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Remote Kill Flags Surface In Kindle

PL/SQL Guy writes "The Kindle has a number of 'remote kill' flags built in to the hardware that, among other things, allow the text-to-speech function to be disabled at any time on a book-by-book basis. 'Beginning yesterday, Random House Publishers began to disable text-to-speech remotely. The TTS function has apparently been remotely disabled in over 40 works so far.' But what no one at Amazon will discuss is what other flags are lurking in the Kindle format: is there a 'read only once' flag? A 'no turning the pages backwards' flag?"

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  1. First post flag! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    There, I said it. Kindle remotely made me do it!

    1. Re:First post flag! by xp · · Score: 5, Funny

      I am kinda glad they are doing this remotely. I'd be upset if an Amazon SWAT team broke into my house and physically disabled my Kindle.
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    2. Re:First post flag! by commodore64_love · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You think this is funny, but I'm not laughing. Right now, in my mind, amazon is no better than Mr. Soprano.

      I bought a bunch of books to use the "text-to-speech" software while driving to work, and now suddenly that's been disabled, which makes those particular books practically worthless to me. Is Amazon going to issue a refund? No, because just like every other media company, they think it's okay to sell goods without warranty. Hell even the lowly food industry says, "We hope you are satisfied with you're candy bar, but if you're not, return unused portion for refund." Only the iuck-lcikers in the rcord companis, game cmpanies, and book sotress think it;s perfectly acceptable to FORCE customers to keep a product they don't want. No returns.

      If they go out of business, it will be their own stupid fault due to ignoring that age-old rule, "The customer is (almost) always right." Screw your customer by selling them product as "text-to-speech" and then disable that product, and you've effectively screwed yourself. Customers have a long, long memory. They will not come back for further frakking. Even the most rudimentary business class teaches you this.

      /end angry tirade

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    3. Re:First post flag! by NicknamesAreStupid · · Score: 1

      I have a much duller life and would enjoy an Amazon swat team raiding my house to disable my Kindle, particularly if they were Amazons in the Greek mythology sense of the word. Whilst I read of Antianeira in the Iliad, who invaded Libya with their labials and beheaded the king . . . oh, I digress, sorry.

    4. Re:First post flag! by SkyDude · · Score: 1

      It's remotely possible Kindle will never be in my house.

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    5. Re:First post flag! by visigoth · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Unfortunately they won't go out of business over stuff like this. Most consumers don't care about consequences of their purchasing choices, the reasons for which are numerous -- too dumb, busy, or simply apathetic. "The customer is (almost) always right" only applies if the available customer pool is small enough for that to matter; once a market grows beyond a certain size, companies only have to make X % of their customers happy, and marginalize or ignore the rest.

      I'd love for things to be different, for for a completely DRM-free eBook to be available, but I'm also too cynical to believe this could ever happen.

    6. Re:First post flag! by pwfffff · · Score: 1

      "Hippocrates describes them as: 'They have no right breasts...for while they are yet babies their mothers make red-hot a bronze instrument constructed for this very purpose and apply it to the right breast and cauterize it, so that its growth is arrested, and all its strength and bulk are diverted to the right shoulder and right arm.'"

      But yeah, the Amazons in 'Hercules: The Legendary Adventures' were pretty hot.

    7. Re:First post flag! by Machtyn · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I would think that selling Feature A, then disabling said feature is a basis for a Class Action lawsuit.

    8. Re:First post flag! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Out of curiosity, did you actually ask them for a refund, or are you just assuming they won't give you a refund?

    9. Re:First post flag! by nanospook · · Score: 1

      I thought it was so the bow string wouldn't wack their boobie?

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    10. Re:First post flag! by Dadoo · · Score: 2, Informative

      You think this is funny, but I'm not laughing.

      Neither am I. I have friends who are visually impaired, and this will make it impossible for them to use the Kindle, at all.

      If anyone's interested, there's a petition you can sign, which will hopefully convince Amazon to change their minds at http://www.readingrights.org/.

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    11. Re:First post flag! by SBrach · · Score: 1

      Just have them turn on the "EnableBraille" flag.

    12. Re:First post flag! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Logically, that means it is more than likely you will get one.

    13. Re:First post flag! by Paracelcus · · Score: 1

      "make red-hot a bronze instrument constructed for this very purpose and apply it to the right breast and cauterize it"

      OUCH!

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    14. Re:First post flag! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The customer is ALWAYS right.

      If the Customer were wrong, they would no longer be your customer.

    15. Re:First post flag! by someone1234 · · Score: 1

      It wouldn't do much difference if it had a remote explode flag.

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    16. Re:First post flag! by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      Hell even the lowly food industry says, "We hope you are satisfied with you're candy bar, but if you're not, return unused portion for refund."

      I prefer this formulation: "If you are dissatisfied with your life, return unused portion for partial refund."

      I'm especially proud of the conundrum implied within.

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    17. Re:First post flag! by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      It's not Amazon you need to convince, it's the publisher of the book who made Amazon turn off the feature for that title.

      Especially if the publisher doesn't offer you a way to pay a surcharge to turn it back on. If you are visually impaired or have a visually impaired dependent, you should be able to force them to turn it back on for free on a case-by-case basis under the Americans with Disabilities Act. (It would be pushing it to have them provide it for free when your relationship is just "friends".)

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    18. Re:First post flag! by JadeNB · · Score: 1

      Only the iuck-lcikers in the rcord companis, game cmpanies, and book sotress think it;s perfectly acceptable to FORCE customers to keep a product they don't want.

      What in the world does this mean? It looks like lots of vowels were sacrificed, but I just can't make any sense out of 'iuck-lcikers' (except assuming that it's something-lickers).

    19. Re:First post flag! by Jason1729 · · Score: 1

      Customers have a long, long memory.

      Since when? How many people even here think about the Sony Rootkit when buying their new electronics? EA software since the Spore DRM?

      Customer memory lasts about half as long as it takes to roll out the next version or product.

    20. Re:First post flag! by zmollusc · · Score: 1

      Maybe just me. When i see the sony label on something, I instantly think 'Evil! Eeeevilll!'.

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    21. Re:First post flag! by umeboshi · · Score: 1

      Since when?

      I always remember the knocking sounds of a 1541 when I look at computer games on a shelf in a store. :)

    22. Re:First post flag! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, there goes that one, I guess I'll never buy a Kindle.

    23. Re:First post flag! by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Amazon put in the capability, but it was random house what pulled the trigger.

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    24. Re:First post flag! by acheron12 · · Score: 1

      Meanwhile, Kurzweil and co. have been working on cellphone software that allows blind people to photograph text and have it read aloud to them.

      Will that also be disabled? Or will the users just be sued?

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    25. Re:First post flag! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's not forget that when they do go out of business, the product you purchased will no longer work since the DRM and activation servers are offline and can no longer confirm you are allowed to use the product.

    26. Re:First post flag! by mysidia · · Score: 1

      Yeah, this is not a simple warranty issue.

      This is a "you sold it as a product that can do X", then "you changed the product after you sold it".

      I think the FTC should be busting Amazon's candy arse on this one.

    27. Re:First post flag! by Scarletdown · · Score: 1

      Maybe just me. When i see the sony label on something, I instantly think 'Evil! Eeeevilll!'.

      You are not the only one. Sony is high on my No Buy List.

      Other outfits on that list include: EA, Microsoft, Amazon, Wal-Mart, McDonalds, Apple (that's been on my list the longest since they abandoned their Apple IIGS users with no viable upgrade path that made use of the computer hardware we paid handsomely for back in the day), RIAA members, and others I may recall later.

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    28. Re:First post flag! by xp · · Score: 1

      Good idea.
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    29. Re:First post flag! by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      >>>companies only have to make X % of their customers happy, and marginalize or ignore the rest.

      Businesses with that philosophy (Hills, Wards, Circuit City) no longer exist. You don't have to make everyone happy to survive, but disabling a product only a few months after it was purchased is going to piss-off a LOT of your customers, and your income will dry up.

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    30. Re:First post flag! by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      >>>they abandoned their Apple IIGS users with no viable upgrade path

      And how is this different from every other 6502/65816-based computer company? Atari didn't provide an upgrade path for 400/800 users. Neither did Commodore for VIC-20, 64, or 128 users. Or Nintendo with their NES and SNES cartridges. That's life. Old technologies fade away and get replaced with new technologies.

      Do you also boycott Philips (makers of obsolete compact cassettes) or JVC (VHS) who failed to provide an upgrade path to their customers? If you don't then you're being inconsistent with your view, and unfair to pick on Apple alone. You should either (a) boycott all the companies I listed or (b) develop a more realistic outlook.

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    31. Re:First post flag! by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      No more painful than our stupid tradition of cutting-off part of a male baby's dick. One could make the argument, as we do with circumcision, that the Amazon warrior does not remember the pain since she was only a few days old.

      Both procedures are still barbarism in my humble opinion.

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    32. Re:First post flag! by Jason1729 · · Score: 1

      You never controlled the knocking to make music?

  2. They asked for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well, that's what you get for buying content instead of just copying it from pirate bay or whatever. Maybe it's time for us to finally learn our lesson?

    1. Re:They asked for it by Jurily · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, that's what you get for buying content instead of just copying it from pirate bay or whatever.

      True. Except when that option can get you in more serious trouble than a copyright suit, e.g. losing your job.

    2. Re:They asked for it by paazin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      True. Except when that option can get you in more serious trouble than a copyright suit, e.g. losing your job.

      I fail to see how getting busted on copyright infringement will somehow cause you to lose your job - it's not a felony, so as I understand it, it'd have no bearing with your employer.

    3. Re:They asked for it by CyberLord+Seven · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Sure you break copyright law when you download. The problem is people break laws all the time when laws don't work.

      I don't smoke marijuana; however, I know plenty of people who do. This situation has existed since before I was born. People, and politicians (they don't count as people), have discussed making marijuana legal. It may never happen in my lifetime. That does not stop people from recognizing bad law.

      Copyright is there to protect the artist. I see little artistic protection in copyright law. I see corporate protection. I don't think I am the only one who sees this, hence all the downloads.

      People will NOT obey an unjust law. When corporations declare that they sold you a license instead of a product and start turning off access to what the customer paid for...well, you reap what you sow. There are not enough lawyers out there to sue everyone who downloads. Ask the RIAA if you don't believe me.

      Besides, downloaded stuff just works better. I hate to tell all those coke-sniffing, mistress pampering executives at all those corporations that their business model sucks donkey-dick, but I have to. Downloads don't pester people with advertisements. They start up immediately. They play the entire content. You can change direction when you want. You can shift the content to other media. Shit! What's not to like? Except that we do cheat the artist. That cannot be denied. We must find a way to support the arts, and dump the middle-man. That middle-man is getting in the way of culture.

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    4. Re:They asked for it by Jurily · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I fail to see how getting busted on copyright infringement will somehow cause you to lose your job

      Two words: company policy.

    5. Re:They asked for it by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I mailed a cheque to the Merkin Vinyard in Arizona for the 10,000 Days album I downloaded.

      It was never cashed, but I feel good about it anyway.

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    6. Re:They asked for it by TikiTDO · · Score: 1

      Would have to be a rather interesting company. Certainly not one I have ever worked with.

    7. Re:They asked for it by cml4524 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're comparing people who are demanding a proscribed product that they purchase and consume outside the law with people who just don't like how much the product costs or how its distributed. The government denying you access to a good or service you demand is not the same thing as a private company offering a good or service in a way or at a price you don't like.

      Furthermore, you have a legitimate means to air your grievances: don't buy. Not only do you send the clear message that you are unhappy with the product or service, you maintain the legal AND moral high ground in the debate.

      Your post is labeled insightful. It is not.

    8. Re:They asked for it by Tikkun · · Score: 1

      It's time that we lobby our various governments to pass the "Public Library Enhancement Amendment for Spreading information via Everyone".

      It's pretty simple. If you have information (books, stories, music, video, etc.) you're encouraged to spread it to everyone. Doing so is considered the polite thing to do, and you should be shielded from lawsuit if you're simply sharing the information.

    9. Re:They asked for it by Moryath · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No shit.

      I have not bought a Kindle. This nutter thinks that newspapers could "save" by distributing over Kindle instead of on paper.

      Guy down later in the forum has it exactly right. You can't put a Kindle in your waiting room. If your "copy" of the paper is on a Kindle, you can't read the sports page while someone else has the world section or the comics. You can't hand "your copy" of the paper to someone else, or leave it behind once you're done with it if it's on a Kindle (something I do regularly - hey, I don't know the next person coming by, but I imagine they might want to read something too).

      Hell, if it's on a Kindle, we lose yesterday's newspaper - so how will we wrap today's fish?

      In all seriousness, that's the problem with DRM. It's never about "protecting copyright." It's always about some more nefarious purpose, like destroying the doctrine of first sale. Remember how $ony patented a method to have video games "signed" by the first console they were put in, and subsequently refuse to run on any other console? That was just one of them.

    10. Re:They asked for it by brkello · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Oh, give me a break. It has little to do with working better and more to do with people not having to pay for stuff and little chance of getting caught or punished. Copyright laws may be flawed, but they are not completely unjust. The people who use things without paying their fair share are the unjust ones...not rebels against an unfair law.

      And I find it a bit ironic you trust pirates of all people to deliver you a product free of root kits and trojans.

      I don't totally disagree with you, though. We do give the middle man too much and the artist too little. But pirating gives the artist less.

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    11. Re:They asked for it by larry+bagina · · Score: 1

      It can if you're a retard and are downloading shit at work.

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    12. Re:They asked for it by man_of_mr_e · · Score: 1

      Actually, it can be a felony. And not just for selling illegitimate copies, but there is a threshold where if you have $X of material, it's a felony. Typically, your average 8 year old will have more material than the threshold, so for most people it is in fact a felony if you do it at all.

    13. Re:They asked for it by Mprx · · Score: 5, Informative

      Copyright is NOT there to protect the artist. Copyright is there to benefit the public by encouraging creation of new works.

    14. Re:They asked for it by artemis67 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Kindle in a doctor's waiting room?

      Gah! I wouldn't touch that thing, knowing that every germy hand had picked it up and played around with it.

    15. Re:They asked for it by D+Ninja · · Score: 4, Informative

      It might not have been cashed because he (she?/they?) may have a clause in his contract saying he cannot accept money directly for his music.

      Yeah...really...

    16. Re:They asked for it by inasity_rules · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Hmmm. Could that mean if they cash it they can't sue you, but if they don't cash it they have the option to sue you?

      IANAL, but that sounds sinister to me...

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    17. Re:They asked for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      you do not violate copyright by merely downloading something. in the vast majority of cases, someone can only bring a civil action against you, not a criminal one, if you 'misuse' a copyrighted product.

      currently, in a civil action you are protected by the privacy of your own home and communications, not to mention privity of contract/license.

      in most common law jurisdictions you may infringe copyright by *copying* or *distributing* a copyrighted work without permission - usually in the form of a license.

      if you distribute for money, then there is criminal legislation dealing with counterfieting, fraud and actual piracy.

      in most jurisdictions, the mere downloading of copyrighted material for 'personal use' (ie: not 'for the purpose of supply'/'in the course of a business'), prior to the ease of digital copying/distributions, was utterly legal provided you did not alter it (ie: think book cover and content), creating a derrived copyright (a forbidden act under copyright law) in the process.

      how this applies to modern digital copies is a question for the courts as a philsophical argument on theft and loss. (ie: no contract. no agreement. is there a physical loss? since most losses are purely economic it is unlikely that there are any actions in tort, which forbids actions of pure economic loss)

      http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1988/ukpga_19880048_en_5#pt1-ch6-pb5-l1g107 - s.107 really does clarify what is a crime and what is not.

    18. Re:They asked for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Copyright is there to protect the artist.

      No, it's not. Copyright was made to promote the creation of new works for the ultimate benefit of the public by granting a time-limited monopoly to the author. That's why all works should ultimately end up in the public domain.

    19. Re:They asked for it by loutr · · Score: 1

      It was never cashed, but I feel good about it anyway.

      For the next album you should consider ordering some bottles of wine from him instead. Or go seem him in concert and buy an overpriced T-shirt :)

    20. Re:They asked for it by MikeFM · · Score: 1

      I agree. Even movies I've legally purchased I rip just to get rid of all the crap. I hate when it takes half an hour from inserting the disc before I can play the movie - especially when it is a little dirty and needs wiped off and then you have to start the process over.

      I don't have a problem with Amazon allowing retarded publishers to make bad choices but they better be marking the content as damaged before I buy it so I can make a choice. If not, I'd be open to a lawsuit to force the issue.

      I've never bought a CD at WalMart because they censor content without labeling. Since I can't tell if a product is damaged I just don't buy it.

      I often will just download the content rather than buying it just to avoid any random stupidity that comes with the legit content. If I like the content I'll do something to try to put money into the artists pocket such as buying a legit version, that may never get opened, making an online donation, buying a sponsored product, etc.

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    21. Re:They asked for it by Jurily · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And I find it a bit ironic you trust pirates of all people to deliver you a product free of root kits and trojans.

      Like Securom or Sony's crap? Yeah, I trust the pirates more than the original.

      If you're really worried, look at the feedback for the torrent. Or look for names of groups who pride themselves on the quality of their cracks. There's an entire subculture based on that.

      And if the whole release is a .avi, there's not much to talk about anyway.

    22. Re:They asked for it by clifyt · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "may have a clause in his contract saying he cannot accept money directly for his music."

      Or maybe because he has some integrity?

      I know when I was a performing musician, we could buy extremely discounted albums from our label, but it was considered by most to be slimy to go to the local duplicator and get a thousand or two printed up for your tour. Yet, some thought they could be a little cheaper by doing so.

      It also means that everyone that worked on the album and were not paid outright get screwed...often times, if you only pay the artist, folks like the songwriters and the producer and even the little guys that did something for substandard pay because they believed the work was good and would eventually get paid for it -- those folks get nothing when you send them the money directly.

      Honestly, this would be like stealing a Mac and sending Steve Jobs a check for the price of the machine...he is the one with his name out front, but it takes a LOT of work to bring something to market and with rare exceptions, it is not a one man show.

    23. Re:They asked for it by eiMichael · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Oh, give me a break. It has little to do with working better and more to do with people not having to pay for stuff and little chance of getting caught or punished.

      In terms of being locked into something like the Kindle, I sure as hell would not pay money for something where the terms of my purchases can be changed after they take my money.

      And I find it a bit ironic you trust pirates of all people to deliver you a product free of root kits and trojans.

      The people who copy content aren't the ones who add that crap, it's just another attack vector for malware authors to use. i.e. They find out what a popular download is, then create malware to masquerade as that download.

    24. Re:They asked for it by Dog-Cow · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If I choose to obtain a digital copy of a work I would never pay for, I am not actually depriving the creator of anything. It doesn't matter why I would choose not to pay. It might be because I am cheap, poor or lazy. It might be because I find something about the creator or publisher to be morally objectionable (like say, abuse of copyright). As such, I find no moral objection to obtaining an illegal copy, often made illegal through a law I find morally objectionable.

    25. Re:They asked for it by WillDraven · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hell, if it's on a Kindle, we lose yesterday's newspaper - so how will we wrap today's fish?

      Phone books? I can't seem to find any other use for them other than kindling for my fireplace, and yet I continue to receive about 6 or 7 of them a year.

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    26. Re:They asked for it by Myrimos · · Score: 1

      Obligatory (but not irrelevant) xkcd:

      http://xkcd.com/488/

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    27. Re:They asked for it by commodore64_love · · Score: 0

      Yeah if you like an album, it's better to buy the legal copy, because then *everybody* gets paid not just the singer who got your check.

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    28. Re:They asked for it by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1

      It is more common than you think. Most companies want to CYA, and that is how they do it. I work at a University and having any copyrighted materials that you do not have permission to have on your computer (or any other electronic device owned by the University) you could be terminated and/or prosecuted. Granted, that is not the first action that they would take, but if you are a repeat offender it is a possibility.

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    29. Re:They asked for it by calmofthestorm · · Score: 1

      Don't pirate at work. Problem solved.

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    30. Re:They asked for it by Danse · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Oh, give me a break. It has little to do with working better and more to do with people not having to pay for stuff and little chance of getting caught or punished. Copyright laws may be flawed, but they are not completely unjust. The people who use things without paying their fair share are the unjust ones...not rebels against an unfair law.

      It has a lot to do with both working better and being free. Copyright law is horribly flawed, to the point of being nearly completely unjust. I can't say that they're better than piracy at this point. It's just different people getting fucked in each scenario, either the public or the industry, but it's the industry that has brought us to where we're at through their constant lobbying for more and more monopoly powers over copyrighted works and durations that last generations. It's disgustingly corrupt and I think that's why people don't really respect copyright anymore.

      And I find it a bit ironic you trust pirates of all people to deliver you a product free of root kits and trojans.

      It's certainly not trust. Don't trust anything you download unless you verify that it's clean. There are some distributors that have earned a level of trust because they have consistently only distributed clean copies, but by and large you shouldn't trust anything you download. The fact that people will take the risk is simply due to the fact that the industry has ensured that they can screw us over with impunity.

      I don't totally disagree with you, though. We do give the middle man too much and the artist too little. But pirating gives the artist less.

      The artists have become collateral damage in a struggle between the middle men and the public. The middle men try to grab more and more power and control from the public and give the artists as little as possible. I think that they need to be killed off and copyright law reformed if artists are ever to get a fair shake and if the public is ever to start respecting copyright again.

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    31. Re:They asked for it by FishWithAHammer · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      It has nothing to do with depriving the creator of anything. It has to do with the creator's rights to have his creations distributed on his terms.

      But, naturally, the rights of a creator don't factor into it for reprobates like you. It's all just take-take-take, just because you can.

      Eat a bullet.

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    32. Re:They asked for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One word: fascism.

    33. Re:They asked for it by calmofthestorm · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Except the artist, unless they happened to make anywhere near the "advertising fees" extortion.

      Bands make money from concerts* and merchandise, not albums. Exceptions are indie and wildly wildly successful mainstream bands that make enough to pay back the fees and/or are popular enough to negotiate a fair contract.

      * Often the things they sell there as well as the tickets, many times they keep a greater deal of profit sold at concerts.

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    34. Re:They asked for it by jandrese · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You realize that you lose half of the audience every time you write "M$" or "$ony" in a post right?

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    35. Re:They asked for it by calmofthestorm · · Score: 1

      And I find it a bit ironic you trust pirates of all people to deliver you a product free of root kits and trojans.

      Me too. Especially that it's a far safer choice than the legal deal.

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    36. Re:They asked for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We must find a way to support the arts, and dump the middle-man. That middle-man is getting in the way of culture.

      There is already a way to do this. Its called the internet. The middle man is fighting it kicking and screaming but one day he will become irrelevant.

    37. Re:They asked for it by RicardoGCE · · Score: 1

      And when the public don't uphold their end of the bargain (respecting the time-limited monopoly the author receives), why should they expect artists to uphold theirs? Hence, crippling DRM, and misguided-and-nigh-impossible-to-enforce laws that will nonetheless cause massive headaches to all involved.

      Of course, "pirates" could turn it all around and help build a truly Free culture by contributing some new works of their own, but... Nah, it's easier to spend time on a really wankerific ASCII masterpiece to announce your latest release.

    38. Re:They asked for it by noidentity · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Copyright is NOT there to protect the artist. Copyright is there to benefit the public by encouraging creation of new works.

      Thank you! Specifically, it's not there to protect the artist's source of income, or guarantee the artist any income, for that matter.

    39. Re:They asked for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And also, it's costs way to much to line you bird cage with kindles that have old newspapers on them.

    40. Re:They asked for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um, I'm pretty sure pirating music actually helps artist sales. Look at Trent Reznor from NIN. He encourages the free downloads of his music, provides his music in multiple quality formats and does this by using bittorrent. I was twittering with Rob Thomas the other day and he told a guy he didn't care if he downloaded his music for free; all Rob asked was that if you like the music, go to the concert and sing along!

    41. Re:They asked for it by jra · · Score: 3, Informative

      And more to the point: if I purchase a *used book*, none of the parties involved get any (more) money -- they got paid the first time.

      But they'd certainly *like* to stomp out that "revenue leak", and eviscerate the First Sale Doctrine, as noted above...

    42. Re:They asked for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And I find it a bit ironic you trust pirates of all people to deliver you a product free of root kits and trojans.

      Posting as AC for obvious reasons.

      Back when I was a part of "the scene", running multiple OCx glftpd sites, root kits and viruses were not even on my list of worries. In fact the idea that any warez would be infected was laughable. The software that came from the release groups had just been scrubbed clean of all it's DRM and in the process been looked at more throughly than any automated virus checker would.

      The viruses are always added on by some middle man for whatever reason. Mostly people looking to direct you to pron sites, those shady AV remover sites, or whatever.

    43. Re:They asked for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      "Reprobates like you" then you tell him to eat a bullet?

      You need serious psychological help.

    44. Re:They asked for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      [citation needed]

    45. Re:They asked for it by Chih · · Score: 1

      By the time Tool puts out another album, we won't be wearing tshirts anymore, and his winery will be oceanfront property.

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    46. Re:They asked for it by FishWithAHammer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I need less people thinking they can freeload off creative works because they rationalize that they "never would have paid for it."

      If you won't pay for it, don't take it. It's not rocket science.

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    47. Re:They asked for it by jandrese · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Nobody is "offended", rather they look at the post and see a 35 year old with a neckbeard in his mother's basement railing against the machine.

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    48. Re:They asked for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not being a registered user I have no mod points (and the parent is at 5 already), but I appreciate this comment.

    49. Re:They asked for it by Chih · · Score: 1

      I wish I had mod points right about now, you sir deserve one.

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    50. Re:They asked for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You still need psychological help if you can't see that telling them that, then telling them to eat a bullet isn't....off your fucking rocker crazy.

    51. Re:They asked for it by beschra · · Score: 1, Funny

      Steve Jobs name is Apple?

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    52. Re:They asked for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It has to do with the creator's rights to have his creations distributed on his terms.

      They get one shot at that, after I buy something I might resell that same item or put it through a shredder, my choice.

    53. Re:They asked for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've got that backwards, dude. The monopoly isn't "time-limited" if it is extended every few years. The expected public backlash is to ignore the law.

      But, have it your own way. It seems to me that the "pirates" are still busily copying music and film, despite the efforts of the entertainment industry, the legal system, or the appeals to morality of those few incorruptible folks such as yourself. Ha ha ha.

    54. Re:They asked for it by Pinckney · · Score: 1

      Well then don't use their computers for piracy. Use your own.

    55. Re:They asked for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Ta da!
       
      There it is, that's the central reason you thieves should stop downloading music and other content illegally. If enough of you keep at it long enough, there won't be much good content out there. Just lots of mediocre, pandering crap.
       
      Good lord, the perception of anonymity over the web turns people into amoral me-machines.

    56. Re:They asked for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Three more words:

      Employment at will

    57. Re:They asked for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But you can't even tell if I place it to the very end of my comment$

    58. Re:They asked for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You lost me a "M$".

    59. Re:They asked for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Copyright is there to protect the artist.

      Wrong. Copyright is there to protect society by increasing the liklihood of an artist creating more works. Without creativity, a civilisation becomes stagnant, and so to avoid that copyright was born.

    60. Re:They asked for it by Chris+Burke · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It has nothing to do with depriving the creator of anything. It has to do with the creator's rights to have his creations distributed on his terms.

      It's not a "natural" right in any way shape or form, it is inherently an unnatural right. You're not depriving the creator of any liberty, you're only going around the purely legal bargain between the people, and content creators, to give them this unnatural "right" with the hopes that in the end it will benefit us more than if we didn't relinquish our own natural right to do whatever we wish with our own possessions.

      Since the whole concept behind this bargain is that the copyright will help the creator make money and thus be incentivized to create, but in the case in question the person is most definitely not depriving the creator of any money, where exactly is this moral issue that you're so upset over?

      Is it simply that this is the law, and breaking the law is amoral? I certainly don't agree to that, but I will as always agree to have you be the first one subject to the world you wish for, and encourage you to eat a bullet the next time you break any law at all. Since you've certainly already done so willfully, I expect no further posts from you.

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    61. Re:They asked for it by Sir_Lewk · · Score: 1

      If that is the best argument against what he said then I think he's probably onto something anyways.

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    62. Re:They asked for it by vslashg · · Score: 1

      Only idiots are offended. Why should we care?

      If you're only interested in preaching to the converted, then you shouldn't. If you're trying to persuade people without strong opinions on the matter, mocking the companies involved and calling those who disagree "idiots" is probably not the best strategy.

    63. Re:They asked for it by Gizzmonic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Welcome to the Internet, where frivolous discussions about anything elevate to the point of wishing death upon someone who has a different opinion than you. You obviously haven't been desensitized.

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    64. Re:They asked for it by Spatial · · Score: 1

      It's not a matter of them deserving it or not.

      It makes you look petty. Childish. By extension this implies you're overreacting, exaggerating or both. This undermines your case, a situation compounded by the fact that the majority of their naughtiness isn't common knowledge. As a result you will be greeted with some skepticism, and because of the perception of childishness they will be inclined to dismiss you as a crank.

      You should care because these 'idiots' are the ones you're trying to convince. How will they get the abuse they allegedly deserve if nobody takes the allegations seriously? There's no point in preaching to the choir about it, and even then it's long since become tiresome.

      Naturally it's illogical to disregard your point due to any of this, but most people aren't smart enough to see beyond their initial impression. You have to take that into account.

    65. Re:They asked for it by MindStalker · · Score: 1

      Exactly as the other replier stated. Copyrights were originally fairly short terms, as time progressed copyright got extended and extended, not as a counter to pirates, but by lobbyist of Disney and others who were threatened by derivative works from their creation. I know pirates would still exist anyways but I don't think they would have such broad based support if the publishers hadn't been legal thieves all along.

    66. Re:They asked for it by Akir · · Score: 1

      That's strange.... Then why do record/movie/stock photography studios get payed the ridiculous amounts of money, when there's infinitely better choices of places to put it, like a charity, or more appropriately, a creative institution, instead of a creativity-zapping money-making machine?

    67. Re:They asked for it by codehoser · · Score: 1

      How can you be sure you'd never pay for it, now that you know you can get it for free?

      If you decided to not break the rules, you'd be asking yourself "Is this thing worth $10?". If it was the _only_ way to get it, then you'd be making an honest assessment of that.

      Now you're asking yourself "Should I pay $10 or $0?". Have you really convinced yourself that the fact you can get it for free hasn't skewed your sense of what it's worth?

      Maybe you can convince yourself that this particular thing is only worth $1. Shouldn't you refrain from downloading it for free until you've paid someone that dollar? Or is it the case that you've convinced yourself that everything you want to get for free by breaking the rules is actually worthless?

    68. Re:They asked for it by steelcaress · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You still need psychological help if you can't see that telling them that, then telling them to eat a bullet isn't....off your fucking rocker crazy.

      More redneck than anything else, I'd say. The United States was built on people objecting to laws on moral grounds, and flagrantly violating them. Generally the laws that originally governed this country when it was a colony were wholly unfair. They are unfair again, and I see little benefit to bowing to the whims of the filthy rich.

    69. Re:They asked for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      your realize youre an idiot right, M$ fanboy ?

    70. Re:They asked for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Overreact much?

      If he was never going to pay for it anyway, why do you care if he gets to enjoy it?

      That's what I never understood about you RIAA/MPAA shills.

    71. Re:They asked for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I guess then we'll have to fallback to "Son¥" right ?

    72. Re:They asked for it by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 1

      You are talking about the proper, Constitutional incarnation of Copyright however, not the current version of Copyright that we see in our laws.

      Current law pretty much make Copyright a body of laws that favor the rights of corporations over individuals (like most of our laws right now) and it has little to do with the idea our Constitutional framers had in mind.

      Problem is, most people don't do enough reading to realize that fact.

    73. Re:They asked for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're not going to pay for it, you taking it or not taking it benefits you and hurts nobody else.

    74. Re:They asked for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a megadollar?

    75. Re:They asked for it by RicardoGCE · · Score: 1

      I don't argue that current copyright law grants much longer terms than were originally intended. I also believe this is something that must be corrected, in addition to "fair use" terms and the treatment of orphaned or out-of-print works.

      But none of those situations stand up as justification for the average case of copyright infringement: Zero-day releases, screener rips, and current album uploads. They're not "correcting the outrageous abuse of the system that keeps 'Steamboat Willie' still under copyright omfgbfffs!!!11!!!", they're just watching film workprints before the author has even released them. And that's bullshit. They don't want Free culture, they want free shit.

    76. Re:They asked for it by JasterBobaMereel · · Score: 4, Informative

      Session musicians - already paid
      Studio Engineers - already paid
      Studio rental - already paid
      Production costs - already paid
      Cover artist - already paid
      Distribution costs - already paid

      The only people who get paid copyright fees are the production company and the artist, I personally do not care about the production company (and if the music is more than a year old, they will have already been paid in full, or are incompetent) and if pay the artist anything even 1 cent it would be more than will ever see by me buying the music legitimately

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    77. Re:They asked for it by pRtkL+xLr8r · · Score: 1

      People will NOT obey an unjust law. When corporations declare that they sold you a license instead of a product and start turning off access to what the customer paid for...well, you reap what you sow. There are not enough lawyers out there to sue everyone who downloads. Ask the RIAA if you don't believe me.

      Ask anyone who lived during the Prohibition era as well...

    78. Re:They asked for it by RicardoGCE · · Score: 1

      But, have it your own way. It seems to me that the "pirates" are still busily copying music and film, despite the efforts of the entertainment industry, the legal system, or the appeals to morality of those few incorruptible folks such as yourself. Ha ha ha.

      Notwithstanding the fact that I'm far from incorruptible, what is so laughable about the idea of "appeals to morality"?

    79. Re:They asked for it by Omestes · · Score: 1

      But the packaging for that album is awesome. Actually most of their packaging is worth the purchase. They are one of the few bands that compel me to actually buy a physical version of music. The rest is all iTunes/Amazon, packaging is generally not worth the extra $5-10.

      I like Trent Reznor's approach of adding a PDF of the album art. I think a very small minority of bands on iTunes do it as well.

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    80. Re:They asked for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hahaha. what year did you regsiter on the something awful dot com forums dude

    81. Re:They asked for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Oh, give me a break. It has little to do with working better and more to do with people not having to pay for stuff and little chance of getting caught or punished.

      Maybe for some people, but not for me. I don't pirate music because I can get a non-DRM-encumbered CD that I can rip to mp3 (although I was severely tempted to start pirating when the record labels were experimenting with putting DRM on CD's). I don't pirate movies because I can rent all I want from Netflix so I have no incentive. In both these cases, the publishers have given me what I want. But I do pirate books.

      Why? Because the few publishers that offer ebooks for sale do so with outrageous terms. They usually make me pay more for the ebook than the physical copy, or use non-standard formats that won't work on every computer, or restrict them to one device. What's the point of an ebook if I can't carry it around with me and read it on whatever computer I happen to be sitting at?

      If they would offer their books in HTML (zipped if they need to include pictures or external stylesheets) at a reasonable price, I'd be all over it.

      And yes, I do sometimes buy from Baen and others that give me what I want. I won't, however, buy from the online libraries that restrict the book to one device or use non-open formats that only work with special readers.

      The publishers don't get to decide whether I get what I want. They can only decide whether they profit from it. I want to give them my money, but if they don't want to take it, I don't feel bad about getting what I want anyway.

      So what do I want? I want to be able to read my books on whatever computer I happen to be sitting at, without installing special software. I want to have multiple backups so that I don't lose my library if I drop my Kindle in a mud puddle or my hard drive crashes. I want to carry my entire library on a flash drive so that I don't have to decide ahead of time which book I want to read.

      So I convert all of my ebooks to HTML, which is the only universal standard for text that includes markup and pictures. From there I can convert it to PDF or other formats to work on the ebook reader du jour if I have to, but if I can't first convert it into HTML using scripts and only minimal manual work, I will not purchase it.

      And I find it a bit ironic you trust pirates of all people to deliver you a product free of root kits and trojans.

      Your point about rootkits and trojans is valid when you're talking about software, because it's executable.

      But we're talking about text here. In order to put a trojan in a text file, you're going to have to wrap it in something else. In other words, anything that gives you the ability to add DRM also gives you the ability to add a trojan.

      So yes, I would trust the pirate more than the "legitimate" distributor.

      The same goes for music and movies that are distributed in standard formats (mp3, divx, etc) because they're not executable.

      Sorry about the rant. I just had to get it off my chest.

      Posted anonymously because I just confessed to copyright infringement.

    82. Re:They asked for it by DriveDog · · Score: 1

      Hmmmm... it would be easy to blast a Kindle with germicide or UV, but not practical for paper magazines and such due to the time required to turn the pages. Now we just need to choose germicides and UV spectra and Kindle materials for compatibility.

    83. Re:They asked for it by Omestes · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think he's smoking the Constitution.

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    84. Re:They asked for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about moral relativism?
       
      I'm pretty easily convinced that murder is wrong -- most people would probably agree.

      The immorality of violating copyright is endlessly debatable. It is not obviously wrong at all.

    85. Re:They asked for it by Omestes · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Copyright only exists to encourage content creators to create more work, not to guarantee them money for the rest of their lives (and that of their children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren, etc...). When Disney decided that copyrights should be perpetual and bought a bunch of politicians to make it so, THEY didn't uphold their part of the bargain (as stated in the Constitution).

      Meaning, I have no moral qualms pirating anything where the creator wouldn't receive any benefit from my purchasing it. Pirating Louis Armstrong songs is not morally or ethically wrong, for example, since purchasing it isn't encouraging his zombie to produce further work. The same goes for a stunning amount of music where the band receives very little to no benefit from album sales. For example, if you go buy a Beatles CD, no one from the band receives a cent, so why is pirating it wrong?

      Copyright does not exist to guarantee a revenue stream for giant faceless corporations.

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    86. Re:They asked for it by JasterBobaMereel · · Score: 1

      .mp3 - cannot contain virus/rootkit when used as a datafile .avi - cannot contain virus/rootkit when used as a datafile .txt - cannot contain virus/rootkit when used as a datafile ...
      Whereas Kindle/iPod/iPhone/Sony products/Windows products are well know to contain many restrictive and invasive countermeasures to stop me using the content in legitimate ways that I paid for ...

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    87. Re:They asked for it by RicardoGCE · · Score: 1

      Well, that was fruitful debate. "I can do it, and there's no peer pressure to stop me, so nyah".

      And then we're back to using the law to enforce the rights granted to authors of creative works. "Don't want to meet me halfway? Fine, here's the DMCA".

      I try not to buy DRM-laden content. But fuck if I can't understand why content providers go nuts with it.

    88. Re:They asked for it by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "It also means that everyone that worked on the album and were not paid outright get screwed...often times, if you only pay the artist, folks like the songwriters and the producer and even the little guys that did something for substandard pay because they believed the work was good and would eventually get paid for it -"

      What? Artists don't write their own songs anymore??

      Ok, I know the Brittney Spears types don't (hell what they do barely qualifies as singing on their albums), but, I was talking about artists, so that excludes that category.

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    89. Re:They asked for it by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Apparently Amazon thinks that they can make you pay for stuff and then take it back.

      Unless, they are going to give anyone who bought an affected book and who wants it read out to them their money back?

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    90. Re:They asked for it by FishWithAHammer · · Score: 0, Troll

      It infringes upon the creator's rights. That, in and of itself, is a "hurt" whether you choose to rationalize that away or not.

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    91. Re:They asked for it by FishWithAHammer · · Score: 1

      Strange, I didn't realize I was "filthy rich". Just somebody who doesn't like to see his work stolen. :)

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    92. Re:They asked for it by CyberLord+Seven · · Score: 4, Insightful
      It does not matter if you and I don't agree that copyright laws are "completely unjust". What matters is that enough other people feel this way that they will violate the law.

      As I stated above, I have no use for marijuana. I don't care one way or the other if marijuana is legalized. All I care is that people are not allowed to drive or operate machinery under the influence of it. After that I don't care.

      Our problem is that so many other people care enough that they will smoke the stuff without your permission, or my permission, or the State's permission, or the Federal Government's permission. Regardless of how you and I feel about it, THEY feel it is unjust, and by sheer force of numbers (that is what counts in a Republic, right?) THEY are correct! The law is unjust.

      Same applies to illegal downloads. You and I may not like them. It doesn't matter. Enough other people have a different opinion, and by sheer force of numbers they are correct!

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    93. Re:They asked for it by digitig · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In the UK it would be an offence under, IIRC, the computer misuse act. One quirk of that act is that if you've been convicted once under it one's employer can in some circumstances be jointly liable. That can be seriously career-limiting. Oh look, there's a whole load of publicity at the moment about the Kindle being launched in the UK...

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    94. Re:They asked for it by djrok212 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you have pirated materials on a computer other then your own, then you are an idiot...

    95. Re:They asked for it by Phoenix666 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Or they look at the post and see someone who doesn't like Sony or MS's business practices. Which is fine. A cantankerous connotation in a post does not him or her a troll make, nor does belittling a cantankerous post you a wiseman make. This is /. And if your user # is correct, then you should know better than raise your hoary head at this, of all things, to take potshots at.

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    96. Re:They asked for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

    97. Re:They asked for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I need less content creators thinking they can freeload off tax-payers to arbitrarily "secure" the easiest forms of distribution for their content.

      If you don't want it copied, then don't distribute it on/over a copyable medium. It's not rocket science!

    98. Re:They asked for it by Akir · · Score: 1

      Have you ever worked in the music industry before? Do you know what actually happens when a song is produced? Or the amount of money the artist makes?

      Let me tell you about production. An artist thinks of a song, and writes it down. He gives it to a producer, who gives the artist an extremely constrictive contract, which may have a provision limiting the amount of the profits he receives. From there, they hire technical staff, who actually do the audio production. It takes only an hour or so to make a song, depending on complexity and how much time it takes them to fine-tune the synthesizers. It's not so much a job then a short enjoyable gig.

      Do the technical staff get a percentage of the album? No. They're paid a flat rate. In many cases, the artists hired to play the instruments are given a flat rate. This isn't taken as a loan from future sales; it is paid with profits from other albums, and that's the risk factor that goes along with any business.

      Now, when you buy a CD, how is that ~$15 distributed? The record company, 99% of the time, takes more then half of the cash goes to the record company. Now, you may think that that goes to cover the costs of creation, but that's only about 10% of the sale, or less for more popular records. The artists often get a quarter of the profits, or less. More if they're a diva and scream at the record company long enough. I can guess that if only 15% of the people who obtained the album paid for it, the record company would get their risked capitol back.

      With that in mind, can you honestly say that it's unfair to pirate if you send the money to the artist? I say it's even less fair to buy the album legally.

      Let me reiterate: the money spent to produce a new album has already been made. The big 5 record companies are actually so big that they can produce hundreds of records consequentially and have them all flop without really hurting the company. The true purpose of the RIAA is to fuel the record companies' greed.

      Note that it's the exact same way for digital books, except that there's no cost for reproduction and there are much fewer people in the production line and bureaucracy who need to be paid off.

      P.S.: Your analogy does, however, works in the context of movies, since the tremendous amount of capitol required to film and market a movie is so large that they do need to make loans to make them.




      Legal note: percentages are all estimates.

    99. Re:They asked for it by RicardoGCE · · Score: 1

      Copyright only exists to encourage content creators to create more work, not to guarantee them money for the rest of their lives (and that of their children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren, etc...). When Disney decided that copyrights should be perpetual and bought a bunch of politicians to make it so, THEY didn't uphold their part of the bargain (as stated in the Constitution). Meaning, I have no moral qualms pirating anything where the creator wouldn't receive any benefit from my purchasing it. Pirating Louis Armstrong songs is not morally or ethically wrong, for example, since purchasing it isn't encouraging his zombie to produce further work.

      True enough, and I agree.

      The same goes for a stunning amount of music where the band receives very little to no benefit from album sales. For example, if you go buy a Beatles CD, no one from the band receives a cent, so why is pirating it wrong?

      Two members of the band, one of whom was responsible for half their hits, are still alive, and certainly receive album royalties.

      Copyright does not exist to guarantee a revenue stream for giant faceless corporations.

      And this is where you lose me. Generalizing all media providers as "giant faceless corporations" is a poor argument. There are thousands of creators distributing content on their own, with no backing from any third parties, corporate or otherwise. They have to deal with "piracy" also, and a couple of them are regularly slammed on Slashdot for having the gall to either complain about it, or asking people to play nice (see Cliff "Positech" Harris' attempt at engaging "pirates" in dialogue: http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/08/10/1553224&art_pos=2).

    100. Re:They asked for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Nice list. Who paid all those things? Could it be the production company? So the production company is out a boatload of money, and you don't care if they get paid. Fine, so the production companies go out of business, now who is paying all those people? The cheap bastards who think everything should be 'free'?

    101. Re:They asked for it by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 1

      I work at a University and having any copyrighted materials that you do not have permission to have on your computer (or any other electronic device owned by the University) you could be terminated and/or prosecuted.

      Hence the need for “Truecrypt”

    102. Re:They asked for it by Have+Brain+Will+Rent · · Score: 1

      How callous can you be! Won't someone please think of the mistresses!

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    103. Re:They asked for it by DMUTPeregrine · · Score: 1

      Some certifications can be revoked for this. So most IT people will suddenly lose their basic job qualifications, & can thus be fired.

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    104. Re:They asked for it by PieceofLavalamp · · Score: 1

      What about copyrighted material broadcast on the radio and youtube. I know i wouldn't pay for all the "stuff" i see and hear. Would you?

    105. Re:They asked for it by Hatta · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It has to do with the creator's rights to have his creations distributed on his terms.

      No such right exists. A temporary legal privilege exists, but only at the expense of our property rights. That is not an exchange I am willing to make.

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    106. Re:They asked for it by bzipitidoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You need, huh? What about our concerns? Think those concerns aren't legit, perhaps? We are the customers, have you forgotten? Our concerns come first, and we, not the mess that is the law, are the final arbiter of what is and is not a legit concern. We know quite well that the law has been tainted by special interest lobbying. We are more fair than the content providers. But you must provide good value. We will not part with our hard earned money for a bad deal.

      If I'm going to make a legitimate purchase, I demand that the seller not cheat me. That means no tricks! No DRM, no remotely controlled off switch, no time bombs, no surveillance for marketing or any other purpose. No lock in, no trying to hook me in order to gouge me down the road, no hidden gotchas. And none of this dodging around the first sale doctrine by trying to tell me I bought a license, not a product, no long complicated EULAs full of unenforceable and untrue nonsense trying to claim that I have fewer rights than I actually do. Like, don't try to tell me I'm not allowed to reverse engineer or hack something. And most certainly no root kits! Do you not understand how much contempt you show your customers when you treat them so, and not see the repercussions that will lead to?

      And, you know, there are people who don't buy or freeload either. What have you to say to that? That you don't think there's enough of those to matter?

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    107. Re:They asked for it by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 1

      Make sure you work for an employer who cares about experience, and not the joke a certification is.

    108. Re:They asked for it by MattW · · Score: 1

      What is the delta between what you would choose to not pay for when you can pirate anything, and what you would choose to pay for if you could pirate nothing?

      I'm sure there are many people who obtain illegal copies who truly would not pay for a real one, but I'm also certain there are many people who pirate hundreds of works and pay for zero, who in the absence of piracy channels, would pay for some subset of those works, despite their protestations to the contrary at the moment.

    109. Re:They asked for it by chckn.grg · · Score: 1

      The law does work on a broad swath of people, like me, who won't risk the consequences of breaking the law. For example, I don't smoke pot because it's illegal and I could lose my job. If it was legal I would smoke it frequently. If my employer could tell by testing my urine whether I illegally downloaded something, I wouldn't do that either.

    110. Re:They asked for it by swilver · · Score: 1

      ...and since there is already enough creative work out there to last anyone a life-time, it's time copyright was abolished. It's not a scarce product, as some would have you believe.

    111. Re:They asked for it by PieceofLavalamp · · Score: 1

      Copyright laws aren't just sorta flawed, needs some kinks worked out. Copyrights last for generations. Plural. And if these laws are really to protect the creator, why is it that the creator of an actual item only deserves to have their rights protected for 20 years but if someone creates and idea they get protection for their entire life time plus seventy years (as in their childrens life time as well)?

    112. Re:They asked for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The dollar sign is not a letter, and does not belong in words. Any time I read someone's post where they think it's "funny" or "edgy" or whatever to use the dollar sign as a letter, I immediately dismiss this person as an idiot.

    113. Re:They asked for it by Minwee · · Score: 1

      I have not bought a Kindle. This nutter [leasticoulddo.com] thinks that newspapers could "save" by distributing over Kindle instead of on paper.

      If you're going to go after the nutters, why not try the founder, president and CEO of the multinational corporation that makes the Kindle, instead of picking on the French Canadian guy who draws pictures of breasts for a living?

      It was, after all, his idea and was his company's business model long before Ryan Sohmer started talking about it.

    114. Re:They asked for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The people who use things without paying their fair share are the unjust ones...

      But, what if a lot people, as far as they're concerned, only see the following options available to them?

      1. Pay zero.
      2. Pay more than their fair share.

      We do give the middle man too much and the artist too little. But pirating gives the artist less.

      ...on the short run.

      On the long run, it makes people in the music industry go "Hmmm..." Some might answer with more DRM, not all of them do (or did) and many are still mulling over the next step to take but at least they'll realize something's happening and the 80's model just can't cut it anymore.

    115. Re:They asked for it by aaandre · · Score: 1

      And remember, the artist gets a small or no percentage of the middleman's profit.

    116. Re:They asked for it by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      And I find it a bit ironic you trust pirates of all people to deliver you a product free of root kits and trojans.

      I find it a bit ironic that many pirates ARE more trustworthy than Sony or Amazon.

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    117. Re:They asked for it by shaitand · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sort of but you are forgetting some critical details.

      That 15% that is expenses to produce and advertise the album, including those technical guys you mentioned who are paid from past profits... well the artist has to pay the studio back all of that from their cut. If an album is successful the studio pays NOTHING and their cut becomes 100% profit because the artist doesn't get anything until their advance plus all the expenses required to produce their music is paid off.

      What if there aren't enough sales for the artist to pay back those things? Well they either get a job at Denny's to pay it back or file bankruptcy. That's really the only way a studio loses money, when they are unable to recoup the expenses because they have bankrupt the artist.

      The studios collecting royalties on all internet radio and thus blocking independents from having their stuff broadcast and advertised without the studios is a crime.

    118. Re:They asked for it by FishWithAHammer · · Score: 1

      You seem to be conflating me, an independent software producer, with the kind of assholes at Sony et al. That is incorrect.

      But you must provide good value. We will not part with our hard earned money for a bad deal.

      I agree entirely. I wouldn't release something that was a bad deal. But at the same time, I expect not to be screwed over by the customers stealing my product. That is not unfair.

      If I'm going to make a legitimate purchase, I demand that the seller not cheat me. That means no tricks! No DRM, no remotely controlled off switch, no time bombs, no surveillance for marketing or any other purpose. No lock in, no trying to hook me in order to gouge me down the road, no hidden gotchas. And none of this dodging around the first sale doctrine by trying to tell me I bought a license, not a product, no long complicated EULAs full of unenforceable and untrue nonsense trying to claim that I have fewer rights than I actually do. Like, don't try to tell me I'm not allowed to reverse engineer or hack something. And most certainly no root kits!

      I don't release anything with DRM, aside from a very basic keep-the-honest-people-honest code check. (I could disable it with a crack in about half an hour, and cracks exist for it. But it keeps the honest people honest.) If you lose your code (which is difficult, as it's baked into the ISO file that you download digitally) it's only about two minutes to go get a new one if you have your purchase info, maybe a few hours otherwise as I have to check the email myself. I've never once refused somebody a code for a "lost code" even if I don't think they ever bought it in the first place--doing so would be bad minutes.

      There's nothing against reverse engineering or hacking in my product; in fact, it greatly encourages it by having virtually all of the code exposed via Python interfaces. You *can* reverse engineer it if you want...but you shouldn't need to, or I fucked up. You can sell it if you want, so long as you destroy all copies and backups--that's only fair to me. There is a monitoring system for perf checking and bug reporting, but it's opt-in and the checkbox is blank by default, and the software honors that.

      Basically, I don't care what you do with it, so long as you don't steal it and you don't copy it for people who haven't paid for it.

      Do you not understand how much contempt you show your customers when you treat them so, and not see the repercussions that will lead to?

      Who the fuck are you talking about? Certainly not me. I aim to treat my customers as fairly as possible. I even expressly don't protect my own interests when I very well could. Incidentially, there are about 80 seeds for my product on The Pirate Bay right now. Clearly some of my customers are OK with fucking me over even if I try very hard not to do the same to them! :)

      And, you know, there are people who don't buy or freeload either. What have you to say to that? That you don't think there's enough of those to matter?

      Well, I don't think there are many of us (I'm one of them--I won't buy or steal something I don't think is worth the money) at all. Those who do have my respect.

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      "You can either have software quality or you can have pointer arithmetic, but you cannot have both at the same time."
    119. Re:They asked for it by FishWithAHammer · · Score: 1

      You do know that somebody pays for the rights to broadcast a song on the radio, right? That money is recouped by reaching your ears via advertising. As for Youtube--companies that don't like having their stuff up there can get it removed. Those that don't really care leave it up there. I don't have a problem with it.

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      "You can either have software quality or you can have pointer arithmetic, but you cannot have both at the same time."
    120. Re:They asked for it by FishWithAHammer · · Score: 1

      If you don't want it copied, then don't distribute it on/over a copyable medium. It's not rocket science!

      So don't distribute anything at all? Cool.

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      "You can either have software quality or you can have pointer arithmetic, but you cannot have both at the same time."
    121. Re:They asked for it by FishWithAHammer · · Score: 2, Informative

      I would say that they are terribly unethical if they don't offer refunds. Were I ever to change the licensing agreement in my software (which is already very permissive--about the only thing expressly banned is redistribution of copyrighted material outside of an out-and-out sale where all copies and backups must likewise be transferred to the new purchaser, or destroyed), of course I would offer a refund to anyone who disagreed with the changes. It's only right to do so.

      Most of the pro-piracy sorts seem to paint all content creators with a very broad brush. I spent a few hours with my lawyer drafting up the most permissive license possible that didn't screw me over (and, in some ways, it really does screw me over--for example, there is no prohibition on reverse engineering, for example, so somebody could reverse engineer it and build a competitor relatively easily). The laws that you hate because they give power to the big guy also protect the little guy and let us actually make a living, too.

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      "You can either have software quality or you can have pointer arithmetic, but you cannot have both at the same time."
    122. Re:They asked for it by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      The problem with simply breaking a bad law is that it doesn't show anything other than intent to break the law. You can DUI all you want, but when you get caught, you're still going to jail no matter how unconstitutional you claim the law to be.

      If people put half as much energy into trying to get the laws changed as they do into finding ways around them, anti-marijuana laws and civil liability for file sharing wouldn't be illegal. I've never, ever, heard of a Filesharing protest, and 420 day is about the only time the potheads take a stand (literally..).

    123. Re:They asked for it by cml4524 · · Score: 1

      Never saw that argument before. Certainly not several times in every single article about this topic for the last ten years.

      Ahem.

      Content costs money to produce, the costs are determined by the expected sales, by obtaining and consuming the content you have justified your position as an expected sale without compensating the artist, programmer, or producer for their work. You have caused clear financial harm and so you are wrong legally and morally, your argument is absurd and would never stand up in any reasonable debate on the ethics of the matter and certainly will never hold water in any court of law.

      Any questions?

    124. Re:They asked for it by FishWithAHammer · · Score: 1

      I agree entirely. First sale should be protected. My products expressly allow transference of the license for money, so long as all copies and backups are either transferred as well or destroyed.

      But that doesn't excuse widespread copying. Like I said upthread, there are 80 seeds for one of my products on The Pirate Bay right now. Should I take from that that customers will just screw me over despite trying to help them? :-)

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      "You can either have software quality or you can have pointer arithmetic, but you cannot have both at the same time."
    125. Re:They asked for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, you lose the dross of humanity that somehow retains a modicum of goodwill toward Micro$oft. What a great loss! All those naive and oppressed people whose opinions are worth shit to me, won't read my post. :(

      I'm gonna go laugh my ass off for an hour straight, jandrese. See ya.

    126. Re:They asked for it by shaitand · · Score: 1

      Naturally the creator certainly has the right to distribute on his terms but naturally the creator has no right to control after it leaves his hand. If I have a cd I naturally have the right to do anything I want with it, including copying and distributing it.

      Now that the technology exists to copy and distribute materials digitally it is perfectly natural to do so.

      Last I checked, people created plenty of works before copyright. People copied their works as well, plays, songs, etc that were easy to copy and even modify with the technology of the day. Some people did get annoyed about that, wanting to own and possess something just because they happened to release it into the world with a barely a token acknowledgement for the shoulders they stood on to do so. Others did not. Many starved, many were bejeweled in courts. All in all, the arts did just fine and the most prized art I know of comes from an era with no copyright.

      The best art is created by those who love art and those who love art will create whether they can make a living that way or not. And those who love art but can't create will sponsor or support those whose art they love if they are able. Sorry but you don't have a right to own and possess and control ideas and the flow of art, beauty, and knowledge into the world whether you contribute to it or not. And if you do so just to make a living, the arts are better off without you anyway. People like that are the reason there are no decent new actors and we have to hear the spice girls and ben affleck movies.

    127. Re:They asked for it by Omestes · · Score: 1

      And this is where you lose me. Generalizing all media providers as "giant faceless corporations" is a poor argument.

      I wasn't trying to generalize. I generally don't pirate music from bands who receive any amount of money from my purchase, especially ones actively making music. I tried to draw the line there. Piracy is wrong when it goes against the spirit of copyright drawn in the Constitution (not the current law). Most of the music I listen to is either self-released, or on small labels, so I'm a firm believer in giving them money. I have pirated some of their releases, only to buy it from them personally at concerts (mostly because its a pain to find some of their albums online), but then I buy the album, the ticket, and generally a shirt. Though generally most independent music is well represented on Amazon, iTunes, or eMusic, so its pretty rare that I feel the need to do this.

      This isn't the problem, people who take money from actual content producers are morally reprehensible.

      There is some caveats, of course. I refuse to buy Beatles CDs (and I'm not sure if McCartney and Ringo actually make royalties off of half of it) since they've already got my money, several times over, and neither of them are actually IN the Beatles anymore, so I'm not encouraging that band to make more releases. Not saying I have pirated them, as I stated they've already got my money, but there could be a case for ethically doing so.

        Also, once the members of a band are dead, or an author, I stop caring about piracy. There is no reason that August Derelith's estate should be making money off of the later writings of HP Lovecraft, or Philip Dick's ex-wife or daughters should be making money off of his catalog, or that Capital Records (or whoever) should be making money off of Louis Armstrong's recording. This is outside the constitutional spirit of copyright. Yes, this bit is somewhat a gray area, and very much up for debate.

       

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    128. Re:They asked for it by FishWithAHammer · · Score: 1

      Then make a stand. Show some spine and some principles. Do without what you didn't want to buy.

      Or is that too hard for you?

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      "You can either have software quality or you can have pointer arithmetic, but you cannot have both at the same time."
    129. Re:They asked for it by FishWithAHammer · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Oh, no, you misunderstand. I have no interest in somebody having a lead injection simply because of the law. I earnestly want him to shuffle off this mortal coil because people like him directly harm me and my ability to make a livelihood, for the puerile benefit of free entertainment. To hell with 'im. :-)

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      "You can either have software quality or you can have pointer arithmetic, but you cannot have both at the same time."
    130. Re:They asked for it by FishWithAHammer · · Score: 1

      By paying for Photoshop, I earn the right to derive utility (productivity) from the software. He has not earned the right to derive utility (enjoyment) from a pirated product.

      Why should he have the right to derive utility from another's work for free? You pro-piracy folks love to trot out "well, if he wasn't going to buy it anyway, who cares?"--well, turn it around. If he wasn't going to buy it, why should he gain a benefit from it? "Because it hurts no one" is a laughable excuse. Piracy encourages further piracy (the "everyone's doing it" effect), which, even if he "wasn't going to buy it anyway", may induce somebody who would have to pirate it instead. Piracy reduces the impetus to actually compensate the creators, encouraging them to create more--hell, that hurts society as a whole. The "victimless" act of piracy does hurt people, and claims to the contrary are lies.

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      "You can either have software quality or you can have pointer arithmetic, but you cannot have both at the same time."
    131. Re:They asked for it by aaandre · · Score: 1

      >>Copyright is NOT there to protect the artist. Copyright is there to benefit the public by encouraging creation of new works.

      Well, let's say this is how Copyright was SOLD to the public. If you look at what it actually does, you'll see the public on the giving end and corporations on the receiving.

      Creators get crumbs of the action which would be comparable to profits from much less restrictive Copyright laws with much shorter terms in a world where 95%+ of the profit does not go to the middlemen.

      As for the encouraging, the reality is that anything copyrighted closes the doors to further exploration in the same direction by other artists.

      For example corporations ask for over $50k for inclusion of a song in a small budget movies thus effectively killing the creative work of brilliant artists.

    132. Re:They asked for it by shaitand · · Score: 1

      The creator doesn't have rights, he has privileges granted to him by the people... you know the downloaders.

    133. Re:They asked for it by FishWithAHammer · · Score: 1

      That argument made sense...when art was capable of being created by one or few people. Take video games, for example. Do you really think that something like, say, Half-Life 2 (not passing judgement on the game's quality, though I enjoy it quite a bit) would be created by "sponsorship"? Do you honestly think such would be done?

      I don't. Large-scale projects like that need a lot of funding, and only happen because the investment will be recouped. Those who love art may create what they can without money, but I'm genuinely sorry to say that, these days, that's really not that much. The patronage model is dead, and won't come back just because you abolish copyright. If I thought such were possible, I would one hundred percent agree with you. I'd rather be able to make a living doing something that might be a little out-there, because a patron or group of patrons trusts me to come up with something enjoyable and interesting, instead of having to stick to what I'm pretty sure will sell. But I don't think such an environment would ever be possible today, and as such copyright is pretty much the best we can actually do.

      I'll say this: if something were to exist, something that gave a reasonable chance of actually being able to make a living off my work as I do now, while giving users the right to copy it and share it as much as they'd like? I'd be on board for that in a New York minute. There is an element of practicality necessary to generate creative works on the kind of scale a modern society wants. Unless you can come up with something better (and patronage isn't it), copyright is the best of a set of bad alternatives.

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      "You can either have software quality or you can have pointer arithmetic, but you cannot have both at the same time."
    134. Re:They asked for it by shaitand · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Really that is a shame, you should call the police to help you recover this stolen work. It would be a shame for you to have deprived of it... wait, you mean you still have the work? Well if society (over 60 million downloaders in the US is enough to call "they" society or the people certainly) didn't steal the work then what did they steal?

    135. Re:They asked for it by ae1294 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No one cares man... get over it..
      I work in the IT field and i write code all the time and I don't get some nice 200 year "it's mine" law....

      It doesn't mater how much you complain about how wrong it is... no one cares... no one will ever care... you can sue everyone you like and take their Dr. pepper and pizza money but it isn't going to make any difference..

      Normal people work and never get a right to demand that what they create is theirs..

      Times have changed and you can cry and moan but no one cares,

      Thank You,
      ae

    136. Re:They asked for it by FishWithAHammer · · Score: 1

      No. The people through the government grant those "privileges" (if you'd like to call them that). If you want to be able to freely download, change the law. But that's hard, so just fire up BitTorrent.

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      "You can either have software quality or you can have pointer arithmetic, but you cannot have both at the same time."
    137. Re:They asked for it by FishWithAHammer · · Score: 1

      I work in the IT field and i write code all the time and I don't get some nice 200 year "it's mine" law....

      You're paid to create it, are you not? In which case your employer owns it. When I do web development of some kind, my client, my employer, is given the copyright. When I do development of products to sell myself, I retain the copyright.

      Normal people work and never get a right to demand that what they create is theirs..

      Because they are paid to create it. If you wish to have copyright on your creations, don't work for somebody else.

      If you are seriously equating being paid to do something, and thus surrendering copyright on it, and doing it yourself and retaining the copyright, I would hope you would never work for a company I do business with: because you are incompetent.

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      "You can either have software quality or you can have pointer arithmetic, but you cannot have both at the same time."
    138. Re:They asked for it by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I earnestly want him to shuffle off this mortal coil because people like him directly harm me and my ability to make a livelihood, for the puerile benefit of free entertainment.

      Can you explain how, exactly, this directly harms you? Can you even explain how it's indirect harm? And no, you're not allowed to assume they would pay for whatever it is you're selling if that was the only way to obtain it.

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      The enemies of Democracy are
    139. Re:They asked for it by shaitand · · Score: 1

      I fail to see the flamebait here. Wait is this it, "nor does belittling a cantankerous post you a wiseman make."

      Is the flamebait mod because the yoda speak might incite the trekies? Damn SW vs Trek wars!

    140. Re:They asked for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You realize that you lose half of the audience every time you write "M$" or "$ony" in a post right?

      Yeah, but all those text filters and spy bots don't really count, do they?

    141. Re:They asked for it by ae1294 · · Score: 1

      I will never buy anything with DRM in it. Sorry guys but your servers get shutdown after 2 years or so and guess what? I'm not stupid enough to fall for it... I never did and I make sure to tell everyone I know to never support companies that use DRM. I support fair use and the original purpose of copyright which no longer really means anything unless you are talking about some guy in china making bootlegs...

      Why anyone would really be fooled by all this propaganda is beyond me...

      O and I don't goto movies anymore ether.. sue me...
      ae

    142. Re:They asked for it by FishWithAHammer · · Score: 1

      From an economic/social perspective: piracy encourages piracy. While he may not be willing to purchase it, the "everybody does it effect", as well as his making more easily available the work (BitTorrent seeding, etc.), makes it easier for somebody who otherwise would purchase it to pirate it.

      Also from a social perspective: where is the drive to actually create more if you know you're simply going to get fucked over for it? I'm not even talking monetarily. I'm talking socially. Piracy is disrespect: "I'm going to take this without paying because I want it but I don't think you deserve compensation for it." Why work, why spend a hell of a lot of time and money, on a project, just to be disrespected by those who want to use it? What the fuck's the point? (And please don't give me that tired "it's art, create it for the sake of creating it" nonsense; when you come up with a way for people to make full 3D games competitive with the Unreal Engine and others on their lunch breaks, without any of the previous technology being there, let me know. Some art can't be made without enough money to live off of, and patronage is dead and never coming back.)

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      "You can either have software quality or you can have pointer arithmetic, but you cannot have both at the same time."
    143. Re:They asked for it by kimvette · · Score: 1

      So you lose fanboys. Everyone else will continue reading, realizing that the writer is either trying to be funny by playing with Micro$oft's or $ony's name, or is trying to make a point, or is just as blindly bigoted as the fanboy. I use M$ sometimes to make fun of Microsoft - I used to be an avid fan of them, until they started to treat their customers like criminals with their activation and validation crap. When they started that I started doing the M$ thing to make fun.

      In other words, get over it.

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      The Christian Right is Neither (Christian nor right). See: Matthew 23, Matthew 25, Ezekiel 16:48-50
    144. Re:They asked for it by phayes · · Score: 1

      Spoken by a typical AC, You're part of the idiots I couldn't care less about.

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      Democracy is a sheep and two wolves deciding what to have for lunch. Freedom is a well armed sheep contesting the issue
    145. Re:They asked for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you find it morally objectionable you do have a choice, you can choose to NOT use it/listen/watch/install. The fact you DO go through the effort of obtaining an illegal copy shows that the work has some value to you. Just because it exists does not mean you have any right to it.

    146. Re:They asked for it by CyberLord+Seven · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Capitalism implies risk. In fact, when Ronald Reagan was running for President back in 1980 I remember him saying capitalism did not guarantee anyone the right to succeed, it guaranteed them the right to fail. I never forgot that.

      Now, I don't have a problem with the production company making money. That's a good thing.

      I have a problem when they step on my rights to make that money. We can argue all day over what my legitimate rights are and get nowhere. I just think you should pop over to The New York Time's web-site before too long. On Monday they had a really cool article on how production companies are requiring artists to produce two CDs worth of material for every CD they market. It usually takes twelve songs to make a CD. The production companies are now requiring artists to produce as many as twelve additional songs so that Target can have two exclusive songs to match the two exclusive songs on the Best Buy version, and so on.

      Wait a minute! Who's getting screwed here? I'm starting to lose track.

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      We have always been at war with Eurasia!
    147. Re:They asked for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Session musicians - already paid
      Studio Engineers - already paid
      Studio rental - already paid
      Production costs - already paid
      Cover artist - already paid
      Distribution costs - already paid

      So where do you think the money comes from to pay these people? It couldn't be from all the disgusting profits the record companies make, could it?

      I'm not saying the record companies aren't bad guys here, but money to pay wages doesn't just come out of thin air.

    148. Re:They asked for it by shaitand · · Score: 1

      The moral dillema here isn't really about who gets paid. It is about unnatural rights and unnatural laws. Of course people modify and improve works and distribute them freely and other download them. The people doing the improving (by removing DRM and copy protection hassles, etc) and distributing are the REAL modern day artists.

      Note how they do not receive copyright on their work or pay of any kind. Yet somehow there is a thriving global network that invests time, effort, and even their own money into acquiring early releases of works or smuggling them out at risk to their own careers and prison. Then spends countless hours developing the skills and performing the work required to reverse engineer and defeat whatever copy protection mechanisms or artificial limitations have been put in place. These people take pride in their work and make every effort to make the end result as enjoyable as possible.

      The pirate producers of movies will often scour sources throughout the world to find the best picture and audio they can. They spend days performing multiple pass filter crunches tryign to find that right combination that produces the best result with this particular video and audio. They will transcribe subtitles by hand into their native tongues. Then when they release their final work they stamp it with their seal be it axxo, or fxm, or one of the many others. It is handed again to a network of people who passes this work of art, again at no financial benefit (and often with incurred expense) to themselves out through a network to the world. They utilize the usenets, ftp's, webservers, bittorrent, peer to peer networks.

      That is how real art works. Real artists aren't driven by profits, they are driven by the need to create art. The need to put something into the world and perhaps to have something remain after they are gone. They create because they love the art. That isn't just a romantic notion, the very network of pirate artists proves that there are no shortage of talented people in the world who will create just for the sake of creating.

      Why should we make criminals out of a third of our population just to support a system of commercialized production that has degraded the quality of art?

    149. Re:They asked for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why are you responding to this freetard? He won't understand your argument. He won't sympathize with content creators or copyright owners. You're wasting your breath (electrons? text? something, certainly).

      In this world, there are:

      A) People who are capable of producing something new and novel, and who would like to be fairly compensated for the use of their work.

      B) People who understand that the first group need to make a living, and who appreciate what they produce. These people pay for the things they use, because they believe in supporting the people who created them.

      C) Freetards like your conversational opponent, who are purely selfish and refuse to pay for the things they use and don't believe they should ever be taken to task for such irresponsibility. These are the people responsible for the "tragedy of the commons". As you say, it would be better if they would just eat a bullet, but since they rarely voluntarily pay for anything themselves, someone's going to have to follow them down into their mother's basement and perform a "donation".

      I applaud your attempt to suggest a magnificient way for our freetard to withdraw from commerce, nontheless. Very eloquently stated, sir!

    150. Re:They asked for it by commodoresloat · · Score: 1

      It has nothing to do with depriving the creator of anything. It has to do with the creator's rights to have his creations distributed on his terms.

      The creator has no natural right to any such thing. Copyright law in the US at least is about promoting the progress of the arts, not about giving the artist some kind of control over what the public does with his/her art. You don't want us to make fun of your song or paint moustaches on your photos and make T-shirts out of sentences cribbed from your novels? Fine, then don't fucking release the crap in the first place. Keep your cassette tape in a locked drawer and put your photo on your nightstand and burn the negative, and take your manuscript and line birdcages with it. If we restrict distribution rights through copyright law, it's because we've determined that the public benefits more from that restriction. I'm in favor of such restrictions insofar as they promote the public good, but not when they become an unlimited license for the government to step in and protect a creator's chosen distribution model.

    151. Re:They asked for it by RicardoGCE · · Score: 1

      Fair enough, thanks for the clarification. I do agree with most of your views.

    152. Re:They asked for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I know when I was a performing musician, we could buy extremely discounted albums from our label, but it was considered by most to be slimy to go to the local duplicator and get a thousand or two printed up for your tour. Yet, some thought they could be a little cheaper by doing so."

      That's fine. It's at the artist's discretion to share some of the money with other people if they want. Their call.

    153. Re:They asked for it by commodoresloat · · Score: 1

      You want to kill someone because they disagree with you about copyright? And you make the false claim that he is harming your ability to make a living? Sorry, but if your ability to make a living depends on the government stepping in to enforce a business model that you find convenient, you should find a new way to make a living. And if you're planning to enforce this yourself with your "lead injection," your business model is the last thing you'll need to be worried about, as the government will have far more justification in stepping in at that point.

    154. Re:They asked for it by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 1

      I don't think I am the only one who sees this, hence all the downloads.

      No, people are cheap bastards and want free stuff, hence all the downloads.

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    155. Re:They asked for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eat a bullet.

      Am I the only one struck by how ugly a thing to say this is?

    156. Re:They asked for it by shaitand · · Score: 1

      Marijuana is an amusing substance (no pun intended). The smoke is known to contain carcinogens but studies have shown no increased risk of lung cancer among smokers (who knows why).

      It is shown to impair motor function and reflexes and yet actual driving studies of smokers have shown that they show no impairment driving and some actually drive more safely (its the paranoia, you are more cautious when you smoke because you are more concerned about the risks than your non-chalant sober self would be).

      Studies aside, I still don't support driving or smoking marijuana. If you want to use it then just eat it or vaporize it. That takes more marijuana but since marijuana is safer than most other herbal supplements on the shelf it should be legalized and if legal the price would drop out of the market. Marijuana should be cheaper by weight than sugar.

      It's easy to grow, produces massive plants with monster yields under the sun and it enriches the soil it is grown in naturally. Grown under the sun a plant given a 3ftx3ft space will yield 2-3lbs of dried marijuana how many 3x3 spaces are there in a 43560 sqft acre. It takes about half a gram of quality marijuana to get someone high for 4hrs. You do the math.

    157. Re:They asked for it by shaitand · · Score: 1

      I, Shaitand, do henceforth pledge to care for these poor downtrodden mistresses. Send them to me I say and I will provide them with a warm bed and alleviate their need for garment.

    158. Re:They asked for it by tiananmen+tank+man · · Score: 1

      Why do most content creators believe they should have sole distribution rights for their works for lifetime+ years when it is so easy and cheap to distribute? If you can not recover your costs in XY years, then you probably won't recover your costs in 100 years.

      I am not saying what the copyright term should be, but that it should be studied and that copyright reform is needed.

    159. Re:They asked for it by eldorel · · Score: 1
      I would love to change the law, but, in case you haven't noticed, the Golden Rule is in effect.

      He who has the Gold, makes the Rules. - Lyndon Forman

      I've been voting against these people, but it doesn't help. The guys with the money get the screen time, the adverts, and the votes. Hell, last election, I got ASKED TO LEAVE THE VOTING PRECINCT for requesting a paper ballot to write in my candidate.

      So, Yeah. We're already screwed. Thanks for noticing.

    160. Re:They asked for it by phayes · · Score: 1

      Consider it as part of the debate. By defining the terms one moves the goalposts. An example in RL that I have noticed between France & the US is how unauthorized noncitizens are called. In the US they are commonly called "Illegal Aliens". In France they are called "Sans Papiers" or "People without ID". This difference in terminology has really profound effects in my opinion. The vocabulary used defines the expectations of the people taking part. In the court of popular opinion, companies like M$ & $ony who ride roughshod over individual rights in the interest of making ever more money "because they can" deserve to be renamed in a pejorative fashion. If you don't want to, hey that's your call & I'm not calling for everyone to do it if they are not comfortable with it. However, if majority or even a sizable minority take to using the belittling terms in general, it will certainly affect their bottom line as trust in their products will fall.

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    161. Re:They asked for it by eldorel · · Score: 1

      You keep mentioning this product, what is it exactly? I'd be very interested in taking a look at it, out of curiosity. Heck, perhaps we might give you an idea of how to make the original software more marketable.

      I've released a few programs myself over the years, and I've found a few things that help motivate people to pay for it when they can get it for free. Forums, extra services, early updates and patches, heck even first shot at bonus content works, and if your prices are reasonable, a lot of people who normally pirate will purchase your product.

    162. Re:They asked for it by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

      From an economic/social perspective: piracy encourages piracy. While he may not be willing to purchase it, the "everybody does it effect", as well as his making more easily available the work (BitTorrent seeding, etc.), makes it easier for somebody who otherwise would purchase it to pirate it.

      Just to be clear, that is an indirect effect, and also in contradiction to your first post, this is all about depriving the creator of something: money.

      And when you accept that people who really are just trying to get as much free stuff as they can, whether they would have paid for it or not, are plentiful, then even this indirect effect vanishes. "Making more easily available" than trivially easy is a trivial effect, you see.

      Piracy is disrespect: "I'm going to take this without paying because I want it but I don't think you deserve compensation for it." Why work, why spend a hell of a lot of time and money, on a project, just to be disrespected by those who want to use it?

      Or another way of putting it: "I think this is worth having for $0, but not for any more than that, and certainly not for the price you're asking." I guess you could call that disrespectful. Am I being disrespectful of Andy Warhol if I said I'd take a print of one of his paintings if it was for free, but wouldn't spend $10 for one and scoff at the idea of paying what an original is worth on the market because I don't think Andy Warhol is worth nearly that much? Am I being disrespectful by looking at and enjoying art of his that comes up on a free Google Image search, but still not buying what I think is an overpriced $10 print?

      I mean did you really think that their desire to have what you made should be irrespective of the price?

      But if that's just what happens, as in nobody thinks what you have is worth more than $0, then maybe you should consider the possibility that they have a point!

      What the fuck's the point? (And please don't give me that tired "it's art, create it for the sake of creating it" nonsense; when you come up with a way for people to make full 3D games competitive with the Unreal Engine and others on their lunch breaks, without any of the previous technology being there, let me know. Some art can't be made without enough money to live off of, and patronage is dead and never coming back.)

      Well then I guess the point is nothing more than to make a buck, which plenty of artists seem to be able to do just fine even in the face of piracy.
      After all at the end of the day, PC gaming is still an 11 billion dollar industry.

      Because it isn't even clear that piracy is harming their sales significantly because it isn't clear how many of those are actually lost sales. After all, you don't really think that of the approximately $50000 worth of warez on a pirate's 1TB HD, that if piracy didn't exist that they'd have spent anything close to that amount. And of whatever tiny fraction of that money actually would have been spent, why do you assume that you'd have necessarily been the recipient of any of it?

      So instead of throwing your hands up in the air and saying "What the fuck's the point [when everyone will just pirate the game anyway]?", maybe you should instead be asking yourself why you aren't getting any of that $11 billion dollars that the non-pirates are funneling into the industry. Blaming the people who aren't buying games doesn't really make a lot of sense, it's sort of by definition not their fault.

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    163. Re:They asked for it by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      It also means that everyone that worked on the album and were not paid outright get screwed...often times, if you only pay the artist, folks like the songwriters and the producer and even the little guys that did something for substandard pay because they believed the work was good and would eventually get paid for it -- those folks get nothing when you send them the money directly.

      So he should have sent the money instead to the RIAA, because they have such a good track record of properly subdividing the profits amongst the interests behind a musical work, huh?

      I'd rather leave it up to the artist named on the cheque to divide up the proceeds based on his conscience. He's in a better position to know than I am. (I'd even make it explicit by putting in the "memo" space "divvy up as you see fit".)

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    164. Re:They asked for it by phayes · · Score: 1

      Some people in my experience have been offended. They have generally been working for Microsoft, one of it's partners, or part of the recording industry. However, none of the artists I have met or the other IT workers have been. You label people who use the belittling terms marginal. Perhaps in your environment. In mine, where most IT workers from their 20's to their mid'40's like me use them, you're the marginal. I've described elsewhere in this thread why I think using these terms in a general fashion is a good idea.

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    165. Re:They asked for it by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 0, Troll

      Session musicians - already paid
      Studio Engineers - already paid
      Studio rental - already paid
      Production costs - already paid
      Cover artist - already paid
      Distribution costs - already paid

      So where do you think the money comes from to pay these people?

      Came from. Get your tenses right.

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    166. Re:They asked for it by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      It's not a "natural" right in any way shape or form, it is inherently an unnatural right.

      Depends on who you ask. Those pesky Europeans subscribe to the idea that "authors' rights" (which include copyright) are moral rights (and, as such, natural), and not a legal contract of any kind.

    167. Re:They asked for it by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      ¥€$

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    168. Re:They asked for it by LanMan04 · · Score: 1

      As revealed later in this thread, FishWithAHammer is an artist who doesn't like his work "stolen".

      [redneck] We don't take kindly to your folk roun here! [/redneck]

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    169. Re:They asked for it by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      At least he's expressing his feelings effectively, something that is largely lost in text-only communications media.

      Perhaps you could use Micros<3ft or S<3ny (in absence of &hearts; support) as the mood takes you?

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    170. Re:They asked for it by phayes · · Score: 1

      Yet they do deserve it, no?

      The people in my experience who consider it childish are part of my parents generation & I'm in my mid 40's. People past their 50's may disregard my points due to the fact that I use belittling terms for microsoft but they are usually so set in their ways that any effort expended is pointless anyway.

      Those who are younger and mistake me for a "35 year old with a neckbeard in his mother's basement" because I use belittling terms for these corporate entities are either so far out of touch with reality to make the "idiot" label stick or work for one of the entities in question.

      See elsewhere in this thread why I think using belittling terms for these corps is a good idea.

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      Democracy is a sheep and two wolves deciding what to have for lunch. Freedom is a well armed sheep contesting the issue
    171. Re:They asked for it by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      A little pedantic, but the mechanism you are describing is democracy, not a republic. In a republic, the law is generally immune from the sways to the crowd, regardless of how unpopular it is.(i.e. Civil rights laws)

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    172. Re:They asked for it by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      How long before a wireless 'update' prevents you from reading anything but approved files?

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    173. Re:They asked for it by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      Piracy is a natural reaction to the lobbyists. Ill give Mickey Mouse as an example. He was scheduled to leave copyright already under the terms of social contract of when he was created. Disney lobbied tremendously hard to get the Sonny Bono act passed and extended copyright FAR beyond its original intention. Mickey Mouse SHOULD be copyright free today, but hes not because the law was bought and paid for by big content. Its not right.

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    174. Re:They asked for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      the corporations are scared that they are losing money. they still havent realized that the real trouble is still ahead. once the artists realize they dont actually need them and stop signing their contracts - because they might just as well use the internet to market their music / videos / shows / movies. instant world-wide audience with instant payment & delivery possibilities.

      @all you corporations: be scared - be very very scared
      @all you artists & everyone else: rejoice, there are good times ahead

    175. Re:They asked for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The point is, not everyone is a solo wunderkinder who can write, play instruments, sing, produce, and market their songs without need for anyone else to do anything for them. The face you see isn't the only face involved.

      Of course, I'm dead certain you won't bother absorbing any of those couple sentences and instead latch on to what you think is the weakest word or two and count on that to desperately handwave the rest of the argument away from your entrenched beliefs (HINT: Try a nonsequitur around my use of the term "wunderkinder"!), so I figure I may as well post AC so as to not waste my time and effort taking credit for this post.

    176. Re:They asked for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You realize that you lose half of the audience every time you write "M$" or "$ony" in a post right?

      Doest this apply to your post as well? What about my post? I just quoted you... One of life's big mysteries :p

    177. Re:They asked for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But don't you understand? All these guys probably signed contracts saying they'd receive royalties from the projects they worked on! They're absolutely entitled to their share of the money!

      Ok, in all seriousness, there are three copyrightable components to a song: the tune, the lyrics, and the performance. Usually, all three receive royalties. It'd be much easier if performers paid for their songs (tune and lyrics) in full, i.e. contracted work, but that increases the up-front costs. Instead, the performer pays less up front and agrees to share a cut of the royalties with the other two, so as to distribute the burden if the song doesn't do well. It's the same mentality as insurance. Actually, most often, it's not the performer who sets up the deal, but a middleman (e.g. record company, agent). This is because most creative types aren't interested in negotiations, and probably would rather somebody else do it. Anyway, the point is moot if the performer and the songwriter are one and the same, but that's pretty rare.

      So the send-a-check-to-the-artist, while nice, doesn't necessarily work the way it should in an ideal world. What the artist and others involved can do is set up a joint account that checks can be set to, or a corporation. But that needs to be done for every collaboration. And it's a lot of work, work that they'd probably pay someone else to do anyway. That's where the recording companies come in. Ideally, the performer or whomever would enter into a contract where said third party gets paid only for work that's done, but creative types tend not to think too hard about these things, and hence the birth of the recording companies.

    178. Re:They asked for it by d474 · · Score: 1

      If you won't pay for it, don't take it. It's not rocket science.

      If you make it and want to get paid for it, but people won't pay for it and keep taking it, then don't make it. It's not rocket science.

      Either that or come to the realization that the OLD BUSINESS MODEL you are trying to live in is broken and that it's OLD BUSINESS MODEL which is preventing you from "getting paid", not the music consumers.

      Create a new business model. Unfortunately, it may be as challenging as some aspects of rocket science to accomplish. In fact, like the development of rocket science there will be many failures before you get a business model that flies true.

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    179. Re:They asked for it by HammerOfDoubt · · Score: 1

      Your collectivism is kind of scary.

    180. Re:They asked for it by steelfood · · Score: 1

      Have you ever sung "Happy Birthday" to anyone? Have you ever sung "Happy Birthday" to someone at a restaurant or a pub or at some social gathering outside of a private residence? Have you ever been the recipient of the song?

      Did you know that the song "Happy Birthday" still has a copyright on it? I'll bet the creators didn't receive royalties from you or anyone else for that public performance.

      Don't be a hypocrite.

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      "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be."
    181. Re:They asked for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The pot laws are stupid. Vote against people who support them.

      Want to support the artist instead of the corporation? Find an artist you like who gives his work away.

      There is room in the world for both paid and free entertainment. Stealing from suits doesn't support anyone.

      And please don't say books are like music. You play a song for your friends, they buy the CD, sure. You don't usually find people reading their favorite chapter from a book to a crowd.

    182. Re:They asked for it by HammerOfDoubt · · Score: 1

      Your property rights? What do you call something I made with my own brain and body? If you aren't willing to make the "exchange", then don't buy it. You do not have a divine right to creative works just by virtue of existing. I can't believe this type of extremism is so widespread.

    183. Re:They asked for it by HammerOfDoubt · · Score: 1

      "the government stepping in to enforce a business model" You just decribed civilization. If you don't like it, you don't get to opt out AND get the fruits of it for free.

    184. Re:They asked for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Copyright is NOT there to protect the artist. Copyright is there to benefit the public by encouraging creation of new works.

      Feel free to maintain whatever theories you wish, but the practical reality is that copyright does both, and sometimes it does neither.

      As the "artist", I use it to prevent others from selling my software as their own, plus I'm encouraged to write new works. Back in the day when I made a lot of game levels and released them on the net with copyright notices, major publishers would download them, repackage them as their own, remove my notices, and sell them for profit. Copyright neither protected me nor encouraged me to create more. Sometimes it works, sometimes it's too expensive to rely on it.

    185. Re:They asked for it by HammerOfDoubt · · Score: 1

      I just love how you people try to reframe artist's being robbed of their rights and compensation as efforts to control "art, beauty, and knowledge", as if invoking such concepts and painting yourselves to be some sort of freedom fighters changes the fact that all you are doing and all you are fighting for is being able to take things you didn't make for free. It's disrespectful, it's illegal, and no matter how much you want to hurt the middllemen at fault for some real buses, it's harmful to the artists.

    186. Re:They asked for it by kloot · · Score: 1
      This depends on the copyright law in your country. Historically British and American copyright law usually protects a creation someone paid much money for creating, whereas historically in Europe copyright protects the artist who created a individual work of art.

      This changed over time of course. Today in most European countries the general opinion is that something like, for example, a weather database is protected by copyright law, although it does not really represent a individual work of art.

    187. Re:They asked for it by commodoresloat · · Score: 1

      No I didn't. Civilization has nothing to do with a particular choice of a business model. Nice try though.

    188. Re:They asked for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was supposed to be "You lost me at M$."

      But I thought the sentence simple enough to skip the preview before posting. It's the keyboard's fault. Stupid keyboard. :p

    189. Re:They asked for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is more common than you think. Most companies want to CYA, and that is how they do it. I work at a University and having any copyrighted materials that you do not have permission to have on your computer (or any other electronic device owned by the University) you could be terminated and/or prosecuted. Granted, that is not the first action that they would take, but if you are a repeat offender it is a possibility.

      YOU COULD BE TERMINATED (killed) FOR PIRACY?!??!?
      That's some strict university you worked at!

    190. Re:They asked for it by Mprx · · Score: 1

      And if anyone doubts this, look at how many "new" releases are sequels or remakes.

    191. Re:They asked for it by Mprx · · Score: 1

      How is it "collectivism" to want a reduction in artificial government granted monopolies?

    192. Re:They asked for it by Hatta · · Score: 1

      Also from a social perspective: where is the drive to actually create more if you know you're simply going to get fucked over for it?

      Then don't create any more. Maybe we wouldn't have the Unreal Engine without copyright. Maybe we wouldn't have any more big budget blockbusters. That's ok with me. I'd rather have my freedom.

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    193. Re:They asked for it by GMThomas · · Score: 1

      If the money goes directly to the artist instead of through the middle-man, and the artist pays those fees. Look at startup bands - the bands pay for the studio and the engineers themselves.

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    194. Re:They asked for it by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Maybe artists shouldn't sign the contract if the terms are not agreeable?

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    195. Re:They asked for it by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      Troll, huh? Perhaps I should explain myself with a fuller quotation:

      Arthur: He's totally mad, isn't he?
      Ford: Well, the border between madness and genius is very narrow.
      Arthur: So is the Berlin Wall.
      Ford: The Berlin— ?
      Arthur: Oh, the Berlin Wall... the border between East and West Germany. It's very narrow. I mean the point I'm making—
      Ford: Was very narrow. Get your tenses right.
      Arthur: Thank you.
      Ford: Anything wrong?
      Arthur: On Earth we have a word—
      Ford: Had a word.
      Arthur: Had a word called "tact".
      Ford: Oh yeah?
      Arthur: Yes.
      Ford: And what happened to it?
      Arthur: Well apparently it's not in common usage....

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    196. Re:They asked for it by geekoid · · Score: 1

      OTOH, downloading it isn't the crime, distribution ins,
      Don't forget that.

      Of course, based on your sig your intelligence is too limited to understand this concept; which is why I'm not surprised when your response is 'eat a bullet' How cave man of you.

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    197. Re:They asked for it by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Except they don't.
      Man, what are you, IQ 90? How can you not get that point?

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    198. Re:They asked for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So pirate the stuff and send a little donation to the artist / author if you like it. Sounds perfectly fair to me.

    199. Re:They asked for it by geekoid · · Score: 1

      "piracy encourages piracy."
      False. If it was true iTunes and amazon wouldn't exist.

      "Also from a social perspective: where is the drive to actually create more if you know you're simply going to get fucked over for it?"

      People who create great stuff will always create. They don't need copyright. Copyright i solely there to get around out natural right to share so they have some sort of opportunity to create.

      Just becasue you work hard and create doesn't mean you should be respected. Try earning some instead of assuming your entitled to it.

      "(And please don't give me that tired "it's art, create it for the sake of creating it" nonsense; "
      No, it's not nonsense. Artist ahve been creating and making mony longer then copyright ahs existed.

      "when you come up with a way for people to make full 3D games competitive with the Unreal Engine and others on their lunch breaks, without any of the previous technology being there, let me know."

      What the hell does that mean? it makes no god damn sense.
      First, creator always build on other creations, free or otherwise. We all stand on the shoulders of giants, as it were.

      I would also argue the 3d unreal engine isn't art. becasue ti's not.

      Anyone who think writing software is an art form should be drummed out of the business. It's engineering and math, and should be treated as such.

      The visual and aureal effect? that's art.

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    200. Re:They asked for it by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Right now, the newspaper publishers would make more money selling the paper as fish wrappings that happen to ahve some words on it!

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    201. Re:They asked for it by geekoid · · Score: 1

      "Copyright laws may be flawed, but they are not completely unjust"
      True

      "The people who use things without paying their fair share are the unjust ones."
      I can see several exception to that. libraries, try and buy, resale.

      "....not rebels against an unfair law."
      If they find the law unjust, they are. And some things around copyright are unjust.

      "And I find it a bit ironic you trust pirates of all people to deliver you a product free of root kits and trojans."

      It is ironic in that it is easier to find out if a pirated distribution has a trojan that the Official distributed one.

      "But pirating gives the artist less."
      You have completly missed why we have copyright laws.
      Becasue it's not as easy as that, this 'If someone wasn't intended to pay for it, it's not a loss' aspect of copyright is very old, dating back into pre America Britain. Many of the founding fathers wanted explicit amendments AGAINST copyright becasue of the harm it did in Britain.

      Copyright in the hands of large entities brings a lot of problem to society.
      It has been stated, and shown, many times: It only causes a lost in revenue if someone who would have bought it anyways gets it for free.
      Studies show that more often then not pirating has helped sales.

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    202. Re:They asked for it by FishWithAHammer · · Score: 1

      I'd be happy with, say, five years, to be honest. I don't believe in limitless copyright.

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    203. Re:They asked for it by FishWithAHammer · · Score: 1

      All of what you mentioned are fair use, which I entirely support. How does that have anything to do with people pirating their work?

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    204. Re:They asked for it by Hatta · · Score: 1

      Did you think this through? My principles are that individuals should be able to do what they want with their property. How is allowing you to dictate what I do a principled stand of any sort?

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    205. Re:They asked for it by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      And then we're back to using the law to enforce the rights granted to authors of creative works. "Don't want to meet me halfway? Fine, here's the DMCA".

      What's halfway, and when did they offer to meet there?

      Their end of the bargain was that they would enrich the public domain in exchange for increased production of works encouraged by a limited-duration monopoly. Ever since copyright went automatic, without need for renewal, and beyond the author's lifetime, they have not contributed a single work to the public domain and, with copyright reclamation, actually removed works from the public domain here in the US to achieve parity internationally, extended those limited times even further, and pressured other countries to extend theirs as well.

      Berne Convention: "I've just made a deal that'll keep the Empire out of here forever."
      Copyright Reclamation: "I do not want the Emperor's prize damaged. We will test it on Captain Solo."
      Sonny Bono Act: "Perhaps you feel you are being treated unfairly?"
      DMCA: "I am altering the deal; pray I don't alter it any further."

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    206. Re:They asked for it by Hatta · · Score: 1

      Your property rights? What do you call something I made with my own brain and body?

      It's your property, until you sell it to someone else. Then it's theirs to do with as they please.

      If you aren't willing to make the "exchange", then don't buy it.

      If you're not willing to let me use it as I see fit, then don't sell it.

      You do not have a divine right to creative works just by virtue of existing

      No, but I do have a natural right to use my property as I see fit.

      I can't believe this type of extremism is so widespread.

      I could not have said it better myself.

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    207. Re:They asked for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your argument is an absurdity. If content is "property" to which we can apply property rights, then obtaining it without compensation is outright theft in which case you're in the wrong. If it's something immaterial then it's not property and you have no property to which you can lay claim and exercise rights upon regardless of how you came into possession of it in which case you're position is void.

    208. Re:They asked for it by commodoresloat · · Score: 1

      You weren't talking about "piracy," you were talking about "the creator's rights to have his creations distributed on his terms." My point is that the creator has no such rights.

    209. Re:They asked for it by adavies42 · · Score: 1

      well, it is hemp paper

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    210. Re:They asked for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And I find it a bit ironic you trust pirates of all people to deliver you a product free of root kits and trojans.

      Applying a bit of common sense, I haven't had a problem avoiding rootkits in pirated software/music. I didn't, however, have any clue how slimy Sony was until they bundled a rootkit with their CDs.

    211. Re:They asked for it by Kagura · · Score: 1

      Well, that's what you get for buying content instead of just copying it from pirate bay or whatever. Maybe it's time for us to finally learn our lesson?

      I downloaded "Lays of Beleriand" (by J.R.R. Tolkien) from Piratebay, because it wasn't available on Amazon for Kindle. I transferred it over to my kindle, but all the formatting was borked... the eight-syllable-per-line Lay of Leithian was no longer separated into lines like a poem, but rather into paragraphs. Does anybody know a good way to transfer something like that over to my Kindle without removing the page breaks at the end of the lines?

    212. Re:They asked for it by Kagura · · Score: 1

      And as a side topic, does anybody find themselves as unimpressed with that Turin Turambar poem as I find myself? There's no rhyming and no rhythm to follow. The lack of rhythm is the worst part! If I wanted to read about Turin Turambar again, I would just go back to Silmarillion (which I paid for on my Kindle). The Lay of Leithian, however... that's an AMAZING piece of work. Every line is eight syllables, written by J.R.R. Tolkien, set up in rhyming pairs, with an easy rhythm to follow, telling the story of Beren and Luthien. It's an incredible masterpiece. Oh, and it numbers more than 3000 lines... that's the most amazing part.

    213. Re:They asked for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If its value to them is less than the purchase price, but greater than zero, then their argument is sound.

    214. Re:They asked for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I see "M$" or "$ony" or "$im!lar", I see a child, sitting in his room, overly opinionated yet knowing little to nothing about the subject matter.

      I've also found this is pretty accurate.

      Stereotypes save me time!

    215. Re:They asked for it by definate · · Score: 1

      If I can take it, without depriving someone else of it, but I can't afford it, I'm gonna take it.

      If you set too high a price point, you won't sell it. If your business model doesn't work, use another. It's not rocket science. It's economics.

      Think of it this way, is it easier to convince people to pay for your work, when the utility they gain from it will be less than that gained from something else at the same price point. Or is it easier to think smarter, and modernize your business model?

      If you're not smart enough to think about and realize this, then I'm not willing to ludicrously reduce my liberty, to compensate for your inadequacies.

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    216. Re:They asked for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see you haven't paid your licensing fee for using the alphabet. Please send me a cheque or money order for $700 for a limited lifetime non-transferable licence for alphabet use.

    217. Re:They asked for it by clifyt · · Score: 1

      "Have you ever worked in the music industry before? Do you know what actually happens when a song is produced? Or the amount of money the artist makes?"

      Ummm...yeah. Have you?

      I thought I was pretty clear about that in my second sentence. My own band didn't do as well as I would have liked, but I actually made money on it because I read my contracts and negotiated.

      Weird thing about these contracts...I was always reminded that it is the music INDUSTRY. I've had the same contract thrown in front of me that friends that were much more successful were given. The difference? I actually read it. And then I gave it to my lawyer who also read it. And I had a lawyer that I selected...not one provided to me. I.e., if you were in a lawsuit with a neighbor, would you act on his suggestion to take a lawyer he picked or would you find one on your own? Simple choice to me.

      And funny thing was, I didn't act like a diva, I simply gave back the contract, they came back a few days later saying they would accept some changes and denied others. Decided I was satisfied with this as I asked for far more than I knew I would get...just like they did when they gave me the contract. It was actually pretty clinical...no emotions at all.

      Our album pretty much failed...a lot of this fell on me as the label was pressuring the band and I got sick of trying to keep with the original plan and let the rest of the guys take over (except when it affected my credit...things like singer wanted to put his own spin on my lyrics, which I wasn't having). Again, I made some money on this...I don't think the other guys did so well, yet when I've seen them, they are quick to blame the industry as opposed to their need for short term gain over the long term.

      Beyond that, I've been a hired gun, a writer, and a reluctant manager (I stood in this role for a former star who I thought could do it again, and he did). Some of these roles, I've taken points...yes, as technical staff, I was paid for performance. I've also done the writing as a 'for-hire' basis where I was paid up front and even signed away attribution. Generally these are the other way around.

      Point is, you don't know how people are being paid. You don't know who is owed money for every album sold. You don't know if the artist screaming that they got ripped off spent his advance on blow and didn't realize it was only a loan that was to be repaid (*NEVER NEVER NEVER* take an advance!) Most of what people have to say about the industry is generally one sided from someone who needs to make a point (on either side).

      I have no need...these days, I don't care about the industry...I got away because I wanted to see music artistically again, and not something done because of the bank account. Currently, finishing a graduate degree in psychology and studying for the MCAT. The closest I get to the industry now is running a forum for pros (mostly Kurzweil synths and Apple's Logic recording software)...and even that doesn't get the attention I wish I could give.

      This is probably more than I really wished to say on Slashdot...

    218. Re:They asked for it by ae1294 · · Score: 1

      >You're paid to create it, are you not? In which case your employer owns it. When I do web development of some kind, my client, my employer, is given the copyright. When I do development of products to sell myself, I retain the copyright.

      That is correct, and artist work for the MPAA and/or RIAA by proxy of some big production company and thus my point still stands...

      >Because they are paid to create it. If you wish to have copyright on your creations, don't work for somebody else.

      Sorry, still no change..

      >If you are seriously equating being paid to do something, and thus surrendering copyright on it, and doing it yourself and retaining the copyright, I would hope you would never work for a company I do business with: because you are incompetent.

      He shoots and he scores... Yes you're right I am really totally incompetent which is why I install windows ME on every computer I can find. I get off on it because it's better...

      Regardless of your silly non-sense as I have already stated I don't care about your copyright.. Most people in the world don't care. Hell It might be totally immoral and wrong but I take my queues from big business and how they make money now days. They sure aren't honest or provide what they say or offer you a warranty now do they?.

      If you read half the stuff up on /. you will notice that people are murdered by big pharm and nothing is done, ripped off when they BUY digital music because of its DRM that requires a server to exist for "the rest of time" or god forbid sony is involved with their secret rootkit. Did you spend a bunch of money for a ebook reader because it has text to speech? Ahh Nope sorry, magically gets turned off.. Do you have a reason why text to speak is so dangerous that it needs to be disabled? I sure don't...

      Heck, I still remember when the big deal with DVDs was you could skip ahead with no waiting for the tape... WOW, that's totally not true now is it. I also remember when I was told that CDs would last 100 years but hey CDs from the 80s are going bad due to disk rot...

      When these companies play fair I will too...
      ae

    219. Re:They asked for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not so fast.

      Good engineers and producers frequently take points (as in percentage points) on albums they work on. So, they are expecting a bit of the sales back.

    220. Re:They asked for it by Joe+Tie. · · Score: 1

      You're being modded funny, but that's actually been a very real issue I've struggled with. I don't like drm. I hate knowing that there's a good chance the 200 or so books I've bought on the kindle could fade in a cloud of smoke one day. But the ebook market is so small right now that I feel like I have to vote with my wallet to show people that there actually are people that will pay for ebooks. My hope, is that once that message is out we can move on to getting away from the drm. Ironically, a bit like what happened with apple and amazon on their online stores with digital audio.

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    221. Re:They asked for it by dcollins117 · · Score: 1

      You do realize this is Slashdot, right? It isn't wikipedia. So no, a citation is not needed.

    222. Re:They asked for it by Joe+Tie. · · Score: 1

      I'm in my 20s and I consider it annoying. Though I think in large part simply because it's a joke that I've heard told to death my entire life. Microsoft for a lot of us has never been anything but a giant money obsessed corp that shit on its customers. Tired jokes about something as obvious as water being wet are annoying.

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    223. Re:They asked for it by Darby · · Score: 1

      In fact, when Ronald Reagan was running for President back in 1980 I remember him saying capitalism did not guarantee anyone the right to succeed, it guaranteed them the right to fail. I never forgot that.

      Do you remember how he actually spent his terms in office making sure that scumbags were guaranteed massive profits off of the public tit? How he led the largest growth of the US government in history breaking FDR's record and being surpassed by Bush2? Please tell me that you remember the Central American death squad training camps he funded? Selling crack to buy guns for Osama bin Laden?

      A quote is just a quote, and if you found it inspirational, great. As a citizen, it is your responsibility to know and understand that Reagan was lying through his teeth for the purpose of fucking us all, and he certainly didn't believe a word of that. It might be what "capitalism" means, but if so, then capitalism is not at all what Reagan ever supported.

      So in fantasy land, your quote might have meaning. In reality, well, that's not how things work around here.

    224. Re:They asked for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And nothing of value was lost.

    225. Re:They asked for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree. Since piracy will never be truly stopped, you should all just stop producing content, and get other jobs. You obviously don't love creating your product, and you're obviously being mistreated. Either the world will realize the error of its ways because your irreplaceable content will be missed, or the world will weep for the loss of your contribution for at least a second, and some else will replace you. If you excuse me, I'm going to go put some money down on the later, if I can find anyone dumb enough to take the action.

    226. Re:They asked for it by Killjoy_NL · · Score: 1

      You are a very noble man, my hat goes off to you.

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    227. Re:They asked for it by Crayon+Kid · · Score: 1

      Sure you break copyright law when you download.

      Not necessarily. I think the media brainwash has taken effect to *some* degree, if people are starting to think like this. There are still countries where the act of downloading ie. obtaining material in breach of copyright, is not criminalized in any way. It is permitted, since it is recognized that doing otherwise would be STUPID, because otherwise I could offer the lot of you a link to something that breaks copyright (a picture taken from a another site and posted somewhere) and you'd all be breaking the law, wouldn't you.

      Even more, in some places people are also allowed by law to share any materials (intellectual products) with close friends and family.

      Basically, it is the act of distributing (uploading) that is criminalized, and it is the ones who upload who are guilty under such laws. If you get an illegal copy, even if you know it's illegal and you actively search for it, you're not guilty, whoever gave it to you is. So the above should read "sure you break the law when you upload".

      I'm not very familiar with the US law, but I thought it once had something called "fair use".

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    228. Re:They asked for it by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      I bought the "in-store" album too, for the artwork. It's the same reason why I bought all of their previous albums, too. AEnimas' artwork is fantastic.

      If I'd have said that earlier, we wouldn't have gotten the comments above. I'm all for moot debate, if it brings about enlightenment or progress.

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    229. Re:They asked for it by phayes · · Score: 1

      As I've said elsewhere, I, and many like me do not consider it to be a joke but a well considered judgment and reminder of their morally corrupt business practices.

      I do not believe that the leopard has changed it's spots & given the fleeting timespan of much of the public, continuing to use pejorative terms for these companies is more important now than it was when you were a teen. That you thought the terms were "ha ha" funny & now think that they are tired is part of the problem.

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    230. Re:They asked for it by Mr2001 · · Score: 1

      He has not earned the right to derive utility (enjoyment) from a pirated product.

      He "earned the right" to run programs on his computer when he bought the computer. That's the only right he needs. It's his computer, he can feed whatever data he wants into it.

      You pro-piracy folks love to trot out "well, if he wasn't going to buy it anyway, who cares?"--well, turn it around. If he wasn't going to buy it, why should he gain a benefit from it? "Because it hurts no one" is a laughable excuse.

      I'm sorry you don't like it, but it's a perfectly good response. It doesn't hurt anyone.

      Scenario A: Adobe doesn't get paid. I don't use Photoshop.

      Scenario B: Adobe doesn't get paid. I use Photoshop.

      What advantage does Scenario B have for anyone? It's the same for Adobe, and worse for me. Tie-lose!

      You've posted all over this thread urging people to choose an option that's objectively worse. Doesn't that tell you something about the logic of your position?

      Piracy encourages further piracy (the "everyone's doing it" effect), which, even if he "wasn't going to buy it anyway", may induce somebody who would have to pirate it instead.

      No, the cat's already out of the bag. Pirates don't do it because of peer pressure. Copyright is unenforceable and morally dubious; pirated software is cheaper, more convenient, and sometimes even more functional... what more inducement do you think people need?

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    231. Re:They asked for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      he doesn't need the money anyway.

      learn to swim

    232. Re:They asked for it by brkello · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, but that is just really poor logic on your part.

      First, do more people actually feel that copyright is unjust than those who don't? You can't get a good idea on Slashdot since we represent a highly skewed group. Most people don't care about copyright and buy things legitimately. So now they are a minority, does that make them wrong?

      Second, just because a majority thinks something is unjust, doesn't make them correct. A majority of people still wanted to have slaves. Slavery, I hope we can agree, is wrong no matter how many people in a Republic or otherwise tries to tell you it is right.

      Fact of the matter is, piracy is wrong. You can come up with as much whines and cries about the laws as you want to make yourself feel better about pirating, but that's all your are doing, making up justifications to do something that is wrong and illegal. Why is it wrong? Because you are denying someone compensation for their work. You may not like how it is all distributed, but you don't have a right to screw these people over.

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    233. Re:They asked for it by brkello · · Score: 1

      That is a legitimate point. And there are certainly trustworthy pirates. But people on Slashdot largely ignore the fact that there are plenty of pirates out there that would be happy if you gave them a backdoor in to your machine. It is bizarre to me how Slashdot condemns people who open up e-mail attachments, but encourages you download from pirates. It isn't a rational argument.

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    234. Re:They asked for it by teh_chrizzle · · Score: 1
      It has little to do with working better and more to do with people not having to pay for stuff and little chance of getting caught or punished. Copyright laws may be flawed, but they are not completely unjust. The people who use things without paying their fair share are the unjust ones...not rebels against an unfair law.

      yeah right. piracy is always about getting shit for free. we are all a bunch of cheap bastards who steal things, end of discussion.

      pirated copies are always a superior product because you can do whatever you want with them. the media market has failed consistently to deliver a product that is on par with that which is available on bit torrent. i never have to worry if a file will play in my media player. i never have to worry that i can't make a CD or DVD. i never have to worry that my backup copies will not work if they don't talk to the mothership on a regular basis. i never have to worry that my new laptop will take me over the arbitrary number of computers that are permitted to play/watch/listen to a given file.

      also, pirated copies are more plentiful. i have torrented stuff that isn't available in a store, on itunes, or anywhere else. how in the world are you going to digitize everything that was ever made and make it easily searchable and quickly downloaded? there is no way a company could do that profitably even if the licensing and permissions problem was handled. it has to be done by volunteers who to donate time, bandwidth, and indexing effort because that is the only way that works.

      I find it a bit ironic you trust pirates of all people to deliver you a product free of root kits and trojans.

      you're goddamn right i trust pirates more than media conglomerates. piracy is a meritocracy. only the good stuff gets seeded and the bad stuff dies on the vine. viruses, rootkits, spam, and other bullshit just fades into oblivion because no one will seed it. there is plenty of transparency in piracy (just read the comments for the torrent before you download it) and there is no transparency at all with media corporations.

      also, piracy has more longevity than anything else. how many people bought yahoo music and got screwed with yahoo shut down it's DRM servers? MS did the same thing. what happens when amazon pulls the plug on it's ebooks or apple terminates your itunes authorizations? on the piracy side, shutting down sites and services only makes the system more fault tolerant. the only way to be sure that your media files will always be available is to pirate them.

      so you can waste your breath railing away against piracy, but it cannot be stopped. you can declare it wrong, or call it stealing, or say it funds terrorism or whatever but stopping it is impossible. all the DRM in the world can't stop it. all the laws in the world can't put an end to it. unless you are willing to go house to house and shoot people, there is no way to prevent it.

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    235. Re:They asked for it by shaitand · · Score: 1

      When the people and the aristocrats that are their representatives disagree (for instance because the representatives are being lobbied by billion dollar corporations and ignoring the fact that their first obligation is to the people) civil disobedience is a proven and valid form of protest.

      If you disagree I suggest you speak to the likes of the founding fathers, Rosa Parks, Martin Luther King Jr., the actors guild, THE MOVIE AND MUSIC INDUSTRIES, Gandhi, and many american heros who have used this form of protest to shape our nation and the world.

      Civil disobedience doesn't work overnight but in time when no other means is available it represents a valid way for the people to make their displeasure known and effect a change in the law.

  3. We need a "sensationalist" tag by Nimey · · Score: 2, Insightful

    for when we vote stories down. "Stupid" kinda works, but IMO it's not specific enough.

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    1. Re:We need a "sensationalist" tag by Manip · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Is it sensationalist? Perhaps.
      But are people who struggle to read being hurt by it? Yes.

      But I'm sure to 95% of the population "those" people aren't important.

    2. Re:We need a "sensationalist" tag by tolan-b · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You don't think that having functionality removed from something you've bought, after the fact, is a problem?

    3. Re:We need a "sensationalist" tag by Captain+Spam · · Score: 5, Funny

      Do we need a "sensationalist" tag? Is CmdrTaco abusing his power as editor? What's stopping him from using these powers to spy on your Slashdot viewing habits? Will he kill your family and steal your very soul through your nose? And what about his wife? Why don't we ever hear about her? What's she got to hide?

      All very suspicious. Terrifying, you might say...

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    4. Re:We need a "sensationalist" tag by ukyoCE · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's a great point, and really drives to the heart of the problem with this stuff. Someone needs to start suing for misleading advertising, whatever laws cover that.

      I'm sure they have a TOS that says they can come by and bang your mom whenever they want, but hopefully the courts will call BS on that.

      To be somewhat fair to Amazon (and Apple, and so on) they're not exactly the boogeymen here. Obviously Amazon thinks automated text-to-speech isn't a "performance" and should be included and allowed in all works. But the content owners are saying "disable text to speech or we pull our works". Just like the music labels with DRM.

      We know for a fact that the content owner's are serious - they think they have a monopoly, and would rather make their content unavailable than to make it available in the form customers want.

      Perhaps Amazon is even sitting back praying that a customer will sue them for disabling/removing text-to-speech so that they can point their finger at a court when telling the publishers "We can't disable text to speech".

    5. Re:We need a "sensationalist" tag by omglolbah · · Score: 1

      Apple got torn a new arsehole over that sort of thing in Norway with regard to changing terms after a sale of music.
      I would love tos ee them try this kind of BS in norway .

    6. Re:We need a "sensationalist" tag by sjames · · Score: 1

      It should be considered to be theft on a massive scale. What else would we call it when A deprives B of something that they paid for fair and square?

      What do we do with thieves? Toss them in jail and then permanently damage their ability to profit from their labor (by denying them employment).

      Do we consider it a crime for the rightful owner to take back their property (in this case the right to listen to the ebooks using text to speech) either openly or by stealth? No, we don't.

      As for the author's Guild's claim that text to speech is a substantial value add, perhaps it is, but THEY did not add that value so why should they expect compensation for it? Amazon and kindle already received the compensation in the form of more people being willing to buy the product at the offered price.

    7. Re:We need a "sensationalist" tag by dnormant · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This story was important to me. My wife wants to buy one of these and as long as stories like this come out I'll encourage her to buy the paper copies.

      In my house this isn't sensationalist, it's a story about DRM and Amazons growing use of it.

    8. Re:We need a "sensationalist" tag by Ephemeriis · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You don't think that having functionality removed from something you've bought, after the fact, is a problem?

      This is the big issue for me.

      Say I'm shopping for a new toaster. There's all sorts of toasters on the market, lots of good models to choose from. Ultimately I decide to buy one specifically because it has a built-in bagel slicer... But not just any bagel slicer - it's some kind of high-powered laser bagel slicer.

      But, after I buy the thing, lawsuits start cropping up. Kids are sticking their fingers in the thing and getting them sliced off. Traditionally manufacturers have done a recall if something like this happened... Or issued a warning... Or designed new packaging that indicates it isn't kid-safe... Or redesigned the product so that kids can't stick their fingers in it...

      Not anymore though. These days they'd just send the kill signal and disable the laser bagel slicer. Suddenly my toaster, which I bought specifically for the bagel slicer, has no bagel slicer.

      A key feature that made me buy that product, instead of another, is gone. A feature that may have made one product cost more than another, is gone. A feature that I liked and used, is gone.

      I definitely have a problem with that.

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    9. Re:We need a "sensationalist" tag by Danse · · Score: 4, Informative

      It should be considered to be theft on a massive scale. What else would we call it when A deprives B of something that they paid for fair and square?

      The problem with "buying" digital content these days is that the only way you can legally purchase it is by agreeing to 50 pages of legalese that basically strip you of any rights you could possibly have with regard to the information you're buying. Thus, you are giving them money without any assurance that you'll actually be able to make any use of what you're buying. Nice racket they've got going, huh?

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    10. Re:We need a "sensationalist" tag by coolsnowmen · · Score: 1

      Did apple ever have to pay anything? Or were they just in trouble?
      http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090204/1723223648.shtml

      My search of "apple norway 'new arsehole'" didn't bring up what I wanted.

    11. Re:We need a "sensationalist" tag by Big+Boss · · Score: 1

      And yet, they wonder why people prefer to download stuff. sigh....

    12. Re:We need a "sensationalist" tag by Spazztastic · · Score: 1

      What is this speak of bagel slicers? Where is my car analogy?!

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    13. Re:We need a "sensationalist" tag by Spatial · · Score: 1

      I drive a bagel slicer to work.

      I also mount them on my sharks.

    14. Re:We need a "sensationalist" tag by jank1887 · · Score: 1

      no, she really doesn't mind.

    15. Re:We need a "sensationalist" tag by Nimey · · Score: 1

      It's damned well sensationalistic, and that's completely orthogonal to whether or not the story itself is important.

      I can't speak for you lot, but I'd rather not read a high-tech version of Fox News.

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    16. Re:We need a "sensationalist" tag by omglolbah · · Score: 1

      They changed their terms of sale to not include the clause of being able to change the terms after the sale.

    17. Re:We need a "sensationalist" tag by crabboy.com · · Score: 1

      hopefully the courts will call BS on that.

      How about rather than hoping the courts legislate from the bench you get a hold of your senator and/or congressman?

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    18. Re:We need a "sensationalist" tag by shaitand · · Score: 1

      I just use an old palm or my laptop and pirate the books from usenet. Lots of books to choose from although not great if you wife reads the latest just released crime novels and such.

    19. Re:We need a "sensationalist" tag by lennier · · Score: 1

      "I drive a bagel slicer to work."

      You must have interesting parking stories.

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    20. Re:We need a "sensationalist" tag by syousef · · Score: 1

      You don't think that having functionality removed from something you've bought, after the fact, is a problem?

      Removing a feature after the fact is just a classic bait and switch with a time delay via digital delivery. I don't even know how this is legal.

      This is why I don't trust any device or software product if I can't switch of it's phone home feature.

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    21. Re:We need a "sensationalist" tag by Kagura · · Score: 1

      I just bought a Kindle 2 (not the DX, that's too big for reading just "book books"). I'm very, very satisfied with it, and although I'm still in the honeymoon stage with it, I can tell I would have never come close to reading this much if I hadn't bought it. If your wife is interested in it right now, then she WILL like it when she buys it or it's bought for her. It's a very, very well-designed system and the screen is amazingly just like printed text on paper. I'm just worried about what's going to happen to the poor thing when I take it to Iraq in a little while. :)

  4. tags are in the books by sgt+scrub · · Score: 2, Funny

    Unless they upload a replacement, the book would have to have all the possible tags attached. I'm assuming the books are on the device itself. Obviously, I don't know enough about the Kindle2.

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    1. Re:tags are in the books by wstrucke · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is a law suit waiting to happen if there is no disclosure that the books will have these "flags" at the time of purchase.

    2. Re:tags are in the books by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is a law suit waiting to happen if there is no disclosure that the books will have these "flags" at the time of purchase.

      Big fucking deal. If history is any guide, the affected consumers will get a credit for $0.99 off their next purchase from Amazon while the law firm who initiated the lawsuit will walk away with millions. Amazon will just write it off as a cost of doing business and go right on screwing their customers, albeit this time with a disclaimer about the DRM flags clearly displayed in a 2pt font.

      Call me cynical.....

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    3. Re:tags are in the books by dfay · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Don't worry, I'm sure there is something about it buried in the 20 page license agreement.

    4. Re:tags are in the books by jgtg32a · · Score: 5, Funny

      You sound like an optimist to me

    5. Re:tags are in the books by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well, in the case of a class action that might be true. the law firm will spend thousands of hours bringing the case to fruition. the average consumer will have spent $8 on an ebook. that sounds proportional to me. if it wasn't profitable for the law firms to bring class action lawsuits there wouldn't be any.

    6. Re:tags are in the books by sciencewhiz · · Score: 4, Informative
      Do you really think Amazon would be that stupid? Once again, a sensationalist story is posted without proper fact checking. From the Kindle DX Product Page

      Kindle DX can read to you. With its Text-to-Speech feature, Kindle DX can read books, blogs, magazines, and newspapers out loud to you, unless the book's rights holder made the feature unavailable.

    7. Re:tags are in the books by JackARot · · Score: 1

      If history is any guide, the affected consumers will get a credit for $0.99 off their next purchase from Amazon while the law firm who initiated the lawsuit will walk away with millions.

      Considering in most of these big class actions that the law firms invest probably millions of dollars in the case it's only fair that they get equitably compensated.

    8. Re:tags are in the books by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      If you don't like how class action lawsuits work then don't take part, pay your own lawyers (or represent yourself) in your own case against the other party - and reap all the reward yourself. Oh, and take all the risk yourself too - people seem to conveniently forget that the 'class' in a 'class action' rarely take any of the risk of the lawsuit onboard themselves, while their lawyers do.

    9. Re:tags are in the books by ukyoCE · · Score: 4, Insightful

      AFAIK Amazon clearly wants to have text-to-speech enabled for all books. It's the publishers (and their threat to remove works if speech is enabled) you should be mad at. Amazon is trying their damnedest to make a compelling ebook product, and like Apple with iTunes, trying to drag the publisher's kicking and screaming onto the internet.

      Like music, I expect once the market is there, people will demand the functionality (or pirate for it, or sue for it) and it will become commonplace.

      If Amazon took a high and mighty moral stand, they would just be killing the market (and their own business opportunity) and letting another eBook maker who WILL compromise their morals take over the market.

      At least we know Amazon is trying to open things up as much as they can.

    10. Re:tags are in the books by jedidiah · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yes. Great point.

      If you have something against class action lawsuits or "ambulance
      chasers" then feel free to have this stuff litigated on your own
      dime. You will be paying something on the order of $200/hr - $500/hr
      minimum and there will be lots of labor involved.

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    11. Re:tags are in the books by Option1 · · Score: 1

      You're a cynic.

      Or maybe just a realist.

      Neil

    12. Re:tags are in the books by drinkypoo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      AFAIK Amazon clearly wants to have text-to-speech enabled for all books. It's the publishers (and their threat to remove works if speech is enabled) you should be mad at.

      If Amazon wants us to direct our ire towards the publishers, then they should have come clean about these flags before selling the Kindle. Except, wait... then it would have flopped, and hard. Instead, they pulled a bait and switch fraud on their customers.

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    13. Re:tags are in the books by Danse · · Score: 1

      If you don't like how class action lawsuits work then don't take part, pay your own lawyers (or represent yourself) in your own case against the other party - and reap all the reward yourself. Oh, and take all the risk yourself too - people seem to conveniently forget that the 'class' in a 'class action' rarely take any of the risk of the lawsuit onboard themselves, while their lawyers do.

      What do you expect in a system designed by lawyers? The only way to redress a wrong is through lawyers, so the lawyers will always win.

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    14. Re:tags are in the books by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AND prevent them for doing that shit again, as you can be sure if they continue, the next law suit would have a precedent to fall on. and repetitive judgement doesnt get cheaper.

      Contempt of court anyone?

    15. Re:tags are in the books by scienceprogrammer · · Score: 0
      Why doesn't someone look at the source? It is a linux kernel. Not me though, I have a sony 505, and I'm too lazy to care.

      Also, Amazon better watch out, when the creater of the glare free screen for the olpc comes out with her changable epaper/lcd screen for netbooks who will want an ereader anyway.

    16. Re:tags are in the books by xouumalperxe · · Score: 1

      What do you expect in a system designed by lawyers? The only way to redress a wrong is through lawyers, so the lawyers will always win.

      And if you want to argue in court that an engineer fucked up designing your house (and that's why it fell), you'll need another engineer to argue that the design was broken. And if you want to sue a doctor for malpractice, you need some other doctor to state that the defendant was in the wrong. And (...).

      You need an expert to do expert work for you. Oh noes! It's a conspiracy created to promote [expert's class]'s own interests.

    17. Re:tags are in the books by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 1

      Not the case ; the eBooks in question are probably encrypted and signed which means they can be identified unambiguously. So all you need is a "block list" of SHA-1 hashes of which eBooks a particular feature is disabled for. Since hashes are 128-bit numbers (16 bytes) you can have relatively large lists without consuming too much memory, and update them quickly over the cellular connection in the Kindle, so you could easily disable any feature for which the firmware has a stop-flag provision, for any book, at any time, on update.

    18. Re:tags are in the books by anss123 · · Score: 1

      If Amazon wants us to direct our ire towards the publishers, then they should have come clean about these flags before selling the Kindle. Except, wait... then it would have flopped, and hard. Instead, they pulled a bait and switch fraud on their customers.

      I don't own a Kindle but I distinctly recall this issue being reported on before. In fact... on this site: http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/02/28/0127236

    19. Re:tags are in the books by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I don't own a Kindle but I distinctly recall this issue being reported on before. In fact... on this site:

      Oh good, I'm glad it was reported on Slashdot. That makes everything all right then. Carry on!

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    20. Re:tags are in the books by ukyoCE · · Score: 1

      Yeah, as another poster pointed out, and as I implied in some other post on this thread, this was almost certainly in the TOS/EULA, but obviously not exactly advertised when the Kindle was released.

      I'm hoping someone sues and the courts rule in favor of requiring clearly broadcast notification if some content might have features removed (and some sort of notification WHEN its removed).

      I may suck for Amazon short term, but in the end they'll get what they want (a big fat lawsuit to point to when telling publishers they won't disable TTS), consumers will get what they want (all content will allow TTS), and publishers will get what they need (a digital kick in the pants to make them stop killing off their own medium).

      It's sad that publishers and content owners continue to piss and moan about vendors wanting to encourage consumers to buy and use their content.

      And comparing automated TTS to audio books is a complete farce.

    21. Re:tags are in the books by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, because even though only a small percentage of users actually care about TTS, we all would have declined to purchase it out of solidarity. That's how it usually works right?

      Don't get me wrong. I think it's a poor market choice, but let's not overstate it's significance.

      For the record, if you go to Amazon's site and look at the page for the kindle, it explicitly says the read to me feature can be disabled by the publisher if they don't want it available for that book, so they aren't exactly trying to hide it.

    22. Re:tags are in the books by Danse · · Score: 1

      What do you expect in a system designed by lawyers? The only way to redress a wrong is through lawyers, so the lawyers will always win.

      And if you want to argue in court that an engineer fucked up designing your house (and that's why it fell), you'll need another engineer to argue that the design was broken. And if you want to sue a doctor for malpractice, you need some other doctor to state that the defendant was in the wrong. And (...).

      You need an expert to do expert work for you. Oh noes! It's a conspiracy created to promote [expert's class]'s own interests.

      When the only way a citizen can have a chance to redress a wrong is to pay through the nose for an expert to represent them, something is severely fucked up. Our legal system is so convoluted that you have to go to school for years of intensive study to have a real chance to navigate it successfully. It was made this way by lawyers, and lawyers are the ones that benefit from the situation.

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    23. Re:tags are in the books by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know about bait and switch. Every add for the Kindle 2 I've seen mentioned that Text To Speech was a feature that publishers could opt out of.

    24. Re:tags are in the books by shaitand · · Score: 1

      Is it just me or do we seem to have too many lawyers on slashdot?

      The lawyers take the same risk as if they had one client in a class action suit. Their clients are risking whatever they are entitled to for their wrongs which includes whatever millions the lawyers get. The other part of their risk is the damage itself, which the lawyers seem happy to ignore simply because it has already happened.

      The lawyers in turn invest a couple letters and a few hundred dollars in filings, the rest is simply their own time which they seriously overvalue. Because they want to minimize this 'risk' they will then take a settlement that screws their client and by doing so accept payment for NOT doing their job competently in the first place.

      If your client was screwed out of an $8 book and you walk away with less than $8 of actual cash for the client plus legal fees for yourself then you have done your client a disservice.

    25. Re:tags are in the books by shaitand · · Score: 1

      Where does it say that the books rights holder can retroactively make it unavailable?

    26. Re:tags are in the books by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess my main complaint would be the remote disable - it's one thing to post up front when you buy a book that TTS is not available on this title, but disabling it after the fact is an implicit reduction in the value of the ebook.

    27. Re:tags are in the books by Brandee07 · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure how the TTS disabling works, but in terms of the Kindle removing whole books, it works like this, from lots of observation:

      -User Kindle connects to Whispernet. (It does not connect itself periodically, nor does it shut down if unable to phone home after so many months.)

      -Kindle compares all Amazon-purchased books in its memory to all books registered to that account on the server, and updates last page read, notes, and bookmarks (these can be disabled- notes and page syncing does not work for non-Amazon books).

      -If a book is found that is not registered to that account, but DRMed, it is deleted. (If you remove your Kindle from the account, all books stay and are readable, even if you turn whispernet on- it has no account to compare to. If you register the Kindle to a different account, all Amazon books dissapear the first time you turn on whispernet, but are readable prior to that point.)

      So, I imagine that any TTS disabled books will update themselves the next time that Kindle connects to Whispernet. If a buyer has a TTS disabled book but bought it anytime before it was disabled, and has not connected to Whispernet, it should not know about the TTS update. This, unfortunately, is all theory, because the only TTS disabled book I have wasn't very good, so I deleted it from my Kindle's memory months ago.

      I presume the TTS flag was added in the most recent Kindle software update, which came out a few weeks ago.

    28. Re:tags are in the books by Brandee07 · · Score: 1

      They have statements about TTS on disabled books on the book pages on Amazon.com now, right below the pricing.

      The real problem is for people who bought books before the TTS was disabled and now have less than they paid for.

    29. Re:tags are in the books by Brandee07 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, as another poster pointed out, and as I implied in some other post on this thread, this was almost certainly in the TOS/EULA, but obviously not exactly advertised when the Kindle was released.

      Actually, they advertised TTS on ALL books, and their TOS said nothing about disabling it. I actually did read the TOS, too. They changed the TOS after the Author's Guild raised a stink, which was covered here on /.

      I'm honestly surprised this is getting the reaction it is, considering that's it's not a surprise to anyone. They said they would, and now they did.

      And comparing automated TTS to audio books is a complete farce.

      There's nothing quite like an automated voice trying to tackle Elvish. I probably would have been offended at how bad it was, if it wasn't so hilarious.

    30. Re:tags are in the books by geekoid · · Score: 1

      But in this case the courts can order them to remove the flag from the books, giving people what they paid for, and be given an order never to use it again.
      No money out of Amazons pocket, and everyone ends up with what they paid for.

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    31. Re:tags are in the books by geekoid · · Score: 1

      And the only way to build a bridge is to get engineers, so the engineers always win.
      Do you ahve anything insightful to add? or just more nonsense?

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    32. Re:tags are in the books by geekoid · · Score: 1

      True, but the publisher should still be held to the fire for this crap as well.

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    33. Re:tags are in the books by couchslug · · Score: 1

      "At least we know Amazon is trying to open things up as much as they can."

      They could have made their product conveniently hackable.

      Mechanical example:
      In the ancient days of carburetors, mixture adjustment screws were preset at the factory then blocked with a plug or fitted with a cover. This satisfied the government, and owners or mechanics could simply remove the obstruction when useful for tuning.

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    34. Re:tags are in the books by breeze95 · · Score: 1

      AFAIK Amazon clearly wants to have text-to-speech enabled for all books. It's the publishers (and their threat to remove works if speech is enabled) you should be mad at.

      If Amazon wants us to direct our ire towards the publishers, then they should have come clean about these flags before selling the Kindle. Except, wait... then it would have flopped, and hard. Instead, they pulled a bait and switch fraud on their customers.

      Actually Amazon has come clean about that. If you go to Amazon's website and read the features dealing with text to speech of the Kindle it says that the rights holders may disable that function. As a matter of fact I pasted a part of their description of the text to speech feature of the Kindle DX.
      "Kindle DX can read to you. With its Text-to-Speech feature, Kindle DX can read books, blogs, magazines, and newspapers out loud to you, unless the book's rights holder made the feature unavailable."

    35. Re:tags are in the books by Darby · · Score: 1

      You need an expert to do expert work for you. Oh noes! It's a conspiracy created to promote [expert's class]'s own interests.

      Your "argument" might work if we were talking about architecture, construction, engineering or any of a million other fields. That isn't the topic under discussion. We're talking about the basis of the legal system. You can not avoid involvement in that, and so the fact that lawyers rig it to their own benefit is different in a very critical way from any of the examples you gave and almost any other example you could possibly come up with.

      Your objection is specious, ignorant, and completely irrelevant to...well, anything ,really.

      It doesn't have anything to do with a "conspiracy theory", it's a basic fact that barring specific restrictions in place to prevent it from occurring, people will act in what they see as their own best interests.
      You seem to feel that this would be a bizarre circumstance completely outside the normal realm of human experience. Given that this obviosuly isn't true, what would lead you to a conclusion so utterly divorced from reality?

    36. Re:tags are in the books by xouumalperxe · · Score: 1

      It doesn't have anything to do with a "conspiracy theory", it's a basic fact that barring specific restrictions in place to prevent it from occurring, people will act in what they see as their own best interests. You seem to feel that this would be a bizarre circumstance completely outside the normal realm of human experience. Given that this obviosuly isn't true, what would lead you to a conclusion so utterly divorced from reality?

      What I believe is that you're seeing malice in what can simply be ascribed to incompetence. I don't think a single /. regular can possibly not be familiar with the "Job insurance" anecdote, where some engineer comes up with a piece of machinery so obtuse that nobody else can figure out, yet so crucial that you can't afford to fire him. Yet I haven't actually heard of such a system in concrete terms. I've seen plenty of piss poor code, bass-ackwards architectures, you name it. But all of those are easily rationalized as inexperienced (or plain bad) coders, lack of forethought, etc. I fail to see why people involved in law are held to a different standard, whereby any failure to produce something that makes sense to you has to be the product of self-interest and malice, rather than plain old incompetence, blind acceptance of procedure and tradition, or many other such issues.

      There is also a bigger point at hand: Like you said, we're talking about a freaking legal system. The US legal system is based on a constitution over 200 years old, with 27 amendments, and you use a common law system, where rules are set by precedent. You have several systems that came into being separately, and were eventually merged (like equity and law). Of course it takes an expert to navigate these hurdles. It's not me who's being specious for assuming that a complex system that evolved over centuries was designed specifically to screw people over

    37. Re:tags are in the books by ukyoCE · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure if this would have fooled the content producers. It may even be stipulated in their contract that a hacked product (or one hacked to a certain degree of popularity) would result in fines or in content being pulled.

      We saw a similar scenario with iTunes DRM. At the same time Apple was trying to get more DRM-free music on iTunes, they had to keep attacking any hackers of the iTunes DRM.

      Likewise Nokia and other manufacturers who makes cell phones could care less about Verizon's obnoxious resctrictions. They want to be able to offer full cell phone functionality (like full bluetooth, custom ringtones) but Verizon says "no way". Nokia could "slip" and have a conveniently hackable Verizon phone. But it would likely be the last phone they made for Verizon, and a huge loss of revenue for Nokia.

      The exception here would be DVD players. They got away with "slipping" test codes to the public for region-free playback and other features. Potentially they might have had their license to create DVD-compatible players revoked, right? I'm not certain how exactly they got away with it.

      Perhaps the glut of DVD players on the market minimized the impact from a single version of a single player having a hack? Whereas iTunes and Kindle have huge market share (almost monopolies) and are under close scrutiny by their respective content industries.

    38. Re:tags are in the books by Darby · · Score: 1

      What I believe is that you're seeing malice in what can simply be ascribed to incompetence

      No, not at all. It doesn't take a special malicious intent, all it takes is self interest and a lack of regulation preventing that self interest from corrupting the system. Once you have those two pieces, then it is inevitable that things will slide downhill.

      I fail to see why people involved in law are held to a different standard,

      Because failure leads to an entirely different standard of disaster.

      whereby any failure to produce something that makes sense to you has to be the product of self-interest and malice, rather than plain old incompetence, blind acceptance of procedure and tradition, or many other such issues.

      I never said it had to be malice. The other things you list are irrelevant. It really doesn't matter in a specific case by case basis what extenuating circumstances led to a particularly stupid/sleazy/obtuse etc ruling to be put into place. It's the fact that it will inevitably happen *because* so many people like yourself refuse to hold lawyers and lawmakers to the higher standard that the damage they regularly cause makes essential.

      It's not me who's being specious for assuming that a complex system that evolved over centuries was designed specifically to screw people over

      I'm not assuming anything of the sort. I'm noticing the fact that in many cases, there were specific malicious decisions made with no consequences. Take the entirely malicious misinterpretation of the interstate commerce clause for a canonical example. There was nothing at all confusing about it, the court decided to grant the government massive new powers which were explicitly denied to it by the constitution. There has never existed a single good argument for doing this. It was purely malicious self-interest. That was one single event.

      You seem to be arguing against a strawman claiming the whole system was designed to screw people over when that isn't my point. It doesn't even make sense in the context of my point which is that self-interest will inevitably lead some people down the wrong path where they can cause massive damage. Preventative actions against said damage need to be proportional to the amount of damage that could be caused. Screwups in the legal system, for example the interstate commerce clause fiasco have had massively far reaching and massively damaging affects on our nation. Drug laws with the inevitable, predicted huge increase in violent crime, destruction of civil liberties, massive increase in prison population and zero benefits for society are only one of the problems that were caused by that one malicious self-interested event. No need to postulate some far out conspiracy theory as you have done, because the point stands perfectly well on its own without it.

    39. Re:tags are in the books by xouumalperxe · · Score: 1

      In my book both "lawyers rig it to their own benefit" and "all it takes is self interest and a lack of regulation preventing that self interest from corrupting the system" imply subverting the system, which is, in and of itself, malicious. Perhaps you're working with a narrower meaning of malice in mind.

      Either way, I now realize we're bickering over comparatively unimportant stuff: we agree that many laws are broken, and, in many ways, the very legal systems are broken, and should be fixed. I also fully agree that positions of responsibility entail higher standards than simpler jobs. What I meant by holding people to different standards was strictly in the sense of not jumping the gun on the malice card when you'd assume anyone else was just incompetent -- and I read into your comments the implication of malicious intent. (not that I think self-serving malice and corruption don't exist, I just don't believe they're the norm)

  5. Flags by captainboogerhead · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sometimes I wish Slashdot had a "baseless speculation" flag.

    1. Re:Flags by Reality+Master+201 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Clearly you're new here - the "baseless speculation" bit is implicitly set on all stories.

    2. Re:Flags by troc · · Score: 4, Funny

      From his UID, I'd say he was half as new as you :)

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    3. Re:Flags by jra · · Score: 1

      Damn, yours is even lower than mine. :-)

      (And, please, nobody chime in with "that's what she said"...)

    4. Re:Flags by gfreeman · · Score: 1

      You have no proof of that, hence it's merely baseless speculation.

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    5. Re:Flags by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some of us have been AC for over a decade now, you insensitive clod!

    6. Re:Flags by squiggly12 · · Score: 0

      *cough*that's what she said.*cough*

    7. Re:Flags by roninmagus · · Score: 1

      Beware the UID as it can be misleading... Me = signed up lurker

    8. Re:Flags by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 1

      Damn, yours is even lower than mine. :-)

      I emphatize

    9. Re:Flags by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      The do, but this isn't baseless so it wasn't triggered.

      Flags like that are part of the DRM concept at its core, so its only logical.

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    10. Re:Flags by Foehg · · Score: 1

      Wait, aren't these threads usually supposed to go in descending order?

    11. Re:Flags by sacherjj · · Score: 1

      Settle down, youngsters.

  6. The Flag That Cannot Be Named by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Funny

    But what no one at Amazon will discuss is what other flags are lurking in the Kindle format: is there a "read only once" flag?

    No. But there inside your home on your desk inside your kindle is a flag so vile, so full of hatred, so very <insert your opposing political party here> that when activated it will only let you read books from Oprah's Book Club.

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    1. Re:The Flag That Cannot Be Named by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Wow, I think you've just discovered the Eighth sign. If Oprah starts giving her viewers Kindles with free subs to and only to her book club, with an interstitial "are you sure you want to break with conformity" reminder page, it'll be time to look for her secret lair.

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    2. Re:The Flag That Cannot Be Named by Darby · · Score: 1

      it'll be time to look for her secret lair

      Dude, she lives in Chicago, IL. Have you been paying any attention to how we do things around here? No secret lair needed. Heck, I could point her lair out to you ;-)

  7. Hey, it's me pot! Over here with kettle! by its_schwim · · Score: 5, Funny

    Kindle: The iPhone of readers. Proprietary schemes rock.

    1. Re:Hey, it's me pot! Over here with kettle! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since you can get Kindle software for iPhone, wouldn't the iPhone be the iPhone of readers?

    2. Re:Hey, it's me pot! Over here with kettle! by ukyoCE · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Very astute of you to make the comparison between iTunes/iPod/iPhone creating the market for digital music and the resulting consumer demand that allowed them to drop DRM.

      It does indeed sound just like Amazon's Kindle creating the market for E-Books and the resulting consumer demand (and default of enabled) resulting in Text-To-Speech being standard on all E-Books and E-Book readers.

      ...

      Oh wait, or were you trying to say there's something wrong with the iPhone and Kindle?

    3. Re:Hey, it's me pot! Over here with kettle! by need4mospd · · Score: 1

      Hey, I heard you like iPhones, so I put an iPhone in your iPhone, so you can Kindle while you Kindle.

    4. Re:Hey, it's me pot! Over here with kettle! by Remus+Shepherd · · Score: 1

      I'm not worried about Kindle and Amazon dominating the reader market. It turns out that the iPhone (and iPod touch) is a pretty good ebook reader itself. Especially if you get the Stanza application, which uses non-proprietary formats like PDF and ePub, and can search for free books on a lot of sites that do not use DRM, such as Project Gutenberg. I tell you, Stanza is the best non-proprietary ebook application you can get. As long as there is this kind of competition, proprietary schemes are doomed to...

      What's that? Stanza was purchased by Amazon just a couple weeks ago?

      Oh.

      Nevermind, then.

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    5. Re:Hey, it's me pot! Over here with kettle! by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      The world of difference here is that, unlike iPhone, Kindle doesn't lock you into the Amazon Book Store. You can obtain books in free, open formats (such as .txt, and, for Kindle DX, .pdf), and freely upload them onto your Kindle for reading.

      The real problem isn't the lock-in - there's none - it's the scarcity of places that sell books in open formats and without DRM.

      Ironically, it's not a problem elsewhere - for example, in Russia, there are websites that sell ebooks in various non-DRM formats - TXT, HTML, RTF, FB2, PDF A4 and A6 (the latter fits 600x800 screen of Sony PRS perfectly), a bunch of proprietary e-reader formats such as LOT or RocketBook, and even as J2ME midlets (i.e. reader application with embedded text) to be used on Java-enabled cellphones.

      It is also absolutely legit (not even AllOfMP3-style "legit but smelly", but with full approval from the authors), usually 1.5-2x cheaper than the same paper books, and with a dozen payment methods (the traditional CC, but also e.g. pay-by-SMS). All purchased books are available for download for indefinite period of time (so you can re-download if you lose them).

      At the same time, Russian book publishers have gone pretty hard on book piracy on the Net. Combined with availability of cheap legit books on sites like the one I've linked to, it seems to work - it's hardly worth it to waste time to look for a pirated copy (when most of them are hammered by takedown notices and have to move around all the time), when you can get exactly what you want by paying (which is still less than paper book would cost you).

      So maybe the U.S. and European publishers have something to learn from that...

  8. TFA About Reading-Disabled Students by ancarett · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The article doesn't talk about the Kindle's other technological back doors at all, so colour me disappointed.

    Still, as a parent of an autistic child, I know how valuable the TTS function can be in our computer programs. As an author, I'm saddened that Amazon's rolled over on this for the publishers' and Author's Guild panic. TTS is not the same as an audiobook performance, nor does it have that possibility any time soon.

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    1. Re:TFA About Reading-Disabled Students by steelfood · · Score: 1

      Considering that some audio books aren't read well, perhaps there is real merit in the publishers fearing the TTS function. I'm not a reader of audio books, but I do have an anecdotal piece to offer as a reference.

      The scenario I see happening is that good audiobook readers will ask for more money, and publishers will dump them in favor of poor readers that charge less. And in such a situation where few to none of the audiobooks are read by good readers, I definitely see TTS as rivaling the publishers.

      Now I'm not saying this is justification for their actions, but it does explain why they're so threatened by the TTS feature.

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    2. Re:TFA About Reading-Disabled Students by BaileDelPepino · · Score: 2, Interesting

      TTS is not the same as an audiobook performance, nor does it have that possibility any time soon.

      For many intents and purposes, TTS *is* the same as an audiobook. Nobody really believes that TTS is actually copyright infringement; not even the folks in the book industry. They just know that eBook + TTS will compete with their audiobook offerings for the people who like to, say, listen to a book while they drive. Crying "copyright infringement!" is just the most convenient tool at their disposal to protect their bottom line. Now, I'm not saying that I'd be satisfied with a robotic voice croaking out the text of my book, but when faced with a choice between re-buying your content in audiobook format and letting HAL read to you for no additional cost, a lot of people will put up with HAL.

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    3. Re:TFA About Reading-Disabled Students by Repossessed · · Score: 2, Informative

      The government agrees with you here, which is why there is an exception to the DMCA act for the purpose of enabling TTS.

      Amazon allowing this flag to be switched creates a very real problem for them when it comes time to go after any DRM crackers who are bright enough to claim their tools are only meant for enabling TTS.

      http://www.copyright.gov/1201/2006/index.html - reference

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    4. Re:TFA About Reading-Disabled Students by Kiralan · · Score: 1

      I wonder how many people buy it for a relative/friend who is vision-impaired? Does that exception exist in the DMCA? What about ADA? Also, it seems that this would be a very bad P/R point against Amazon and Random House?

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    5. Re:TFA About Reading-Disabled Students by jank1887 · · Score: 1

      Do titles without TTS functionality make it unmistakably clear prior to purchase? What if you bought one where it worked, then one day it stopped working (i.e., the Random House remote disabling), thus devaluing your product after payment based on expectation of function?

      They are essentially devaluing your product in a way that was deceptive if they did not make such behavior clear up front. That would seem to warrant some sort of consumer recourse. (money back for any disabled book, etc.) Obviously you should be able to get your money back for any book you buy from now on that was not clearly labeled as 'non-TTS' but was in fact so flagged.

    6. Re:TFA About Reading-Disabled Students by cdrguru · · Score: 1

      The Kindle TTS isn't quite as good as a professional voice talent reading a book. However, that costs lots of money to do and requires lots of human time. Recording a TTS system reading a book is good enough for quite a few of the people that are interested in an audio book.

      Just a guess here, but you take a new "popular" book title and record a Kindle reading it. Then put that on CDs and sell it and I suspect you will get more than a few sales. Make it available as a bunch of downloadable files for MP3 players and you'll sell some more.

      No, it isn't quite as good as the professional voice talent. But it is good enough for lots of people that want access to the material in their car or elsewhere where reading isn't practical. What the Kindle makes possible is (a) rapid access to newly released books and (b) TTS that can easily be recorded into an audio book form WITHOUT the need for a human. It is perfectly within reach of any Kindle owner to do this and make a mockery of the ability for Audible (or anyone else) to release an audio book of the same material. Sure they might be able to have a better one, but not a cheaper or quicker one.

      Do you have any doubt that this could be a concern for someone intent upon selling the audio book rights separately?

    7. Re:TFA About Reading-Disabled Students by Repossessed · · Score: 1

      "Does that exception exist in the DMCA?"

      The DMCA allows the copyright office to make exceptions to it (though the decision must be made again every three years).

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    8. Re:TFA About Reading-Disabled Students by serutan · · Score: 1

      Next the Guild will demand money every time you read the book out loud to your child.

    9. Re:TFA About Reading-Disabled Students by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't understand why Amazon would even consider disabling an essential feature like that. Basically they just screwed all handicapped people and STOLE all the products back from every single blind person who ever bought a kindle. They deserve to be fined heavily for this.

  9. No Turning back? by itsvishal · · Score: 1

    Read and Memorize. This page will self-destruct as soon as you turn it. *beep*

    1. Re:No Turning back? by maxwell+demon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Reminds me of Fahrenheit 451.

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  10. Remote kill or flag change? by sunderland56 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    TFA is very unclear on whether
    • the book binaries have changed, so that the new ones have the flag turned on - but if you already have an existing binary in your Kindle it will work fine; or
    • the Kindle looks for updates to existing book binaries, and applies them automatically

    I think the first is more likely - although the second could be useful in other ways (the Kindle could automatically correct errors in books as they are found).

    1. Re:Remote kill or flag change? by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 5, Insightful

      (the Kindle could automatically correct errors in books as they are found).

      Yeah, especially the inconvenient ones in history books.

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    2. Re:Remote kill or flag change? by Zerth · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The book file has to be redownloaded. But you can take all of your book files and archive them to a computer before turning on the cell connection, just in case.

      If book publishers start acting like software publishers, you can always just skip to pirating the books, this doesn't affect user added files(with or without paying, depending on the color of your hat).

    3. Re:Remote kill or flag change? by SteeldrivingJon · · Score: 1

      And the profit motive here?

      It's more to the publishers' benefit to put out new, hyped, 'corrected' editions, or completely different books that 'expose' the flaws.

      There's no money in 'fixing' already-sold texts to remove politically or ideologically inconvenient information.

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    4. Re:Remote kill or flag change? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the profit motive here?

      Perhaps they've received one of those secret national security letters from the government. Perhaps they're voluntarily cooperating with a propaganda campaign in exchange for money or political favor.

      This is all tinfoil hat fodder, and sounds pretty ridiculous. That didn't stop it from happening though. I cite the wiretapping scandal and the "experts" caught reading from the Pentagon's script.

    5. Re:Remote kill or flag change? by SteeldrivingJon · · Score: 1

      I doubt a national security tidbit would make it through publication before being squelched. They have a way of finding out about such things.

      "Perhaps they're voluntarily cooperating with a propaganda campaign in exchange for money or political favor."

      They'd be far better off quickly publishing a whole, new book in line with the propaganda campaign, that would cast doubt on the other item and generally sling mud. That would generate more money, more publicity, and be better business all around.

      Quietly changing the text of books that have been sold is kinda pointless - Most people wouldn't notice, people who'd already read the original text would likely never see it, and it would be pretty pointless if there were any original non-electronic copies in existence which would continue being unmodified.

      Really, I just don't see the point.

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    6. Re:Remote kill or flag change? by steelfood · · Score: 1

      this doesn't affect user added files yet

      There, fixed that for you.

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  11. forget it by jcgam69 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I pre-ordered a Kindle DX. Thanks to the information in this article I have changed my mind and I'm now canceling my order. I would be stupid to pay $500 for a device that can be remotely crippled, when cheaper ebook readers give me full control. What was I thinking?

    1. Re:forget it by jo42 · · Score: 5, Informative

      What you really want is a tablet PC running Linux if you are concerned about DRM. Any product where you don't have control over the operating system or environment will always be suspect to the whims of corporate lawyers.

    2. Re:forget it by DinDaddy · · Score: 1

      This convinces me that I will no longer purchase Random House titles in any form. I will have to consider how it affects my use of Amazon.

    3. Re:forget it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Care to name such a device that isn't prehistoric tech, for the same price point? No? Though so.

    4. Re:forget it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here we go again. Tablet PC's have back-lit screens.

      I don't know about you, but I cannot handle reading a book on a back-lit screen. Ever.

    5. Re:forget it by MyDixieWrecked · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm curious what other ebook readers you're looking at. So far, I've used a Foxit eBook reader, Sony PRS-700, kindle, iPhone and various computers.

      The Foxit totally sucks. It's got a nice formfactor, but it's slow and difficult to read PDFs without having the text get wrapped and lose all spacing (sometimeswordsgetjumbledtogetherlikethis).

      The Sony reader is pretty good except that the glare totally sucks and when reading PDFs, it's only got pre-set zoom levels; no fit-to-width, so the text is constantly either too small or it's the right size, but wraps all over the place.

      I was waiting for the PlasticLogic to come out (something like mid 2010, last I heard). It's a good size, so PDFs will render well and it seems fast and very sturdy.

      I haven't had a chance to check out any ePub books, yet, but I've heard good things. The only problem is that Amazon has a HUGE selection of eBooks for the kindle and ePub doesn't have that many commercial books; at least, I was only able to find 1 book I wanted in ePub format and 2 or 3 in PDF format.

      Considering that books from O'Reilly, Pragmatic Programmers and other tech publishers are available only in PDF (since the kindle format doesn't support fonts for code snippets), I feel like the new KindleDX is the perfect solution--not only does it allow me to buy the most widely available eBook format but it also allows me to read PDFs on an acceptably large screen.

      I tried to hold off, but I HAD to preorder the KindleDX... I'm a little concerned that it's not gonna be as good as I hope, but I think it'll be a good purchase in the longrun. I really hope that amazon/publishers come to their senses and stop with this garbage of disabling TTS or other features.

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    6. Re:forget it by Smidge207 · · Score: 1

      I really hope that amazon/publishers come to their senses and stop with this garbage of disabling TTS or other features.

      Don't worry; it'll be jail-broken in no time flat. ;-)

      ^=Smoodge=^

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    7. Re:forget it by geekoid · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      No, what I really want is the Kindle without kill switches, but thanks for shoving your pet OS down our throats.

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    8. Re:forget it by geekoid · · Score: 1

      What you were thinking is how cool the Kindles is, and it IS cool. Shame about the kill switches.

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    9. Re:forget it by jcgam69 · · Score: 1

      Probably one of the Astak readers. A large format model is due to be released later this year.

    10. Re:forget it by jgtg32a · · Score: 1

      Sony 505 is fine with PDF as long as you set the screen to half page mode, ie turn it on its side. If you are trying to read a dual column book don't bother with it because you are going to be jumping up and down constantly, the Sony 700 is faster so it may be better

    11. Re:forget it by jcgam69 · · Score: 1

      Here's a review of the current Astak model with links for more information. This device appears to display PDF files adequately.

    12. Re:forget it by sciencewhiz · · Score: 2, Informative
      The "crippling" was disclosed on the product page. Did you not read it before spending $500 on it? From the Kindle DX Product Page

      Kindle DX can read to you. With its Text-to-Speech feature, Kindle DX can read books, blogs, magazines, and newspapers out loud to you, unless the book's rights holder made the feature unavailable.

    13. Re:forget it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a terrible suggestion.
      eBook Reader: $200-$500
      Tablet PC: $1000+ and time to install/configure OS and software

      Just do a little research on the readers and find one that's not crippled with DRM and internet connectivity.

    14. Re:forget it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hear, hear.

      In general, I'm getting more and more fed up with people telling me "What you want is...". It sounds unbelievably arrogant and, at this point, is an excellent way to get me to not listen to you.

    15. Re:forget it by ukyoCE · · Score: 1

      IF you're serious, be sure to tell them why when you cancel it. I'm sure Amazon would love to print off reams of e-mails like yours and show them to the publishers who are demanding these ridiculous DRM restrictions.

    16. Re:forget it by je+ne+sais+quoi · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well, considering that the kindle is already powered by linux, it's completely idiotic to assert that he's "shoving your pet OS down your throat" because you're already running linux on the Kindle.

      Also, there is a text-to-speech is a standard package in one of the most common desktop managers for linux. I use the text-to-speech sometimes while I'm doing the dishes, etc. It does about as well as most text-to-speech programs do. You don't have to use kde to do it, ktts is just the front-end, it uses the festival synthesis system, so a front end might be out there can use a less full-featured OS than kde, which might be faster and hence more suitable for an e-book reader device. I wonder if it's possible to get the festival speech synthesis system running on it and bypass amazon's DRMed solution all together.

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    17. Re:forget it by MyDixieWrecked · · Score: 1

      The 700 could be much, much better, but the things that are holding it back are teh things that could potentially make it great.

      My biggest issue with it is the screen. It's got an insane amount of glare because it's got a touchscreen covering. It's also got LED lighting, but it's not very good. The quality of the touchscreen leaves a lot to be desired, too. The hand gestures to turn the pages only pick up the gesture about half the time. My co-worker bought one and I almost did, too. I'm glad I held back and decided to borrow my co-worker's 700. Playing with it in the store made me want it really bad.

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    18. Re:forget it by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      a less full-featured OS than kde

      snicker snort

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    19. Re:forget it by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Books in general are "pre-historic" technology.

      OTOH, I can depend on my "pre-historic" electronic books being usuable
      to me or anyone else in the future without restrictions. The same goes
      for the real thing. This is an important benefit of not just "living
      in the moment".

      What happens when today's trendy book reader becomes tomorrow's dinosaur?

      This isn't exactly the last iteration of Super Mario we're talking about here.

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    20. Re:forget it by rrohbeck · · Score: 1

      Has anybody hacked the Kindle yet? With an open OS it might be worthwhile to have. The way it is right now, no thanks.

    21. Re:forget it by bartosz.broda · · Score: 2, Informative

      There are a few problems with tablets. Most important ones IMO are: power consumption and comfort of reading.

      Maybe you should try something like Hanlin V3 . Cheap, reliable, and comfortable. Of course it runs linux, and you can get some free OS/software from OpenInkpot

    22. Re:forget it by otopico · · Score: 1

      That's a brilliant suggestion.

      Used Toshiba M400 - $250 of Craigslist + ~hour to install pretty much any OS on it (even OS X if you so choose)

      E-book reader and a computer.

      It's amazing what one can do with 5 minutes on the internet.

    23. Re:forget it by Speare · · Score: 3, Informative
      [blockquote]No, what I really want is the Kindle without kill switches, but thanks for shoving your pet OS down our throats.[/blockquote]

      Take it as shorthand. Considering that (1) the proprietary Kindle product has kill switches, (2) other proprietary products and OSes have demonstrated their willingness to include kill switches, what you really want is some sort of machine and OS that is completely open to auditing, ensuring that you have the capability to do whatever is within your legal rights, despite any consumer-unfriendly corporate opinions to the contrary. The word Linux is just quicker to type.

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    24. Re:forget it by jra · · Score: 1

      "Reflections on Trusting Trust."

    25. Re:forget it by stonewallred · · Score: 1

      Actually I use windoze and have no problem reading any e-book, and with Sumatra, I can copy and paste any pdf document, locked or not. i would rather read on the 22" monitor than a small screen anyway.

    26. Re:forget it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      That's a harsh response, considering that he's right.

      Specifying Linux was unwarranted. But, unless you have control over the operating system on your device (through free software), Amazon can remove the kill switches and make the Kindle do your housework and it still won't mean jack shit.

      Consider that the next time you end up saying "what I really want is the Kindle without ______" because of problems with the software that Amazon has actually shoved down your throat.

    27. Re:forget it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why Linux? Why not BSD or Solaris?

      Why not even Windows? There are plenty of DRM free e-book implementations for it.

    28. Re:forget it by FloydTheDroid · · Score: 1

      Quote still stands (and is hilarious to boot). There's no reason to mention linux at all as a solution to this problem.

      Using your own content is a solution, buying a different e-reader is a solution, buying the actual book is a solution. Installing an OS which is already on the device as a solution is not going to fix anything since it's not the OS which is to blame here, it's the kindle software which controls the content.

      Regarding the text-to-speech comment, is anyone really disappointed with how this hasn't gotten much better? My 1mhz Apple IIe could do a pretty good job with plain text so why can't our dual-core multi-ghz computers do any better?

    29. Re:forget it by vinodhr · · Score: 1

      The so called pet OS is your Kindle without Kill switches.

    30. Re:forget it by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      Any product where you don't have control over the operating system or environment will always be suspect to the whims of corporate lawyers.

      Unless you build the whole thing, including hardware (and I mean the chips themselves, too!), from scratch, you don't have full control over the environment. How can you trust it to do what you want otherwise?

    31. Re:forget it by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      Kindle runs on Linux. In fact, so does Sony PRS, and pretty much every other eInk-based reader on the market today (Hanlin, Orsio etc).

    32. Re:forget it by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      The Sony reader is pretty good except that the glare totally sucks

      Just to clarify, have you tried PRS-505 or 700 (the one with touchscreen is 700)? 700 has worse glare from what I've seen, and darker screen, too - presumably because of touchscreen. And it doesn't really add anything useful, in my opinion, so 505 is much better for "just reading".

    33. Re:forget it by MyDixieWrecked · · Score: 1

      I've used both the 505 and the 700, but I was referring to the 700 in the post. I only played with the 505 in the store, but my co-worker bought the 700.

      I probably would have bought a 505, but it didn't have the ability to create bookmarks and the interface for clicking links on pages and whatnot was kinda clunky without touch.

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    34. Re:forget it by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      I probably would have bought a 505, but it didn't have the ability to create bookmarks

      Actually, it does have that ability. It even has a dedicated key for that - the one with the icon depicting a page with corner flipped (it also shows bookmarked pages that way, drawing a "flipped" corner on them).

      Or do you mean margin notes?

    35. Re:forget it by MyDixieWrecked · · Score: 1

      you're right, actually. But you can't name the bookmarks like on the 700; so if you have a bunch of bookmarks, then you can't tell the difference between them... of course it's the same functionality as dog-earing the book.

      I dunno. After playing with sony's offering I just didn't have the feeling that I HAD to buy one. The Kindle, I want and I don't know why. It just feels awesome, but until the DX model with bigger screen and PDF support, I couldn't justify the purchase.

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    36. Re:forget it by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      I dunno. After playing with sony's offering I just didn't have the feeling that I HAD to buy one. The Kindle, I want and I don't know why. It just feels awesome, but until the DX model with bigger screen and PDF support, I couldn't justify the purchase.

      I don't see much advantages of Kindle compared to other offerings in the same range (not just Sony, but also e.g. Hanlin). It may be because I'm not in the U.S., though, so the book store and unlimited wireless connection are useless for me.

      But DX definitely has me drooling, mainly because of proper PDF support. By "proper" I mean "actually readable" - Sony supports PDFs just fine, but given its resolution, the screen is too small to read in fit-to-screen mode, and scrolling with eInk redraw speed is, well, inconvenient to say the least.

    37. Re:forget it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just burying Linux inside doesn't make it "a machine and OS completely open to audit," but a generic device touting Linux or non-Linux open architecture as a major feature is a lot closer to the mark. Android, Nokia, etc. vs Apple, Kindle, etc. Also note that Amazon, Sony and Apple are in the content business and they feel they have to protect those properties (rather than doing what's best for the overall revenue growth).

    38. Re:forget it by Draek · · Score: 1

      Can you run your own, modified version on it? if so, then the Kindle may still hold some small interest for me. If not, whether it's based on Linux, FreeBSD or Haiku is completely and utterly irrelevant.

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    39. Re:forget it by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      I don't know about Kindle, to be honest. But you can do that on Sony, and most other readers - for example, OpenInkpot is a fully FOSS replacement, from ground up.

  12. Killflags... by Jaysyn · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...and they are internet capable? I'm going to laugh my ass off when some hacker reduces every ebook on every Kindle in the world to a useless pile of bits.

    --
    There is a war going on for your mind.
    1. Re:Killflags... by geekoid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, and I hope one does, and soon. People need to know the risk of all these kill switches everything is getting.Better the learn it now when it only impacts a relatively few people.

      --
      The Kruger Dunning explains most post on /. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
    2. Re:Killflags... by paazin · · Score: 1

      Somehow I wouldn't be surprised... Amazon would certainly have some backpedaling to do then.

      As much as I'd feel bad for all my friends with Kindles, I probably would chuckle quietly to myself as well.

    3. Re:Killflags... by omglolbah · · Score: 1

      I would cackles out loud in front of my friends if it ever happened :-p

  13. As my wife says, "Fuck 'em." by Tony · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I was going to get my wife a Kindle for her birthday. She asked, "What's the point? The books are almost as expensive, and I can't send them to my mom or sister when I'm done. And what happens when the hardware breaks, and I need to get a new one? I don't want to be forced to get a Kindle just because those are the books I bought before. Fuck 'em."

    My wife, the non-geek. She gets it.

    --
    Microsoft is to software what Budweiser is to beer.
    1. Re:As my wife says, "Fuck 'em." by jgtg32a · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Don't use amazon as your book source use TPB, it has a rather nice selection

    2. Re:As my wife says, "Fuck 'em." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heh, your wife sounds classy

    3. Re:As my wife says, "Fuck 'em." by Xadnem · · Score: 1

      Ditto. I was so surprised my wife didn't want one, not even when I tried selling her on Sony's model instead. Now I'm at a loss what to get her. Maybe a netbook instead.

    4. Re:As my wife says, "Fuck 'em." by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 3, Informative

      She obviously doesn't read anything from the Gutenberg project, which for me, is entirely the point of my Kindle.

      This is what I'm reading currently. I've wanted to read this for years, but I'm cheap.

      http://www.amazon.com/Greens-History-English-People-D/dp/0260218839/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1242313760&sr=8-10

      $110 is the price for 125 year old books. It's only available used. Note: this is different than Green's SHORT history. This one is the big one, Green's Opus Magnum. The best history of the English People ever written to that point.

      Got the entire text for free on Gutenberg and am reading it on the Kindle. At this rate, it won't take me long to be able to completely justify the entire purchase cost of the Kindle.

      --
      Fascism trolls keeping me up every night. When I starts a preachin', he HITS ME WITH HIS REICH!
    5. Re:As my wife says, "Fuck 'em." by Larryish · · Score: 1

      If by now you have not already amassed at least 20 gigs of ebooks on your various hard drives on your home computer(s), please proceed to the 3rd desk from the left and turn in your Geek(tm) card.

    6. Re:As my wife says, "Fuck 'em." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's exactly why they added generic PDF support! :-)

    7. Re:As my wife says, "Fuck 'em." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't use amazon as your book source use TPB, it has a rather nice selection

      Unfortunately, it doesn't.

      Try looking on TPB for any ebook other than a technical manual, or a #1 best seller (good luck with even those). It's very unlikely you'll find anything.

      If only there was a pirate bookstore...

    8. Re:As my wife says, "Fuck 'em." by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      Try looking on TPB for any ebook other than a technical manual, or a #1 best seller (good luck with even those). It's very unlikely you'll find anything.

      If only there was a pirate bookstore..

      #bookz @ irc.undernet.org

    9. Re:As my wife says, "Fuck 'em." by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      Or maybe she just doesn't read often and/or much?

      The point of Kindle (and all existing e-readers) is, quite obviously, not to save on books - even if e-books were cheaper, the price of the readers itself is high enough that you won't see any savings in the lifetime of the device.

      No, the point is the convenience of having your whole library in your bag with you - something that I found I highly appreciate when in bus/train/airplane. It's also very handy when on vacation (I read through an average book in 2-3 evenings, so it's quite a few for a 2-week vacation).

    10. Re:As my wife says, "Fuck 'em." by david@ecsd.com · · Score: 1
      How about buying her, you know, a book?

      Drrrrrrrrrr

    11. Re:As my wife says, "Fuck 'em." by Xadnem · · Score: 1

      I do that all the time anyway. Birthdays are for 'wow you shouldn't have' things.

    12. Re:As my wife says, "Fuck 'em." by Mal-2 · · Score: 1

      Yes, screw e-books, because Text-To-Speech works so well with paper books.

      Paper may be the alternative for now, and there are no issues regarding resale, lending, and so forth. But the feature set is somewhat lacking.

      Mal-2

      --
      How is the Riemann zeta function like Trump rallies? Both have an endless number of trivial zeros.
    13. Re:As my wife says, "Fuck 'em." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With fiction, I honestly prefer an ebook to paper. But why the hell would I pay the same amount of money for a digital version?

      I've read hundreds of ebooks on my palm over the years and now have moved on to an eee pc. All but one or two had their copyright expired and so were free to read.

      But, anytime I've had an interest in purchasing an ebook they are the same or nearly the same price. Ridiculous.

      Seems to me, if they sold a single-license book for $1-5 based on popularity they might just see their buisness turn around.

    14. Re:As my wife says, "Fuck 'em." by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      You don't buy an eBook reader for the official books, and you don't buy a kindle for the amazon ebooks.

      You buy an ebook reader to burn through all the classics, which are available in convenient formats over at project gutenberg. For free, because they're long out of copyright. You buy a kindle, specifically, for the anywhere wikipedia access.

      The tricky bit is figuring out what the sellers think they are selling, and what the product actually is.

      --
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  14. I'm done with Amazon by maynard · · Score: 5, Informative

    I was a customer for over ten years. Spent well over ten thousand dollars there in books and other items. But for the last several years their customer support has declined, their partner businesses engage in numerous disreputable practices that mirror the abuses at ebay, their manipulation of book rankings on so-called adult material (gay), and they seem intent on monopolizing the epublishing trade. I closed my account and won't look back.

    Yes, the Kindle-DX looks like a nice machine. But what one gives up in basic rights as a reader is more than enough to keep me buying used books printed on dead trees for some time. And I can always scan the books I buy to load on an ereader with less virulent DRM limitations and corporate controls. I own an iRex iLiad, that while not the best manufacturer, at least they offer a free Linux development environment to download and install. Users are hacking new software on that platform. Does anyone here expect Amazon to allow that? Not me.

    BTW: closing my account with Amazon took several phone calls and numerous transfers from one department to the next. They don't like it when customers attempt to leave them and make the process as difficult as possible. Yet another reason to never give them my money again.

    1. Re:I'm done with Amazon by barzok · · Score: 4, Funny

      BTW: closing my account with Amazon took several phone calls and numerous transfers from one department to the next. They don't like it when customers attempt to leave them and make the process as difficult as possible.

      Sounds like canceling an AOL account in the '90s.

    2. Re:I'm done with Amazon by alen · · Score: 1

      what is the point of closing your account? just don't buy anything ever again from them.

    3. Re:I'm done with Amazon by maynard · · Score: 5, Informative

      To remove my credit card from their database. Also, to remove my customer record. And finally, to let them know just how displeased I am with their business practices.

    4. Re:I'm done with Amazon by An+ominous+Cow+art · · Score: 1

      You're right. All I can think of is maybe he wanted to send a message to them, or maybe he had some sort of subscription through them? Not sure if Amazon has anything like that.

    5. Re:I'm done with Amazon by castironpigeon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      After spending the better part of 2 days on the phone with Amazon support staff I had to threaten that the next person they'd be hearing from was my lawyer... all to get tracking information on a package that was almost 2 weeks overdue. This sort of shit seems unbelievable until it actually happens to you.

      --
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    6. Re:I'm done with Amazon by cdrguru · · Score: 1

      I suspect you were communicating (uselessly) with a drone in India that was hired to make sure that nobody in management ever hears anything bad about customer service.

      For the most part, it is useless to express your dismay to a customer service center in any form. They are paid to not care and not pass on information about other people's dismay.

    7. Re:I'm done with Amazon by durval · · Score: 1
      Ditto with me. After spending a few thousand dollars with them over the last 10 years, Amazon screwed me when they sent me another item instead of the one I ordered and refused to grant me a proper refund.

      After struggling for a few days with their "customer service" (a bunch of idiots someplace in Asia who can't even speak english), I took the matter to my credit card company and vowed NEVER TO HAVE ANYTHING with them again (I even refuse to follow links on Google searches that lead to Amazon's website).

      Please note that I don't hold any grudge against them; I just hope they eat flaming death and die painfully.

      --
      Best Regards,
      Durval Menezes.
      I have never met a computer that didn't like me.
  15. Glad I'm sticking with dead-tree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    NT

    1. Re:Glad I'm sticking with dead-tree by DamienNightbane · · Score: 1

      Me too. All these fancy e-book readers will be completely worthless in the event of zombie apocalypse/nuclear war/Ron Paul not getting elected in 2012.

      Frankly, I prefer to have my books in a "works every time and can't be altered without my permission" format.

  16. I have remote flags also... by blcamp · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...such as the "don't buy anything I can't substantially control" flag.

    --
    The problem with socialism is that they always run out of other people's money. - Margaret Thatcher
  17. KIll Flag? by Eddy+Luten · · Score: 1

    How exactly is this a kill-flag? The headline is misleading as the remote switch does not actually kill the device itself but disables a software feature.

    1. Re:KIll Flag? by dsginter · · Score: 1

      Or maybe this guy now works for Amazon?!

      --
      More
  18. Is there a "money back" flag? by apathy+maybe · · Score: 1

    Unless (and even if) this is made clear to the consumer before they bye the product, I'm sure that there would be a good case of "defective product", which would mean, money back.

    Of course, you don't get to keep your "Kindle", but you do get to keep your sanity.

    ---

    I expect the following to start happening sooner or later:
    * Someone write make a "Kindle emulator";
    * Someone will pass out "hardware security bypass" designs (modding)

    Oh, and I also expect a law suit sooner or later.

    --
    I wank in the shower.
    1. Re:Is there a "money back" flag? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      "Use of this advanced computing technology does not imply an endorsement of Western industrial civilization.

      Is sure does, whether you like it or not.
      And why Western Industrial civilization? that makes no damn sense. Is it some sort of false dichotomy between western and eastern? You could move to one of many back water disease d parts of the world and not have to worry at all about civilization'.

      --
      The Kruger Dunning explains most post on /. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
  19. Progress Continues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is just like when they invented books that can be remotely spontaneously combusted.

  20. Solution by bhunachchicken · · Score: 3, Funny

    Buy a real book and then have it read to you by your girlfr... oh, wait, this is Slashdot. Ignore me :)

    1. Re:Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Buy a real book and then have it read to you by your girlfr... oh, wait, this is Slashdot. Ignore me :)

      Lol! You know there are imposters here - the ones who claim they have girlfriends or say they're married. They need their Slashdot membership revoked and to be banned from the site! :-)

      None of those imposters probably know how to even code a 'hello world' program let alone know what Linux is! :-)

    2. Re:Solution by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Are you the Grand Galactic Inquisitor?
      Have you traveled from an incredibly distant star to observe the ways of our planet?

      --
      The Kruger Dunning explains most post on /. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
    3. Re:Solution by jra · · Score: 1

      Hee.

      Maybe I'm an oddball, but I use FBreader on an n800.

      Sure, getting *legal* books in TXT or HTML format is troublesome, but since, in general, I'm downloading books I've already bought new (or even used/remainder), then I've made my financial contribution, and I feel no moral qu...hey! Put down that truncheo%^&*()

      [The connection was reset while loading the page]

    4. Re:Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You meant to say mother.

    5. Re:Solution by steelfood · · Score: 1

      Have it read to you by your mom then. She'll come down the stairs if you shout loudly enough.

      --
      "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be."
    6. Re:Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Buy a real book and then have it read to you by your girlfr... oh, wait, this is Slashdot. Ignore me :)

      So, umm, about these "girlfriend" creatures. What do you do when they want a book read to them?

  21. A "no turning the pages backwards" flag? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A "no turning the pages backwards" flag?

    That would be for all those Choose Your Own Adventure cheaters.

  22. Is it in the documentation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does it say they can do this anywhere on the box or on the ordering information? if not start a class action lawsuit. In the corporate world, this is how you fight.

  23. For the doubters by Nakor+BlueRider · · Score: 1

    Did a little poking around and found this is in fact true (at least basically so). Here's a listing with "Text-to-Speech: Not enabled" marked on it, and the drop down explanation being "The publisher has requested not to enable Text-to-Speech for this title."

    http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001ANURFO/

    1. Re:For the doubters by geminidomino · · Score: 0, Troll

      Shock of Shocks (no pun intended).

      All of the Song and Ice of Fire books also have it disabled. Guess I won't be reading Dance With Dragons after all. Fuck them.

    2. Re:For the doubters by Captain+Hook · · Score: 1

      It's one thing to buy a book which hasn't got Text-to-speech enabled, especially when you are told about it on the product descritpion. It's another to have a feature disabled after the point of purchase.

      --
      These comments are my personal opinions and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the other voices in my head.
    3. Re:For the doubters by SteeldrivingJon · · Score: 1

      "It's another to have a feature disabled after the point of purchase."

      It's not even clear to me if this is what has happened.

      --
      September 2011: Looking for Cocoa/iOS work in Boston area Cocoa Programmer Quincy, MA
  24. Lawsuit? by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Can't one of those Blind Advocacy groups sue them for discrimination?

    --
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    1. Re:Lawsuit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Can't one of those Blind Advocacy groups sue them for discrimination?

      They would if they could see the article.

    2. Re:Lawsuit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Laughing my way into a room upgrade in Hell right now. Thanks.

    3. Re:Lawsuit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can't one of those Blind Advocacy groups sue them for discrimination?

      They have separate Audio books available for the vision impaired.

    4. Re:Lawsuit? by kingduct · · Score: 1

      There probably will be lawsuits (I am not a lawyer, but I do work at a disability advocacy organization and it looks to me like blocking access to e-books violates the ADA). For example, you might be interested in the Reading Rights Coalition (http://www.readingrights.org/), which is currently organizing against the Authors Guild and includes numerous organizations. I also recommend signing their petition insisting that everybody be given equal access to e-books.

      My guess is that the Authors Guild will try to create a system in which you must be registered as blind or dyslexic, etc., in order to be given access to the screen reading software that is built into the Kindle for all books. However, in the long run I don't think that will hold up in court.

    5. Re:Lawsuit? by daveime · · Score: 1

      My guess is that the Authors Guild will try to create a system in which you must be registered as blind or dyslexic

      Which will probably be a web page with a link "If you are blind or dyslexic, please click here".

    6. Re:Lawsuit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about one of those consumers suing for false advertising, deceptive business practices, and knowingly distributing products shipped from the factory with purposely introduced flaws? Why do I have to be handicapped to simply insist people give me what I fucking pay for?

  25. Random house by geekoid · · Score: 3, Informative

    Don't forget to direct your ire at Random House for doing this as well as Amazon for rolling over.

    Call them and bitch.
    http://www.randomhouse.com/about/contact.html

    --
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    1. Re:Random house by ionix5891 · · Score: 1

      nah just torrent their books

      stab them where it hurts

    2. Re:Random house by HermDog · · Score: 1

      Any word on whether Random House has banned reading out loud yet? Especially for people who speak with artificial voices?

      --
      JADBP
  26. And that's why my Kindle's flag... by bobdotorg · · Score: 3, Funny

    And that's why my Kindle's flag will be a Jolly Roger.

    --
    __ Someday, but not this morning, I'll finally learn to use the preview button.
  27. Re:As I said to your wife, "Fuck me." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry, dude, she just sounds like a total bitch.

    -Dan East

  28. You Don't Own MY Works. by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is my post. I wrote it. Is is a creative and inventive work which benefits society at large. Moreover, it is a concrete example of intellectual property. This post, that you are reading right now, belongs to me. It is mine.

    This post is mine in the same way that my house, or car or clothes are mine. These words that I have written are given as much protection as freedom of speech or to vote. They need it. If just anyone is allowed to come along and copy them, or alter them, or include them in another work without my permission, then it will be as though my right to speak freely has been taken away, or I have been disenfranchised.

    If someone else reads these words without paying me, or worse sells them to others to read, I will have been robbed. It will be as if my home was burned down, or my family sold into slavery. An injustice of the highest order.

    These words need protections. Strong protections. This post needs to be defended, even as it is copied endless and effortlessly across millions of computers, each recopying it hundreds of times, at negligible expense. The worth of these words is worth more than all the bits it occupies in cyberspace. Indeed, their worth is worth more than the worth of cyberspace, and even society itself.

    For if these words, if this post cannot be afforded the most stringent, uncompromising and sacred protection that our society has to offer, then our society will not be worth the bits it is represented on. The reality of digital worldwide transmission must not be allowed to compromise the most fundamental rights we have. The protection of this post is a challenge which our civilization must meet, or else our civilization must fall.

    This post and all related materials, Copyright © ObsessiveMathsFreak 2009.

    All rights reserved, worldwide.

    None of the materials provided in this post site may be used, reproduced or transmitted, in whole or in part, in any form or by any means, electronic or mechanical, including photocopying, recording or the use of any information storage and retrieval system, without express permission in writing from the author, along with suitable monetary compensation.

    Unauthorized use of the materials in this post are subject to prosecution to the fullest exent allowable by law.

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    1. Re:You Don't Own MY Works. by Aqualung812 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      This is my post. I wrote it. Is is a creative and inventive work which benefits society at large. Moreover, it is a concrete example of intellectual property. This post, that you are reading right now, belongs to me. It is mine.

      This post is mine in the same way that my house, or car or clothes are mine. These words that I have written are given as much protection as freedom of speech or to vote. They need it. If just anyone is allowed to come along and copy them, or alter them, or include them in another work without my permission, then it will be as though my right to speak freely has been taken away, or I have been disenfranchised.

      If someone else reads these words without paying me, or worse sells them to others to read, I will have been robbed. It will be as if my home was burned down, or my family sold into slavery. An injustice of the highest order.

      These words need protections. Strong protections. This post needs to be defended, even as it is copied endless and effortlessly across millions of computers, each recopying it hundreds of times, at negligible expense. The worth of these words is worth more than all the bits it occupies in cyberspace. Indeed, their worth is worth more than the worth of cyberspace, and even society itself.

      For if these words, if this post cannot be afforded the most stringent, uncompromising and sacred protection that our society has to offer, then our society will not be worth the bits it is represented on. The reality of digital worldwide transmission must not be allowed to compromise the most fundamental rights we have. The protection of this post is a challenge which our civilization must meet, or else our civilization must fall.

      This post and all related materials, Copyright © ObsessiveMathsFreak 2009.

      All rights reserved, worldwide.

      None of the materials provided in this post site may be used, reproduced or transmitted, in whole or in part, in any form or by any means, electronic or mechanical, including photocopying, recording or the use of any information storage and retrieval system, without express permission in writing from the author, along with suitable monetary compensation.

      Unauthorized use of the materials in this post are subject to prosecution to the fullest exent allowable by law.

      So sue me...

      --
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    2. Re:You Don't Own MY Works. by nkh · · Score: 1

      I suck at math and I'm ugly.

      This post and all related materials, Copyright © ObsessiveMathsFreak 2009.

      but you still can't sue me for a parody!

    3. Re:You Don't Own MY Works. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Woosh?

    4. Re:You Don't Own MY Works. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "None of the materials provided in this post site may be used, reproduced or transmitted, in whole or in part"

      I know you're joking, but the thing I always laugh at when I read these things is the fact that the "in whole or in part" completely ignores fair use. For example, you (or a publisher that attaches similar boilerplate) can go ahead and try to prosecute me "to the fullest extent allowable by law" for quoting part of your post, but the case would be tossed out in short order. The same is true for format conversion, which in some countries is specifically protected.

      In other words, the rights claimed in the copyright notice are greatly exaggerated and are technically wrong. The strange thing is, this seems to be the norm. I've seen some copyright statements that acknowledge "fair use", but they're rare.

    5. Re:You Don't Own MY Works. by MadCow42 · · Score: 1

      >> If someone else reads these words without paying me, or worse sells them to others to read, I will have been robbed. It will be as if my home was burned down, or my family sold into slavery. An injustice of the highest order.

      Kinda pointless when you post them on a public message board that's supported by advertising (i.e. selling your words for their benefit). :)

      (the above quote is "fair use", btw)

      MadCow

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    6. Re:You Don't Own MY Works. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe you should read the SourceForge TOS...

      In each such case, the submitting user grants SourceForge the royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive, transferable license to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, perform, and display such Content (in whole or part) worldwide and/or to incorporate it in other works in any form, media, or technology now known or later developed, all subject to the terms of any applicable license.

    7. Re:You Don't Own MY Works. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is my post. I wrote it. Is is a creative and inventive work which benefits society at large. Moreover, it is a concrete example of intellectual property. This post, that you are reading right now, belongs to me. It is mine.

      This post is mine in the same way that my house, or car or clothes are mine. These words that I have written are given as much protection as freedom of speech or to vote. They need it. If just anyone is allowed to come along and copy them, or alter them, or include them in another work without my permission, then it will be as though my right to speak freely has been taken away, or I have been disenfranchised.

      If someone else reads these words without paying me, or worse sells them to others to read, I will have been robbed. It will be as if my home was burned down, or my family sold into slavery. An injustice of the highest order.

      These words need protections. Strong protections. This post needs to be defended, even as it is copied endless and effortlessly across millions of computers, each recopying it hundreds of times, at negligible expense. The worth of these words is worth more than all the bits it occupies in cyberspace. Indeed, their worth is worth more than the worth of cyberspace, and even society itself.

      For if these words, if this post cannot be afforded the most stringent, uncompromising and sacred protection that our society has to offer, then our society will not be worth the bits it is represented on. The reality of digital worldwide transmission must not be allowed to compromise the most fundamental rights we have. The protection of this post is a challenge which our civilization must meet, or else our civilization must fall.

      This post and all related materials, Copyright © Anonymous Coward 2009.

      All rights reserved, worldwide.

      None of the materials provided in this post site may be used, reproduced or transmitted, in whole or in part, in any form or by any means, electronic or mechanical, including photocopying, recording or the use of any information storage and retrieval system, without express permission in writing from the author, along with suitable monetary compensation.

      Unauthorized use of the materials in this post are subject to prosecution to the fullest exent allowable by law.

    8. Re:You Don't Own MY Works. by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      This is my post. I wrote it. It is a creative and inventive work which benefits society at large.

      Debatable.

      --
      If you want news from today, you have to come back tomorrow.
    9. Re:You Don't Own MY Works. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This post is mine in the same way that my house, or car or clothes are mine.

      No, it isn't.

    10. Re:You Don't Own MY Works. by noidentity · · Score: 1

      Uh oh, I just DESTROYED your post in my computer's memory after reading it. Better call your insurance company and file a claim, "destruction of property".

    11. Re:You Don't Own MY Works. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Making the .torrent now...

    12. Re:You Don't Own MY Works. by Clovis42 · · Score: 1

      I know you're joking, but the thing I always laugh at when I read these things is the fact that the "in whole or in part" completely ignores fair use. For example, you (or a publisher that attaches similar boilerplate) can go ahead and try to prosecute me "to the fullest extent allowable by law" for quoting part of your post, but the case would be tossed out in short order.

      Unfortunately you are wrong here. Sure, you can do all kinds of stuff and claim that it is a "fair use", but this won't stop someone (or some corporation) from suing you. And it will not simply get "thrown out" of court. You will have to spend a whole lot of money on a lawyer, a whole lot more than they would be trying to extort from you. Determining "fair use" is not cut and dry at all. This is a major problem.

      For example, in Lessig's Free Culture, there is a story about a guy who made a documentary about a production of Wagner's Ring Cycle. At one point he filmed some employees hanging out in the pit (or somewhere) playing chess. In the background was a TV playing an episode of the Simpsons. The scene has nothing to do with the Simpsons, it is a short clip, on a TV in the background, but that was still enough for Fox to request ten thousand dollars to allow it. He did feel it was important for it to be in the scene, but in the end had to digitally remove it. Was this a fair use? Definitely. Could he possibly distribute the film without removing the scene? Definitely not. No one will distribute a film that is open to a copyright infringement lawsuit.

      Sorry, but "fair use" is almost completely dead.

      --
      Clovis
      ^ Clovis, look! It's that guy you are!
    13. Re:You Don't Own MY Works. by ausekilis · · Score: 1

      It wasn't me that copied your work... it was firefox. Sue them.

    14. Re:You Don't Own MY Works. by sabt-pestnu · · Score: 1

      How clever of you to close your copyrighted post by plagiarizing any number of EULAS.

    15. Re:You Don't Own MY Works. by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

      Me too!

      --

      The enemies of Democracy are
    16. Re:You Don't Own MY Works. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is my post. I wrote it. Is is a creative and inventive work which benefits society at large. Moreover, it is a concrete example of intellectual property. This post, that you are reading right now, belongs to me. It is mine. This post is mine in the same way that my house, or car or clothes are mine. These words that I have written are given as much protection as freedom of speech or to vote. They need it. If just anyone is allowed to come along and copy them, or alter them, or include them in another work without my permission, then it will be as though my right to speak freely has been taken away, or I have been disenfranchised. If someone else reads these words without paying me, or worse sells them to others to read, I will have been robbed. It will be as if my home was burned down, or my family sold into slavery. An injustice of the highest order. These words need protections. Strong protections. This post needs to be defended, even as it is copied endless and effortlessly across millions of computers, each recopying it hundreds of times, at negligible expense. The worth of these words is worth more than all the bits it occupies in cyberspace. Indeed, their worth is worth more than the worth of cyberspace, and even society itself. For if these words, if this post cannot be afforded the most stringent, uncompromising and sacred protection that our society has to offer, then our society will not be worth the bits it is represented on. The reality of digital worldwide transmission must not be allowed to compromise the most fundamental rights we have. The protection of this post is a challenge which our civilization must meet, or else our civilization must fall. This post and all related materials, Copyright © ObsessiveMathsFreak 2009. All rights reserved, worldwide.

    17. Re:You Don't Own MY Works. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wanna bet?

    18. Re:You Don't Own MY Works. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is my post. I wrote it. Is is a creative and inventive work which benefits society at large. Moreover, it is a concrete example of intellectual property. This post, that you are reading right now, belongs to me. It is mine.

      This post is mine in the same way that my house, or car or clothes are mine. These words that I have written are given as much protection as freedom of speech or to vote. They need it. If just anyone is allowed to come along and copy them, or alter them, or include them in another work without my permission, then it will be as though my right to speak freely has been taken away, or I have been disenfranchised.

      If someone else reads these words without paying me, or worse sells them to others to read, I will have been robbed. It will be as if my home was burned down, or my family sold into slavery. An injustice of the highest order.

      These words need protections. Strong protections. This post needs to be defended, even as it is copied endless and effortlessly across millions of computers, each recopying it hundreds of times, at negligible expense. The worth of these words is worth more than all the bits it occupies in cyberspace. Indeed, their worth is worth more than the worth of cyberspace, and even society itself.

      For if these words, if this post cannot be afforded the most stringent, uncompromising and sacred protection that our society has to offer, then our society will not be worth the bits it is represented on. The reality of digital worldwide transmission must not be allowed to compromise the most fundamental rights we have. The protection of this post is a challenge which our civilization must meet, or else our civilization must fall.

      This post and all related materials, Copyright © ObsessiveMathsFreak 2009.

      All rights reserved, worldwide.

      None of the materials provided in this post site may be used, reproduced or transmitted, in whole or in part, in any form or by any means, electronic or mechanical, including photocopying, recording or the use of any information storage and retrieval system, without express permission in writing from the author, along with suitable monetary compensation.

      Unauthorized use of the materials in this post are subject to prosecution to the fullest exent allowable by law.

      I'd reply to this, but I'm afraid I'd get sued!

    19. Re:You Don't Own MY Works. by dhTardis · · Score: 1

      This is my post. I wrote it. Is is a creative and inventive work which benefits society at large. Moreover, it is a concrete example of intellectual property. This post, that you are reading right now, belongs to me. It is mine.

      This post is mine in the same way that my house, or car or clothes are mine. These words that I have written are given as much protection as freedom of speech or to vote. They need it. If just anyone is allowed to come along and copy them, or alter them, or include them in another work without my permission, then it will be as though my right to speak freely has been taken away, or I have been disenfranchised.

      If someone else reads these words without paying me, or worse sells them to others to read, I will have been robbed. It will be as if my home was burned down, or my family sold into slavery. An injustice of the highest order.

      These words need protections. Strong protections. This post needs to be defended, even as it is copied endless and effortlessly across millions of computers, each recopying it hundreds of times, at negligible expense. The worth of these words is worth more than all the bits it occupies in cyberspace. Indeed, their worth is worth more than the worth of cyberspace, and even society itself.

      For if these words, if this post cannot be afforded the most stringent, uncompromising and sacred protection that our society has to offer, then our society will not be worth the bits it is represented on. The reality of digital worldwide transmission must not be allowed to compromise the most fundamental rights we have. The protection of this post is a challenge which our civilization must meet, or else our civilization must fall.

      This post and all related materials, Copyright © ObsessiveMathsFreak 2009.

      All rights reserved, worldwide.

      None of the materials provided in this post site may be used, reproduced or transmitted, in whole or in part, in any form or by any means, electronic or mechanical, including photocopying, recording or the use of any information storage and retrieval system, without express permission in writing from the author, along with suitable monetary compensation.

      Unauthorized use of the materials in this post are subject to prosecution to the fullest exent allowable by law.

      Oops -- sorry!

    20. Re:You Don't Own MY Works. by Nesman64 · · Score: 1

      This is my post. There are many like it, but this one is mine.

      My post is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I master my life. My post, without me, is useless. Without my post, I am useless. I must submit my post true.

      --
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    21. Re:You Don't Own MY Works. by way2trivial · · Score: 1

      Read the sourceforge terms of service. especially the part I bracketed with exclamation points.
      as they can transfer the perpetual license- you have effectively NOTHING so far as a post here to protect-- if anyone wants to buy it- sourceforge may sell it and renumerate you nothing at all. (you can sell it too, but so can they)

      "With respect to text or data entered into and stored by publicly-accessible site features such as forums, comments and bug trackers ("SourceForge Public Content"), the submitting user retains ownership of such SourceForge Public Content; with respect to publicly-available statistical content which is generated by the site to monitor and display content activity, such content is owned by SourceForge. In each such case, !!!! the submitting user grants SourceForge the royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive, transferable license !!!! to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, perform, and display such Content (in whole or part) worldwide and/or to incorporate it in other works in any form, media, or technology now known or later developed, all subject to the terms of any applicable license."

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    22. Re:You Don't Own MY Works. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is my post. I wrote it. Is is a creative and inventive work which benefits society at large. Moreover, it is a concrete example of intellectual property. This post, that you are reading right now, belongs to me. It is mine.

      This post is mine in the same way that my house, or car or clothes are mine. These words that I have written are given as much protection as freedom of speech or to vote. They need it. If just anyone is allowed to come along and copy them, or alter them, or include them in another work without my permission, then it will be as though my right to speak freely has been taken away, or I have been disenfranchised.

      If someone else reads these words without paying me, or worse sells them to others to read, I will have been robbed. It will be as if my home was burned down, or my family sold into slavery. An injustice of the highest order.

      These words need protections. Strong protections. This post needs to be defended, even as it is copied endless and effortlessly across millions of computers, each recopying it hundreds of times, at negligible expense. The worth of these words is worth more than all the bits it occupies in cyberspace. Indeed, their worth is worth more than the worth of cyberspace, and even society itself.

      For if these words, if this post cannot be afforded the most stringent, uncompromising and sacred protection that our society has to offer, then our society will not be worth the bits it is represented on. The reality of digital worldwide transmission must not be allowed to compromise the most fundamental rights we have. The protection of this post is a challenge which our civilization must meet, or else our civilization must fall.

      Ripped by {::AnOnYmOuS CoWaRd::}

  29. Dear Random House Publishers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you won't sell me an electronic book on the same terms as your paper books (e.g., I can read them aloud if I want to, with or without mechanical assistance), then the only money you're going to get is from me buying used books.

    Which is to say: nothing, because you already got your money from the initial purchaser.

  30. memento flag by goombah99 · · Score: 5, Funny

    the memento flag:
          you can only read the chapters once and in reverse order only.

    the pulp fiction flag:
        chapter order is randomized

    the Bedazzled flag:
        last page is missing in mystery novels

    the pat robertson flag:
        all naughty words like "gay" and "damn" are changed to "homo" and "golly"

    they also introduced several modes:

    leet speak mode:
        so your p4r3nts can't read over your shoulder.

    The beevis and bottomhead flag:
          all accidental double entedres are bolded (heh heh).

    Ascii art mode

    speed reading mode: the words disappear from the page at defined rate.

    Controverial undocumented ebonics and hot coffee modes.

    --
    Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
    1. Re:memento flag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The slashdot flag: All typos, slight grammatical errors and inconsistencies are highlighted and placed in size 36, bold.

    2. Re:memento flag by Masami+Eiri · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Speed Reading Mode could actually be kind of fun, assuming it could be toggled.

    3. Re:memento flag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's beavis asshat.

    4. Re:memento flag by jra · · Score: 1

      > the memento flag:
      > you can only read the chapters once and in reverse order only.

      Well... that will make reading Imzadi quite a bit easier...

    5. Re:memento flag by boggin4fun · · Score: 1

      But Pulp Fiction was not actually random... it was in chronological order accoridng to the main protagonist of the specific scene.

  31. Was Stallman Right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    1. Re:Was Stallman Right? by BlackSabbath · · Score: 3, Informative

      I first read that shortly after it was first published. At that time I thought the dystopian future he described was far fetched. Twelve years later I think he had great foresight. All the elements are now in place. The relentless re-education campaign that inures people to the loss of "little" freedoms here and there are preparing a generation that don't know any better. A generation of sheeple who aren't even aware of the blood-paid freedoms and rights which they are trading away very, very cheaply.

      History will likely judge people like Orwell and Stallman as prophets of sorts.

    2. Re:Was Stallman Right? by smallfries · · Score: 4, Insightful

      History will likely judge people like Orwell and Stallman as prophets of sorts.

      Doesn't really seem possible. If they are wrong then that is the last thing that history will judge them as. If they are right then history won't remember them at all.

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    3. Re:Was Stallman Right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except 1984 was not meant to be prophetic. Orwell wrote about what he saw happening in 1948, the year he wrote it. It was his publisher who suggested transposing the last to digits to make the book seem for provocative. People who keep running around screaming, "Wow, Orwell was right!" don't know what the hell they are talking about.

    4. Re:Was Stallman Right? by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

      So... he wrote a book about the very year he was writing, but included a bunch of futuristic technology in it?

      I think the story about it originally being named 1948 is apocryphal. In the version I heard, the publisher wanted him to change it to make it less provocative, as in to not imply that Britain was like the book described at that time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four says the original titles were either "The Last Man in Europe" or "1980".

      But anyway regardless of the title, it is blatantly obvious that he was talking about an eventual progression to the kind of totalitarianism in the book, from the seeds he saw in his own time but not necessarily even in Britain. Communism and fascism were the forces he saw as threatening complete totalitarianism, and he was saying that eventually even Britain could become totalitarian. Not that it was at the time he wrote it. See the wiki article for a direct quote that says exactly that.

      So yeah, it was prophetic. And when you see a liberal democracy sliding towards totalitarianism while telling you that you're more free than ever, "Orwell was right!" is a quite appropriate response.

      Which brings me to the point raised by the GP, that either Orwell/Stallman are wrong or they're right and will be removed from history: There's a third option. They're right, people see the world changing in such a way that they realize Orwell and Stallman were right, and successfully take action to prevent that future from coming about. Okay since their predicted futures wouldn't literally come to pass that probably means they can't be called prophets in the same sense as, say, Isaiah. But it would be quite fine from a more secular standpoint, as in: "When the people of Britain saw that Orwell's prophetic novel 1984 was coming to pass, they rose up against the increasing authoritarian government..."

      --

      The enemies of Democracy are
    5. Re:Was Stallman Right? by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      Doesn't really seem possible. If they are wrong then that is the last thing that history will judge them as. If they are right then history won't remember them at all.

      There's also the third scenario that you've missed, where they're right, and we do fall into the dystopian future described by them, but eventually fight our way out of it (in fact, Stallman himself hints at this in his story).

    6. Re:Was Stallman Right? by smallfries · · Score: 1

      If they were right enough to prevent their own predictions from coming true, a sort of anti-crying-wolf, then I'd quite happily build a statue to them and think of them as right and remembered. Nice corner case.

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  32. Can we get a white flag? by Tsaot · · Score: 2, Funny

    Can we get a White Flag? One that just allows us to surrender? How about a bloody pirate flag? One that shoots cannons at the other flags. I would like at least one device not try to screw me over. (Full Disclosure, I own a Kindle 2.)

  33. You might as well buy it... by hyades1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...Some clever little bastard will have hacked it by the time they process your order anyway.

    --
    I've calculated my velocity with such exquisite precision that I have no idea where I am.
  34. Its a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Kindle has an awfully big price tag for a piece of hardware that gets defiant, by design, when you try to use one of its primary features.

  35. May wallet has a "flag" too... by blankoboy · · Score: 0

    ...it's called the "do not buy flag". Screw you Amazon. Learn the hard way suckers.

  36. Will it run Linux? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, how soon until Linux is running on the thing?

  37. Off Topic: Re:Is there a "money back" flag? by apathy+maybe · · Score: 1

    No it doesn't. That's like saying, "getting a job to stay alive is an endorcement of US capitalism, even though the only other options are starving or illegal activity (which can result in very nasty side affects)".

    As for the quote, it's from the Unix fortune cookie program. Do a search, you can find it in lots of places.

    The point is though, that just because I use tech, doesn't mean I support or endorse capitalism, the state, or any other damn thing associated with the production of the tech. Sure, maybe the "Western" should be dropped. I'll take that into consideration.

    If you want to discuss this further, feel free to head over to RevLeft, make an account, and start a thread (in the Opposing Ideologies section at a guess, unless you are a leftist of some sort). Oh, that's a referrer link, I don't get anything from that except knowing how many people signed up because of it. If you really don't like it, just remove it. (I only mention that 'cause some person got uppity once.)

    --
    I wank in the shower.
    1. Re:Off Topic: Re:Is there a "money back" flag? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      No it doesn't. That's like saying, "getting a job to stay alive is an endorcement of US capitalism, even though the only other options are starving or illegal activity (which can result in very nasty side affects)".

      Wrong! You are committing the logical fallacy of the false dichotomy. Your argument can be boiled down to an assertion that you must either run on the hamster wheel of modern society or die and this is simply not true. Just ask the Amish. They trade with industrial civilization because it's what's there, but they clearly don't depend on it. They could as easily trade with more Amish. (Trade being a useful and fairly ancient invention...)

      The point is though, that just because I use tech, doesn't mean I support or endorse capitalism, the state, or any other damn thing associated with the production of the tech.

      Not precisely, but you vote with your dollars. If all your tech is used then you are only supporting primary sales by increasing resale value through an increase in demand. But when you buy a product from a particular vendor you are voting in the most honest way possible for them to continue doing business as they are, and voting for every other vendor to be more like them. The more dollars spent, the more votes cast. If you buy a used XO from eBay and hook it up to a solar panel you cobbled together from broken pieces then you're casting your vote for efficiency. If you buy a new fully loaded PC made in an unregulated manufacturing plant, you're voting for more of the same old shit.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    2. Re:Off Topic: Re:Is there a "money back" flag? by apathy+maybe · · Score: 1

      Want to argue? Go to the link I provided.

      Needless to say though, for the vast majority of folks in the USA (using one of the more extreme examples here, applies everywhere else as well), it is required that you get a job to survive. Not working simply isn't an option.

      Now clearly tech is not required to survive, however, it is required for a modern lifestyle. Saying, "but you can live without it", is similar to saying, "if you don't like this country, why don't you leave?". Millions of people try that every year (refugees, economic migrants etc.), and funny thing, the 'better' places keep trying to turn them back. (Britain doesn't have such strict immigration rules for the fun of it.)

      So, where should I go that would accept me and is acceptable to me?

      (Oh, and the "invisible hand" of the market is bullshit. Wanna argue that? Go to RevLeft.)

      --
      I wank in the shower.
  38. PDF as solution? by wandazulu · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm interested in the DX because of its native PDF reader, and nothing else. I probably would never buy a book from Amazon to read on it, because everything I want I can get as a PDF, whether it be something technical or literature.

    Because of this, theoretically, I'd be immune to these issues, right? They're my own, drm-free PDFs which can't be remotely deleted or somehow blocked.

    I like the *idea* of the Kindle in that I can carry millions of pages of whatever on a very light device with a good screen. I was trying out my mom's Kindle and I was shocked at how much I *really* liked it; the screen was really great and, while I didn't care for the slow page redraws, it wouldn't be a deal-breaker. Thus I like the DX idea even more; bigger screen, and drm-free content.

    1. Re:PDF as solution? by cdrguru · · Score: 1

      PDF is an absurd format for an e-book. The "pages" are predetermined and fixed. This means that the reader must conform to the page layout, text size, etc. It better have a screen which can handle the pages at full resolution or it is going to look awful. And any extra screen space is a waste of time as well.

      If there was a "standard" page size, you might be OK with PDF, but there isn't anything close. Books come in all sorts of sizes and internationally there is US letter and A4 for other documents.

      So PDF just doesn't work. Of course, Google has popularized the format by distributing books in PDF form - except they are scanned and graphic images. No e-reader is going to do a good job with this.

      What is needed is a format that eliminates the concept of a "page" from the document entirely because different readers are going to have different size screens. Trying to preserve coherence between a printed book and an e-book is a road to madness, and that is exactly where a PDF takes you.

    2. Re:PDF as solution? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've got it backwards. People (like me) want one of this because we already HAVE a shit load of PDFs to read, and reading on a computer screen sucks. We don't want a Kindle so we can go GET some PDFs.

    3. Re:PDF as solution? by commodoresloat · · Score: 1

      I thought the Kindle would not read PDFs without some kind of conversion done by Amazon?

    4. Re:PDF as solution? by Brandee07 · · Score: 1

      Anything you get yourself from a source other than Amazon has no DRM on it.

      If you're paranoid, and since you're not buying from Amazon anyways, just never turn on the Wireless connection. Then, even if some killswitch exists, they can't activate it.

      Remember, even that guy who got his Amazon.com account closed for excessive refunds didn't get his Kindle bricked- he just couldn't re-download the DRMed content. He still HAD that content, just couldn't get new copies from Amazon, and he still had every other document he ever put on that device.

    5. Re:PDF as solution? by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      PDF is an absurd format for an e-book. The "pages" are predetermined and fixed. This means that the reader must conform to the page layout, text size, etc. It better have a screen which can handle the pages at full resolution or it is going to look awful.

      There isn't a "full resolution" for a PDF. There's a page size (defined in physical units), which isn't the same thing, but that can be scaled down anyway - all you need is high enough DPI for the text to remain readable. PDF won't let you reflow the text properly, but if you're just scaling proportionally, you don't really need that.

      For example, you can take an A4 document, and print it out scaled to fit US-Letter. It won't really hurt readability - text will just be slightly smaller.

      Now DX is a different story, because, while it has a larger screen, the DPI is the same as the old models, ~160 (in fact, it's even slightly lower than pre-DX Kindle). Now there scaling A4 down to US-Letter might actually make text small enough to not be legible because of low DPI.

      In practice, all we need is a reader that can handle A4. This will handle US-Letter just fine, and I've yet to see a PDF book that isn't in one of those sizes.

    6. Re:PDF as solution? by LionMage · · Score: 1

      The DX has a built-in PDF reader, and has the ability to side-load the files onto the device. A small but worthwhile improvement.

  39. Same old story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's no faster way to kill a format than to restrict its use. I was considering kindle/ebook material, but not now. If I had purchased a book, and suddenly could not use TTS, I'd be ticked. You'd find me in the 'returns' isle of customer service.

    It's all about your basic greed. Some publishers have said they don't like TTS because they feel it takes away from their audio books sales, and they want to turn it into a copyright violation. Excuse me? Have you listened to a computer read text? Not something you want to do for a long period of time. Believe me, TTS isn't going to impact audio book sales. Chances are, if someone buys a book in print, they won't be buying the audio book version, unless they really, really, really like it - TTS will have no sway in their purchase decisions. Nevertheless, if I bought the content, I can do what I want to with it, within copyright law, which includes fair use (a nasty phrase to media companies), which means if I want my computer to read it, that's my choice.

    It's a slippery slope folks. I can imagine publishers moving to lobby for a DMCA rule against reading books aloud because they want control over everything whether it be print or electronic.

    No, this development has killed the ebook prospect for me. I'll get my books in paper form, or PDF format where available. If there is any restriction whatsoever from being able to view, print, read, etc. any portion of any book, you'll find me in the 'return isle' demanding a refund (and no future business to the particular publisher).

  40. It's 2050. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And you can get a new kidney to replace that vodka-damaged one you have.

    Even more conveniently it is web n.0 integrated and can signal the need for exams/maintenance.

    It "should" not have a kill switch.

  41. Amazon killed my book. Here's why... by flogger · · Score: 5, Informative
    The reason is straight forward: I asked for a refund. The book I ordered had no cover or table of contents/index. For a reference book, this is unacceptable. There was another version with chapters, etc. So I purchased the one I needed and then sent an email asking for a return.

    The following was from the first paragraph of the email:

    I've requested a refund for "NAME OF BOOK OMITTED". Issuing a refund also removes access to the file. If the item is still on your Kindle, please delete that copy. After the refund is issued, you will no longer be able to access it.

    Well, I watched for it, and not only was access to the file removed, The file is no longer present.

    Amazon has the Kill-switch ability to delete content. I am going to assume they have the ability to delete my personal content I add to through the USB.

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    1. Re:Amazon killed my book. Here's why... by flogger · · Score: 1
      I'm an idiot and posted too soon,

      The following was from the first paragraph of the email:

      should say something that indicates that the email excerpt was from Amazon's reply. Feel free to change it in your mind to "The following was from the first paragraph of the email response from Amazon:"

      Sorry for ambiguity. Would love an edit option if no one has replied to a post.

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    2. Re:Amazon killed my book. Here's why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am going to assume they have the ability to delete my personal content I add to through the USB.
       
      You can also assume they can use the credit card on your account to go vacation on the French Riviera, or send goons to your house to give you a wedgie. Given how it would negatively affect Amazon's business to do any of those things, if you worry about them deleting your personal content, your tinfoil hat's on a little too tightly.
       
      In terms of priorities, you should probably worry more that Apple will bracket the Kindle with devices that don't really work as well, but kill the Kindle anyway because, you know, Apple. Shiny.

  42. This is why I won't get a Kindle by Zuato · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Or use most other e-readers. The local library is free and paper backs are cheap - I don't have to worry about someone messing with what I am reading...and if they do I can use the book to beat sense into them (please note hard covers are better for this option than paper backs).

  43. Okay then by Benanov · · Score: 1

    I'll just set the kill bit on this and everything else you write.

    Someone wants to protect their work to this extent should try publishing it in the a public building's unlit basement behind a locked door marked "beware of leopard".

    You have a right to demand to protect your work, and I have a right to respect that right...and to go further and treat your work as if it does not exist.

    (You won't be able to tell if I'm being sarcastic or not, because I would have set my sarcasm level equal to yours, but that'd be a violation of your copyright...so I will simply leave it undefined.)

  44. not all media is the same by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    the music industry has been eaten alive by piracy, simply because digital delivery is the most convenient (you consume it by yourself with headphones primarily), and it's easy to pirate

    however, movies are best enjoyed in a moviehouse, not a 17 inch monitor alone by yourself in the basement, so while movie piracy will be an issue (it will kill the dvd aftermarket and blockbuster/ netflix), it won't threaten moviehouses

    the newspaper needs to be current info, so online material is actually superior to thrown on your doorstep the next morning. so newspapers are withering and dying

    conversely, books are best enjoyed on paper pulp: durable, zero power usage, cheap as heck

    i never understood the kindle or the appeal of it and i don't think it will ever make a big dent in the book reading public apart from the technophiles (people who obsessively buy new tech on the coolness quotient are not necessarily practical people)

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    1. Re:not all media is the same by SteeldrivingJon · · Score: 1

      "conversely, books are best enjoyed on paper pulp: durable, zero power usage, cheap as heck"

      Also: bulky, awkward to handle in some circumstances, very heavy in quantity.

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    2. Re:not all media is the same by DigitalSorceress · · Score: 1

      ... however, movies are best enjoyed in a moviehouse, not a 17 inch monitor alone by yourself in the basement, so while movie piracy will be an issue (it will kill the dvd aftermarket and blockbuster/ netflix), it won't threaten moviehouses ...

      DVDs will survive because usually for $20USD or less, you can buy a copy of a movie that looks great on your big TV at home, is easy to store, doesn't degrade over time, you can pause during playback, and you can watch over and over as much as you want.

      Whereas I question the long-term survivability of cinemas.

      I mean, why would a friend and I pay a combined $10 to $20 (depending on time and location ) for our two tickets and god knows how much more for flat soda and stale popcorn to end up sitting in a room with sticky floors and inevitably obnoxious neighbors when we can just wait for the DVD release and watch it at my house with a moderately big screen, very nice surround sound, and the additional benefits of pauses for bathroom breaks, decent food / snacks / drinks and for those who are so inclined, no smoking ban?

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    3. Re:not all media is the same by Old+Grey+Beard · · Score: 1
      the newspaper needs to be current info, so online material is actually superior to thrown on your doorstep the next morning. so newspapers are withering and dying

      OTOH, it's quite possible your Kindle could contain current copy, delivered fresh every few minutes as reporters rewrite / update their stories. Rather like newspapers in the Harry Potter series, or headlines changing at the end of "Early Edition" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Edition) (for those who remember it).

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    4. Re:not all media is the same by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or like the homeopapes in just about any Philip K. Dick book from the 50's/60's.

  45. Old news by SteeldrivingJon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is old news. The whole brouhaha over this happened months ago. The Kindle 2 came out, with text-to-speech. The Author's Guild whined like little babies claiming it would reduce audiobook sales (presumably they also want to charge you for reading to your kids.) They wanted the functionality removed completely. Amazon reached a compromise, that publishers could opt-out by requesting that it be disallowed on their books.

    There's no point getting your panties in a bunch *now*. The horse is out of the barn. Nor is Amazon the one to complain to. The publishers and the Author's Guild are the ones to complain to.

    If anything, Amazon deserves credit for putting the feature in in the first place without restrictions. Given their business model, you might have expected them to proactively design the feature to the publishers' requirements long before it was released. They might have been like Microsoft who preemptively crippled the Zune's sharing feature.

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    1. Re:Old news by Piranhaa · · Score: 1

      Though not entirely Amazon's fault, I still think they still take some of the blame for this.

      If they threatened the Author's Guild (not sure how big they are) to not release their ebooks, period, perhaps they would have reconsidered. Are they really that ignorant thinking that people can't take a pdf file and setup text-to-speech audio files? Sure Amazon would have lost some possible income to this, but I think the Author's Guild would have had more to lose. The (f?)AG is making a LOT more selling an ebook vs a physical book - no warehouse, shelves to store it, shipping, etc. There's little to no extra overhead selling an electronic ebook, so there's a huge cost saving there. They *should* pass on some of the savings to the consumer (maybe even giving a FREE audio book as an incentive).

      This is just another example of these people getting greedy and not embracing the digital age. I, for one, will now go out of my way to ensure I don't purchase anything from this "Author's Guild" (which I never even heard of before), and I will pass the word onto fellow friends and relatives. I hope Amazon (AT LEAST) puts in BIG BOLD LETTERS on their site for those using this 'kill switch'.

    2. Re:Old news by SteeldrivingJon · · Score: 1

      " The (f?)AG is making a LOT more selling an ebook vs a physical book - no warehouse, shelves to store it, shipping, etc. There's little to no extra overhead selling an electronic ebook, so there's a huge cost saving there."

      The Author's Guild is basically a union-type organization, not a business. I doubt they benefit directly from the economics of ebook vs. paper. The members just get whatever royalties their contracts with their publishers specify. And the publishers negotiate deals with Amazon for e-publishing. Assuming that there is a larger profit in kindle sales, it's hard to say how much of that works its way down to the authors.

      The authors might get a different, higher royalty on an audiobook, and authors probably get extra money if they are the *reader* featured on the audiobook. So from that perspective sales 'lost' due to free text-to-speech in the kindle might hurt some authors a bit.

      It's a bit like the whole MP3 music sales thing (iTunes vs. labels vs. artists, who gets the money), only authors seem to have more influence than musicians.

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    3. Re:Old news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No Amazon dropped the ball. They have the hot new in-thing of the moment, they should have said this is the way tech is going and if you don't like it we'll turn it in to your worst PR-nightmare.

      Apple did this with media companies (like NBC) and they all come back to the table eventually. Instead Amozon choose to bend over and spread their cheeks, pissing off the people they need the most: customers.

      I for one am going to laugh very hard at Amazons' expense when Apple finally come out with their "large iphone"/"small tablet" device a couple of years down the line. They just threw away the ebook market.

    4. Re:Old news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, they took functionality back which they had previously sold. I believe that they should be sued.

    5. Re:Old news by SteeldrivingJon · · Score: 1

      "No, they took functionality back which they had previously sold. I believe that they should be sued."

      I'd like to see confirmation that they are actually turning off the feature in already-purchased books. I haven't seen that.

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  46. The bigger issue with Kindle... by 2obvious4u · · Score: 1

    The Kindle is a platform and distribution tool, however Amazon believes it is much more. I was listening to NPR the other day and one of the Newspaper execs was describing the contract to distribute their paper using the Kindle. Did you know that the Kindle contract is 70% for amazon and 30% for the content provider? Not only that but then amazon claims ownership of the content to distribute it to other platforms?

    1. Re:The bigger issue with Kindle... by SteeldrivingJon · · Score: 1

      "Not only that but then amazon claims ownership of the content to distribute it to other platforms?"

      I suspect that's only there to support things like the Kindle iPhone app, but the legalize makes it seem like a bigger deal.

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  47. Re:As I said to your wife, "Fuck me." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    she acts that way, but shove a cock in her face and she sucks like her life depends on it. I don't think I've ever seen anyone so willing and eager to toss salad, either.

  48. That's why I stick with dead tree books by J.R.+Random · · Score: 1

    Technologically the Kindle makes my vast book collection look terribly old fashioned, if not outright obselete. But DRM has made it a non-starter for me. I'm perfectly willing to pay for content. I buy technical books with prices well north of $100. But once I've bought a book I want to be the one who decides if I'm going to have it read out loud to me, or how I back it up, and when in 5 years a competitor comes out with a reader that makes Amazon's Kindle look like a 1980s PC I want to be able to move all the books I've bought to it.

  49. And this a surprise? by Vinegar+Joe · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So I think I'll stick to paper, thank you very much.

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  50. Not an issue by james_orr · · Score: 1

    This is something the publishers insisted on so text to speech wouldn't impact sales of audio books. If you have a problem with it, blame the publisher.

    Personally, I'd rather have an e-book with no text to speech than no e-book at all.

  51. Kindle is a Swindle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't buy from Amazon, enemy of your freedom!

  52. Oh no he didn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is my post. I wrote it. Is is a creative and inventive work which benefits society at large. Moreover, it is a concrete example of intellectual property. This post, that you are reading right now, belongs to me. It is mine.

    This post is mine in the same way that my house, or car or clothes are mine. These words that I have written are given as much protection as freedom of speech or to vote. They need it. If just anyone is allowed to come along and copy them, or alter them, or include them in another work without my permission, then it will be as though my right to speak freely has been taken away, or I have been disenfranchised.

    If someone else reads these words without paying me, or worse sells them to others to read, I will have been robbed. It will be as if my home was burned down, or my family sold into slavery. An injustice of the highest order.

    These words need protections. Strong protections. This post needs to be defended, even as it is copied endless and effortlessly across millions of computers, each recopying it hundreds of times, at negligible expense. The worth of these words is worth more than all the bits it occupies in cyberspace. Indeed, their worth is worth more than the worth of cyberspace, and even society itself.

    For if these words, if this post cannot be afforded the most stringent, uncompromising and sacred protection that our society has to offer, then our society will not be worth the bits it is represented on. The reality of digital worldwide transmission must not be allowed to compromise the most fundamental rights we have. The protection of this post is a challenge which our civilization must meet, or else our civilization must fall.

    This post and all related materials, Copyright © ObsessiveMathsFreak 2009.

    All rights reserved, worldwide.

    None of the materials provided in this post site may be used, reproduced or transmitted, in whole or in part, in any form or by any means, electronic or mechanical, including photocopying, recording or the use of any information storage and retrieval system, without express permission in writing from the author, along with suitable monetary compensation.

    Unauthorized use of the materials in this post are subject to prosecution to the fullest exent allowable by law.

  53. Easy Answer : Don't Buy Kindle! by Weezul · · Score: 1

    Don't buy a kindle. Just don't. Don't even buy from Amazon if you can avoid it. abebooks is cheaper & doesn't fuck people over.

    iLiad reads pdf file far better than Kindle and lets you take notes and annotate books. So you know it might actually be useful for reading stuff besides novels.

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  54. Is this too much to ask for? by JustNiz · · Score: 1

    I just want a simple e-ink display e-book reader with no whispernet, no wifi, no vendor lock-in, no drm, absolutely no advertising or marketing, especially where it is not disableable or disguised as extra "features".
    It should at least be able to open pdf and plain text files. It should act like a generic usb flash drive, so no need for extra drivers or to install software on the PC. You just plug iit in the USB, copy the file to the reader from a PC and you're done.
    It should take normal batteries, so you can buy new batteries at airports etc. and/or use nicads rather than rely on some built-in battery that you have to send it back to the manufacturer to replace.
    It shouyld automatically sense if nicads are being used, and give you the option to recharge from the USB, os that you don't need to also carry a seperate charger.
    On style/appearance, the device should ultra minimal and nearly all screen. No ugly fat plastic frame or ugly arrays of buttons.
    At least 8GB storage, or even better, an SD slot. why in these days when you can buy 16gb thumb drives for $30 are even new devices like the kindle 2 limited to such a stupidly small 2GB?

    1. Re:Is this too much to ask for? by Skraut · · Score: 1

      Perhaps you're looking for the eslick?

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  55. the kindle is garbage, go REB1200!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the kindle is garbage, go REB1200!!

    seriously how am I supposed to hold the dang thing when it's all slim, and what up with this terrible remote control garbage... I guess the e-ink stuff might be somewhat cool but even that flashes when you turn a page. REB1200 for life! : P

    1. Re:the kindle is garbage, go REB1200!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      err, 1100 not 1200~! this is the one I have its b&w and I can convert anything into it's format.

  56. But.. by maillemaker · · Score: 1

    >The local library is free and paper backs are cheap...

    But you have to drive to the library, pick up the book, and return it in a certain amount of time.

    Wouldn't it be nice to download it, read it, and let the book simply "evaporate" in a certain amount of time?

    I would not trust a Kindle to /purchased/ books. But I think it would be a fantastic platform for delivering borrowed content, just like library books, for free.

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    1. Re:But.. by Zuato · · Score: 1

      That would be an excellent idea if you could borrow like that - I would consider a Kindle or something similar at that point.

    2. Re:But.. by kent_eh · · Score: 1

      >The local library is free and paper backs are cheap...

      But you have to drive to the library, pick up the book, and return it in a certain amount of time.

      Or just walk across the street during my lunch break. YMMV

      Wouldn't it be nice to download it, read it, and let the book simply "evaporate" in a certain amount of time?

      I would not trust a Kindle to /purchased/ books. But I think it would be a fantastic platform for delivering borrowed content, just like library books, for free.

      That's the thing. If they could make a borrowed book "evaporate" there's nothing to stop a future unilateral change to the TOS to cause that function to be used on a bought book, if (for instance) the author/publisher/distributor/political_power_structure decides to retract the book for some reason.

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  57. Everyone is upset about this, but not me. by maillemaker · · Score: 4, Interesting

    To me, this flagging ability should be viewed as a good thing.

    All books should be available from the library FOR FREE. You go to the library, you borrow the book, and you return it in two weeks. You can re-check it out again for another 2 weeks if you want.

    This flagging ability COULD allow this to be done without driving to the library. You COULD use this to NEVER buy a book. You simply "check it out" for 2 weeks and then it vanishes.

    Now I'm skeptical that it will ever be allowed to work this way, but this is the way such devices SHOULD work. If I can go check out a physical copy for 2 weeks, why not a digital copy? If it's free, I don't mind if it vanishes in 2 weeks, just like a library loan would.

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    1. Re:Everyone is upset about this, but not me. by syousef · · Score: 1

      All books should be available from the library FOR FREE. You go to the library, you borrow the book, and you return it in two weeks. You can re-check it out again for another 2 weeks if you want.

      This flagging ability COULD allow this to be done without driving to the library. You COULD use this to NEVER buy a book. You simply "check it out" for 2 weeks and then it vanishes.

      The only reason you have to return a book to the library at all is that unless you do so no one else can borrow it. With a digital copy there is no need for time restrictions. (Unless you're suggesting the library delete their copy while you have it out). What you're suggesting in practice is no different to peer to peer distribution which people are already doing. It is however illegal because it means the author (and more to the point the publisher) doesn't get a cut.

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  58. Random House = Terrorists by Kartoffel · · Score: 1

    According to the latest Department of Homeland Security fear tactic, anyone engaging in "cyber-attacks" is now a terrorist.

    Random House has begun vandalizing consumers' property without their consent. Did anyone sign a EULA permitting Random House to disable text-to-speech? If not, Random House is essentially conducting "cyber terrorism".

    Now realistically, I'm not in favor of sending the CEO of Random House to gitmo... but you can see how there is a double standard for corporations vs. individuals.

  59. Winston Smith comments... by querist · · Score: 1

    Winston Smith, a loyal worker in the Ministry of Truth, clearly denies these allegations. "There is no need for such a capability, because history never changes."

    By the way, Comrade Dimedici, some employees from MiniLove will be arriving shortly to escort you to Room 101.

  60. Customer is always right? by spun · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No. The customer is right unless them being right interferes with another, bigger customer being right. Or it interferes with a number of other customers being right. That's the way it really works.

    The way it should work is, the customer is only right if they are not wrong. In most of Europe, if you go into an establishment looking to have your butt smooched and every single one of your sniffy little needs met, you will be shown the door rather than letting you waste the employee's and other customer's time.

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    1. Re:Customer is always right? by cayenne8 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Has no one hacked the Kindle yet?!?!

      I'm surprised this 'feature' wasn't already known about and defeated by now....

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    2. Re:Customer is always right? by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No. The customer is right unless them being right interferes with another, bigger customer being right. Or it interferes with a number of other customers being right. That's the way it really works.

      A smart business should be careful with that logic. Customer Y might be bigger than customer X, but if Y buys 2 $100 items, and X buys 10 $25 items in the same period, they'd better think twice about pissing off X.

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    3. Re:Customer is always right? by spun · · Score: 1

      You parsed that wrong. By 'bigger customer,' I did not mean 'bigger entity that is a customer,' I meant 'customer that buys more.'

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    4. Re:Customer is always right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      In most of Europe, if you go into an establishment looking to have your butt smooched and every single one of your sniffy little needs met, you will be shown the door rather than letting you waste the employee's and other customer's time.

      Reading through your snide bullshit, this quote further shows the extremes of European assholery. I mean, that's how I want all of my transactions to go down. I go in, spend my money and when the shit isn't right, I'm looked at as the one in the wrong and a burden on the business's and other customers' time. Fuck you, buddy. I'll be happy to continue living somewhere where businesses know how to treat the people that pay their bills. Stupid Eurocunt piece of shit.

    5. Re:Customer is always right? by tiananmen+tank+man · · Score: 1

      He said "almost" always right, why do you want to correct him? So with this remote kill switch in the kindle, you think the customer is wrong?

    6. Re:Customer is always right? by Nikker · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's probably better no one touches it. The kindle is a cool concept but it is being sold into the hands of avid (book) readers, who on average open up to a much wider audience that are likely on average more intelligent then bloggers ;)

      Let them get burned they are smart enough to take care of these things on their own. Sometimes I think these companies sell all this DRM crap because they know it will be cracked. This way a large portion of the suckers will get caught on the treadmill and the ones who other wise would have asked for the companies head on a steak, will default to cracking their device to get it to work and keep quiet.

      I personally hope all of the tech savvy back away from this and for once let a company release something and let their customers suffer for a bit. When Jane Doe pays for something and finds out the company doesn't want her to have certain options available to her that's when you will have a good reason to fight back. It's not so easy to do that when you've already hacked the crap out of it and its downloading torrents while calculating your BMI after your breakfast reading.

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    7. Re:Customer is always right? by spun · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Hahaha, I'm an American. YHBT, YHL, HAND.
      How ya like my upmods, bitch? Who's yer Daddy? Say it, call me Daddy...

      (Cartman voice) Sweeeeeet!

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    8. Re:Customer is always right? by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      >>>No. The customer is right unless them being right interferes with another, bigger customer being right.

      I see the point you're making, i.e. Amazon is just catering to their other bigger customer Random House, but ultimately Random House is nothing without people buying books. Random House is also shooting themselves in the foot. I bought books with the understanding they could be "read" to me, and now suddenly RH has disabled them. I think that's dishonest and I'm boycotting all their products.

      Let's see how long the "big customer" called Random House survives without us smaller customers handing them money. Probably they'll end-up in the same state as Chrysler.

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    9. Re:Customer is always right? by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      >>>In most of Europe, if you go into an establishment looking to have your butt smooched and every single one of your sniffy little needs met, you will be shown the door rather than letting you waste the employee's and other customer's time.
      >>>

      The same is true in America, but the standard is higher. Most American businesses recognize that everybody has a bad day, and proper handling of an angry customer means you'll save the relationship, and get their business on some future day. Calling security and throwing them out means losing business, not just with that customer, but also everyone else who observes the scene. "Did you see that? He tried to return defective shoes, and Walmart threw him out the door. I'm not shopping here any more." "Me neither"

      MEP Daniel Hannon observed that the EU is losing business at a rapid pace. Perhaps mistreatment of customers is one of those reasons. Why shop with a rude EU corporation when you can better service elsewhere?

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    10. Re:Customer is always right? by spun · · Score: 1

      I'm talking about the jerk customers that take up time and energy for no good reason. Personally, when I see people like that getting the boot from an establishment, I cheer. When I was in Europe, I got great customer service, because I'm not a jerk.

      Daniel Hannan is a conservative from southern England who has an antagonistic attitude towards the EU. Take anything he says with a grain of salt. But in any case, who isn't losing business at a rapid pace? It sounds like you have philosophical issues with the EU that color your emotions, so much so that any positive mention of the EU simply MUST be countered.

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  61. We're getting away from the point. by BrokenHalo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In the article (someone has to read it, but what the hell, this is /.), the subject of piracy is not an issue.

    The point you're all missing is that any legally downloaded copy of a book can be prevented from being accessed via TTS by a customer with some form of reading disability.

    I have no axe to grind regarding the merits (or otherwise) of the technology, but the point is that if you have paid for the content, you should be allowed to access it however you want. Deliberately locking out legitimate users with disabilities is seriously bad medicine, and anyone who does so deserves all the bad karma he'll get.

  62. So what alternatives to Kindle exist? by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 1

    I would like a cheap way to read the PDF and CHM files I already purchased on my computer to be read via an eBook. I want an open sourced eBook so I know they won't put in Killflags and take away my rights and freedoms for the eBooks I already bought.

    Right now my eBook reader is my Laptop and Desktop systems.

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  63. We teach dyslexic kids by zerofoo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The entire reason we bought Kindles was the text to speech function. Our school teaches dyslexic kids and any technology that allows these kids to read ANY book, whether or not an audio book version is available, is extremely useful.

    Without unlimited text to speech kindles are reduced, from a useful teaching tool, to simply a nifty gadget. Without TTS, there is very little to justify the cost of these over other e-book readers.

    Good job Amazon! You've just allowed your book publishers to kill a potentially HUGE market for these things - schools.

    -ted

  64. This is why I will not buy one. by strangeattraction · · Score: 1

    The truth is Amazon's implementation is is the best but still not good enough for me to purchase. Anything that [put arbitrary limitations on things is of no use to anyone. In there defense you don't necessarily have to buy books from the A**holes at Random Hose however.

  65. Who cares about Kindle - I have ThinkPad Tablet PC by CodeArt · · Score: 1

    Who cares about Kindle, device that has been made by greedy corporation to extort money. I have ThinkPad X61 Tablet PC with Vista and the touch-sensitive screen, 1400x1050 screen resolution, pen, screen rotation, full colour, support for all possible document formats (not same "fake" PDF support as has been announced for Kindle). Certainly there is a need for a specific document-centric computers but we will have to wait little bit more until we get hardware that betetr support all document formats, has a colour screen and is more expandable.

  66. make your own? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    /me points to the tags below the summary.

    tag: baselessspeculation

  67. Annoying? Yes. Disturbing? Not entirely. by Lord+Jester · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I have a Kindle (2), purchased just under a month ago.

    While it is annoying that these flags exist, it is part of the TOS that you have to agree to.

    Personally, the TTS feature is not of great value to me. If I'd been concerned with audio books, I would not have purchased a device to read them. Besides, it is clearly stated on the product page that the TTS is experimental and available where allowed by the publisher.

    However, I fairly certain that the flag exists in the book itself and not in the Kindle. If a publisher decides to withdraw TTS rights, Amazon only needs to update the book in you server side library and upon next sync, you receive the updated book that blocks TTS. Otherwise, the Kindle's minimal storage would need to be used to maintain a database of disallowed content for the TTS tools. From a developer standpoint, that is poor implementation.

    Any large scale functionality changes require a firmware upgrade. Currently my Kindle is unable to receive these as I have a hack to use custom idle screens. I have to remove the hack in order to update.

  68. Just go buy the book... by Torontoman · · Score: 1

    I long for the day that a Kindle-like app will make things free and universal as the Ipod has. However closer it brings us to that moment- it's not there yet and simply buying the book is a wonderful choice that gets people out of this discussion.

    1. Re:Just go buy the book... by Brandee07 · · Score: 1

      Think back a few years, when Apple sold DRMed music, before iTunes+.

      Apple had to have a big market and be generating a lot of revenue to get enough clout to force the music industry to give up on DRM- and even then they had to concede the flat pricing.

      I hope that in time Amazon will be able to do the same for the publishing market, but they can't do it unless they have a customer base.

  69. why do they pipe canned laughter over sitcoms? by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    because the laughter heightens the experience

    the death of the movie house was predicted because of tv in the 1950s for chirssake. and the business still grew. vcr, dvd, internet: it was all supposed to kill movie houses. every year the business does bigger business. why do people go to church instead of receive spiritual enlightenment at home by themselves? because we are social animals. despite babies and cell phones, people actually like the laughs and oohs of the crowds around them, it enhances the experience of the movie

    not that there aren't asocial outliers such as yourself. there's always cranks

    fact is, they could make movie tickets $20/ head, have crying babies and cell phones as mandatory background noise, and moviehouses would still do gangbuster business

    sure, you can talk about home theatre systems, which most people can't afford, and you can talk about inviting your friends over, which is not something easy to coordinate. not even your closest friends want to watch the latest crank high voltage movie with you on the spur of the moment, out of other commitments, they don't like that movie, or they actually do hate your smoking, etc. and just try to coordinate more than 2 friends. no: you're watching alone. which is lame

    the moviegoing experience has a long and profitable future ahead of it, in spite of all the whiny cranks. because, in the end, your spoken words don't actually match your actions (that is, you whine, but still go back to the theatre anyways). or, if you actually don't go to the movie theatres for what are actually minor complaints, then you are just a vanishing small minority that can be safely ignored: the chronically unsatisfiable crank. your opinion has no meaningful value as to the behavior of most of us, as your opinion and behavior is a tiny minority of actual human behavior that has no resonance

    tv was supposed to kill theatres, then vcrs, then dvds, the internet, then hd theatre... bullshit, bullshit, bullshit

    this is the reality of the "dying" cinema:

    http://www.boxofficemojo.com/yearly/

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  70. getting so pissy about M$ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    shows that you are childish too and unable to filter out things that really do not matter.

    So use that back at them.

    Tell them if it is so childish, why are they unable to let it pass? Pretty infantile to get wound up about childish things isn't it?

  71. Kindle was never suitable for schools by Weezul · · Score: 1

    You can't use the Kindle for school books because too many students need to take notes on books, which Kindle doesn't support. Schools need to use the iLiad.

    Specials needs kids are by definition a special market. You can't expect any product to cater to them without being so designed.

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    1. Re:Kindle was never suitable for schools by Brandee07 · · Score: 1

      You can't use the Kindle for school books because too many students need to take notes on books, which Kindle doesn't support.

      Actually... it does. That's kinda what the keyboard below the screen is for.

  72. fraud? by belmolis · · Score: 1

    I haven't seen the contracts, if any, that are signed when purchasing a Kindle or content for it, but this sounds like fraud and breach of contract. If they advertise that you get certain capabilities with the Kindle and can do certain things with the content and then disable these capabilities after sale, they have fraudulently advertised their products and have breached any contracts that may have been entered into unless those contracts authorize such behavior.

  73. Kindling the Competition by MarkvW · · Score: 1

    The world is waiting for a reader that is open-source friendly. Like an Android reader . . .

    Once that competition comes, Amazon will back off the restrictions. Until then . . . we wait.

    Amazon doesn't want to damage their core business of selling books. When a hardware maker builds a better ebook, things will change.

    1. Re:Kindling the Competition by Killjoy_NL · · Score: 1

      https://www.irexshop.com/
      Try these, they are supposed to be quite good.

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  74. Kindle Content Return Policy by schmiddy · · Score: 4, Informative

    From the Kindle Content Return Policy:

    Any content you purchase for Kindle from the Amazon Kindle store is eligible for return and refund if we receive your request within 7 days of the date of purchase. Once a refund is issued, the item will be removed from Your Media Library and will no longer be readable on your Kindle.

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    1. Re:Kindle Content Return Policy by JPLemme · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So what happens if you buy a book and they disable the TTS capability 10 days later? You're SOL?

    2. Re:Kindle Content Return Policy by Brandee07 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Out of the 63 Kindle books I've purchased since Feb 08, only one has had TTS Disabled (Cesar Milan's "A Member of the Family," purchased Nov 2008)

      The return policy states quite clearly seven days, not seven months, but I've submitted a return request on the basis of TTS anyway.

      I'll let you know what happens.

    3. Re:Kindle Content Return Policy by Brandee07 · · Score: 2, Informative

      From Amazon Customer Support:

      If you check your records under the View Your Digital Orders link at www.amazon.com/your-account you'll see that you purchased this book in November of 2008. At that time, there was no text-to-speech function available for the Kindle (Original), and we had not yet made any announcements about Kindle 2 or its text-to-speech option, so there is no less functionality for that book now compared to when it was first purchased.

      Additionally, we cannot refund Kindle purchases that are more than 7 days old. You can read the Kindle Content Return Policy and contact us via phone or e-mail from our Kindle Support pages here:

      http://www.amazon.com/kindlesupport

      They do have a good point. When I bought it, there was no TTS anywhere, as the K2 hadn't been announced.

      I wonder if they'll consider differently for books purchased more recently?

    4. Re:Kindle Content Return Policy by mysidia · · Score: 1

      That's their normal rule, but the situation changes considerably when they sabotage your kindle by cannibalizing text-to-speech without permission.

      You should be able to return not only all your books, but also the Kindle itself, for a complete refund.

    5. Re:Kindle Content Return Policy by mysidia · · Score: 1

      So.. I wonder... what if you want to return your Kindle 2 and all books with TTS capabilities you got after buying the K2?

    6. Re:Kindle Content Return Policy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "They do have a good point. When I bought it, there was no TTS anywhere, as the K2 hadn't been announced."

      True. But you might have bought the Kindle 2 because of TTS. When Kindle 2 came out (I bought one), TTS was a massive plus to most people. Amazon also made a HUGE deal about how they would transfer content from your old Kindle to your new Kindle 2 or at least make it easily available.

      So while you may not have bought the book expecting TTS as that was unannounced, you may have been influenced to purchase an additional Kindle (the Kindle 2) to take advantage of features Amazon strongly advertised would be available (TTS).

      Fact is, Amazon made TTS a buying point of Kindle 2, and failed to deliver the content, even backing out on customers in exclusive favor of publishers and the corrupt Author's Guild. TTS was the reason I bought the Kindle 2, and the backing out was the primary reason I returned it 3 weeks later.

      It's turning out to be a good decision on my part; Amazon's has had nearly 3 months to work this out and only now are coming around?

      "Additionally, we cannot refund Kindle purchases that are more than 7 days old."

      That's freaking disturbing they are even mentioning this. So even if they disabled TTS on a March purchase, they would even contemplate NOT refunding you?

      Anyways, imnsho, Amazon's phrackin stupid. (1) TTS will work on all freely available content NOT purchased on Amazon's Kindle store, but is not available and might be remotely disabled at a future time IF you purchase the work from the Kindle store. (2) This makes Amazon's Kindle store the 2nd place to go for the work, and why Amazon won't implement WiFi while making damn sure cellular data download/WhisperNet was available instead. (3) This will make non-TTS works more likely to be pirated by scraping, OCR'ing, and then putting out a non DRM'd TTS'able format. How is Amazon going to distinguish unless they lock the whole device to DRM, which would probably result in an immediate class action against them, particular by all who by the Kindle DX?

    7. Re:Kindle Content Return Policy by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      >>>I've submitted a return request on the basis of [disabled text-to-speech] anyway. I'll let you know what happens.

      So what happened?

      If this was a physical book I'd simply return it to amazon and then do a chargeback with my credit card. But since it's an e-book, there's no way to do that. Annoying. Using virtual media means the customer loses some of his/her rights (you can't resell it on the used market, and you can't return it).

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    8. Re:Kindle Content Return Policy by Brandee07 · · Score: 1

      An interesting turn of events... a member of the Kindle mailing list I'm on alerted us that books that were purchased before the TTS disabling and redownloaded after still have TTS enabled.

      I just tested it with my Cesar Milan book, re-downloaded this morning, and yes, it still reads it out loud. I wonder why Customer Support didn't tell me this- do they even know?

      This is similar to an earlier experience I had, where I bought a few Kindle books very early on (Coldfire Trilogy by C.S. Friedman), and the author later pulled them from the Kindle Store. The books are still available from Amazon's Media Library for me to re-download, but no one else can purchase them.

  75. Kill Flags by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Kill Flags... less fun.
    6 Flags... more fun!

  76. Why? by commodoresloat · · Score: 1

    If the material is pirated, it's not your own by definition; ideally it should be on a computer that's not your own either!

  77. you missed one by commodoresloat · · Score: 1

    Drug dealers - already paid

  78. Remote Kill Flags Surface In Kindle by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 1

    Now there's a sentence nobody would have understood the year I was born.

    1. Re:Remote Kill Flags Surface In Kindle by Arimus · · Score: 1

      Outside tech community it is still rather obscure...

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  79. What about the parrots! by mac1235 · · Score: 1

    True, you can't line the bottom of a parrot cage with a Kindle. Well, maybe once.

  80. Re:Who cares about Kindle - I have ThinkPad Tablet by commodoresloat · · Score: 1

    Good think your think pad and its operating system were not made by greedy corporations.

  81. mwahahaha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just have to sit back and laugh at the people who willingly give third parties unreasonable control over them. The day e-books become mainstream is the day I will be a sad, sad panda... E-books could be used to *help* people, rather than enslave them. The e-books combined with a free (as in speech) text-to-speech system could benefit blind people in so many ways. Unfortunately, the entire system is under the control of evil people who think readers should have to pay multiple times for the same content.

    Please do society a favor: If your college tries to encourage you to adopt e-books, reject the offer. We cannot let e-books replace paper. I know there is no way in hell I will ever purchase an e-book infected with DRM.

    Another thing, DO NOT believe the crap the marketers will tell you about supposed "lower prices".They will still charge you $10 for a digital book, only now you can't resell it when you're done. IT"S A SCAM!

  82. Non Disclosure Suit by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    I say sue amazon into oblivion.

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  83. Read never flag by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    Will be activated when you try to read a book they ( or the government or a host of other organizations ) consider offensive, or containing forbidden language.

    We need an OSS reader, but i know that isn't realistic due to the investment in the hardware.

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  84. Hacked Firmware? by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    How long?

    Nothing else, having native PDF in the kindle 1 would be nice.

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  85. They should do this: by EkriirkE · · Score: 1

    While I agree TTS on the discounted e-book may present a profit loss to publishers where the comparable audio-book is available, it should remain enabled in all other instances.
    Now, should a user purchase a book with intent for TTS and, due to a disability or other, TTS was disabled for that particular work Amazon should allow refund or purchase of the audio-book at the price difference.

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  86. No Kindle DX for me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I own a Kindle 2 and was seriously considering a Kindle DX for the PDF support but this particular show of a lack of interest in the consumer means I won't be buying another Amazon reader. I love the device, it's truly one of my favorite gadgets and I use it daily but I'm simply not willing to lose functionality just because some media company decides they haven't met their quarterly numbers and that they'll just squeeze it out of the consumer by retroactively revoking functionality, especially when it will have no affect on their numbers. These do nothing create nothing copyright holders who made their money due to risk management of creative endeavors are a dying breed...unfortunately due to an outdated and slow changing legal system they aren't dying fast enough for my taste.

  87. Heart of Darkness by pubwvj · · Score: 1

    Ah, what evil lies in the heart of Kindle... Only the Amazon knows!

  88. Flags of doom! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This just in! Kill flags in Amazon Kindle!
    In a world where file formats are hardware, your Kindle may ATTACK!

    Amazon can remotely tell your Kindle to EXPLODE, killing anyone around you with a noxious chemical known as PETROCYANIDE.
    Amazon can remotely tell your Kindle to DELETE YOUR BRAIN.
    The Amazon Kindle can do all this and more!

    Amazon has yet to respond to these baseless accusations, as nobody has yet told them that I have made them!

    Spread the word sheeple! Amazon is out to get you!

    I don't even want to go into how much of a crock this summary is. Fox News level shit, seriously.

  89. Re:Obey your Overloard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You should not question your corporate overlords. We will discuss that with you during your re-education training.

  90. ADA Lawsuit? by fooslacker · · Score: 1

    Is anyone considering an ADA Lawsuit. Surely those with disabilities that make reading difficult could win this one on the principle that it's not an audio book but similar to an auto reader for the blind.

  91. HA HA HA by Jae686 · · Score: 1

    if you buy a device with such flags, you just plain deserve it. or you could ask for a redund.......oh wait......

  92. It would be neat if... by XDirtypunkX · · Score: 1

    It would be really neat if they had a self-destruct after reading flag. Inspector gadget style.

  93. Like I said... by maillemaker · · Score: 1

    Like I said, I would not trust a Kindle with such functionality to purchased books, but such a device could revolutionize the concept of the public library. Every book in the world could be available for free.

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  94. No Remote Kill Flag: typical /. pearl clutching by SteeldrivingJon · · Score: 1

    THERE IS NO REMOTE KILL FLAG.

    Previously purchased Kindle books are not having text-to-speech disabled remotely. The disabling only applies to books bought after the flag was implemented:

    From mobileread forums:

    "Here's an interesting twist. I just downloaded about 7 books from my Kindle's Archive that are currently listed as having TTS disabled, which I had purchased prior to the implementation of the TTS prohibition, and have found that all them still work just fine with the TTS feature."

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  95. I own a Kindle. This hasn't happened. by whitearrow · · Score: 1

    I actually own a K2. I have at least two books on which TTS has since been disabled. None of my books have changed, even though I've had whispernet on several times. They all still have TTS and there's no indication the files have been changed in any way whatsoever. I think the idea that Amazon is proactively replacing these files is just factually wrong. Nobody on Mobileread has reported this happening either.