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Netscape 4.7 Arrives on the Scene
Stephen Donner wrote to let us know that Netscape 4.7
is out and ready for download, albeit for UNIX/Macintosh systems. The FTP server is behaving like a slug so be patient. Here's to hoping that when I download it, it fixes some of these JavaScript "issues".
Unfortunately this isn't the problem, or at least not the only problem. Nor are all the problems glibc-related, though using libc5 netscape 4.61 does seem to help.
I've tried running the libc5 binary with a hand compiled libx11 compiled with debugging symbols, and it still crashes.
The bug seems to be a threading bug with the gif decoder or the javascript/java bindings. wrapping it with a ld_preload that disables setitimer helps marginally but it eventually still crashes.
This is why changing libraries or changing x11 libraries helps, it's a race condition between when network data arrives and when sigalarms arrive. if the thread is preempted precisely at the wrong time you get the "x11 sequence lost" or similar messages.
Probably this bug will be too hard to fix any time and we'll have to wait for mozilla to see it go away.
While I'm quite impressed that these suggestions were already thought of by one *certain* developer :-), I thought I'd throw out one more flip on/off idea...
:-)
cookies.
I'd love to turn on cookies for only a few sites (slashdot, Yahoo games, free email account), yet have it clicked off the rest of the time.
This is different from allowing/disallowing by domain (like kfm does), because 90% of the time I don't want yahoo.com's cookies. Only when I leech off of their free services am I willing to (temporarily) accept the cookie.
Otherwise, I agree 100% with Tackhead on this one...
What's the point of that? The only reason I use Netscape in the first place is for Java (and Flash and whatnot). If it's a plain page, I'll use Opera.
10 PRINT CHR$(205.5+RND(1)); : GOTO 10
Yes, I am aware that cookies can be turned of manually.. but it takes 5 clicks now:
Edit
Preferences
Advanced
Do not accept or send cookies
OK
Check it again. win9x/nt version is out.
Netscape are not going to implement any major layout engine changes in the 4.x line. That's what Mozilla is for.
In my experience the bus errors were a result of bad/incomplete font information. Redhat had some some documentation on their site a while back about this too. Check your fontpath, and make sure you have the 75dpi font in there for a quick suggestion. have fun
See mozilla.org for a rewritten browser architecture that will eventually do this.
Just went ot the site to download it for My Mac G4...the Window verion is up
~Donald / Just RTFM
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Does anyone know if the latest version of internet time is mirrored anywhere? I can NOT find it ANYWHERE in that POS, poorly designed, JavaShit obsessed site.
Their webmaster, aside from being fired, should be drug out into the street, shot, then roasted over a spit.
-Lx?
Nop
NS doesn't work for me either. Crashes all the time, etc. The only reason I still use it is because IE's bookmarks are totally stuffed, they are 4kb files, their sorting stuffs up if you move them around in explorer, you can't use separators, you can't use special chars etc etc.
I'd be happy with NS3.01 if it had CSS support! Right now I use NS for most stuff, and IE for mail etc, cuz NS doesn't want to support multiple pop accounts. I still use NS mail, because that's where I keep subscriptions, so I don't have to copy urls over from outlook X.
Right now, I have NS open, and a "ns crash" box hidden in the corner, because when you press close, it just pops up another crash message. I can't even open the close prog. dialog to kill that thing...
Well, do something about it. Test it with Mozilla and file bugs at bugzilla.mozilla.org.
Real support for PNGs is coming. Full alpha is due before beta from a non-Netscape developer.
I'd just like to know if Netscape tests with Purify or one of its counterparts. Most of the crashes I see are hard to reproduce and would be useless to file bugs on. They crashes smack of uninitialized memory reads or heap corruption that happen semi randomly.
1. What HCL-compliant hardware works under SP3 but not SP5?
2. What the Hell does ActiveDesktop have to do with IE5?
3. Hello, just about everybody and their brother wants IE5. Only the braindead and the most wacked-out zealots actually think that Netscape puts out a better browser.
4. How much is Netscape paying you, anyway?
Indeed!
:/
Upgrading to NS3 from 4.x is so great, both memory wise and speed (rendering) wise.
Too bad developer.gnome.org doesn't work too well with it
You too?! That's one of my top three complaints.
(All the time they put into making a spiffy rendering engine, you think they could make a nice [ie., *configurable*] UI.)
Actually, Netscape said a while back that they were relying on a feature of that old rev of Mercutio which was removed in the more recent versions, preventing them from simply copying in the most recent revision.
They requested and received an update to that old version to fix the "freeing GHandle" problem, which is what would cause the crashes. So Netscape is not suffering from that particular cause of crash on the Macintosh, even though they are using an old version.
What possible reason should I give a damn? Netscape 4.x is a fat, bloated, buggy and badly designed piece of crap.
Me, I still use 3.04. Pages that require 4.x, don't bother to read them.
Boobies never hurt anyone. - Sherry Glaser.
I DL'd the HPUX version and tried it for an hour or so. Pretty much the same. New buttons are annoying. Things like font sizing are no more convenient to adjust (under *nix, the <ctrl>-[ and <ctrl>-] controls don't work), and any number of other interface bugs are retained. Session finally died in a blaze of glory trying to navigate through the Swatch site (see elsewhere -- popup windows) with Java and Javascript on but images off.
Facelift. Nothing new. Sticking with 4.61 (bugs, warts and all). Wish I had something better. Hoping to give Mozilla following a few other system changes.
What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?
Most of this could be added using Mozilla's scriptable skins so you could you "expert chrome". As to whether the back-end supports this yet, I don't know.
There are plans to eventually allow this sort of thing to be defined permanently on a site by site basis too (post initial release I think).
I'll submit bug reports on these things since they make a lot of sense.
I guess it's fine if you shut it down and restart it every day. If you forget to, it does it for you!
- A.P.
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Another deficiency in Mozilla is that it doesn't seem to support JavaScript... I've only taken a cursory glance at it, but my JavaScript code seems to be dead... Normally, I wouldn't complain -- Javascript's more hype than substance -- but I've been using JavaScript lately to manipulate layers (a la www.php.net) and I'd like to be able to do that in Mozilla too.
Linux: n., antidote to the common "Windows" virus.
You can use a patched lynx for https.
Does anyone know how long it will be until the RPMs will be made available on rpmfind.net? Hrm... I don't know if it exists in the closed source world yet- but a CHANGELOG would also be appreciated if someone would post it here. (Having just downloaded 4.61 two days ago, I need to know if it is worth it right now.)
You'll eat it and you'll like it.
troll
IE5 has got it right. First off, the "desktop integration" is down to IE3 levels, rather than IE4. But there are three main reasons I'm using it over Netscape right now:
1) It renders large tables almost on the fly.
2) You can customize the toolbar and take out all those buttons you never use (you can have a toolbar consisting of merely back, forward, and stop if you wanted.)
3) Drop down menu for language encoding. I can go to one of the many japanese sites in my bookmarks and it automatically decodes the JIS. I NEVER got this to work in Netscape.
-Lx?
Maybe now I will be able to install Quick Time 4 in Netscape. I was never able to do it in 4.6
No man is an island, But if you take a bunch of dead guys and tie them together, they make a pretty good raft.
In regards to this statement;
"I've visited all the URLs that people are saying hang their Netscapes, and it seems to be working just dandy for me. I have Javascript on, Java off."
I suspect that most of the people that are saying this are using Netscape on a Linux platform with Java on. Under those circumstances, it does seem to have a problem with versions 4.5 - 4.6.
For the most part, I think IE is ugly, Netscape seems to have some issues with DHTML standards, and they both offer little or nothing in the way of customization (skins, themes, etc). I still prefer Netscape for reasons relating to the Windows OS, but neither of them are any good as far as I am concerned.
Otherwise, I can't wait to see Neoplanet come to the Linux world using Gecko.
BDKR
FWIW, I've been trying out IE since v. 2.0 and perhaps if it weren't for principle, I might choose IE5 over NS for Windows browsing. Since Linux is my primary platform anyway, IE is not a factor.
Hoping Mozilla sees the light of day before long...
I just upgraded to 4.61 from 4.51,...LAST WEEK !!! they should make a pre- release announcement " we are going to release *** in a month" so I wouldn't have to download to what seems like hours....
Moderation is going down the drain. I dont see how anyone could label the above excellent post as flamebait.
Press escape. Maybe not obvious, but it works. Man, I've clicked that option by mistake too many times....
Anyone know if this is up on any mirrors yet? Which? This is pretty damn slow.
Found a fix for that annoying new "Shopping" button (under UNIX). It's also possible to disable the "Search" and "My Netscape" buttons (among others, I'm sure).
Add any or all of the below lines, as you see fit:
Netscape*toolBar.search.isEnabled: false
Netscape*toolBar.destinations.isEnabled: false
Netscape*toolBar.myshopping.isEnabled: false
Hint to others trying to customize Netscape: Use the "strings" command on the netscape binary!
The name of the environment variable that turns off the dns_helper is actually MOZILLA_NO_ASYNC_DNS
I kind of doubt that it's really worth the time I would have to spend on it... Netscape hasn't been very good lately... No, not at all...
So, I've been running XFree86 3.9.16, since my multiheaded hardware horribly confuses previous XFree releases. Everything works great, except Netscape. And I can't get Mozilla to compile? Any progress/hacks with 4.7 to make it work?
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I can't get on to ftp.netscape.com. It times out after my client sends "PASV". Anyone else?
Hmmm, no Linux binaries yet as of 16:15 PDT. But the most recent binaries were posted 7 minutes ago, so maybe they're still building them. :-)
Sure they haven't spent a whole lot of $$$ on the 4.x line since the Mozilla project began, but why should they?
/. a few have mentioned the mess in that codebase and noone has said otherwise.
I agree. My point exactly. But this doesn't change the number of users complaining about stability.
You have to keep in mind these (4.5 on, or so- I forget...) are for the most part maintenance/ security fix releases. It would be foolish to attempt to rewrite major parts of the code, such as the rendering engine, multiple POP mailboxes, better CSS support- the list goes on...
I beg to differ. It would be a good idea to fix the stability problems, whether or not that involves rewriting a large portion of the code. They're BUGS!
No investment to lose? I beg to differ. While for home users the product is free, it sure isn't for the corporate client.
Ah yes, corporate users. Alot of corporate users are using M$ everything, including IE. Not alot of corporate clients use *nix, from what I understand. I think knowing the real numbers would help.
And Mozilla? Cut them some slack. Is the code even alpha yet?
Okay, okay, but from previous discussions on
Hello little man. I will destroy you!
I love new versions and yet don't know why. It doesn't matter if there is 1 improvement in the code, I still want it just to say I have the newest version. It's one of my pet peeves. And now for a little topic that's off-topic: I don't like upgrading kernels.. pretty freaking weird eh?
With serious plastic wrap issues,
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Same problem at our systems at the univ. bus error. with 4.61 as well as previous versions. I did some search, and got varying answers right from setting the 'MOZILLA_HOME' (?), to fonts etc. etc. same problems occur with sun systems with SunOS. no explanation on the netscape site...
But I believe there's still speed issues on Linux which is related to known bugs in the Linux specific part of the rendering code.
I'll probably get flamed but... Ie 5.0 works much better than netscape on linux. Netscape on windows does not really give me any problems, but ie is just faster and better, not surprise considering its MS's browser on MS windows. Several times a day netscape hangs on my linux box and it also just closes due to java taking down every open windows with it. Being a linux user 75% of the time makes me upset that there are not any choices when it comes to a graphical browser that support java and javascript. Its like we have 500 picture viewers and 500 mp3 players, but one choice for browers. Now that sun in involved with netscape I question their desire to make a stable browser for linux. So now I am just waiting for a stable Mozilla and yes sending in bug reports
Grats for the info... but the .shopping.isEnabled doesn't work.. must be under a different name, still trying to get rid of it myself cause it's annoying... also, ns 4.7 adds a "Find" button next to stop..... didn't give it enough screen area before with my netscape and such enabled...
moderators, up the previous post to at least +2!!! This is good info that shouln't be skipped over...
back to working on disabling Shop button now, maybe find too...
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I currently run Debian (potato) and have found that since I upgraded glibc a month or so ago, Netscape has been FAR FAR FAR more stable than it was before.
:)
It still does crash occasionally, but nowhere near as often as it did before.
So I guess I'm saying that if you're running a glibc distro, try upgrading to the latest libc version.
If you happen to run debian, a regular:
apt-get update
apt-get dist-upgrade
should keep your libc updated...
May be hard to admit, but possibly there are instabilities in libc that are contributing to the problems. It definately improved things for me anyway...
Doesn't change the fact that its still a bloated pile of uh.. stuff tho, netscape using 20Mb ram as I write..
smash(currently libc6 2.1.2-2 and netscape-base-4 4.61-21 debian packages installed)
I run: Windows, OS X, Linux, FreeBSD. Just because you have a hammer, doesn't mean everything is a nail.
Does anyone know how to remove buttons from the toolbar?
I don't know about removing individual buttons, but I just leave the button bar collapsed since there is too much garbage on there that I don't need. I use the right click menu to get 'stop' and 'back' commands. The 'esc' key does an even better job at stopping a page load.
Ideology is for ideots.
You probably mean this:t ml
:-).
http://help.netscape.com/kb/consumer/990807-8.h
A) It is not a fix for the bus errors
B) It _partially_ fixes some java problems
Overall, using Netscape is hell, but there is no
choice at the moment (except lynx maybe
Regards,
MK
Hi, been playing around with 4.7 for a while...
It seems much faster than 4.61, Im using the
Navigator version.
Cheers,
Uwe
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Well most bugs can be attributed to "sloppy coding". Sloppy coding does not mean trouble for future versions - bad architecture does. That's why Mozilla is a near entire rewrite. It bodes well for future versions.
Things are much better now that some of those annoying buttons are gone. (Well, all but the security info one, anyone know the resource name for that one?).
Now if there was only some way to make the buttons be on the same bar as the url entry...
I have to take issue with your comment about IE5 being anything but light. It's a relative term, of course, but compared to NS, IE5 is a lightning-fast, tight beauty. Have you tried running both on the same machine? Well, I have and NS sucks. It sucks just as bad under Linux as it does under NT -- two to three seconds wait to start that shit up on a system where IE5 starts up in the blink of an eye? Pages rendering in twice if not more the time it takes IE5? Just how is IE inferior to NS?
I'm also writing this in NS on Linux and, as usual, this is the only piece of software that makes me wish I had an NT box at home.
Well, it doesn't do away with the button altogether, but still nice to put linuxtoday.com in. :)
Chmod -w the preferenses.js and you won't have to worry about Netscape deleting anything. I got tired of Netscape doing that to the little settings I like. And I don't have a need to change settings permanently too much, just on a per-session basis maybe.
But, where do you find such tips? Does Netscape publish every possible configuration item somewhere?
It's lack of ActiveX is a detriment? I thought that was a feature :)
Netscape is packaged with default X resource file, where you can change most of Netscape's look'n'feel (i.e. menu names, buttons, system fonts, key mappings, Motif settings etc.) For my distro it is /usr/lib/X11/app-defaults/Netscape.
I think the rationale for not GPLing is that they needed to right to link in proprietary code, eg encryption.
Try using the netscape client customizing kit. I got the windoze version and played around with it. Now, my netscape logo links to slashdot and my help menu has only 4 or 5 items in it.
/. Netscape anyone? :)
You can also change "my netscape" back to "the guide" and change its links around. I'm not really sure what else you can do, but it _should_ be possible to change the logo and stuff...
And as for the preferences.js, the only useful one I found was the ability to change the number of simultanious connections (remember that from NS 3?) but I forgot exactly how to do it.
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There is no statute of limitation on stupidity.
...resizing the browser window. Or when when loading the page into the Communicator editor (as I do to trim the garbage before printing.)
I fail to understand why I should have to go back online and completely re-download the page and everything on it to do these things when I obviously already have the page on my computer.
Hmmph!
Ideology is for ideots.
some interesting bugs are tracking these issues at bugzilla:
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P olicy.html
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=738
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=858
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/security/config
Posted by NJViking:
Did Netscape ever fix the annoying UNIX bug where if you selected a box which had a lot of menu items, you'd lose your keyboard until you minimized then restored Netscape?
This has to be the most annoying bug ever.. and they have *NEVER* fixed it!
Netscape, if you're listening, please fix this bug!
-= NJV =-
1. It was a video card for a stock Gateway that was supposed to work under 98/NT. Some flavor of ATI Rage something or other.
2. They bundle it all together. Upgrading to ActiveDesktop came with IE, and integrating IE into the explorer means its DLLs load even if you don't use it.
3. Hello, anyone who doesn't have a P]|[/666 and 8192MB of RAM definitely *doesn't* want IE5. Only the most wacked-out windoze-snivelers actually think that Microsoft puts out a better browser.
4. How much is Microsoft paying you, anyway?
5. If you want to have a real conversation, get an account, try posting facts, and stand up for yourself. Geez.
Anyhow, I've tried DOS, Win 3.1, Linux, and Windows NT on the same machine. Guess what? NT was slow, NT SP3 was slower, and adding the ActiveDesktop + IE 4.0 integration crap made it grind to a halt. Couple this with NT leaking memory, and using too much as is, and I'd rather be using DOS. Fortunately, I have Linux.
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its pretty simply Matty.
Most of the loading time for me was taken up by their ads. It was still under 10 seconds, though, on my lowly K6/300 with 64MB RAM also over ethernet. However, with junkbuster, it was more like 5 seconds. Check out www.junkbusters.com.
:)
Also, Netscape 4.61 under Linux has worked fine for me, and sometimes stability and dependability is too much to ask under NT4 SP5. I've run into standard hardware that wouldn't run under that, and had to be used under NT4 SP3. (also, ActiveDesktop is slow and memory-intensive, and IE5 is anything *but* light)
Also, braindead AOLers want Internet Explorer--that's their default browser.
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and close it by using the fvwm2 Close function, and it finishes with a `Bus Error' (though it seems to clear up after itself OK)
But: run
with the latest version of LessTif, and it exits cleanly.
Funny old World!
Live from a hillside in Herefordshire, England.
They sure does. It's one of the main objectives to get Purify and friends happy.
Ironically, one of the biggest contributors in this area is not from within Netscape (Thanks Bruce!).
From the RedHat bug database:
run 'chkfontpath --add /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi', and restart the font server. This should fix the problem.
It's a troll.
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"Even if you are on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there" - Will Rogers
I've tried 4.x several times. I hate it. I really dislike the way the FUBARed the entire interface. 3.x is very simple and straightforward, everything I want to do is right there. 4.x is a convoluted, badly thought through and bloated turd. Given the choice between 4.x and Opera I know which I'd choose.
Hell, I'll take Be's NetPositive (with all of it's lack of features) over Netscape 4.x.
Netscape needs to stop adding useless features and trying so damned hard to look like Internet Exploder and spend the time fixing the bugs.
Boobies never hurt anyone. - Sherry Glaser.
What possible reason should I give a damn? Netscape 4.x is a fat, bloated, buggy and badly designed piece of crap. Me, I still use 3.04. Pages that require 4.x, don't bother to read them.
I thought so too for a long time. Then for I decided to try netscape 4.x - just for fun. After a little browsing (with top sitting next to netscape) I noticed that it actually took less memory than 3.x, it was about the same speed and it rendered the pages far better. I suggest you go ahead and try it too (I know the package is a big one, but it's definitely worth it unless you have a 2400bps modem).
P.S. I have a P133, so I really do care if a program is faster than another one.
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While this is allmost correct, it is irrelevant with netscape communicator.
The comm traps any signal and remaps the ones that result from a programming error (SegFault, BUS, and some others, esp. threat ctrl ones on Solaris) to SIGBUS. So the fact that you see a SIGBUS
doesn't mean that something threw a SIGBUS.
GDB will tell you interesting things even without debugging symbols
I use Fortify, it works beautifully. It actually also works better than the 128 bit domestic grade version, in terms of providing better SSL security; go to the Fortify web site and read up on it.
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In a real emergency, we would have all fled in terror, and you would not have been notified.
yes linux is there!
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It's not the mail client; I never use anything in Netscape besides the browser; I'm not even sure if I have the mail client installed. This has happened to me only on potato, never on Redhat 5.x or 6.x. Could be glibc2.1, *but* I compiled and installed glibc2.1 on my redhat 5.2 system when it first came out, and never had the problem them. The most damn annoying bug I've had to deal with in a long time. If they had IE for linux, I think I'd switch now, too.
You will *never* see true support for PNG in 4.X. The rendering engine is just too decrepit to integrate it properly without major changes. If you desperately want PNG then support the Mozilla (Communicator 5.0) project since that will have kick-ass PNG support including alpha channels.
Yeah, I sometimes want Javascript, for things like popups (which really ought to have "go" buttons), but because popups are everywhere now, I'd love an option to specifically disable popups but leave the rest of Javascript on.
As it is, I just leave it off and turn it on only when necessary. (And I'm actually missing less than I thought I would; most sites still work fine.)
And Mozilla will probably be out and ready for prime time at about the same time as the GNU HURD is.
The betas sort of work, but many end-user features (navigation buttons, bookmarks, &c.) are missing.
It lets you change buttons, menus, default options, throbber and lots of other neat stuff. It's primarily designed for ISP who would like to package their own Navigator versions.
I also believe they have a different CCK package for every Communicator version, so you'll probably need to wait for 4.7 CCK to come out.
Alternatively, some hackery can be done using Windows resource editor that ships with most Windows IDEs.
"My opinions are my own, and I've got *lots* of them!"
Too bad it just isn't evolving as quickly as IE... Look a the progress on Mozilla. It's painfully slow. I have downloaded several builds on several platforms and have been disappointed with each one. It really doesn't compare to NS4x or IE4/5... It's very sad that this is true.
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Javascripts works very well indeed in Mozilla. In fact, the whole UI would fail if wasn't working properly. The more likely reason is an error in your code
4.5+ has neat LDAP/HTTP roaming profile features.
See the Linuxworld article on it.
Chris
M-x auto-bs-mode
Fergawdsake! This is an *alpha* quality browser! There are a lot of secondary windows that are only half working at present so there is no point complaining about usability issues. And what's the point of complaining that it doesn't have feature X or Y? If it doesn't do what you want then write the feature you need or ask about it in one of the Mozilla groups!
www.intermute.com
I am in no way affiliated with them, but they have a pretty good product. Can block adverts, popups, Redirects, sound, and so on...
image. He He I never have Javascript turned on. Is there any real use for it?
I've had plenty of the same problems as you, while using the glibc versions of Netscape. They got worse after I upgraded XFree86 to 3.3.5, with hangs all the time. I've switched to the libc5 build of Netscape 4.61 (I'm running glibc-2.1.2), and it hasn't crashed in a whole week which is amazing! Give it a shot, anyway...
OMG! That's the funniest thing I've read all week!
(Of course, it's funniest when you think it says 'compliant.')
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NetInfo connection failed for server 127.0.0.1/local
Go figure.
Check boxes up next to the security/stop buttons that read: Animated Gifs?, Automatically Load Images?, Java?, JavaScript?, Cookies?, Proxy or Direct Connection?, and font size selection via a drop down list. It'd also be nice if you could specify a list of URL's to block in the Netscape configuration itself so that it never even renders the stuff... i.e. banner ads, porn redirection crap, etc. Stuff you'd rather just never see on the page and which netscape could just automatically filter it. Yes I know junkbuster probably does this but I'd rather have it in netscape itself rather than relying on a proxy.
I loaded the page so fast. So easy. Celereon 366 96 MB RAM Maybe i need a quad pentium V 10000 mhz
yeah,o ymt/jsprefs.htm#toolbar_places_default_url
http://developer.netscape.com/docs/manuals/depl
Damn. Looks like someone beat me to it. I guess
I should've peeked through before posting.
For every problem, there is at least one solution that is simple, neat, and wrong.
You're guaranteeing that it'll only render correctly on screens that look like yours. Right now, you don't know whether the user has a 72dpi screen or something with higher resolution like 110dpi (my Hitachi does that already), and in the future it's entirely reasonable that screen resolution will be MUCH higher -- the human-factors people suggest 300dpi as a reasonable compromise between hardware complexity and the eye's ability to resolve what it sees; beyond that, you still get benefits in viewability, but they're marginal).
And think: your most affluent customers are likely to be the ones with the highest-resolution hardware; do you really want to offend that part of your customer base that has the most spendable money??
"My opinions are my own, and I've got *lots* of them!"
Are you running Redhat and did you add the line in fontpath as recommended by Redhat? My Netscape also crashed immediately upon encountering any applets but the Redhat fix worked.
As a web developer I have to say I prefer Netscape over IE because it doesn't fix all the little mistakes you might make, namely missing end tags ( for example).
...
I do have one major problem with it though, and that is the one pixel border that Netscape puts in tables. Tends to make certain designs look rather ugly, whereas they look just right in IE.
If this little "problem" could be fixed
Nothing is so smiple that it can't be screwed up.
Use ResEdit. I've thoroughly customized my copy of Navigator on my Mac at home. I've removed and changed buttons, pasted in my own graphics for the splash screen, changed the mouse pointers, added my name to the credits found in about:netscape, and so on. :) People usually do a double take when they see it running since it looks so different. Good stuff.
As for stability, I have stand alone navigator 4.6? installed. I have infrequent problems with it. In linux, I've gotten to the point where I've written a shell script aimed at cleaning up after Netscape when it craps out. (includes a kill -9 and an rm -f ~/.netscape/lock to remove that goddamn "lock" file....)
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Question for you. How much alpha software have you used where it was basically a total rewrite of a large application? I'd say very likely none.
Speaking as someone who's been following Mozilla development since about a year ago, Mozilla is being developed very quickly and will be ready for beta very shortly. GNU HURD does not have hundreds of developers.
external css stylesheets (using link tag) have not been working since 4.5 with my linux20_glibc2.
I primarily use IE5 on NT-SP5, which is incredibly stable. If IE5 does go done, it does not take the desktop or another IE process with it. I have tried Netscape 4.5 and 4.6 on Windows and Red Hat 5.0. Netscape is unusable compared to IE on both platforms, it is so much slower and unstable. Using Netscape with KDE on Red Hat consumes as much or more resources than NT/IE5, even with Active Desktop. Netscape is a detriment to Linux because it prevents most users from doing their primary computing task on a home-based fat-client OS, browsing the web. Until somebody, hopefully Mozilla or KDE, solves this issue, the most popular platform for the web will be Windows.
So is that horrible blue/gray UI what's actually going in to the program, or is it just transitional? I would much rather have a more classic interface that actually matches the OS.
It is evolving faster than IE.
It is disappointing because it's alpha still. Compared to what it was when it started, it is great now. Very soon it will be a full browser. M13 should be the Mozilla beta, and it will be out in a couple of months.
Huh?
Take a 400x400 transparent interlaced PNG and view it in NS 4.5x
Now try that in Mozilla, and see how much better it is already now that a PNG developer is on board.
If you REALLY want to kill GIF, help work on MNG standardisation and open source implementations.
MNG brings you everything you liked about animated GIF, MJPEG and FLI in a patent-free PNG family format.
i just dl'd netscape 4.7 for win95/98/nt. and will upload it to my site soon. mirror will be here:
http://anticipate.org/netscape/
~*~*~*~*~*~ Amy R. Dawson amy@anticipate.org http://anticipate.org
Any new info on Opera? From what they are saying, it looks really good. They seem to have a text browser that might be better then lynx. They say they are making development, but still nothing is posted in the form of a beta. Even if there is a priced attached, I am willing to pay it for something that is *really* good. Mozilla is in that direction, but looks like the road is still long and bumpy. So, anyone have any new Opera news?
Sort of off topic but I ran into a problem this past weekend when I installed the 128 bit NS on my linux box, and was hoping for some advice from the slashdot crowd.
Essentially the spell checker is greyed out.
Any solutions?
TIA
Try this to get rid of the "Shop" button:
user_pref("browser.chrome.disableMyShopping", true);
I'm getting 40 bits by default with the IRIX version (yes, IRIX).
I don't know...I've noticed that netscape works okay until you start adding a lot of software, then it all starts acting funky (not ust netscape).
Fresh installs on fresh machines seem ok, so I suspect their are dll drift issues that netscape is susceptable to, but IE is not.
I'd hate to have to keep up with the MS moving target, myself.
Cool new features also include:
, true);
user_pref("browser.chrome.disableMyShopping", true);
user_pref("browser.chrome.disableNetscapeRadio"
Are you the official apologist for mozilla?
Sounds like a neat thing.
:-(
Too bad it is only available for Windoze.
Anyone know a way to get it working for Linux?
dragonhawk@iname.microsoft.com
I do not like Microsoft. Remove them from my email address.
I can't wait for an optimized, shipping version of this lizard!
I tried to post this using Mozilla, but it kept adding spaces after left angle brackets in my HTML formatting. I then proceeded to lose half the post trying to submit a plain-text version. Oh well, one for bugzilla.
Howard Owen hbo@egbok.com Everything's Gonna Be OK Consulting
"Even if you are on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there" - Will Rogers
:They've been pulling a MS: building tonnes of extra (and, IMHO, unneeded) features in and sacrificing stability. "
:Leave MS out of this for once. Netscape would be jumping for joy if they could get NS as stable and standards complaint as IE.
I know it's really trendy to bash MS for everything, but IE is a LOT better than Netscape. Netscape crashed all the time on me for no real reasons, and I thought it was awful after 4.04. The only time i use netscape is for making web pages, and theres still plenty of obvious little bugs(I work in QA so i now notice them) and some big ones that never got fixed.
In fact, the last time IE honestly crashed on me is when i tried out that stupid third voice software several months ago. It's been quick to load and stable for all my times using it.
You can write filter scripts! See the documentation for javascript mail filters and the filters of the guy who implemented them.
Matty - are you being paid by Steve Case? I swear I've never heard any produce more party line drivel than you have in this forum.
IE4 just sites their at work, it's dog slow. And most of our MS apps freeze every couple weeks forcing a reboot.
I like (and have always liked) netscape. I do wish they'd fix the way mime types are created and handled.
At home, I run all Linux, so I don't know if MS is any better. I get lock ups once in awhile, than have to fire up gtop and kill netscape, then start over.
At work we have to reboot the machines when IE, Outlook, etc. lock up.
I'm a big netscape fan, and loathe all things MS (users, supporters, shareholders, programmers) they all suck. Ignorance of history, economics, and philosophy is just sad.
If the lockups and mime handling is improved, I'll be pleased.
I have made debs for netscape 4.7 available. I won't be putting these in potato, until fortify can recognize them.
The good news, is that my dual-celeron 333, running netscape, and rendering fm, is as fast as a p120-nt box, running IE. Before, it was 1/3 as slow.
Click here for information on how to use apt to fetch the new debs.
What are you *talking* about? Opera is superior to Netscape in almost every day. I have Windows NT at work, with 3 browsers installed (I'm a web developer) -- IE3, NS4.5ish, and Opera 3.0. Of these, Opera is the smallest, fastest and overall, the best. It puts *you* in charge, and it lets you follow hypertext in multiple windows like a graceful gazelle, instead of a clumbersome bison...
As to your specific gripes of JavaScript and tables: I've never had any troubles with JS; Opera tells websites it is Mozilla (like IE does). As for tables, Opera is *far* faster than any version of Netscape or MSIE. Mozilla vs. Opera is too close to tell (but Opera is over half as small...). We'll see how it goes when Mozilla is final. But for now, Opera rocks! If you have access to a Windows box, check out a recent version.
My only gripe? Opera caches more than it should. It makes dynamic sites a pain to create, test, and use, but must be nice for modem users.
Umm. 4.7 for Windows is out along with it. Maybe at the time this was posted it hadn't been uploaded yet.
Cheers,
Warren
Thanks for the advice, I just tried it, it fell over almost instantly, now it won't even start, I think I'll stick with IE until things change, cheers anyhow but I don't really want to trash my dev machine with flaky betas.
Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
> rpm with the same spec as redhat
Precisely, should be no problem if you get the src.rpm, replace the tar.gz in
> i would like to know if i should use ;-)
> linux-2.0glibc version as with 4.61
I believe so, in RedHat Rawhide (pre-6.1), the Netscape RPMs require compat-glibc/libs, which is the 2.0 series of glibc. Check the RPM changelog entry of Fri Aug 20 1999 on rpmfind.net! But this is valid for 4.61, perhaps 4.7 is built against a newer glibc - aaah dream on.
I actually run 4.61 without compat-glibc but rather with the standard glibc-2.1 (as delivered with RedHat 6.0), and I suppose all my crashes (locks) aren't glibc issues - but who knows.
Netscape 4.7 has been in use on my company's HPUX 10.20 boxes since the end of July. It's what I use on a daily basis. I was a little surprised my self to see the announcement and I checked the about Communicator page. The build date shows up in the title bar as Version 4.7 [en] - 19990720.
I'll be damned if I've been beta testing version 4.7 without knowing it!
jivany@ieee.org
Damned if I can remember my password right now.
Well, maybe it is offtopic to compare the two browsers, but I support IE 5, and if it has not failed/hosed the os (if you are on windows) then you are lucky. I get at least one call each day from a tech with a customer that has an IE that will not open- no error, it just does not open. Repair, uninstall/reinstall does not fix it, and since there is no error, there is not really any way to troubleshoot the problem (fourtuneately since IE "becomes part of the OS" we can then refer them to the mfr. who will have them format and reinstall, and this is support for a company that is partly OWNED by microsoft). Add the supremely large acive x security hole to the mix, and I wouldn't install it on my computer, even if they did make one for my OS -which they won't. But I will give it this, IE 5's problems are at least less frequent than IE 4's (I still support it too), and 4's problems gave you a trashed os a lot more often than 5 does. At any rate, if you are using windows, the last thing I would advise is to install an application that makes the os less stable and secure, If Netscape crashes or becomes completely unusable, at least that is all that crashed.
_this is not a signature_
I was plagued for the longest time by the mail reference links i.e. mail yourself a message and reply to it. in the reply if you clicked on the [1] netscape would bomb. This was on sparc solaris 2.5.1, 2.6 with netscape 4.5.1, 4.6.1 but now on 4.7 those references work.
I found most of this by poking around in the Netscape.ad file that was in the installation directory (/usr/local/netscape is default, I believe).
Netscape*toolBar.search.isEnabled: false
Netscape*toolBar.destinations.isEnabled: false
Netscape*toolBar.myshopping.isEnabled: false
Netscape*toolBar.viewSecurity.isEnabled: false
Netscape*toolBar.print.isEnabled: false
Netscape*toolBar.home.isEnabled: true
I'd appreciate it if someone could tell me how to get rid of that "What's Related" button.
Anyone have a mirror of this?
Finkployd
I'm currently using Netscape 4.61 too, and without the Javascript and Java turned off, It would crash immediately when running into a Java applet. Doesn't matter which site I go to. It leaves only one error saying: Bus error. Anyone know what that means??
First off, there are 8 identical FTP servers containing Netscape 4.7. ftp1.netscape.com through ftp8.netscape.com.
Secondly, my connections were timing out at the first 'ls' -- until I switched my FTP client to PASSIVE mode. After that, I didn't even notice that the FTP site was busy -- in fact, I just finished my download, and ncftp says:
...nuxglibc2.0.tar.gz: 11.32 MB 149.41 kB/s
Passive mode is definitely the way to go...
Xidus
$ more ~/.sig
********
I don't know where the documentation (if any) is, I figured most of this out by reading the XFE code. From my .Xdefaults:
Netscape*toolBar.search.isEnabled: false
a me: separator
a me: compressAllFoldersi ng: Revealc on: Searcha tionString: Reveal filed messages
I haven't downloaded, but I bet I'm going to be adding a "shopping.isEnabled: false" line real soon now..Netscape*toolBar.destinations.isEnabled: false
Netscape*toolBar.numUserCommands: 1
Netscape*toolBar.userCommand1.commandName: findInObject
Netscape*toolBar.userCommand1.labelString: Find
Netscape*toolBar.userCommand1.commandIcon: Find
Netscape*MailThread*toolBar.numUserCommands: 2
Netscape*MailThread*toolBar.userCommand1.commandN
Netscape*MailThread*toolBar.userCommand2.commandN
Netscape*MailThread*toolBar.userCommand2.labelStr
Netscape*MailThread*toolBar.userCommand2.commandI
Netscape*MailThread*toolBar.userCommand2.document
If you're getting crashes when logging into site using http authentication or when you close one of your open browser windows, try migrating from the glibc version of netscape over to the libc version.
That should fix those particular problems.
I just checked the Netscape ftp server in the directory specified in the link and found that the directory for Linux hasn't been created yet. I would hold off for a few hours (if not a couple of days or so). Hopefully they will finish the port by then (I'm not holding my breath)...
Heh. I implemented these in the 3.02 codebase years ago. Plus S/MIME. Too bad they wouldn't let me release it as 3.1 back before 4.0 shipped. It would have been a "distraction", apparently.
Increased speed? Reduced size? Bug fixes??
Nope, new `features' and a enhanced user interface!!
MarNuke
IE is just works and looks so much better than Netscape. It doesn't crash as much, it dithers jpg mostly correctly, it does tables better than Netscape, the "favorites" directory turned out to be a better idea than a huge "bookmark" html documentos (for me anyway - I can see the usefulness of both approaches), java script in Netscape is just great, one word - speed!, and probably a lot of other stuff I'm forgetting.
Now I don't love microsoft anymore than anyone else, but after taking the m$ challenge of secretly switching to IE for a week I was hooked. If Netscape even begins to come close to what IE has now, I'll be the first to download it.
Come on Netscape!!
Yeah it's getting pretty bad now.
I wrote one message recently that was serious and relevant, and it was moderated to flamebait.
Right after that, I went into preferences and turned off display scores so now I'll never see the asinine choices of other people.
For the best non-censored viewing experience on Slashdot, turn off score display, and select -1 score for thread viewing, and nested threads, and you're rocking.
This will be moderated down too, but I won't know and won't care and you won't either if you use the settings I recommended!
Anyone mind posting a list of bug fixes/additions if they find one/find out on your own? I, for one, hate Netscape with a passion because of many of the ...Features...But I'm always willing to give it another try.. =] But I won't waste my time downloading it without knowing why the new version of this bloated browser is so special.
Layers are non-standard and the decision was made to not support layers through Javascript. Mozilla will not support it. Instead, CSS should be used from now on.
The hell it's not. It was not designed that way, it was designed so that both processes would be idle until such time as the DNS server responded. See unix-dns.h. Someone must have botched things so that netlib is looping calling DNS_ServiceProcess() repeatedly, even though the fd returned by DNS_SpawnProcess() has not yet been marked readable.
This isn't too surprising, though, since netlib is such a mess that this "looping" failure mode is one of the most common things to go wrong.
Many sites pops up new windows even if you have JavaScripts disabled. (Just my 50 öre)
I could actually make a nice junkbuster feature request list. ;-)
Otherwise, aye to all the suggestions. I miss those features mentioned at the top of the thread each and every day!
Yes, I have found the DNS implementation in Netscape to be problematic.
If you have multiple netscapes open, one of them doing a DNS lookup can freeze up all the others until the lookup is finished.
Also, one way to almost for sure crash netscape... Type in the name of a non-existant web page. Before it finishes looking up the page, type in the name of a real web page and hit enter. CRASH!
I sure hope this gets fixed!!!
(Source is available.)
Mozilla is alpha. It crashes a lot. It will improve. Independent people will find crashes when they get annoyed by them, because this is free software!
Did anyone encounter a bug in which fullsoft.dll crahses Netscape 4.7 as it loads?? Could only run it after deleting that file... still, i prefer it from IE - lets just all pray Mozilla could regain the popularity netscape once had...
To the fool, he who speaks wisdom will sound foolish. ---Euripides
Mozilla seems like a non-worthwile cause from my experience with the project. The developers time would be better spent should they work with the KDE team on their wonderful browser.
But I gotta be honest -- I'm really unhappy with the last few versions of Netscape. They've been pulling a MS: building tonnes of extra (and, IMHO, unneeded) features in and sacrificing stability.
Netscape is the *only* application on my desktop that crashes chronically. I have to pull up a command line and kill -9 it at least 3-4 times a day. It's not like I'm doing anything but surfing /. and a few HOWTOs.
So, if there's anybody out there who has any pull at Netscape reading this: FIX THE STABILITY. This is your last chance with me and (I'm sure) a lot of other users.
Otherwise, hopefully Mozilla will be good when it finally comes out (anyone have any idea when that'll be?).
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Every year during my review, I just pray the words "slashdot.org" aren't mentioned.
I don't know how or why this bug came up but if you run Netscape from a Simlink the spell checker dosn't work.
You shuld be able to figure out how to make it start from the actual executeble or a script that points where the simlink did.
--= Isn't it surprising how badly I spell ?
I'm forced to agree with you.
I have completely had it with Netscape crashing at the absolute worst possible time, the stalled downloads, the freezes, the infuriating "Document: Done" freeze where it won't let you click on links, not rendering pages after downloading, the list goes on and on!
I'm switching to IE 5 for now, but I'm seriously considering shelling out the bucks for Opera. Opera has worked well for me, no crashes, fast, not a system resource hog on my old computer and the latest version still fits on a 3.5 floppy. At this point it would be worth it just to avoid all of the Netscape crashes and all of the IE security issues.
I haven't kept up with Mozilla. I thought it was supposed to be a small and fast browser without all of the bloat. Yet I see the latest Win 32 compile is over 5 Megs zipped. Much smaller than IE 5 or NN 4.x I admit but what I really would like is a stripped down version of JUST the browser. I don't want all of the smart search, e-commerce, radio, netcasting, mail and newsreaders. I have other, faster ways of handling all of that. It would be great if Netscape and Microsoft would release "light" versions of their bloatware, but I guess that's nothing but a fantasy.
sorry, couldnt resisit...
-- your knees hurt, don't they?
Check again; UNIX+Mac *first*.
/pub/communicator/english/4.7
Current directory is
mac/ Tue Sep 28 14:06:00 1999
unix/ Tue Sep 28 14:06:00 1999
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-nicole
Okay, this has done wonders for me. I was constantly having Netscape puke on me. I turned off Java and Javascript. That help tons. Then, I got tired of not having javascript one day. I turned it back on and found that the majority of my stability issues were related to have Java turned on. So, I went on with Java disabled. Then, I came across this. Make sure you see: /root]# chkfontpath --list /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc:unscaled /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi:unscaled /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi:unscaled /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1 /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi
[root@mouse
Current directories in font path:
1:
2:
3:
4:
5:
6:
7:
8:
If you don't see this, add them! I now have had Java enabled for the last week and only had one crash (async DNS related). In short, I've been much happier. I no longer have to practice yoga for 12-hours a day to calm down and am now back drinking ten pots of coffee per day.
Hope it helps the rest of you!!!
- $35 for a single license
http://www.opera.com/alt_os.htmlbased on the new QT2.0 from Troll Tech
supporta any UNIX/Linux platform where there is real demand and Qt is available.
available sooner on BeOS, Psion & Mac
http://www.opera.com/graphics/linux.png
peterrenshaw ~ Another Scrappy Startup
Netscape*Navigator*toolBar*myshopping.isEnabled: false
:)
If you don't know what this is or how to use it,
this message probably isn't for you
For every problem, there is at least one solution that is simple, neat, and wrong.
It seems the same problem happens on the win32 version. It is problematic for us when it runs on MetaFrame... eats up all the CPU!
Has anyone figured out what the point of the 4.5 series is? I haven't.
I guess part of it is "netcenter integration". Since I don't use netcenter, I guess it doesn't matter.
-- Slashdot sucks.
Well, whilst everyone else bitches about the fact it hasnt changed much (NO its not meant to have groundbreaking stuff, its a point release kids) a few observations on the FreeBSD version.
Having been running this for about 5 hours now (having had 4.6 previously) I can safely say that its startup time is far faster, its snappier and more responsive, and re-enabling Java / Javascript hasnt made it crash as I am accustomed to. In fact it hasnt crashed or locked up at all yet which is impressive in itself. This is good. In fact it's very good. It does exactly what a point release should do - fix bugs and improve stability and speed. Nice one Netscape.
~Pev
since we are talking about feature requests here...
what about getting URL autocompletion in Linux...they have it i the windows version, and I find it to be pretty nice little feature, I nuch perfer it to bookmarks...
The basic sleazeware produced in a drunken fury by a bunch of UCBerkeley grad students was still the core of BIND. --PV
An example? Check out this bug. From what I can tell it has been in there since 4.01 and maybe earlier. Let's see them put REAL support for PNGs. I doubt we will see it though.
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Informative? How did that posting go so high?
Actually the 56bit is all you need. Download fortify from fortify.net and you have 128bit strong encrytion. (Now that is informative)
Every Say hello to Miss Jelwell.
I use KFM for most of my browsing as well. Except for right now, I'm on someone elses computer using Opera. KFM is pretty cool, I have a friend who made a torture test page that loads frames recursively. It will load a framset that splits the window into 2 sections, the page that it loads is itself. A refresh tag every couple of seconds and it quickly turns into hundreds and thousands of frames. KFM is the only browser that we have seen to handle this correctly, Netscape crashes, IE crashes, KFM keeps working until the computer completely runs out of memory (real and swap) and the process dies. This can take over a half hour, Netscape doesn't last 10min. Only time I saw a load of 16+ on a linux box.
-- Remember: Wherever you go, there you are!
running Debian potato and Netscape 4.x (any version will do) is pure hell! Closing a browser window frequently results in a bus error, ugh!! Looks like it's a glibc 2.1 issue since I can't remember getting this on RedHat 5.2
:)
Oh well, there's always Mozilla
"In short: just say NO TO DRUGS, and maybe you won't end up like the Hurd people." --Linus Torvalds
I posted the original post and I don't know what your talking about...there's no Win9x/NT build yet.
Do not download Netscape 4.7 glibc.
I downloaded it and it will not...
1. quit you have to kill -9 it
2. Load al lot of pages ie. slashdot.org, themes.org
I am using a RH 6 box
I downloaded the libc version and it worked fine.
Ev0l
To my knowledge there is no such problem. Can you
please give details? Probably the fix is
very simple.
One hint directly: Avoid spaces and newlines
before the closing .
This appears to be the 56 bit Standard (Exportable) Encryption version. I think I'll put off downloading/using this version until the 128 bit version is released. It will probably be a few days before their web pages are updated; which is too bad because they'll never let you ftp the files straight from them with all the encryption laws.
Anyone see the 128 bit Strong Encryption version floating around?
I recently checked out a few proxy servers for Linux, and stumbled onto a project called Muffin. It's a proxy written in Java, and also extensible in Java, but with some neat default modules already installed, like an Animated Gif Killer, a Decafeinater (no mo Java(Script)?) So us Linux geeks also have something like that. :)
did anyone compare using communicator 4.7, the supported/linux20_glibc2 and the unsupported/linux22 download ?
Maybe the people who have trouble tend to speak out more? But anyway, Netscape works fine for me. Even on my Win95, NS is pretty stable ever since 4.04. There are some javascript problems the come up occassionally, but it is at the most as problematic as my experience with IE4. Linux version tends to crash a lot more often than on my win95 box, but nothing majorly annoying. NS serve as a great browser for me, and I would never want to use the sluggish IE (why would I want a 10MB+ browser loaded on system start up?). I have faith in NS 5. If Netscape can learn something from MS and remove some of the idiotic designs from NS 4, it'll really catch up to IE in terms of usability.
This is the kind of break through we've been waiting for for hundreds and hundreds of days!
But that's not all! A "Radio" thingy. Of course, the page is not found, but it's definitely a break through in convenience.
The release notes file is missing, too.
Upgrade immediately to get the satisfaction of 0.0.9th of a release.
"What's the point of going abroad, if you're just another tourist..."
I wish Netscape would allow you to automatically enable and disable certain features depending on what domain you are visiting.
For instance, JavaScript could always be enabled EXCEPT when visiting a Geocities site. And cookies could always be refused except when visiting a webmail site that requires them, or something.
And I agree about the autoload image button.
Take care,
Steve
If they fully implement PNG tomorrow, it'll still be 1-2 years before I can justify using it in site design (because you gotta let the don't-wanna-upgrade sect catch up). I don't wanna use UNISYS's .gifs anymore, but .jpgs don't work in all situations.
Another thing: let me shut off the ability for sites to spawn new windows. It don't want every damn site I go to sending me to porn sites and casino sites so the damned site owner can make a few cents. Shut it off, I'll turn it back on if I ever feel like smacking gophers.
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Every year during my review, I just pray the words "slashdot.org" aren't mentioned.
Others below have pointed out that it's "myshopping.isEnabled"; I just thought that should be linked here.
# chkfontpath --list chkfontpath: Command not found.
"let me shut off the ability for sites to spawn new windows"
Oh yeah, can I get a "Praise the Lord"??
This "feature" is so DAMN ANNOYING!!! You'd think it was a JavaScript thing, but no....
I've got to end this comment before I have a stroke....
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Actually the fall and decline of Netscape started with the blink tag.
if by 'hosing' you mean stop the os or stuff it up terribly - NO.
if you KILL BASH does that 'hose' linux? no.
1) Setup IE to start up in a new process - enable open folder in new process as well. That way no matter if you're browsing locally or on the internet - and something goes wrong the OS is not 'hosed'
2) Say you don't do (1), if Explorer crashes it will restart - if it doesn't for some god unknown reason (never happened here) just C-A-D and restart it.
3) See, no hosing.
Faced with the same dilemma, I have switched to Opera. It works well for me, under NT4.
And they're working on the Linux version.
Not free in any sense, though.
I know it's not interesting for you americans, but try to get to some Baltic web site with Netscape (eg. http://www.lrytas.lt , http://www.sat.lt). I would understand if Netscape does not show Lithuanian letters, but it does not show entire page!! It shows question marks, something like that:
??????????????????????
??????????????????????????????????
???????????????????????????????
Here open source wins - there is no such problem with mozilla.
I hope it is better with 4.7...
Then Netscape could not pop up windows on you!
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Remember how Quake3Test was released? Linux, then Mac, then Win. Why? Smallest number of users first. Even though IE has infiltrated the Netscape user base, I think that the Windows users of Netscape still outnumber the other platforms (I have no data on this, please correct me if I am wrong).
So it makes sense to release it for *nix first. The user base is more technical and smaller, they will find all the juicy "issues" quickly and fix them for 4.71 before they release for Windiots.
Hello little man. I will destroy you!
He's right. Netscape would be lucky if they made navigator as stable and standards compliant as IE.
The border problem is easily fixed w/ a border=0 element in the TABLE tag...
I thought I was the only one who loved the strict html parser. Many a time it has caught a missing end tag. I just wish that this feature could be turned on and off, so I can see the pages written by the idiots who use IE only in their coding.
Are you downloading Communicator?
Try Navigator on its own and you will find it is more slimlined and efficient than MSIE could ever hope to be. It also has better Javascript,CSS, and DHTML suport.
And also remember cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" in the table tag. Important for real browsers like Opera and Netscape.
"Oppression and harassment is a small price to pay to live in the land of the free." -- Montgomery Burns.
I used Opera a few times (when using Windows a few times) and love the "zoom" feature it has. I don't know about you, but I run a high resolution and it seems too many people design their pages with tiny little fonts that can't be seen worth a shit in anything over 640x480. With Opera, all ya gotta do is select a new zoom factor from a button on the bottom of the screen. And that zoom would only effect the browser window you want it to. Even images. If only Netscape would implement something similar it would save my eyes!
It seems that configuring anything is too much oof a pain in Netscape. If they could make it faster to toggle pictures, toggle Java, toggle proxies, toggle auto-opening of windows...
One thing I didn't like about Opera at first was that it would confine all your browser windows to within a single window. But that kinda grows on you, cause each window takes a hell of a lot less desktop real estate.
Can you believe I just upgraded from 4.6 to 4.61 TWO DAYS AGO?!?! I can't believe I went for so long. I had a problem for a quite some time where my mouse cursor would flip (as when pulling down a menu) and I'd lock up. I couldn't do anything in X, but I'd have (1) chance to go to a VC and kill NS from a command line. If I went back to X without killing NS, I'd be totally fucked and have to hit the reset button...then go through 15 mins of fsck and having all my recent files deleted! I haven't had any problems with 4.61 _yet_ but it I haven't really put it to the test.
I would like to try an Opera for Linux, but last time I checked it was just "in development"
Why do people insist on using microfonts?
The support guy was saying "hose" as in cause such problem that complete reinstall is the only sanctioned fix. that made me curious and so I asked about what it was that IE did to make Windows that instable.
Do they use the JRE installed on your linux system, or still include their slow buggy version?
It would be nice if it would use the JRE that the other java apps on the system used for displaying applets.
ok so it's not quite with the topic, but it kinda links with Mozilla.
Anyone heard of NetCaptor? Win32 only, but it does a lot of the things people have been muttering about here. And it'll be able to use Mozilla's layout engine when it's ready..
Well, I like like it, anyway (for when I'm stuck in win32 land, that is)
www.netcaptor.com is where it's at.
Matt
more available as I get them . . .
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1. Supposed to? Is it on the HCL?
:)
2. No, ActiveDesktop didn't come with IE5. The only way you could get it was if you upgraded from a IE4+ActiveDesktop configuration. Not to mention that ActiveDesktop is an *option*, not mandatory, when you install IE4.
3. Try reading the large amount of posts in this thread about Linux users feeling guilty because they want to use IE5 instead of Netscape.
4. Why would Microsoft bother paying anyone to try to convince people that Netscape sucks when the proof is right there for anyone foolish enough to download Netscape's browsers?
5. Uh-huh. Facts like IE requiring a Pentium III, incorrect claims about IE5 shipping with ActiveDesktop, and your mysterious "some flavor of ATI Rage something or other" video card? Yeah, the fact that you have an account here has really helped *your* credibility. You'd be better off posting such blather anonymously. But thanks for letting us readers know who it is we're laughing at.
Yes, it's true, Communicator is bloated, while Nav generally isn't. But I also like a good GUI mail program to go along with my browser. And even then I still have better luck with IE. Amazingly enough, Netscape locks up on me more often then IE5.. =] Netscape lost my vote when 3.0 was released. A lot of times I just play is safe with lynx.. =] Features don't get to me much, since I don't visit super-java'd pages, etc. So I just want something that displays pages without locking up (Which Netscape generally doesn't do for me..) =]
4.7 and still the CSS sucks... gods know we can't cascade elements properly!
And on a Mac note, Netscape still hasn't updated to the latest version of the Mercutio MDEF. Using an old copy of the MDEF with MacOS 8.5 + will cause crashes. It takes like 30 seconds to fix in ResEdit and can be done for free... yet a year later, Netscape still hasn't fixed the problem! Argh!
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Am I the only one who thinks Microsoft is a misnomer? Perhaps Macrosoft would be a better fit?
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3. Only the braindead and the most wacked-out zealots actually think that Netscape puts out a better browser.
Netscape is better for web development, also you can view the web with it and not only cached contents - despite any trick IE can show sometimes the current page only if you delete its cache, and/or restart the browser and/or reboot the machine
...and it's lcak of support for Active X is (and always has been) a severe detriment... hmm... sounds more like a positive point than a detriment to me. ActiveX blows chunks.
http://www.fateware.com/ramiro/chrome- hacks
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1. I don't know, but I'm the one providing *any* facts here. Besides, if it works under SP3, why would they have to break it for SP5? Like I said, it's a machine from Gateway that was *designed* to run 98/NT. Hmm.
:) I agree, it's probably better to browse with IE5, but only because IE5 parses *content generated by Microsoft products* better, and gets a faster connection from IIS, and Microsoft-enhanced pages (like microsoft.com). Surprised? I hope not... Incidentally, I also don't use IE5 because its support for UNIX *sucks*! It only works on one special Solaris configuration with kernel patches, and probably about as well under HP/UX. Also, since they had to rip out all the DLL's separately, you get to see how much RAM IE5 uses by itself. Ugh.
:) If you are indeed the same lame Anonymous Coward to which I was speaking earlier. I *never* said anything about IE5 shipping with ActiveDesktop. Put those words back in your mouth because I don't know where it's been. Anyhow, I've tested RAM requirements for IE, and run ActiveDesktop, and it's *slow* if it isn't on a fast machine. In fact, it's optimized for a faster machine. And if you haven't checked the ATI cards lately, getting that far is good, since they're all like: ATI Rage Pro Turbo AGP Ultra Frickin' Long Named Graphics Card. Maybe if they had a short, simple name for it, I'd remember. If I remembered the Gateway model #, I'd let you look it up. And I'm sure that anyone who followed the chain of original posts can tell who's posting their experiences and who's being inflammatory. I'll leave that as an exercise to the reader. :)
2. *I* was commenting on IE5 and ActiveDesktop separately, but if you want a correlation, they're both from Microsoft, they both *eat* RAM, and I'm sure they share DLL's, especially in Win '98. (remember that web-browser-integration-thing?) Also, ActiveDesktop *is* an option. It should be turned off, since it can't be easily un-installed. That was all *I* was trying to say about it.
3. If they're using IE5, then they probably aren't using Linux too, so if they want something to feel guilty about...
4. I don't know, but they do it all the time. Why advertise a free product? Why bundle an inferior product with your OS?
5. Those facts were consistent and in the spirit of your original post.
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If you're running anything but x86 (on the vendor-supplied OS), go over ther and download it.
If you're running any free OS, or any OS on x86, don't bother, cause it ain't there.
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Check RAM requirements of Windows with nothing loaded on it.
Install Netscape, run it, set it's default web page to something standard (or blank), shutdown, reboot, run netscape, and check it's RAM requirements. (Everything, + Netscape, if possible)
Install IE, run it, do the same, shutdown, reboot, run IE, and check it's RAM requirements. (same)
Tell me what you find out. Then if you ever get a chance, look at the minimum and recommended hardware for the two browsers, and try that out too.
(yes, *light* is a relative term, however, unless you have a nice box to run Windows on, IE really sucks. Netscape, on the other hand, started out on slow machines, and worked okay. It's enough to make me want to use Netscape 1.2 again.
Also, IE *really* sucks on any non-Windows system. Actually IE3 under Linux (using Wine) is *much* better than IE4 or IE5 attempting to run natively on Solaris.
Which version of NS on Linux? Some of them *do* suck. That's why I'm running 4.61, it's generally better. (haven't tried 4.7 yet) I might compare IE intensively myself on this machine, but I'm not about to install Windows to do it. Wake me up when MS releases IE6 for Linux.
(however, I'm tempted to install IE5 under Wine, that should be an interesting test....)
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The 128 bit version just appeared on their web pages. (for Linux, anyway).
314-15-9265
Did they fix the mail filtering? Netscape 4.61 stops at the first matched rule, so it's impossible to have more than one rule per message. This is contrary to the documentation of the product.
The CCK is written in Java/JavaScript and probably runs on Unix too. One can also create a netscape.jsc manually and turn it into a netscape.cfg using something like this:
Ummm... debian netscape recently switched to the libc5 versions, simply because they were a few orders of magnitude more stable. Perhaps that's what you're talking about?
I know the feeling. At our uni Netscape is the default browser setup. Slashdot will occasionally crash it (with about 3/4 windows open). I generally prefer Netscape to IE for reasons of security, but apparently IE 5 has the option to run each window as a seperate thread/process, which means only one window goes.
I can't see why Netscape hasn't done the same. Still, apart from the loss of hyperlinks and crashes, I still use it as my main browser.
ftp://128.253.254.56/communicator47/libc5complete/ communicator-v47-expo rt.x86-unknown-linux2.0.tar.gz (libc5) (15.1MB)
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Border is probably the wrong word for it. There is a one pixel gap between the left and top borders and the content which only appears with Netscape.
http://www.estudarnz.org.nz shows this.
LP
Nothing is so smiple that it can't be screwed up.
No IMPORTANT improvements as far as I'm concerned. Added an annoying as heck icon "Shop" where the "Stop" button used to be, but hey, anything to make a buck. Tried a page with the smallest java applet I could write, and it crashed just as quick as before. Guess I have to keep loading Vmware with IE just to browse the web without crashes (when turning off Java isn't an option).
The problems is that a complete reinstall is the only sanctioned fix for most Windows problems.
Free Mac Mini. Yes, I'm
I think that they have not spent much money on the browser development since IE made it so big. They obviously have real problems like PNG and CSS that they haven't fixed. I think they're done spending big money on the product, since it is free.
Why won't they just GPL it, do they think they have some real investment to LOSE!?!? They already lost it when they made the client free!
And Mozilla's not quite the same as just making the Netscape codebase open. Isn't Mozilla a ground-up rewrite? And a buggy one at that!
Hello little man. I will destroy you!
About 2 mins ago the linux binaries were released glibc2 and libc5.
Yeah, I thought that all the Mac people going to IE was pretty bad too - because IE loaded all those dreadful MS extensions, which conflict with eachother if you also have Photoshop 5.5 installed by the way. (MS successfully porting the DLL HELL problem to the Mac platform).
Then Netscape started doing the same thing, only worse, Netscape started loading extensions from third-parties, so that if you weren't paying very close attention, you end up with a whole buttwad of garbage you have no chance of identifying.
Bring back CyberDog!
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
These are my friends, See how they glisten. See this one shine, how he smiles in the light.
One thing I am glad to see is the "Edit message as new" feature under the "Message" menu in Mail. This is something I've been waiting for for a long time... I got real tired of totally recreating the message if I messed up or had to send it to someone else or just didn't want those ">" forwarding markers.
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
The wheel is turning, but the hamster is dead.
Right now I'm surfing using kfm - the web browser/file manager built into KDE. It does work pretty well, and it's much faster than Bloatscape, but it's missing some fundamental stuff like Javascript, and its table support mangles some web pages. As of KDE 1.1.2, kfm's notorious memory leaks have been fixed. Let's hear it for stability instead of bloat.
As far as Mozilla goes, I've played with it a bit. I'll come back to it when it's ready for prime time.
Meldroc, Waster of Electrons
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Netscape 4.7 adds yet another button to the navigation toolbar, which is annoying because it further increases the amount of screen real estate required for me to be able to see the "Stop" button on the right. Right now, the "Shop", "My Netscape", and "Search" buttons are all candidates for removal -- if I could figure out how.
Does anyone know how to remove buttons from the toolbar? Is there some hack to the preferences.js file that would do it?
And if you don't have an alpha, you're not out of the woods. This sort of thing indicates sloppy code. Means bad news for future versions and for you, when you eventually go 64-bit, which you will.
So when will we get a Linux version?
..
cd ok, cwd=/pub/communicator/english/4.7/unix/supported
lftp> ls
total 0
drwxr-xr-x 9 888 999 123 Sep 28 16:07 .
drwxr-xr-x 3 888 999 27 Sep 28 14:07
drwxr-xr-x 5 888 999 155 Sep 28 14:50 aix4
drwxr-xr-x 4 888 999 126 Sep 28 16:07 dec_unix40
drwxr-xr-x 5 888 999 155 Sep 28 15:12 hpux1010
drwxr-xr-x 5 888 999 92 Sep 28 16:18 hpux1020
drwxr-xr-x 5 888 999 155 Sep 28 15:33 irix62
drwxr-xr-x 4 888 999 126 Sep 28 15:42 sunos54
drwxr-xr-x 5 888 999 155 Sep 28 15:57 sunos551
lftp>
Netscape 4.xx and above: The feature is there, but it's buried under umpteen menus and hard to turn on or off.
That "feature" alone has made me never want to "upgrade" from 3.01.
Here's my "All I Ever Wanted From Netscape Or Mozilla" list, for which I've been waiting since Netscape 3.01:
If I have to download 50M of bloatware to get any or all of those four simple features, I'll do it over a 14.4k link and give you my snail-mail address and all the demographic data your marketers want. If I have to download 3M of the most elegantly-crafted code on God's green earth over a T-1, but lose the ability to easily enable/disable image autoloading that I have with NS3.01, it's still a downgrade, not an upgrade as far as I'm concerned :)
please don't flood the server.
Netscape 4.7 (http)
Netscape 4.7 (ftp)
thankyou,
-d
(Blu3)
On windows I have to unstall aim.exe and mess with the registry. On my unix boxes (nothing, nice....)
If netscape was still a consumer product that was sold in stores, we might get newer better versions with added features. But sinces micros~1 messed that up for us, we have to use it as we get it.
Unless you want to use IE (Opps no linux binary, go figure...)
It makes sense, and they're probably doing it for the same reasons that John Carmack did with the Q3ATest release. Smaller userbases. You can whack out the big bugs before you get millions of complaints from windows llamas.
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I mean, really, how much more must we endure before they get the hint and supply us with a few useful options. I also had the same issue with cookies until I finally went and downloaded Cookie Crusher.
Um, I've been using both the nightly and the Milestone builds for a while, and while it looks great - I won't use it as my primary browser -just yet-. The mail client, which never authenticates my password on my POP3 account, leaves much to be desired. And while Moz should be feature complete by November 2nd, I wouldn't count on that, either. Lots of bux fixes keep going up, but Bugzilla still shows lots more. Also, I think M11 is going to be delayed, I know they were having problems with the XP widgets and what nots. -Stephen Donner who's still waiting for the 4.7 Win binaries.
Wow!!!
It's rare case that Macintosh version comes out
earlier than Windows versions.
Is the Netscape working harder on Macs than on Windows?
Good luck, Netscape and Apple!!!!
I think new iMac II is cool!! Apple seems to return to cosumer market finally. ( I hope it would be a lot cheaper in my country. )
This was just recently fixed in the devel version of slackware.. We where having the same problem, it turns out that xfree86 was being compiled with optimization set too high. Problem that I noticed: Netscape seemed to crash after opening/closing too many windows,.. bus errors on quit.. Bus errors after clicking okay on roaming user access screen. Might be a good idea to bug the debian team to check on this... If in doubt you can try and get the slackware-current x11 packages and install them ontop of potato (yes, this will work fine.. the devel version of slackware now uses glibc 2.1.2) Hope this helps!
(Sounds better than "me too").
Each of these options is to die or (if you're thinking more clearly), to kill for.
<rant> KFM -- the times that I used it -- seemed a nice, minimal, fairly lightweight browser. I use Lynx a fair bit but it suffers grossly from poor page design. Opera is supposed to have a good, clean, client. How about a browser that's just a fscking browser, people? Any other suggestions out there?
</rant>
What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?
Wow!!
A few minutes ago there was no 4.7 version for Windows. But there are Base/Complete/Professional
versions there. I am not sure if they are fully uploaded. Even the file names for the Complete version doesn't have *.exe.
Does anyone know where the release notes are, or a changelog of bug fixes and new features?
That's been around for a LONG time! At least since 4.5, maybe 4.0.
ftp://ftp20.netscape.com/pub/communicator/english/ 4.7/unix/supported
What about https:?
-- Don't Tase me, bro!
From: Daniel Veditz 7:55 PM Subject: Re: 4.7 Release for Windows? Resent-From: mozilla-builds@mozilla.org To: mozilla-builds@mozilla.org Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.builds Stephen Donner wrote: > > http://slashdot.org/articles/99/09/28/1825256.shtm l > > I posted the release of 4.7 for the Mac and Unix platforms, when are we > going to see the Windows 9x/NT builds? 4.7 has not officially been released. If you happen to have found something calling itself on our servers consider it an early bonus. -Dan Veditz
The thing that got to me the most was the hanging - I'd close the browser and later start it again, only to find that a ghost had remained resident and prevented my new window to open! Then it would give me that not responding BS...
I surf with usually more than one browser window open - I'd hit one of my favorite pages and go to visit another window, only to click on the window later and see only a screen with the other window's contents, and the browser hanging on "contacting host." Or how about when you surf to a page and none of the links would be clickable - you try to shut down but it hangs!
One of my favorite sites, Thresh's Firingsquad, would freeze Netscape for about ten seconds while loading! This is on a dual Pentium III system folks, 256mb RAM, NT 4.0 with Service Pack 5, connected to a LAN. I don't think stability and dependability are too much to ask for considering these resources - apparently Netscape does because their software has gone in the crapper once version 4 came out.
Those damn illegal operations: surf with more than one window and close a window? Maybe it doesn't like that, illegal operation. Add a bookmark? Maybe it doesn't like that, illegal operation. Hell, when I'd finally restart again it would destroy the changes I made to my bookmark file - these past few months I've found myself arbitrarily copying my current URL with CTRL-C just in case Netscape crashes and it would destroy my history, no lie.
I'm tired of the crap, Netscape. Fix it: make it stable, light on its feet, and get rid of the crap nobody but braindead AOLers want - fix what's wrong with your software or I'll stay away forever.
I feel like a Nazi using IE5, but it is stable, light, dependable. I'll continue to use it until someone gives me what I want: a clean, sturdy, and stable version of Netscape, whether Netscape is the one to bring it to me or not.
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Fast? As opposed to every previous version of mozilla? I'm sure raptor is blazingly fast in some sense, but the fact is, even the horribly bloated and worthless communicator 6.1 is much faster on rendering than any mozilla version I have yet tried. Perhaps I have missed the --horribly-slow-off switch.
Sure they haven't spent a whole lot of $$$ on the 4.x line since the Mozilla project began, but why should they? You have to keep in mind these (4.5 on, or so- I forget...) are for the most part maintenance/ security fix releases. It would be foolish to attempt to rewrite major parts of the code, such as the rendering engine, multiple POP mailboxes, better CSS support- the list goes on...
No investment to lose? I beg to differ. While for home users the product is free, it sure isn't for the corporate client.
And Mozilla? Cut them some slack. Is the code even alpha yet?
s/6\.1/4\.61/, of course. I shouldn't post in the middle of the night.
Keep in mind that Mozilla is still in *alpha*
--Ben
As a web designer with visits mostly from Windows clients, I won't be able to find any "issues" at all until 4.7 is released for Windows.
"Windiots"? Why do people like you still exist?
Hands in my pocket
Think Mozilla.
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I use 4.5 for EVERYTHING! Mail through imap, web of course, newsgroup, address book ... I can't live without it.
:)
Well let me get this straight, 4.7 doesn't change much. Some bug might have been corrected, a "shop" button added, but that is all folks!
I have been testing Mozilla M9 for a few weeks now, and this is really neat. 1 hour to compile it (PII 300 - 96 Mb), but it is worth it. I wouldn't rely on it for my e-mail yet, but it sounds really promising.
For those of you who are having these anoying bus error, there is a doc somewhere explaining what you have to do to get rid of that. If I remember well, it has something to do with the libc (bummer).
Well, Netscape is as heavy as usual. Netscape is, I think, the only program I use on a daily basis that doesn't use any free in the source code
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win32 (16.2MB) ftp://128.253.254.56/communi cator47/winpro/cp32e47.exe
mac (12.9MB) ftp://128.2 53.254.56/communicator47/maccomplete/Comm4.7_Compl ete_EX.bin
glibc2 (16.2MB) ftp://128.253.254.56/communicator47/glibc20complet e/communicator -v47-export.x86-unknown-linuxglibc2.0.tar.gz
libc5 (15.1MB) ftp://128.253.254.56/communicator47/libc5complete/ communicator-v47-expo rt.x86-unknown-linux2.0.tar.gz
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But as you say so yourself on that webpage, this bug does occur with .jpg and .gif as well. This is just a bug in the layout renderer, nothing to do with lack of PNG support.
Netscape 4.61 crashes constantly on Solaris as well, with bus errors. I don't even install netscape on my windows machines anymore, and I really wish IE for solaris would get a little better. On linux, hell, I use lynx if I want to get something done without crashing :)
The current potato has a Netscape which is linked against libc5, which has at least substantially reduced if not eliminated this problem for me (it hasn't happened since that change, but that says nothing.. :) ). A bit of a kludge (I think probably the actual problem is binary incompatibility with glibc2.1) but it works.
:-P
You should update your system more often if you want to live on the bleeding edge
Daniel
Hurry up and jump on the individualist bandwagon!
You want better granularity on JavaScript? Look at this document and send comments to the Mozilla people.
Mozilla. It's not just open source, it's got turbo-studly bits.
Works fine for me too. Most software does in fact. Good karma. Clean living. Keep stuff in nice organized piles. Lots of ruffage. Use suntan lotion.
... that doesn't have any problems with Netscape?
I'm running NT4/SP5, 96mb of RAM, dual PPro 200 (yes, old school, I know). No problems. It starts up quickly, it runs well, it's kind of a dog when it comes to rendering pages.
I installed IE4 a while back to test it, and when it took a full 30 seconds to open, I uninstalled it. I think the main thing would be to only download what you need. If you don't need it for mail/news, DON'T DOWNLOAD COMMUNICATOR. Just download the browser.
I've visited all the URLs that people are saying hang their Netscapes, and it seems to be working just dandy for me. I have Javascript on, Java off.
I'm seeing a lot of "Netscape's crap" posts... does it work for anyone else, or am I alone on this one?
-- I can't think of anything witty to put here. Sorry.
Yay, so he can type HTML tags and use a word processor. Strike up the band. I thought we were talking about browsers supporting PNGs.
Netscape has been degrading ever since after the 3.x series. Netscape 3.x is awesome and I strongly recommend it for your daily browsing needs.
Netscape is not dead ...
1. Mozilla is much further ahead in standards support than IE.
2. Mozilla is free software, and hence will evolve more rapidly than IE can.
3. Most people consider lack of ActiveX support a feature.
4. Mozilla will be widely used on non-MS operating systems. If Linux becomes as big as I expect it to, Mozilla will have a big head start.
ftp://archive:oldies@archi ve.netscape.com/archive/index.html
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"L'IT c'est moi!"
IE runs on Windows, Mac, Solaris and HPUX. NS runs on like 20 platforms (wasn't this the whole purpose of the html and web?) and Mozilla will run basically on EVERY platform (even exotic ones like "OpenBSD for DEC Alpha" or "Linux for MIPS" or "Beos on Intel or PPC".) I will curse every developer whose sites do not render correctly on Netscape.
One horrible thing about NS (on windows at least):
Even if you repeatedly say no when it asks you whether you want to make it your default browser for opening html files, it still goes ahead and makes itself the default browser!!!