And how does an audit like that work? They walk into your house and start counting your books, software, etc and asking you to prove where you bought each item? Show receipts for everything in your house?
That's the treatment of the "majority" of physical illness??? In your world, most physical illnessness must == colds and the flu. "Bucking up" and dealing with it stoicly doesn't cut it for AIDS, the numerous cancers, lupus, diabetes, arthritis, degenerative diseases, etc ad infinitum. These are things countless people are dealing with daily, and yes, they insist on treatment. If your eyesight starts failing from degenerative macular disorder, please hope that your doctor doesn't tell you to go home, rest and get back to work in a day or three.
But we, as a society, DON'T insist on treating mental illness, contrary to your claim. We want to ignore it, or ridicule it, or say the symptoms are part of normal life that "strong" (read worthy) people should ride out (all opinions seen here in this discussion). Mental illness is NOT a case of the blues or the blahs or your self-diagnosed melancholia. It is often debilitating and life-wrecking. Seems like/. thinks these people should just get over it. I'm amazed that people who can demonstrate such intelligence in many matters here show such ignorance and smugness on this issue. Dr. Satcher's report is a wake up call to combat such stigma so that hurting people can get help.
"Social Darwinism" was a flawed attempt to put Dawinian _biology_ into social terms. It has been disproven. Most often it was used as a racist "theory" to explain why Africans weren't like Europeans, why whites were superior (according to the proponents of it), etc etc. It was an idea applied to whole racial categories, not induhviduals. It didn't postulate that stupid individuals die early (what, before reproductive age?) due to their stupidity.
But I agree with the point that we Americans are constantly trying to point the blame and refuse to take responsibility. Our news had that sliding door story, too. And I remember a guy who fell several stories from a high rise after walking out past the sundeck of its roof, and he sued the building owners because they didn't have a sign saying "walking at the edge of a tall building's roof can be dangerous and you might slip and fall."
Agreed. Very surreal and devil-may-care about how silly it could all seem. But also disturbing...some scenes were hard to watch. BTW, Was anyone else reminded of Monty Python with the 7 1/2 floor bit, everyone bent over but trying to act natural? Or Time Bandits, with the bit where people are falling out of the sky?
Did my post mention anything about the merits or lack thereof, of Windows 2000? No. My post was about exclusionary HTML authoring practices.
Don't bother replying unless you can be on topic.
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Sometimes I use IE. I used the Opera demo and loved it but didn't buy it. Usually I use Netscape 4.7. If ever I see a site with a warning such as yours, I quickly go away and never return. Funny, I've not noticed any big, successful commercial sites locking me out if I use a Netscape 4.x browser.
My employer has well over 10,000 employees nationwide, and when we recently did a complete NT rollout to get all users onto the same platform, guess what? We chose Netscape as the browser. The computers come with IE 4 on them, but we don't support it and won't be upgrading to IE5.
Multiply my company by others that have gone this direction, and you get a lot of eyeballs that won't be seeing your site(s). It's one thing to state "best viewed on IE" (I even hate those), but your statement editorializes. Do I need that? Certainly not!
Hint: in business, there's something called "professionalism."
This scenario was replayed in Futurama recently. I'd forgotten it came from the Hitchhiker's Guide while watching...I should re-read the series (again).
My office NT workstation turns a brilliant shade of nothing other than BLUE. More often, though, it just gets more and more sluggish if it's up more than 2 days.
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Seriously, most of LA's works are soothing or hypnotic, as opposed to irritating and screeching, and IMO she is quite geeky. Contriving a violin with a playback head on the bridge and tape on the bow was not your average stuff back then. She plays around with stuff, taking items and using them for unintended purposes or combining them to create something new, or taking them apart, etc...sounds kinda geeky to me. Elements she put into music wound up in more mainstream music later. (Same with Ono, BTW...listen to B52's and hear her influence). I do think her vocal delivery lends itself to parody, but so what? And just cuz you don't like it doesn't mean it's crap.
so now he can form a band and write a song going like:
I was in my room and I was like just staring at the wall thinking about everything but then again I was thinking about nothing, and then my mom comes in and I didn't even know she was there and she calls my name and I didn't hear her and then she started screaming, CHRIS, CHRIS, and I go what, what's the matter, and she goes what's the matter with you? I go there's nothing wrong mom, and she goes don't give me that, you're thinking of killing teachers, I go no mom, I'm not homicidal, I'm ok, I'm just thinking, why don't you get me a bean burrito? She goes, no, you're gonna shoot up the school, I go mom, I'm okay, I'm just thinking, she goes no, you're not thinking, you're gonna do a school shooting, normal people don't act that way. I go mom, just get me a bean burrito, please, all I want is a bean burrito, and she wouldn't give it to me, all I wanted was a bean burrito, just one bean burrito, and she wouldn't give it to me, just a bean burrito!
What happens when you listen to a real jukebox? I'll tell you what doesn't happen:
The establishment where jukebox is located doesn't know what songs you played there on past occasions (unless they recognize you and feel like noting what your selections were...unlikely).
The jukebox manufacturer has no idea who has requested the songs, or what your playlist history is, or what your e-mail address is or your name, etc. etc. They can't build a marketing profile on you.
I like the analogy another respondant to this thread used: according to your view, it's ok if every time you browse in a shop, buying something or not, they require you to fill out a registration card and they follow you around, making notes about what things you're looking at.
Plus, your "they should be allowed to monitor you" attitude brings up this scenario: would you find it acceptable if, everytime you called a store to get information, a price quote, directions to their store, etc, they asked you your name, address and phone number? People's desire for some anonymity and privacy is not silly, like you seem to paint it, and interacting in society does not demand that we surrender our privacy. Some things strangers have no right to know about us.
2) Abraham Lincoln, one of America's most-revered presidents. While not a believer in a non-Christian religion, he expressed great doubts about Christianity. At 25 years old he wrote an essay disputing the divinity of Christ. Before being elected to the House of Representatives, he declared in a published handbill "That I am not a member of any Christian Church, is true". Yet he was elected to the House, and later to the Presidency. There you go.
3)Non-US "Christian" nations have had female leaders. Margaret Thatcher comes to mind. If you think most Christians have a problem with a female president, you have a very simplistic (might I say like a fundamendalist) view of the matter.
Are you running Redhat and did you add the line in fontpath as recommended by Redhat? My Netscape also crashed immediately upon encountering any applets but the Redhat fix worked.
I hate it when people point to DC as an example of gun restrictions and high crime rate going hand in hand!
Some education for you: DC is bordered by Virginia and Maryland, two states well-known for lax gun laws (especially Virginia). Virginians howled in protest when some people wanted to restrict individual's rights to carry guns into community recreational centers, for instance. Despite DC's law against hand gun ownership (long guns are allowed), hand guns flood in from VA and MD and elsewhere. Heard of Interstate 95? Gun running? Especially before laws in VA restricted the number of guns sold per month per individual, the practice of straw men buying guns only to take them to DC for resale was common.
Furthermore, crime is higher in DC than in neighboring suburban or further out rurual districts because, get this, it's an urban area! More people per square mile, more poverty, more extremes of wealth disparity, more concentration of drug use, ergo, more crime. Do you seriously think DC's crime rate would drop if they permitted hand gun ownership, and that criminals would then be too scared to commit crime? Ha! Your comparison of crime rates between small town Texas and a major metropolitan area and concluding it's gun ownership (or lack thereof) that makes the difference is really stretching logical thought.
Anyway, DC's crime rate has been falling recently. Any ideas why?
First, he apparently wasn't into this just for the chatting. Chatting was a means to an end, and he expressed definite interest in sex with minors and boasted of having sex with a 16 year old. Sure, some people like to go into chats and claim all sorts of things, but this guy was definitely predatory.
If he thought he was just acting out a fantasy with a woman who was of legal age but they were pretending she was under-age, wouldn't you think he'd be concerned about the law and her true age, and upon meeting her ask for some proof of age? If I had a need to act out some kiddie-sex fetish but only in a fantasy sense, I'd sure make sure I was with an adult lest I get my ass arrested.
She did not have to be 13 for his actions to be a crime.
The FBI had what the news sources call a female deputy waiting for him, alone (seemingly) at the meeting place. Now, I think anyone can be deputized for a specific purpose, so this could actually have been a 13 year old, just as the police will send in real minors to try to purchase cigarettes and alcohol to check stores' compliance with those laws. Perhaps this deputy wasn't 13, but a young-looking 18...doesn't matter. He had stated his desire to meet a minor for the purpose of sex, and there he was, as promised, ready to commit the act. And upon meeting the girl, he didn't back out and say it was all just a game.
I've seen several stories of arrests of men who either had sex with or propositioned sex from minors, both boys and girls, and they used chat rooms to get things started. You're naive if you think it's all role playing or a joke, and you're worse than naive if you think it's ok.
oh, bosh. Likening the Internet, and/. in particular, to a "crime syndicate" is silly.
Look at it this way: let's suppose Ford made a car with the keyless entry system, and designed it so that merely by pushing all the buttons simultaneously the doors would unlock. Maybe the engineers knew that would happen, maybe they didn't. But then people chance upon it and spread the word around, via word of mouth and/or Internet.
If my Ford got stolen in this manner, sure, I'd be mad at the thief and want him caught and prosecuted. But I'd also be mad as hell if I found out the theft was due to oversight on Ford's part that made it simple to circumvent the car's security. Especially if I found that Ford KNEW about the exploit and decided to still sell these cars, even if just one car, after hearing about it.
Would I be angry at people who had shared this info with others? Would I want them prosecuted? No.
You hope that a database is built logging identities of people posting comments. Well, that's a nice totalitarian sentiment. For your sake, I hope you never visit any sites that you wouldn't want your mother to know about, or ever once discuss something you wouldn't want aired in public. Because what you wish for could be applied to you as well.
And your ominous tone is silly, too. Look, I'll say "I broke into the Pentagon's computers" logged in, not AC.
I've read various reports and comments that this particular exploit was known for a long time, but I don't know how long ago Passport was implemented. And seems like there are other ways into Hotmail. On Monday I did a brief search on dejanews for "hotmail" and I did see a lot of requests for hacks to Hotmail. Some responses indicated that there were programs to hack it or gain passwords, but none of the posts dealt with yesterday's exploit! Must not have been scanning the "with-it" newsgroups....anyway, I didn't see any offers of these programs for download or even names of such programs, they were just alluded to. And many of the kiddies asking "help me hack Hotmail!" had Hotmail addresses! Hehehehehe....that was too tempting!
MS spokeswoman Erin Sanford is quoted as saying, "The security of our system is paramount and it was necessary to shut down Hotmail for a short period to stop this difficulty. We will be looking at how the information which created this problem was made public."
So, MS is saying the publishers of the exploit are the ones responsible for the problem. No way could it be MS's fault!
Here's what Hotmail has to say about the crack now:
Dear Valued Customer,
You may be aware from published reports that today MSN Hotmail experienced service issues that have generated questions about security.
Microsoft was notified early Monday morning (August 30, 1999) of a potential security vulnerability that could enable unauthorized access to Hotmail servers.
Typical underplaying. Plus, it's confusing - it states the problem occured "today"..well, I'm reading it on Tuesday. The typical non-techie reader of that might read that and think "huh?" and continue on, business as usual. He/she might think twice about using Hotmail if their public announcement stated,
"For some time, Hotmail accounts were open to anyone possessing knowledge of a hack that was widely distributed on the Internet. People with this knowledge, which was fairly simple, could read your email, delete it, and/or send email impersonating you. We don't know if any of this happened to you, but on Monday, after this exploit was featured on several news sites, we kept Hotmail up for hours while probably millions of people roamed through the Hotmail service, gaining unauthorized access to countless accounts. Cross your fingers. Thank you, and we hope you continue to enjoy our superior service."
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Yeah, when did it become such a challenge to spell this word? I'm getting tired of all the "lucing" being done on /. by those "lucers".
And how does an audit like that work? They walk into your house and start counting your books, software, etc and asking you to prove where you bought each item? Show receipts for everything in your house?
Don't tell ME working near the Rockville Pike is living!
a very inside joke
But we, as a society, DON'T insist on treating mental illness, contrary to your claim. We want to ignore it, or ridicule it, or say the symptoms are part of normal life that "strong" (read worthy) people should ride out (all opinions seen here in this discussion). Mental illness is NOT a case of the blues or the blahs or your self-diagnosed melancholia. It is often debilitating and life-wrecking. Seems like /. thinks these people should just get over it. I'm amazed that people who can demonstrate such intelligence in many matters here show such ignorance and smugness on this issue. Dr. Satcher's report is a wake up call to combat such stigma so that hurting people can get help.
But I agree with the point that we Americans are constantly trying to point the blame and refuse to take responsibility. Our news had that sliding door story, too. And I remember a guy who fell several stories from a high rise after walking out past the sundeck of its roof, and he sued the building owners because they didn't have a sign saying "walking at the edge of a tall building's roof can be dangerous and you might slip and fall."
Agreed. Very surreal and devil-may-care about how silly it could all seem. But also disturbing...some scenes were hard to watch. BTW, Was anyone else reminded of Monty Python with the 7 1/2 floor bit, everyone bent over but trying to act natural? Or Time Bandits, with the bit where people are falling out of the sky?
Don't bother replying unless you can be on topic.
My employer has well over 10,000 employees nationwide, and when we recently did a complete NT rollout to get all users onto the same platform, guess what? We chose Netscape as the browser. The computers come with IE 4 on them, but we don't support it and won't be upgrading to IE5.
Multiply my company by others that have gone this direction, and you get a lot of eyeballs that won't be seeing your site(s). It's one thing to state "best viewed on IE" (I even hate those), but your statement editorializes. Do I need that? Certainly not!
Hint: in business, there's something called "professionalism."
This scenario was replayed in Futurama recently. I'd forgotten it came from the Hitchhiker's Guide while watching...I should re-read the series (again).
My office NT workstation turns a brilliant shade of nothing other than BLUE. More often, though, it just gets more and more sluggish if it's up more than 2 days.
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And I'm thrilled that I got to meet both
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Seriously, most of LA's works are soothing or hypnotic, as opposed to irritating and screeching, and IMO she is quite geeky. Contriving a violin with a playback head on the bridge and tape on the bow was not your average stuff back then. She plays around with stuff, taking items and using them for unintended purposes or combining them to create something new, or taking them apart, etc...sounds kinda geeky to me. Elements she put into music wound up in more mainstream music later. (Same with Ono, BTW...listen to B52's and hear her influence). I do think her vocal delivery lends itself to parody, but so what? And just cuz you don't like it doesn't mean it's crap.
I was in my room and I was like just staring at the wall thinking about everything but then again I was thinking about nothing, and then my mom comes in and I didn't even know she was there and she calls my name and I didn't hear her and then she started screaming, CHRIS, CHRIS, and I go what, what's the matter, and she goes what's the matter with you? I go there's nothing wrong mom, and she goes don't give me that, you're thinking of killing teachers, I go no mom, I'm not homicidal, I'm ok, I'm just thinking, why don't you get me a bean burrito? She goes, no, you're gonna shoot up the school, I go mom, I'm okay, I'm just thinking, she goes no, you're not thinking, you're gonna do a school shooting, normal people don't act that way. I go mom, just get me a bean burrito, please, all I want is a bean burrito, and she wouldn't give it to me, all I wanted was a bean burrito, just one bean burrito, and she wouldn't give it to me, just a bean burrito!
(apologies to Suicidal Tendencies)
- The establishment where jukebox is located doesn't know what songs you played there on past occasions (unless they recognize you and feel like noting what your selections were...unlikely).
- The jukebox manufacturer has no idea who has requested the songs, or what your playlist history is, or what your e-mail address is or your name, etc. etc. They can't build a marketing profile on you.
I like the analogy another respondant to this thread used: according to your view, it's ok if every time you browse in a shop, buying something or not, they require you to fill out a registration card and they follow you around, making notes about what things you're looking at.Plus, your "they should be allowed to monitor you" attitude brings up this scenario: would you find it acceptable if, everytime you called a store to get information, a price quote, directions to their store, etc, they asked you your name, address and phone number? People's desire for some anonymity and privacy is not silly, like you seem to paint it, and interacting in society does not demand that we surrender our privacy. Some things strangers have no right to know about us.
If in Mexico, it'd be "shut" or "eshut", I believe. "Zoot" certainly sounds better, tho.
2) Abraham Lincoln, one of America's most-revered presidents. While not a believer in a non-Christian religion, he expressed great doubts about Christianity. At 25 years old he wrote an essay disputing the divinity of Christ. Before being elected to the House of Representatives, he declared in a published handbill "That I am not a member of any Christian Church, is true". Yet he was elected to the House, and later to the Presidency. There you go.
3)Non-US "Christian" nations have had female leaders. Margaret Thatcher comes to mind. If you think most Christians have a problem with a female president, you have a very simplistic (might I say like a fundamendalist) view of the matter.
Are you running Redhat and did you add the line in fontpath as recommended by Redhat? My Netscape also crashed immediately upon encountering any applets but the Redhat fix worked.
As he was saying :)
Some education for you: DC is bordered by Virginia and Maryland, two states well-known for lax gun laws (especially Virginia). Virginians howled in protest when some people wanted to restrict individual's rights to carry guns into community recreational centers, for instance. Despite DC's law against hand gun ownership (long guns are allowed), hand guns flood in from VA and MD and elsewhere. Heard of Interstate 95? Gun running? Especially before laws in VA restricted the number of guns sold per month per individual, the practice of straw men buying guns only to take them to DC for resale was common.
Furthermore, crime is higher in DC than in neighboring suburban or further out rurual districts because, get this, it's an urban area! More people per square mile, more poverty, more extremes of wealth disparity, more concentration of drug use, ergo, more crime. Do you seriously think DC's crime rate would drop if they permitted hand gun ownership, and that criminals would then be too scared to commit crime? Ha! Your comparison of crime rates between small town Texas and a major metropolitan area and concluding it's gun ownership (or lack thereof) that makes the difference is really stretching logical thought.
Anyway, DC's crime rate has been falling recently. Any ideas why?
First, he apparently wasn't into this just for the chatting. Chatting was a means to an end, and he expressed definite interest in sex with minors and boasted of having sex with a 16 year old. Sure, some people like to go into chats and claim all sorts of things, but this guy was definitely predatory.
If he thought he was just acting out a fantasy with a woman who was of legal age but they were pretending she was under-age, wouldn't you think he'd be concerned about the law and her true age, and upon meeting her ask for some proof of age? If I had a need to act out some kiddie-sex fetish but only in a fantasy sense, I'd sure make sure I was with an adult lest I get my ass arrested.
She did not have to be 13 for his actions to be a crime.
The FBI had what the news sources call a female deputy waiting for him, alone (seemingly) at the meeting place. Now, I think anyone can be deputized for a specific purpose, so this could actually have been a 13 year old, just as the police will send in real minors to try to purchase cigarettes and alcohol to check stores' compliance with those laws. Perhaps this deputy wasn't 13, but a young-looking 18...doesn't matter. He had stated his desire to meet a minor for the purpose of sex, and there he was, as promised, ready to commit the act. And upon meeting the girl, he didn't back out and say it was all just a game.
I've seen several stories of arrests of men who either had sex with or propositioned sex from minors, both boys and girls, and they used chat rooms to get things started. You're naive if you think it's all role playing or a joke, and you're worse than naive if you think it's ok.
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Look at it this way: let's suppose Ford made a car with the keyless entry system, and designed it so that merely by pushing all the buttons simultaneously the doors would unlock. Maybe the engineers knew that would happen, maybe they didn't. But then people chance upon it and spread the word around, via word of mouth and/or Internet.
If my Ford got stolen in this manner, sure, I'd be mad at the thief and want him caught and prosecuted. But I'd also be mad as hell if I found out the theft was due to oversight on Ford's part that made it simple to circumvent the car's security. Especially if I found that Ford KNEW about the exploit and decided to still sell these cars, even if just one car, after hearing about it.
Would I be angry at people who had shared this info with others? Would I want them prosecuted? No.
You hope that a database is built logging identities of people posting comments. Well, that's a nice totalitarian sentiment. For your sake, I hope you never visit any sites that you wouldn't want your mother to know about, or ever once discuss something you wouldn't want aired in public. Because what you wish for could be applied to you as well.
And your ominous tone is silly, too. Look, I'll say "I broke into the Pentagon's computers" logged in, not AC.
There's a reason it's called Anonymous Coward
I've read various reports and comments that this particular exploit was known for a long time, but I don't know how long ago Passport was implemented. And seems like there are other ways into Hotmail. On Monday I did a brief search on dejanews for "hotmail" and I did see a lot of requests for hacks to Hotmail. Some responses indicated that there were programs to hack it or gain passwords, but none of the posts dealt with yesterday's exploit! Must not have been scanning the "with-it" newsgroups....anyway, I didn't see any offers of these programs for download or even names of such programs, they were just alluded to. And many of the kiddies asking "help me hack Hotmail!" had Hotmail addresses! Hehehehehe....that was too tempting!
MS spokeswoman Erin Sanford is quoted as saying, "The security of our system is paramount and it was necessary to shut down Hotmail for a short period to stop this difficulty. We will be looking at how the information which created this problem was made public."
So, MS is saying the publishers of the exploit are the ones responsible for the problem. No way could it be MS's fault!
typical
Dear Valued Customer,
You may be aware from published reports that today MSN Hotmail experienced service issues that have generated questions about security.
Microsoft was notified early Monday morning (August 30, 1999) of a potential security vulnerability that could enable unauthorized access to Hotmail servers.
Typical underplaying. Plus, it's confusing - it states the problem occured "today"..well, I'm reading it on Tuesday. The typical non-techie reader of that might read that and think "huh?" and continue on, business as usual. He/she might think twice about using Hotmail if their public announcement stated,
"For some time, Hotmail accounts were open to anyone possessing knowledge of a hack that was widely distributed on the Internet. People with this knowledge, which was fairly simple, could read your email, delete it, and/or send email impersonating you. We don't know if any of this happened to you, but on Monday, after this exploit was featured on several news sites, we kept Hotmail up for hours while probably millions of people roamed through the Hotmail service, gaining unauthorized access to countless accounts. Cross your fingers. Thank you, and we hope you continue to enjoy our superior service."
Potential security vulnerability indeed.