Their answer to your particular question, according to NatGeo, is this:
"The U.S. has two of the most powerful non-nuclear icebreakers in the world, the Polar Sea and the Polar Star. They can break over 6 feet [1.8 meters] of ice continuously at [a speed of] three knots. [One of Russia's largest nuclear-powered icebreakers, considered the strongest in the world, could break] probably upwards of ten feet [three meters]. [A ship that is merely "ice-capable"] would break 3 feet [0.9 meter] of ice or less at that speed."
Relevant from that article: "Because sea ice does not stay in the Antarctic as long as it does in the Arctic, it does not have the opportunity to grow as thick as sea ice in the Arctic. While thickness varies significantly within both regions, Antarctic ice is typically 1 to 2 meters (3 to 6 feet) thick, while most of the Arctic is covered by sea ice 2 to 3 meters (6 to 9 feet) thick. Some Arctic regions are covered with ice that is 4 to 5 meters (12 to 15 feet) thick."
I could have sworn Netflix had a documentary series that covered icebreakers in one episode, but I can't find it now - it may be one of those things that comes and goes in their catalog.
What, you've never seen any of those "Call Before You Dig" signs that the utilities companies pepper all over the place? The cost can be a hell of a lot higher than the price of a shovel if you're in a remotely suburban area.
Ice breakers works by driving up onto the ice and then crushing it with the downward force of the icebreaker's weight. The hull reinforcements are largely to allow it to do that specific motion. I'd imagine that a polar resupplier would be somewhat reinforced against ice, but considering the original ship is still crewed to wait out the ice for at least several weeks, I don't think it's a major danger. In the history of Arctic and Antarctic exploration, more than a few ships (including some wooden vessels) have been caught by the ice for up to several years without structural failure. I also don't think the ice really squeezes the ship too hard until very large floes get involved. As long as the ice can go up/down/left/right/etc, it will take the path of least resistance rather than squeezing in on the ship.
Maybe that's why so many government officials are against gay marriage... they don't want to be tied down to backdooring only one thing for the rest of their life.
First one is a joke, second one is ambiguous as to what's a fiasco. Third one is kind of a moron and judging the the use of "lol", is apparently also a joke. None of them are seriously saying anything about China or the Chinese in general. There are a hell of a lot more people criticizing the original group of scientists and the captain of the original (Russian) ship.
Nobody said anything about the helicopter having problems. However, the helicopter is from the Chinese ship that did get stuck, which is a polar resupply ship and not an full-fledged icebreaker. Even if it was an icebreaker, they have significant limits to how much ice they can break through. Therefore, it's not entirely unexpected for a ship, icebreaker or otherwise, to get stuck rescuing another icelocked ship than it is unexpected for a pickup truck to get stuck in mud trying to pull out a car from mud. It's less likely, but certainly not unforeseen.
"Don't forget that Antarctica was void of ice during the Mesozoic era. It was pretty warm then."
As I recall, Antarctica as also north of Australia at that time, and just south of Africa and South America (as in you could walk from one to the other).
To be fair, January is the middle of summer in Antarctica. That said, within the past decade I've still seen it snow in June in NY and have gone outside on Christmas in shorts. Personally, I'm in favor of the God Is Trolling Everybody theory.
I don't think anyone is viewing this as a failure/success by any given country. And the only people that look bad are the scientists from the original ship. If anything, it makes the Chinese look good because they put themselves at risk to save people from a completely different region of the planet. It just looks like you want something to bitch about. If this isn't newsworthy to you, just skip over it. The fact you felt the need to comment on it makes it all the more newsworthy.
If you send a ship to rescue another ship from ice, and that ship gets stuck in ice... I don't think that's exactly an "unforeseen" event. They knew the ice was there. And building up fast. It's a humorous turn of events, sure, but hardly unforeseen.
I haven't had a problem with paper bills in modern vending machines. Maybe you're just bad at figuring at which way is up?
As for coins, they're a pain in the ass to carry around more than two or three. We've had dollar coins for many years, and there's a reason they never caught on. I'd much rather skip the vending machine and not carry any singles than have to carry around coins.
What, pray tell, are my beliefs? The only thing I said was that this incident (the boat being captured by ice) should be disregarded as proof in one direction or another. If it happens again next year and the year after, then it will be something to think about. But just happening one year is meaningless on its own.
Saying that an isolated incident completely disproves global warming is like saying that my diet doesn't work because I gained a gained two pounds last week (ignoring the fact that I've lost an average of.5 lbs/wk over the last two years).
I don't think we were planning on sailing a seagoing ship to Mars, no matter how often that has shown up in anime and Doctor Who (sort of), nor were we planning on doing much sailing on Martian seas, they've been at ultra low tide for quite a few millennia now.
Just look at how much stuff people accepted after 9/11. As a people, we're brave and independent in the face of peace but we damn well want the government to do something if we feel threatened.
He still has incentive to keep his party in power. Politicans are loyal to themselves first, and their party and donors second. If it doesn't affect him, then he will do whatever is best for his party (not to be confused with his constituents) or his donors.
Is it respect for employee privacy or respect for being able to pay drastically different wages for the same job? A lot of times, company rules (official or unofficial) against discussing salaries protect the employer much more than the employees.
Most US states make available public employee salaries, and have been for quite some time. For example: http://seethroughny.net/
The government may not be run like a business, but when you're talking in micro terms of coworkers knowing the salaries of the people they work with, it's very similar.
Slashdot Mirror
http://www.skepticalscience.com/climate-change-global-warming.htm
TL;DR: Both of the terms in question are used frequently in the scientific literature, because they refer to two different physical phenomena.
NatGeo's article on this particular topic answers a lot of questions you won't find on general news sites: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/01/140103-antarctica-ship-icebreakers-science-ice-trapped/
Their answer to your particular question, according to NatGeo, is this:
"The U.S. has two of the most powerful non-nuclear icebreakers in the world, the Polar Sea and the Polar Star. They can break over 6 feet [1.8 meters] of ice continuously at [a speed of] three knots. [One of Russia's largest nuclear-powered icebreakers, considered the strongest in the world, could break] probably upwards of ten feet [three meters]. [A ship that is merely "ice-capable"] would break 3 feet [0.9 meter] of ice or less at that speed."
And if you really get bored, here's an article about how sea ice is very different in the Antarctic compared to the Arctic: http://nsidc.org/cryosphere/seaice/characteristics/difference.html
Relevant from that article: "Because sea ice does not stay in the Antarctic as long as it does in the Arctic, it does not have the opportunity to grow as thick as sea ice in the Arctic. While thickness varies significantly within both regions, Antarctic ice is typically 1 to 2 meters (3 to 6 feet) thick, while most of the Arctic is covered by sea ice 2 to 3 meters (6 to 9 feet) thick. Some Arctic regions are covered with ice that is 4 to 5 meters (12 to 15 feet) thick."
I could have sworn Netflix had a documentary series that covered icebreakers in one episode, but I can't find it now - it may be one of those things that comes and goes in their catalog.
What, you've never seen any of those "Call Before You Dig" signs that the utilities companies pepper all over the place? The cost can be a hell of a lot higher than the price of a shovel if you're in a remotely suburban area.
Ice breakers works by driving up onto the ice and then crushing it with the downward force of the icebreaker's weight. The hull reinforcements are largely to allow it to do that specific motion. I'd imagine that a polar resupplier would be somewhat reinforced against ice, but considering the original ship is still crewed to wait out the ice for at least several weeks, I don't think it's a major danger. In the history of Arctic and Antarctic exploration, more than a few ships (including some wooden vessels) have been caught by the ice for up to several years without structural failure. I also don't think the ice really squeezes the ship too hard until very large floes get involved. As long as the ice can go up/down/left/right/etc, it will take the path of least resistance rather than squeezing in on the ship.
Maybe that's why so many government officials are against gay marriage... they don't want to be tied down to backdooring only one thing for the rest of their life.
First one is a joke, second one is ambiguous as to what's a fiasco. Third one is kind of a moron and judging the the use of "lol", is apparently also a joke. None of them are seriously saying anything about China or the Chinese in general. There are a hell of a lot more people criticizing the original group of scientists and the captain of the original (Russian) ship.
Because they're *really* good at starting conversations with new people. I mean, just look how long this thread is already. They really broke the ice.
Nobody said anything about the helicopter having problems. However, the helicopter is from the Chinese ship that did get stuck, which is a polar resupply ship and not an full-fledged icebreaker. Even if it was an icebreaker, they have significant limits to how much ice they can break through. Therefore, it's not entirely unexpected for a ship, icebreaker or otherwise, to get stuck rescuing another icelocked ship than it is unexpected for a pickup truck to get stuck in mud trying to pull out a car from mud. It's less likely, but certainly not unforeseen.
"Don't forget that Antarctica was void of ice during the Mesozoic era. It was pretty warm then."
As I recall, Antarctica as also north of Australia at that time, and just south of Africa and South America (as in you could walk from one to the other).
I do not think that word is spelled how you think it is spelled.
To be fair, January is the middle of summer in Antarctica. That said, within the past decade I've still seen it snow in June in NY and have gone outside on Christmas in shorts. Personally, I'm in favor of the God Is Trolling Everybody theory.
I don't think anyone is viewing this as a failure/success by any given country. And the only people that look bad are the scientists from the original ship. If anything, it makes the Chinese look good because they put themselves at risk to save people from a completely different region of the planet. It just looks like you want something to bitch about. If this isn't newsworthy to you, just skip over it. The fact you felt the need to comment on it makes it all the more newsworthy.
African or European?
If you send a ship to rescue another ship from ice, and that ship gets stuck in ice... I don't think that's exactly an "unforeseen" event. They knew the ice was there. And building up fast. It's a humorous turn of events, sure, but hardly unforeseen.
I haven't had a problem with paper bills in modern vending machines. Maybe you're just bad at figuring at which way is up?
As for coins, they're a pain in the ass to carry around more than two or three. We've had dollar coins for many years, and there's a reason they never caught on. I'd much rather skip the vending machine and not carry any singles than have to carry around coins.
What, pray tell, are my beliefs? The only thing I said was that this incident (the boat being captured by ice) should be disregarded as proof in one direction or another. If it happens again next year and the year after, then it will be something to think about. But just happening one year is meaningless on its own.
If the ice was covering the globe, you'd have a point. But saying that my basement is cold doesn't prove that my whole house is.
Saying that an isolated incident completely disproves global warming is like saying that my diet doesn't work because I gained a gained two pounds last week (ignoring the fact that I've lost an average of .5 lbs/wk over the last two years).
I don't think we were planning on sailing a seagoing ship to Mars, no matter how often that has shown up in anime and Doctor Who (sort of), nor were we planning on doing much sailing on Martian seas, they've been at ultra low tide for quite a few millennia now.
Just look at how much stuff people accepted after 9/11. As a people, we're brave and independent in the face of peace but we damn well want the government to do something if we feel threatened.
He still has incentive to keep his party in power. Politicans are loyal to themselves first, and their party and donors second. If it doesn't affect him, then he will do whatever is best for his party (not to be confused with his constituents) or his donors.
Is it respect for employee privacy or respect for being able to pay drastically different wages for the same job? A lot of times, company rules (official or unofficial) against discussing salaries protect the employer much more than the employees.
Most US states make available public employee salaries, and have been for quite some time. For example: http://seethroughny.net/
The government may not be run like a business, but when you're talking in micro terms of coworkers knowing the salaries of the people they work with, it's very similar.
You're right... if they keep doing things this quickly, their editorial integrity might start to falter.
Or Chevy will finally take their slogan literally and built a pickup out of rocks.