Every time I hear "Think of the Children" all I'm hearing is "Die mussen die juden ausrotten"
Abusing children is bad, so is ruining someones life because they thought a 16 year old was hot when their genetics told them to, isn't that what we've been fighting for on the GLBT front?
You're correct, its not about the 2 party system. the problem, is human nature. Deep down, we're all greedy and self serving, and this shows in our actions, even sub-consciously, very few humans can escape this pitfall, and they often go on to greatness when they do.
That still leaves us with the problem of 'normal' humans being left to run the day to day stuff, when we are given ample opportunities to cheat the system, and make a buck doing so. What needs to happen, is the system needs to change to account for this.
Step one: ALL government salaries get capped at the average american income, if the average american makes 32,000 a year, so does the president, chiefs of staff, and all military salaries. you want to make more money? improve the fucking country. All forms of additional payment in any method (Bonuses etc) are banned. because of the lose of life that can happen when this rule would get subverted, punishment is mandatory life sentence without parole.
Step two: Ban ALL form of campaign contribution, and campaigning. you are allowed to distribute a one page letter to the American public detailing your political stances on various issue, you are NOT allowed to include anything do to with race or religion, doing so earns you the same punishment as rule 1.
Step three: You vote for war, you GO to war, ever politician who votes "Yes" on a bill to declare war that is passed gets drafted into the infantry where they will not be allowed to leave until they have earned their action badge.
Step four: ?????
Step five: NO Profit, and thats the fucking point.
Does this go into the extremes? A little bit, but look around you guys, they are already taking it to the extreme. They can now kidnap an american citizen from his bed at night, ship him off to a git-mo clone for the rest of his life. yeah, that doesn't sound like the Nazi Germany SS or anything.. no, its completely different.
Actually, we (Im Canadian) pulled out because our federal government doesn't have alot of control over the provincial governments. The federal liberal government signed the agreement when they should not have, because the Albert provincial government flat out told the feds to go fuck themselves and they're not following the treaty, for Canada to then follow the treaty as a whole, we would have had to cut carbon emissions from Quebec and Ontario to the point that it wasn't economically viable, in order to make up for Alberta's refusal to follow the accord.
That is literally the only reason we HAD to pull out.
And that's a perfectly valid way of looking at things, I just don't agree with it.
"But it does remove them from that game. Good enough for me."
Its not good enough for me, I want them, and any like them removed from the service, and that's fundamentally where we disagree I think, you want just enough punishment to remove the symptom, I want to permanently remove the cause. At least that is how I see it, you probably see it very differently which is one of the great things about humans, if there's a possible viewpoint, no matter how outside the norm, someone on the planet has it.
Its called a deterrent. However I don't think we will never see eye to eye on this, I can tell from your statement of confusion of my standpoint, which is fine, we're allowed to disagree.
But to give an example of another deterrent when the act doesn't match up with anything to do with the 'rights' taken away. Why do most nations not allow criminals to vote? Because the ability to vote used to be such a big deal, that taking it away was a great deterrent.
And to touch on your comment about moderating at the server level, again, its all about deterrents. People have a way of, well, being complete assholes when they've convinced themselves that they no longer care about something, so I would rather see a system that bans the whole bloody console, against all games and services. future and present when you break the rules. So you don't have little Jimmy who thinks to himself, "I don't give a rats ass if I get caught cheating and banned from Black Ops, BF3 is out next week"
"Well little Jimmy, you're a complete asshole for thinking that way, your parents failed you, and we don't want you on our network"
Because of that scenario, I feel that moderating at the server level is pointless. If people only cheat in the games they dont care about(more often this is the case, they're just being 'trolls'), banning them from those games doesn't carry any weight, kind of like fining a Buddhist monk, even if hes got the money, he would give it away for the asking, he doesn't care about the money, therefore taking it away is not a punishment.
Also, I'm not American, I don't live in a constant state of terrorism/pedophilia hysteria.
The potential to cheat in multiplayer, Yes I'm THAT against it, I would literally like to see criminal charges leveled against those who do. Is that going to happen? No, not its not, but my opinion is my opinion.
Again, like I said in the previous post, its all about discouraging the installation of custom firmware, nothing more, nothing less.
You think that someone should be able to use customized firmware, while retaining partial connectivity to the manufacturers support network, I think that as soon as you modify the device, you should forfeit any and all support of the product, and access of the network.
You get to be a tinkerer, or a consumer, you don't get both. (My Opinion)
Nothing harmful at all, its incentive not to fuck with the hardware, nothing else.
Ide rather they ban all potential cheaters. Im a consumer, I dont care about installing linux on a coffee maker, but I enjoy reading about it. The problem I have, and Ill use Geo as an example; what he personally does, I have NO problems with, if he wants to tinker, go nuts man, just don't teach the world how to cheat. The chain of events is almost always like this:
Uber Hacker figures out how to root the device
Uber Hacker shares this with script kiddy caliber hackers.
Script kiddies then develop apps/loader/method of playing pirated games.
Cheaters then take the combined knowledge and develop cheats for popular games, ruining the online environment.
People keep citing 'renting' consoles as the only method to control this stuff, I would literally sign up for that in a heartbeat and leave every, single other console behind. If they can promise me a cheat free environment, with the caveat that if they do get developed, there will be criminal charges for using them (modifying equipment you dont own) im so for that its not funny, and would never look back, only, ONLY for the anti-cheating..
Books are literally the only exception, and theres specific laws that protect them, but even those laws weren't needed until the printing press. You ARE allowed to make a copy, of any piece of artwork, and as long as you sell it as a copy, its legal.
In fact, some artists make a nice living off reproduction art.
As long as you no longer retain digital or hard copies of the CD, it should be allowed, that falls into one of the many parts of the current licensing models I dont agree with, I believe that the license itself is something that is(should be) owned by the individual, and can(should) be transferable using any legal methods, If i want to trade a Windows XP Pro license i 'own' for a carton of eggs, I should be legally allowed to do so, and the corporations, in this case Microsoft, shouldn't be allowed to sell non transferable licenses, which they are currently in the habit of doing.
I guess in a way I'm for a hybrid model, which is realistically the way its always been done before the digital revolution, you dont totally 'own' the CD, because then you have the rights to copy it and sell the copies, but on the flip side, your license 'travels' with the CD itself, enabling you to resell/give/trade your license away.
I disagree, I think PC sales have steadily risen, but this statement (and yours) cannot be proven due to lack of data. (Go ask Steam, Impulse, GOG and the rest to release their sales numbers)
I agree, and they should have the right to permanently ban your hardware from accessing their network, including all game, firmware, and dashboard updates, dlc and app stores.
No, not its not. If software wasn't licensed, when you 'Bought it' you could make copy's and sell it legally.
Follow the logic with me, when you own something, you are allowed to do anything with it. That includes making copies(yes, that includes old style media like paintings, you just cant represent them as original when you sell them), you are also allowed to sell anything you own.
See why licensing is not, nonsense, and is absolutely required for a digital society?
Now, with that being said, I would gladly agree that our current licensing terms, agreements ToS's, EULA's etc leave alot to be desired, but to completely dismiss any need for them would make any and all software worthless, and I mean that literally.
Any custom firmware should be grounds for banning the console from ever connecting to the PSN/XBL network.
The second you deviate from their arbitrary stipulations, in this case loading custom firmware, you lose all ability to connect to the network, which should cut you off from:
All DLC
Console Firmware Updates.
Console Dashboard Updates.
All game Updates.
All installable 'apps' like the netflix player.
If you're willing to give up every, and I mean EVERY online enable feature of your hardware, go nuts. You'll find very, very few consumers willing to accept that trade.
No less antagonizing than some ignorant wretch telling me I cant be happy without Jesus, and that they're going to keep harping at me until I accept that.
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Every time I hear "Think of the Children" all I'm hearing is "Die mussen die juden ausrotten" Abusing children is bad, so is ruining someones life because they thought a 16 year old was hot when their genetics told them to, isn't that what we've been fighting for on the GLBT front?
This lets us get our shit together and oppose them properly.
You're correct, its not about the 2 party system. the problem, is human nature. Deep down, we're all greedy and self serving, and this shows in our actions, even sub-consciously, very few humans can escape this pitfall, and they often go on to greatness when they do.
That still leaves us with the problem of 'normal' humans being left to run the day to day stuff, when we are given ample opportunities to cheat the system, and make a buck doing so. What needs to happen, is the system needs to change to account for this.
Step one: ALL government salaries get capped at the average american income, if the average american makes 32,000 a year, so does the president, chiefs of staff, and all military salaries. you want to make more money? improve the fucking country. All forms of additional payment in any method (Bonuses etc) are banned. because of the lose of life that can happen when this rule would get subverted, punishment is mandatory life sentence without parole.
Step two: Ban ALL form of campaign contribution, and campaigning. you are allowed to distribute a one page letter to the American public detailing your political stances on various issue, you are NOT allowed to include anything do to with race or religion, doing so earns you the same punishment as rule 1.
Step three: You vote for war, you GO to war, ever politician who votes "Yes" on a bill to declare war that is passed gets drafted into the infantry where they will not be allowed to leave until they have earned their action badge.
Step four: ?????
Step five: NO Profit, and thats the fucking point.
Does this go into the extremes? A little bit, but look around you guys, they are already taking it to the extreme. They can now kidnap an american citizen from his bed at night, ship him off to a git-mo clone for the rest of his life. yeah, that doesn't sound like the Nazi Germany SS or anything.. no, its completely different.
Im not American, but yes, if my country pulled this crap, I would be killing people.
Vote with lead, if you see an elected official, shoot them.
Actually, we (Im Canadian) pulled out because our federal government doesn't have alot of control over the provincial governments. The federal liberal government signed the agreement when they should not have, because the Albert provincial government flat out told the feds to go fuck themselves and they're not following the treaty, for Canada to then follow the treaty as a whole, we would have had to cut carbon emissions from Quebec and Ontario to the point that it wasn't economically viable, in order to make up for Alberta's refusal to follow the accord.
That is literally the only reason we HAD to pull out.
Gigity.
Corporations are people. According to the USA anyway.
I would have pegged them as flat earthers myself.
And that's a perfectly valid way of looking at things, I just don't agree with it.
"But it does remove them from that game. Good enough for me."
Its not good enough for me, I want them, and any like them removed from the service, and that's fundamentally where we disagree I think, you want just enough punishment to remove the symptom, I want to permanently remove the cause. At least that is how I see it, you probably see it very differently which is one of the great things about humans, if there's a possible viewpoint, no matter how outside the norm, someone on the planet has it.
Its called a deterrent. However I don't think we will never see eye to eye on this, I can tell from your statement of confusion of my standpoint, which is fine, we're allowed to disagree.
But to give an example of another deterrent when the act doesn't match up with anything to do with the 'rights' taken away. Why do most nations not allow criminals to vote? Because the ability to vote used to be such a big deal, that taking it away was a great deterrent.
And to touch on your comment about moderating at the server level, again, its all about deterrents. People have a way of, well, being complete assholes when they've convinced themselves that they no longer care about something, so I would rather see a system that bans the whole bloody console, against all games and services. future and present when you break the rules. So you don't have little Jimmy who thinks to himself, "I don't give a rats ass if I get caught cheating and banned from Black Ops, BF3 is out next week"
"Well little Jimmy, you're a complete asshole for thinking that way, your parents failed you, and we don't want you on our network"
Because of that scenario, I feel that moderating at the server level is pointless. If people only cheat in the games they dont care about(more often this is the case, they're just being 'trolls'), banning them from those games doesn't carry any weight, kind of like fining a Buddhist monk, even if hes got the money, he would give it away for the asking, he doesn't care about the money, therefore taking it away is not a punishment.
Also, I'm not American, I don't live in a constant state of terrorism/pedophilia hysteria.
What law did they break? Right, none. Fuck off.
The potential to cheat in multiplayer, Yes I'm THAT against it, I would literally like to see criminal charges leveled against those who do. Is that going to happen? No, not its not, but my opinion is my opinion.
Again, like I said in the previous post, its all about discouraging the installation of custom firmware, nothing more, nothing less.
You think that someone should be able to use customized firmware, while retaining partial connectivity to the manufacturers support network, I think that as soon as you modify the device, you should forfeit any and all support of the product, and access of the network.
You get to be a tinkerer, or a consumer, you don't get both. (My Opinion)
Dont know, dont care. But I dont have a twitter account and I can search twitter just fine.
Collective Load-balanced Organization of Uniformed Data-centers?
Someone has got to be able to do better than that.
False, Google "Twitter Search" Second link.
Nothing harmful at all, its incentive not to fuck with the hardware, nothing else.
Ide rather they ban all potential cheaters. Im a consumer, I dont care about installing linux on a coffee maker, but I enjoy reading about it. The problem I have, and Ill use Geo as an example; what he personally does, I have NO problems with, if he wants to tinker, go nuts man, just don't teach the world how to cheat. The chain of events is almost always like this:
Uber Hacker figures out how to root the device
Uber Hacker shares this with script kiddy caliber hackers.
Script kiddies then develop apps/loader/method of playing pirated games.
Cheaters then take the combined knowledge and develop cheats for popular games, ruining the online environment.
People keep citing 'renting' consoles as the only method to control this stuff, I would literally sign up for that in a heartbeat and leave every, single other console behind. If they can promise me a cheat free environment, with the caveat that if they do get developed, there will be criminal charges for using them (modifying equipment you dont own) im so for that its not funny, and would never look back, only, ONLY for the anti-cheating..
Books are literally the only exception, and theres specific laws that protect them, but even those laws weren't needed until the printing press. You ARE allowed to make a copy, of any piece of artwork, and as long as you sell it as a copy, its legal.
In fact, some artists make a nice living off reproduction art.
As long as you no longer retain digital or hard copies of the CD, it should be allowed, that falls into one of the many parts of the current licensing models I dont agree with, I believe that the license itself is something that is(should be) owned by the individual, and can(should) be transferable using any legal methods, If i want to trade a Windows XP Pro license i 'own' for a carton of eggs, I should be legally allowed to do so, and the corporations, in this case Microsoft, shouldn't be allowed to sell non transferable licenses, which they are currently in the habit of doing.
I guess in a way I'm for a hybrid model, which is realistically the way its always been done before the digital revolution, you dont totally 'own' the CD, because then you have the rights to copy it and sell the copies, but on the flip side, your license 'travels' with the CD itself, enabling you to resell/give/trade your license away.
Make any sense?
I disagree, I think PC sales have steadily risen, but this statement (and yours) cannot be proven due to lack of data. (Go ask Steam, Impulse, GOG and the rest to release their sales numbers)
I agree, and they should have the right to permanently ban your hardware from accessing their network, including all game, firmware, and dashboard updates, dlc and app stores.
No, not its not. If software wasn't licensed, when you 'Bought it' you could make copy's and sell it legally.
Follow the logic with me, when you own something, you are allowed to do anything with it. That includes making copies(yes, that includes old style media like paintings, you just cant represent them as original when you sell them), you are also allowed to sell anything you own.
See why licensing is not, nonsense, and is absolutely required for a digital society?
Now, with that being said, I would gladly agree that our current licensing terms, agreements ToS's, EULA's etc leave alot to be desired, but to completely dismiss any need for them would make any and all software worthless, and I mean that literally.
Any custom firmware should be grounds for banning the console from ever connecting to the PSN/XBL network.
The second you deviate from their arbitrary stipulations, in this case loading custom firmware, you lose all ability to connect to the network, which should cut you off from:
All DLC
Console Firmware Updates.
Console Dashboard Updates.
All game Updates.
All installable 'apps' like the netflix player.
If you're willing to give up every, and I mean EVERY online enable feature of your hardware, go nuts. You'll find very, very few consumers willing to accept that trade.
No less antagonizing than some ignorant wretch telling me I cant be happy without Jesus, and that they're going to keep harping at me until I accept that.
lusers != Linux Users.