this administration believes itself above law Lay off the kool-aid, dude. At least this administration hasn't had the FBI files of the opposing party "somehow" appear in the White House.
infected large portions of other parts of the government with it's political appointees Gharsh! That's something NO OTHER President/Governor/Mayor has EVER DONE!!
administration is so incompetent that they can't make back-ups of data they're required to Huh? It's the government! Do you really expect gov't to be efficient or do things correctly? Seriously. Private companies don't/cant always back up everything that they're "required" to. If they can't, what makes you think any gov't department can?
And you probably want those same people to manage our health care!
Fascism has nothing to do with ethnic cleansing. Where'd you get that idea from? Nazism, perhaps? Only one implementation of fascism. And the ethnic cleansing there was really only at the hands of one man.
Fascism can be pretty much defined as state control of everything. Everything to the state; everything for the state. Under fascism, no behavior is outside governmental control.
So, again, tell me how federalizing education is NOT fascist*?
Methinks you are the one being absurd.
-john
* You may need to go look up what fascism really is.
But don't forget that Obama has most recently said that he won't pull out of Iraq. He wants to keep a small "strike force" of 10k troops or so in the region to protect US interests and be able to respond if al-qaida make a comeback in Iraq.
And one of his military advisors has said he could forsee a US military presence in Iraq for 100 years. And this is assuming Obama becomes President.
Actually, putting more money into education merely creates yet more overhead, paperwork, and bureaucracy for the schools.
You want to actually increase the amount of money that schools spend on the children? Get rid of ALL federal education programs, and replace it with one program. Then if you want to argue that schools need more money, just increase funding for that one program.
Actually, a better way is to just get the fed out of education completely and let the local gov'ts handle it. Besides the Constitutional issues, don't forget too, that 1/3 of any federal program is lost to waste and bureaucracy.
It's one of the more bigoted, closed-minded views of religion I've read in awhile. At least on slashdot.
For example. Christians argue against abortion. but that has nothing to do with God really. It has everything to do with Muslims not outnumbering Christians because of population control. Thank you for pointing out this indisputable fact. And to think, all this time I thought being opposed to abortion had to do with respect for life. Sheesh. What the hell (heck?) was I thinking.
God is so they can justify what they want. It justifies the suppression of the rights of minorities, It justifies the abuse of women, and children. And this one too. Wow. I mean, without a G/god what rights would ANYONE have? Again, to think I thought that people had unalienable rights endowed by their creator. I like your way better: Your rights are whatever the government says they are at any given time.
Just look at Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, Mao, Guevara, Castro. I mean, just think of how many people they would have killed had they been atheists!
The creator of the universe if he exists wouldn't blink twice at what Humans care about. I had no idea anyone of this Earth had that kind of insight into God's mind. You are a truly astounding individual.
I can not believe someone labeled your post insightful.
because he's advocating seperation and instead of working together,
Curious....what's your opinion of the muslims there calling for their own little societies, completely removed from Dutch culture, with their sharia law replacing Dutch law?
Note that I really don't know much about Wilders, but I am always suspicious of people who say someone "advocates hate" and is against people who aren't white, as that usually is just not true. The same things are said in the US about anyone who thinks illegal immigration is a problem.
I would also like to point out that Hirsi Ali is also "really working hard to make that a reality" (getting herself killed by some crazy Muslim), merely by criticizing Islam. Is she one of those hate filled, white-loving bigots as well?
That is why it was pulled - it was hate. This is quite normal all over the world.
I would just like to point out that in this, as in many other things, the rest of the world is wrong.
It is possible to make a child porn film without hurting a child. If that is an accurate quote and not a typo and without any missed words, you are a truly sick person.
So why is it ok to be offensive to Muslims? Huh? Ever hear of the "Piss on Christ" uh...sculpture? Crucifix in a tank of urine. Statue of the Virgin Mary covered in cow dung? Sign in guest book with a US flag on the floor so that you need to walk on the flag in order to sign the book?
So, to answer you question, because it's OK to be offensive to ANYONE.
Hell, with your logic, we'd need to turn off all comments on slashdot. 99.99% of all comments on slashdot offend someone else on slashdot. Your comments offend me.
The better question that I'd like you to answer is: Why should Muslims be exempt from criticism and offense?
Surprisingly, the contractor was fired and the two workers weren't? I'm not sure why this happened
Basically, once the workers are fired, they must be subpoenaed before they can be questioned. If they're still employed, they are basically dragged into the boss's office and grilled for all the hows and whys. For the investigation, it's much easier for them to still be employed.
And I gotta admit, I love the whole egg-on-Obama's face aspect of this story. He plays the Blame Bush(tm) first game, and then it's revealed that that his adviser is (at least partially) involved in the privacy breech!
it takes readership away from the monetised publishers who previously held sway on the provision of information
And you have just hit the nail squarely on the head.
This Newsweek article is really just a poorly veiled attempt to criticize wikipedia and the entire blogosphere as a bunch of ignorant amateurs, while "We, the Experts" know best about everything, and therefore you should listen to us.
It's an attempt by the old media (Newsweek, NYTimes, Chicago Tribune, CBS, etc) to regain some influence and stature back from the internet "mob."
The same "mob" that shredded (as the most obvious example) CBS "expert" review of Bush's "National Guard documents." Then you have the New Republic Baghdad Diarist Scott Thomas Beauchamp debacle. Even the Weather Channel fits this category (http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2008/20080303175301.aspx).
there are extremists in every religious camp there is, whether Islamic (Al-Qaeda), Christian (Falwell, Limbaugh, Coulter), Buddhist (Aum Shinrikyo), or atheist (Stalin)
Um, yeah.....cause we constantly hear Falwell, Rush, and Coulter telling their "followers" to go out and kill in name of God & Christ. And look at how many millions are killed each year by Ditto-Heads!
Even assuming that those three are "extreme," don't you think there's just a wee bit o' difference between Falwell preaching for Jesus and Bin Laden telling his followers to strap bombs to themselves and kill innocent women and children?
I am certain your answer is no.
Anybody who lumps Falwell, Rush, and Coulter in with a bunch of mass murderers is obviously a bit lacking in rational thought.
When Thomas Jefferson asked a delegate of the Barbary Pirates to stop raiding ships and selling the crews into slavery, he was told that they can not stop doing that. Allah requires it.
Finish this phrase: Those who do not know their history are:
And for god-sakes. Would you read your last line again? We are trying to help establish a democracy in Iraq! Damned if we do; damned if we don't.
-john
(I'm really starting to get pissed at all the blame America first, assholes. Learn some history people. George Bush is not the root of all that is bad in this world. Western civilization is the best thing to ever happen to the world.)
The real point though, is not whether or not these nutcases exist, it's whether they're a real threat. I don't think they are a real threat and we should probably just ignore them.
Didn't 9/11 prove exactly the opposite?
No!!!
It just means that we need to ignore them harder!!
And I'm also sure you'd do the following because they are unconstitutional: -end federal welfare -end Social Security -work to have abortion legality decided by each state -work to have the handgun bans in DC and Chicago overturned -repeal McCain-Feingold "finance reform" -end federal affirmative action programs -dutifully enforce the 10th Amendment
I'm going to go out on a limb here, and guess that you wouldn't do any (or most) of those.
I somehow doubt that "unconstitutional" is the word you're looking for.
My last comment was partial sarcasm, and really directed at the media.
Main point was that the MSM/old media/whatever you want to call them, went out of their way to avoid even mentioning that those guys were Muslims. You had to dig outside of the traditional media sources to find that out.
Were they terror acts? Strictly speaking, yes. Were they parts of terror plots? Apparently, no. They were apparently carried out by individuals sympathetic to Al-Qaida and Islamist extremists.
Go back and read all the coverage of the NC and SF "incidents."
Everyone went out of their way to say those were definately NOT terrorist attacks. Just a couple of isolated incidents by some disturbed individuals. If you can find any articles calling them terrorist attacks I would really be interested in seeing them.
Saying those were terrorist attacks, and even daring to mention that the perpetrators are members of the Religion of Peace(tm) just shows how racist and bigoted you truly are.
Well....pardon & commutation ARE different. Look it up please.
Point: "Leaking" Plame's name was not a crime. Libby was convicted for lying to the special prosecutor. Not for revealing her name to anyone.
To counter your "point": The commuted sentence--no jail time--perfectly fits his crime. Try comparing his original sentence to that of Sandy Berger, who stole original documents from the National Archives, and later supposedly destroyed them. He got off with a slap on the wrist. And he still hasn't even taken his polygraph test like we was ordered to.
Again, Libby did not leak anyone's name. Libby was not convicted for leaking anyone's name. The person who did reveal Plame's name has never even been charged with anything and is sitting comfortably at home in front of his television.
So again, what's your point?
-john
p.s. Libby didn't leak Plame's name. Armitage did. Armitage has not even been charged.
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So tell me, how many days a week do you wear your "Che" t-shirt?
Oh, yeah...right.
Sign me up for THAT job.
When are you from, 1992?
NO ONE* is designing in 2D anymore. Creating isometric and orthogonal views? What a complete waste of time.
-john
* I did interview at one place 6-ish years ago. They were still using autocad. I told them I didn't want to work there.
Rosie?
Is that you?
It's me. Michael.
The "documentary" film maker.
Good to hear from you again.
this administration believes itself above law Lay off the kool-aid, dude. At least this administration hasn't had the FBI files of the opposing party "somehow" appear in the White House.
infected large portions of other parts of the government with it's political appointees
Gharsh! That's something NO OTHER President/Governor/Mayor has EVER DONE!!
administration is so incompetent that they can't make back-ups of data they're required to Huh? It's the government! Do you really expect gov't to be efficient or do things correctly? Seriously. Private companies don't/cant always back up everything that they're "required" to. If they can't, what makes you think any gov't department can?
And you probably want those same people to manage our health care!
Sheesh.
-john
I'm basing "federalizing" on "nationalize early-education" from the article.
And no, it's not necessarily, that much different. Funding vs federal control. By saying "nationalize," it certainly sounds like control by the feds.
Of course since Obama is pretty much lacking in specfics everywhere, who knows what the hell he means?
Meanwhile, I'll just go back to by typical midwestern gun-clinging, xenophobic ways.
-john
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/obama_appeals_to_bigots
You don't know much about fascism, do you?
Fascism has nothing to do with ethnic cleansing. Where'd you get that idea from? Nazism, perhaps? Only one implementation of fascism. And the ethnic cleansing there was really only at the hands of one man.
Fascism can be pretty much defined as state control of everything. Everything to the state; everything for the state. Under fascism, no behavior is outside governmental control.
So, again, tell me how federalizing education is NOT fascist*?
Methinks you are the one being absurd.
-john
* You may need to go look up what fascism really is.
But don't forget that Obama has most recently said that he won't pull out of Iraq. He wants to keep a small "strike force" of 10k troops or so in the region to protect US interests and be able to respond if al-qaida make a comeback in Iraq.
And one of his military advisors has said he could forsee a US military presence in Iraq for 100 years. And this is assuming Obama becomes President.
-john
Actually, putting more money into education merely creates yet more overhead, paperwork, and bureaucracy for the schools.
You want to actually increase the amount of money that schools spend on the children? Get rid of ALL federal education programs, and replace it with one program. Then if you want to argue that schools need more money, just increase funding for that one program.
Actually, a better way is to just get the fed out of education completely and let the local gov'ts handle it. Besides the Constitutional issues, don't forget too, that 1/3 of any federal program is lost to waste and bureaucracy.
-john
It doesn't get much more fascist than this: "nationalize early-education for children under five years"
Obama the totalitarian: Everything controlled by the State. Now he wants to federalize education.
Go ahead and nominate this guy, Democrats. Hand McCain a landslide victory in November.
-john
Oh my Go...er, ah god, rather.
I've never seen a better criticism of religion.*
It's one of the more bigoted, closed-minded views of religion I've read in awhile. At least on slashdot.
For example. Christians argue against abortion. but that has nothing to do with God really. It has everything to do with Muslims not outnumbering Christians because of population control. Thank you for pointing out this indisputable fact. And to think, all this time I thought being opposed to abortion had to do with respect for life. Sheesh. What the hell (heck?) was I thinking.
God is so they can justify what they want. It justifies the suppression of the rights of minorities, It justifies the abuse of women, and children. And this one too. Wow. I mean, without a G/god what rights would ANYONE have? Again, to think I thought that people had unalienable rights endowed by their creator. I like your way better: Your rights are whatever the government says they are at any given time.
Just look at Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, Mao, Guevara, Castro. I mean, just think of how many people they would have killed had they been atheists!
The creator of the universe if he exists wouldn't blink twice at what Humans care about. I had no idea anyone of this Earth had that kind of insight into God's mind. You are a truly astounding individual.
I can not believe someone labeled your post insightful.
-john
* Yes, that is sarcasm.
because he's advocating seperation and instead of working together,
Curious....what's your opinion of the muslims there calling for their own little societies, completely removed from Dutch culture, with their sharia law replacing Dutch law?
Note that I really don't know much about Wilders, but I am always suspicious of people who say someone "advocates hate" and is against people who aren't white, as that usually is just not true. The same things are said in the US about anyone who thinks illegal immigration is a problem.
I would also like to point out that Hirsi Ali is also "really working hard to make that a reality" (getting herself killed by some crazy Muslim), merely by criticizing Islam. Is she one of those hate filled, white-loving bigots as well?
-john
That is why it was pulled - it was hate. This is quite normal all over the world.
I would just like to point out that in this, as in many other things, the rest of the world is wrong.
It is possible to make a child porn film without hurting a child.
If that is an accurate quote and not a typo and without any missed words, you are a truly sick person.
So why is it ok to be offensive to Muslims?
Huh?
Ever hear of the "Piss on Christ" uh...sculpture? Crucifix in a tank of urine. Statue of the Virgin Mary covered in cow dung? Sign in guest book with a US flag on the floor so that you need to walk on the flag in order to sign the book?
So, to answer you question, because it's OK to be offensive to ANYONE.
Hell, with your logic, we'd need to turn off all comments on slashdot. 99.99% of all comments on slashdot offend someone else on slashdot. Your comments offend me.
The better question that I'd like you to answer is: Why should Muslims be exempt from criticism and offense?
-john
Surprisingly, the contractor was fired and the two workers weren't? I'm not sure why this happened
Basically, once the workers are fired, they must be subpoenaed before they can be questioned. If they're still employed, they are basically dragged into the boss's office and grilled for all the hows and whys. For the investigation, it's much easier for them to still be employed.
And I gotta admit, I love the whole egg-on-Obama's face aspect of this story. He plays the Blame Bush(tm) first game, and then it's revealed that that his adviser is (at least partially) involved in the privacy breech!
-john
Agreed!
It's good to see people with an R after their names standing up to the so-called "Fairness Doctrine," preserving our right to free speech!
-john
it takes readership away from the monetised publishers who previously held sway on the provision of information
And you have just hit the nail squarely on the head.
This Newsweek article is really just a poorly veiled attempt to criticize wikipedia and the entire blogosphere as a bunch of ignorant amateurs, while "We, the Experts" know best about everything, and therefore you should listen to us.
It's an attempt by the old media (Newsweek, NYTimes, Chicago Tribune, CBS, etc) to regain some influence and stature back from the internet "mob."
The same "mob" that shredded (as the most obvious example) CBS "expert" review of Bush's "National Guard documents." Then you have the New Republic Baghdad Diarist Scott Thomas Beauchamp debacle. Even the Weather Channel fits this category (http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2008/20080303175301.aspx).
And you have this snort-worthy should-be-classic: http://bp3.blogger.com/_cwUF9NJJBIM/R811ijgSvUI/AAAAAAAABPY/JDnxychGgJg/s1600-h/suncorrex.jpg
Newsweek: "Sure, go ahead and read wikipedia. Just be sure to come back to us for the "truth.""
It all boils down to a bunch of "experts" pushing their own agendas, getting upset that a bunch of "Joe Six-packs" would dare question them.
-john
there are extremists in every religious camp there is, whether Islamic (Al-Qaeda), Christian (Falwell, Limbaugh, Coulter), Buddhist (Aum Shinrikyo), or atheist (Stalin)
Um, yeah.....cause we constantly hear Falwell, Rush, and Coulter telling their "followers" to go out and kill in name of God & Christ. And look at how many millions are killed each year by Ditto-Heads!
Even assuming that those three are "extreme," don't you think there's just a wee bit o' difference between Falwell preaching for Jesus and Bin Laden telling his followers to strap bombs to themselves and kill innocent women and children?
I am certain your answer is no.
Anybody who lumps Falwell, Rush, and Coulter in with a bunch of mass murderers is obviously a bit lacking in rational thought.
-john
It's called Bush Derangement Syndrome.
Without Bush all would be good in the world. Dogs and cats living together, etc.
When Thomas Jefferson asked a delegate of the Barbary Pirates to stop raiding ships and selling the crews into slavery, he was told that they can not stop doing that. Allah requires it.
Finish this phrase:
Those who do not know their history are:
And for god-sakes. Would you read your last line again? We are trying to help establish a democracy in Iraq! Damned if we do; damned if we don't.
-john
(I'm really starting to get pissed at all the blame America first, assholes. Learn some history people. George Bush is not the root of all that is bad in this world. Western civilization is the best thing to ever happen to the world.)
The real point though, is not whether or not these nutcases exist, it's whether they're a real threat. I don't think they are a real threat and we should probably just ignore them.
Didn't 9/11 prove exactly the opposite?
No!!!
It just means that we need to ignore them harder!!
-john
"sounds like some speeches coming out of Washington."
yeah. sounds like something Obama would say. Him and his building His Kingdom here on earth.
-john
I like your #3 there.
And I'm also sure you'd do the following because they are unconstitutional:
-end federal welfare
-end Social Security
-work to have abortion legality decided by each state
-work to have the handgun bans in DC and Chicago overturned
-repeal McCain-Feingold "finance reform"
-end federal affirmative action programs
-dutifully enforce the 10th Amendment
I'm going to go out on a limb here, and guess that you wouldn't do any (or most) of those.
I somehow doubt that "unconstitutional" is the word you're looking for.
-john
My last comment was partial sarcasm, and really directed at the media.
Main point was that the MSM/old media/whatever you want to call them, went out of their way to avoid even mentioning that those guys were Muslims. You had to dig outside of the traditional media sources to find that out.
Were they terror acts? Strictly speaking, yes. Were they parts of terror plots? Apparently, no. They were apparently carried out by individuals sympathetic to Al-Qaida and Islamist extremists.
-john
WHOA!!
Gotta stop you there.
Go back and read all the coverage of the NC and SF "incidents."
Everyone went out of their way to say those were definately NOT terrorist attacks. Just a couple of isolated incidents by some disturbed individuals. If you can find any articles calling them terrorist attacks I would really be interested in seeing them.
Saying those were terrorist attacks, and even daring to mention that the perpetrators are members of the Religion of Peace(tm) just shows how racist and bigoted you truly are.
-john
Oh yeah, that's totally different
Well....pardon & commutation ARE different. Look it up please.
Point: "Leaking" Plame's name was not a crime. Libby was convicted for lying to the special prosecutor. Not for revealing her name to anyone.
To counter your "point": The commuted sentence--no jail time--perfectly fits his crime. Try comparing his original sentence to that of Sandy Berger, who stole original documents from the National Archives, and later supposedly destroyed them. He got off with a slap on the wrist. And he still hasn't even taken his polygraph test like we was ordered to.
Again, Libby did not leak anyone's name. Libby was not convicted for leaking anyone's name. The person who did reveal Plame's name has never even been charged with anything and is sitting comfortably at home in front of his television.
So again, what's your point?
-john
p.s. Libby didn't leak Plame's name. Armitage did. Armitage has not even been charged.
p.p.s. What conspiracy?
Good lord people. Don't any of you pay attention.
a) Scooter Libby didn't leak Plame's name to anyone.
b) Anybody without BDS knows that Richard Armitage "leaked" her name to Novak. I'll even give you a CNN link:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/08/leak.armitage/index.html
Sheesh.
Get clues.
-john
p.s. Oh yeah:
c) Libby wasn't pardoned.