Re:Grand Theft Auto? Vintage?
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I wasn't trying to imply that vintage wasn't tied to a year (or season) at all, merely that it's probably more closely tied to the vine (or vineyard) than the year. Vintage is both season and vineyard, even though season (or year) is what comes to peoples' minds first these days.
To put it back into perspective to the video game topic, we can easily call a group of more recent EA games a "Challenge Everything" Vintage. While this isn't tied to a year, it is tied to a timespan and a "vineyard of programmers/designers".
It's obvious that the analogy does break down a bit, and isn't accurate, but the word has been misused for so long that the vernacular has become more accustomed to make a connotation base on time of origin in preference to place of origin.
Otherwise Autralia would be selling wines older than colonisation
This statement reminds me of Jacques Cousteau finding a Greek vintage vase of wine in a sunken shipwreck. I think that it was in the Guiness Book of World Records as the oldest wine ever drunk.
I used to have a small red lcd D&D game, which was basically just a clone of Hunt the Wumpus. It was the first portable wumpus game that I'm aware of.
Re:Grand Theft Auto? Vintage?
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Vintage is also not tied to a year as much as the vine it came from.
Re:Mentioned as "Greatest Adventure Games"
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Centipede was innovative for the track ball, but you didn't see a deluge of track ball games as a result.
This may be because Atari had a patent on the trackball. IIRC, I think it was only Atari games that had them in the arcades back then, i.e. Crystal Castles, Millipede, Atari Football, Missile Command.
I'm not real sure about the patent, but the fact that all the trackball games of the time were Atari games seems to indicate this.
Re:Mentioned as "Greatest Adventure Games"
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Wow.. I haven't thought about Project: Space Station in something like 20 years. If only I could've figured out how to keep my scientists from bickering with each other, I could have been a 9 year old director of the entire space program.
lol:) It really was one of my favorite games at the time.
Might be 'Law of the West' for the gunfighting game. There wasn't a lot to do, but I remember it had a catchy tune.
I think that you're right about that. You do start the game as the new town's sheriff.
Re:Mentioned as "Greatest Adventure Games"
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1987 is about the time I stopped playing with computer games. I held on to my c128 as my primary computer up until 1998. In fact, one of the reasons that I bought my first PC ten years ago was the fact that I had just found out that it would run a c64 emulator.
As a result, I missed out on many of the old DOS games, excepting the ones that I got a chance to play at a friends' houses. In a way that's been good for me, as I can now go back through and play ten years of games that I had missed using dosbox. I have been working on a frontend program to help keep track of the games:
The application is in bad need of being updated, as it's set to work with an older version of dosbox, and they seem to change their configuration in drastic ways from release to release. I may spend some time getting it workable with a newer release of dosbox here shortly, as I feel a slight urge after reading these comments to try out some of the DOS games that I have missed out on.
BTW, I always wanted an Amiga, but could never afford one. I would've liked to see what it was like to use one of those.
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I remember that game, the sequel to miner 2049'er. I only played the first one.
There was a pretty nifty game for the c64 called Wizard, which was a puzzlish platform game. It was one of the first ones that I'm aware of that allowed you to create your own levels. The features of that game, spells obstacles and layout of the platforms, was something I thought to be very revolutionary at the time.
Re:What was this game called?
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Ha ha!! There were so many of those, it's impossible to list them all.
The best, and most popular were the Infocom games, where failure to light a torch, lantern, match, etc. would put you in danger of being eaten by a grue (a theme that spanned the whole lineup, regardless of genre).
Pirated, but it's very hard to get the actual copies of the games these days, and the items that came packaged with the game were essential in completing those games (and also very enjoyable to read).
While the link above may not sit well with you, since it's to a torrent site, the original Zork trilogy has been released as freeware, and you can find them here:
Text based interactive fiction was very popular on the old 8bit computers (one reason was that it was easier to port to the multiple different home computers around at that time) and there are too many different ones to be able to identify the game you played. The Infocom games are possibly the cream of the crop in this area.
Also, interactive fiction is still alive and you can get all sorts of great games here:
Some of these are better than other ones, so be sure to read the ratings and reviews. A few of them match or exceed the quality present in the old Infocom games.
Re:Well the games at the beginning ..
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I think that the Life game involves a deist philosophy, whereas something like Populous depends on divine intervention.
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Not only that, but they seem to have missed the boat on the older computer games as well. I can think of quite a few that should probably be on the list.
Questron - An interesting mixture of interface styles, embedded mini games, and probably the best finale in any game for years to come.
Karateka - A very interesting game with great music and graphics. Between this and the arcade game Kung Fu, we get the Street Fighter games, etc.
Project Space Station - A very good strategy/simulation/management game which had an easy to learn and use interface. Many strategy games of this era were unattractive due to the interface, but this program seems to have set the bar here.
Leaderboard Golf - A lot of my friends were really addicted to this game. It had 3d graphics and a decent physics engine. All of the extra courses and sequels to this game is a testament to it's innovativeness and popularity.
Hacker - A game before it's time. An exciting game where you break into a remote computer and send a robot on an involved spy mission. I'm not really sure how popular this game was, but I thought it was something that hadn't been tried before done well.
Wild Wild West (I'm not too sure about the name) - I think this is one of the first games with dialog and characters, which idea made it's way into future adventure games like Monkey Island. Depending on how you interact with the "npc", you would either satisfy it, scare it, or be drawn into a gunfight.
Elite! - I'm not going to bother to describe this, as I know most of y'all know what this is, and are probably wondering why it's not listed.
Little Computer People - It's possible that there would be no Sims games today if this nice program was never made.
Superbowl Sunday - I think that this was one of the games that influenced the sports team management games that have been seen since. (A lot of the Avalon Hill games and some of the SSI games suffered from difficult interfaces, which is something that I noted about with PSS.)
This is just a few from the top of my head, and I'm only thinking about c64 now, there are quite a few others games on other platforms that dramatically influenced future games.
I remember that my cousin used to say that linux was finicky when it came to hardware. The problem was that the hard drive had a bunch of bad sectors, which showed up on the console, and in syslog. Since Windows never reported any problems, the problem turned from a bad hard drive, to a "finicky OS" in my cousin's mind.
It wasn't until months later when random problems would keep appearing, even after fresh reinstalls, that the hardware was suspected as being the problem.
I'm still listening to that darned episode, but they've only been babbling about ssl certificates and other items in their listeners mailbag.
My point was that the os in bios was an essential component, as the tpm is also. I never tried to say that tpm == trusted computing, rather that it is just a component of it. Hardware virtualization is also an essential component (it's also dual use, and I run virtual machines very frequently). A builtin hypervisor (or rootkit, depending on who's controlling it) is able to restrict access to the tpm, allowing only "trusted entities" to configure it. If you own the machine, but don't have full access and control of the hypervisor, this is bad. If you don't own the machine, and don't have that access and control, this is good.
The Paranoid Conspiracist in me says: "This is an essential step for the trusted computing platform, where a government or corporate owned rootkit could exist on your computer, with little to no ability to be replaced or removed by the owner of the machine."
Perhaps it's time that this approach should be realized, instead of just joked about. This would allow people to to use the mysql api for their applications that require it, while providing a path to start using postgresql in the future.
Which is why the hashes would probably be made from mp3's with the id3 tag completely stripped. Any forensic examiner worth the title would be likely to already understand this.
this doesn't preclude them from including new functions like strlcpy and strlcat
While that's true, including those functions would break the ABI, so they aren't going to be added. Although, it's very possible they will be added at some point in a future release.
I think your question is based on a false assumption that every bit of matter must have an owner.
It was actually a rhetorical question. I didn't really expect an answer. It was based on the assumption that you own your blood, for if you didn't it would be either be shared public property, or free property that was up for grabs to the first person to stake a claim on it.
Human beings are not ownable. My right to control my own body is fundamental.
People are not ownable by others, but they are most certainly self owned. The right to control your body derives from the fact of it being your property.
Land is made property by governments.
Correction, land is recognized as property by governments.
The base case for ownership is government action.
Ownership existed before the government formed to protect it. The base case for ownership is the staking of a claim, and defending that claim. One of the reasons that government exists is to recognize those claims, distinguish between valid and invalid claims, and provide a mechanism where this can be determined, and settle disputes over those claims.
Property is not a fundamental right. It is a tool -- a very useful and important tool -- used to secure and enable fundamental rights. After all, if there's no private property, there are no private choices. But if we take property as primary and forget that it exists to secure our rights, it can be (and is) used in ways that restrict rather than enhance freedom.
Who owns the blood that courses through your veins?
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I wasn't trying to imply that vintage wasn't tied to a year (or season) at all, merely that it's probably more closely tied to the vine (or vineyard) than the year. Vintage is both season and vineyard, even though season (or year) is what comes to peoples' minds first these days.
To put it back into perspective to the video game topic, we can easily call a group of more recent EA games a "Challenge Everything" Vintage. While this isn't tied to a year, it is tied to a timespan and a "vineyard of programmers/designers".
It's obvious that the analogy does break down a bit, and isn't accurate, but the word has been misused for so long that the vernacular has become more accustomed to make a connotation base on time of origin in preference to place of origin.
Otherwise Autralia would be selling wines older than colonisation
This statement reminds me of Jacques Cousteau finding a Greek vintage vase of wine in a sunken shipwreck. I think that it was in the Guiness Book of World Records as the oldest wine ever drunk.
I used to have a small red lcd D&D game, which was basically just a clone of Hunt the Wumpus. It was the first portable wumpus game that I'm aware of.
Vintage is also not tied to a year as much as the vine it came from.
Centipede was innovative for the track ball, but you didn't see a deluge of track ball games as a result.
This may be because Atari had a patent on the trackball. IIRC, I think it was only Atari games that had them in the arcades back then, i.e. Crystal Castles, Millipede, Atari Football, Missile Command.
I'm not real sure about the patent, but the fact that all the trackball games of the time were Atari games seems to indicate this.
Wow.. I haven't thought about Project: Space Station in something like 20 years. If only I could've figured out how to keep my scientists from bickering with each other, I could have been a 9 year old director of the entire space program.
lol :)
It really was one of my favorite games at the time.
Might be 'Law of the West' for the gunfighting game. There wasn't a lot to do, but I remember it had a catchy tune.
I think that you're right about that. You do start the game as the new town's sheriff.
1987 is about the time I stopped playing with computer games. I held on to my c128 as my primary computer up until 1998. In fact, one of the reasons that I bought my first PC ten years ago was the fact that I had just found out that it would run a c64 emulator.
As a result, I missed out on many of the old DOS games, excepting the ones that I got a chance to play at a friends' houses. In a way that's been good for me, as I can now go back through and play ten years of games that I had missed using dosbox. I have been working on a frontend program to help keep track of the games:
http://dosbox-pykde.berlios.de/
The application is in bad need of being updated, as it's set to work with an older version of dosbox, and they seem to change their configuration in drastic ways from release to release. I may spend some time getting it workable with a newer release of dosbox here shortly, as I feel a slight urge after reading these comments to try out some of the DOS games that I have missed out on.
BTW, I always wanted an Amiga, but could never afford one. I would've liked to see what it was like to use one of those.
I remember that game, the sequel to miner 2049'er. I only played the first one.
There was a pretty nifty game for the c64 called Wizard, which was a puzzlish platform game. It was one of the first ones that I'm aware of that allowed you to create your own levels. The features of that game, spells obstacles and layout of the platforms, was something I thought to be very revolutionary at the time.
Ha ha!! There were so many of those, it's impossible to list them all.
The best, and most popular were the Infocom games, where failure to light a torch, lantern, match, etc. would put you in danger of being eaten by a grue (a theme that spanned the whole lineup, regardless of genre).
You can find the Infocom games here:
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/3398113/Infocom_Universe_Bootleg
Pirated, but it's very hard to get the actual copies of the games these days, and the items that came packaged with the game were essential in completing those games (and also very enjoyable to read).
While the link above may not sit well with you, since it's to a torrent site, the original Zork trilogy has been released as freeware, and you can find them here:
http://www.csd.uwo.ca/Infocom/
Text based interactive fiction was very popular on the old 8bit computers (one reason was that it was easier to port to the multiple different home computers around at that time) and there are too many different ones to be able to identify the game you played. The Infocom games are possibly the cream of the crop in this area.
Also, interactive fiction is still alive and you can get all sorts of great games here:
http://ifarchive.org/
Some of these are better than other ones, so be sure to read the ratings and reviews. A few of them match or exceed the quality present in the old Infocom games.
http://www.abandonia.com/en/games/194/Darklands.html
I've never played this one.
I think that the Life game involves a deist philosophy, whereas something like Populous depends on divine intervention.
Not only that, but they seem to have missed the boat on the older computer games as well. I can think of quite a few that should probably be on the list.
Questron - An interesting mixture of interface styles, embedded mini games, and probably the best finale in any game for years to come.
Karateka - A very interesting game with great music and graphics. Between this and the arcade game Kung Fu, we get the Street Fighter games, etc.
Project Space Station - A very good strategy/simulation/management game which had an easy to learn and use interface. Many strategy games of this era were unattractive due to the interface, but this program seems to have set the bar here.
Leaderboard Golf - A lot of my friends were really addicted to this game. It had 3d graphics and a decent physics engine. All of the extra courses and sequels to this game is a testament to it's innovativeness and popularity.
Hacker - A game before it's time. An exciting game where you break into a remote computer and send a robot on an involved spy mission. I'm not really sure how popular this game was, but I thought it was something that hadn't been tried before done well.
Wild Wild West (I'm not too sure about the name) - I think this is one of the first games with dialog and characters, which idea made it's way into future adventure games like Monkey Island. Depending on how you interact with the "npc", you would either satisfy it, scare it, or be drawn into a gunfight.
Elite! - I'm not going to bother to describe this, as I know most of y'all know what this is, and are probably wondering why it's not listed.
Little Computer People - It's possible that there would be no Sims games today if this nice program was never made.
Superbowl Sunday - I think that this was one of the games that influenced the sports team management games that have been seen since. (A lot of the Avalon Hill games and some of the SSI games suffered from difficult interfaces, which is something that I noted about with PSS.)
This is just a few from the top of my head, and I'm only thinking about c64 now, there are quite a few others games on other platforms that dramatically influenced future games.
It looks like his main site is here:
http://rdcpro.com/
I remember that my cousin used to say that linux was finicky when it came to hardware. The problem was that the hard drive had a bunch of bad sectors, which showed up on the console, and in syslog. Since Windows never reported any problems, the problem turned from a bad hard drive, to a "finicky OS" in my cousin's mind.
It wasn't until months later when random problems would keep appearing, even after
fresh reinstalls, that the hardware was suspected as being the problem.
Seymour Cray was killed by a speeding redneck in a trans-am in 1996.
Well, at least it wasn't a speeding redneck in a 'cuda. ;)
Thanks for point that out. :)
I'm still listening to that darned episode, but they've only been babbling about ssl certificates and other items in their listeners mailbag.
My point was that the os in bios was an essential component, as the tpm is also. I never tried to say that tpm == trusted computing, rather that it is just a component of it. Hardware virtualization is also an essential component (it's also dual use, and I run virtual machines very frequently). A builtin hypervisor (or rootkit, depending on who's controlling it) is able to restrict access to the tpm, allowing only "trusted entities" to configure it. If you own the machine, but don't have full access and control of the hypervisor, this is bad. If you don't own the machine, and don't have that access and control, this is good.
The Paranoid Conspiracist in me says: "This is an essential step for the trusted computing platform, where a government or corporate owned rootkit could exist on your computer, with little to no ability to be replaced or removed by the owner of the machine."
There was an april fools joke around here a couple of years ago.
http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/04/01/1448207
Perhaps it's time that this approach should be realized, instead of just joked about. This would allow people to to use the mysql api for their applications that require it, while providing a path to start using postgresql in the future.
Since when?
I always remember the knocking sounds of a 1541 when I look at computer games on a shelf in a store. :)
Never met an ISP that blocks that sort of thing at the wire level.
That's what scares me. Not so much the blocking, but a transparent routing of outgoing port 53 traffic to the ISP's dns server.
Just two days ago, I saw where my ISP's dns wasn't able to resolve a few domains. I switched back to the root servers and haven't had a problem.
Would you really consider an Apple II to be a fashion accessory?
Well, maybe the IIc. I remember watching teachers walking around looking smug while carrying those. ;)
Which is why the hashes would probably be made from mp3's with the id3 tag completely stripped. Any forensic examiner worth the title would be likely to already understand this.
this doesn't preclude them from including new functions like strlcpy and strlcat
While that's true, including those functions would break the ABI, so they aren't going to be added. Although, it's very possible they will be added at some point in a future release.
Look at the bottom of the announcement.
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/05/msg00175.html
I think your question is based on a false assumption that every bit of matter must have an owner.
It was actually a rhetorical question. I didn't really expect an answer. It was based on the assumption that you own your blood, for if you didn't it would be either be shared public property, or free property that was up for grabs to the first person to stake a claim on it.
Human beings are not ownable. My right to control my own body is fundamental.
People are not ownable by others, but they are most certainly self owned.
The right to control your body derives from the fact of it being your property.
Land is made property by governments.
Correction, land is recognized as property by governments.
The base case for ownership is government action.
Ownership existed before the government formed to protect it. The base case for ownership is the staking of a claim, and defending that claim. One of the reasons that government exists is to recognize those claims, distinguish between valid and invalid claims, and provide a mechanism where this can be determined, and settle disputes over those claims.
Property is not a fundamental right. It is a tool -- a very useful and important tool -- used to secure and enable fundamental rights. After all, if there's no private property, there are no private choices. But if we take property as primary and forget that it exists to secure our rights, it can be (and is) used in ways that restrict rather than enhance freedom.
Who owns the blood that courses through your veins?
It's used for initrd images. Debian used to use cramfs, and had kernel patches to handle that, but they've also switched to using cpio for the initrd.