Gosh, trolling whilst tens of innocent people have lost their lives and hundreds more are hospitalised in various states of carnage.
You, sir, have reached a new low.
A new low, eh? Are you implying that this is not the first time you have read my posts? If this is the case, (and if you likewise consider my past posting to have been previously 'new' lows), then it is probable that you will have also noted a common thread of thinking among my posts.
A 'Troll' post, if I understand that much over-used term correctly, is one designed to deliberately ruffle feathers for the sake of ruffling feathers regardless of the actual beliefs of the poster.
Sorry, chum, but my posts happen to reflect my real views and concerns as best as I am able to present them. If they ruffle feathers, then that has more to do with the baggage of the reader than it does with me. --You may not happen to hold the same views I do, but I wouldn't be cowardly enough to call the things you post 'Trolls' if they honestly express your opinions.
And yes, people dying in bomb blasts is a terrible thing. I agree! --But I notice that nobody seems to care very much or get all huffy and Politically Correct on my ass when 95% of those bomb blasts happen to be killing civilians who aren't white.
"Shadow Government" "U.S. population is extremely ignorant" "9-11 was deliberately manufactured"
Why is speaking openly about important issues a 'troll'?
Are we only allowed to talk about things which don't matter?
Sorry, but these subjects are intimately related to the bombings today. If we can only talk about things which have no connection to the bombings, nothing of any importance will be said. If you can't handle that, perhaps it's time for you to get out of the kitchen.
But then, of course, you clearly think I'm talking nonsense. Fine. Please allow me to address this. I'll pick the notion of the Shadow Government because of the three you singled out, it is perhaps the one people find most difficult to accept. ..
If the current U.S. administration were to be wiped out in an attack, who would fill in the empty seats and direct the military? (There is an official answer to that question. Look it up).
Next: Are those people who would step into those seats already directly involved in the current military and system of government? (Answer: Yes. If there was a sudden attack and a new administration had to take over, there is no time to sit around bringing people up to speed; they have to be at speed already, built right into the decision-making processes).
Next: Who voted for those individuals? (Answer: Nobody. The system has its own internal power and decision-making structure and does not pay attention to democratic processes.)
Next: If not through winning votes, how do you get yourself into that system?
Enough. --I find it interesting that the media has invested so much energy into labeling people who ask such questions as, 'crazy conspiracy theorists'. --I find it pathetic that people are so scared to being laughed at that they fall for it.
"Those who have the courage of a lion will not have the fate of a mouse."
I'd say the one who responded to a barbaric terrorist attack with lunatic conspiracy theories is the unthinking one.
Consider: you are suggesting that attempting to form a theory is an inappropriate response to a barbaric attack, and that a knee-jerk emotionally based response IS appropriate.
Seriously. You don't know who planted the bombs and you would rather cry, 'Lunatic', than ask questions. Please be careful! --Because the next step is to jump to conclusions, find the most visible target and pull a trigger. Is this the action of a rational, thinking person who is not easily manipulated?
Why is my theory a, 'lunatic' theory? Please explain, if you can.
Let me spell it out for you... all those heartfelt beliefs you have about Israeli conspiracies, and Jews being warned about 9/11, and it being a CIA plot,etc originate mostly from a small group of mid-east based tabloids (aka - the Cairo dailies).
Uhh. ..
Okay. So either you didn't actually read my last post before responding, or you didn't understand it.
It takes an amazing leap of faith to suppose you know where my 'heartfelt beliefs' come from. But then, this is the heart of the problem. Groundless assumptions.
And if that isn't enough to convince you, here's another tidbit of information. GEORGE BUSH IS PRESIDENT,AND TONY BLAIR IS HIS BITCH
Ah, I see. Yes, thank-you. Your argument is made all the more convincing by this.
I'm sorry, but the best way to deal with this is to throw money and not words at the problem. More police, more cameras, more spies, more bribes. Politicians create legislation because that's in their budgets. Guns, bombs and cloak and dagger make people squeamish. If it is freedom and saftey you value, then you must pay the price for it.
People like you give me the heebie-jeebies. Even your paragraph structure is weirdly wrong.
FL - do you get a discount on bulk purchases of aluminum foil?
As is typical with people who use ridicule, you completely fail to counter the actual point being made, as though the ridicule itself is a valid answer.
Which one is the unthinking reaction-machine?
--The one who asks questions or the one who makes ridiculing jokes?
A zombie believes without question that it is automatically right in its most basic beliefs. By contrast, a person of integrity reaches their beliefs by questioning their beliefs, killing sacred cows, and generally boiling down the data.
1. When a bombing happens, it is reported in mainstream news.
2. When, for instance, a peace talk is scheduled it is also reported in mainstream news.
The fact that 1 has a particular affect on 2 is also not a lie. A 'Cairo Daily' as you put it has exactly zero bearing on the matter.
In other words, rather than read one source to determine what to believe in, people who are truly interested in growing their awareness, have learned the importance of looking at wide fields of data from many sources and then cross-reference that data in order to build their conclusions.
But, as is typical with people who use ridicule, you completely fail to actually counter the actual point being made, as though ridicule itself is a valid answer.
Which of us is the unthinking reaction-machine?
Zombies believe without question that they are automatically right in their most basic beliefs. I, however, reached my beliefs by questioning them. Which of us is more likely to have a clue? The one who asks questions or the one who makes dumb jokes?
Uh, no, actually it's not new at all. Look it up. For about two weeks a few short years ago, it was at the top of public awareness; the big media loosed the fact that unelected officials who are in position of real power behind the scenes are ready to come forward and take control if anything were to happen to the official administration. The problem is that nobody knows who these people are, they have their own massive hidden budgets, black-ops, man-power, and big under-mountain bases to work from and they are by necessity fully integrated into the military and the every-day activities of the current government. And you can't get elected unless you are on-board with them and their ideals. Allow the public to vote down the desires and directives of the old-money elitists? Not likely. The powerful do not let go of power if they do not have to. The Shadow Government has no publicly represented overseers, they are powerful and real and for all intents and purposes, invisible. This is not a joke and it is not a, 'theory'.
I remember when this was news, watching the 'Tonight Show' where one of Jay Leno's jokes during his monologue made reference to the fact that the Shadow Government is the elephant in the living room, and guess what? Instead of laughter, there was nothing but a very uneasy silence from the audience. People don't like to think about this stuff because of what it meant.
But clearly people can also easily forget things like this if they don't want their rhetoric rubbed the wrong way.
Look it up.
And look at your own post. You speak using the very definition of mindless Rhetoric. (Your points conflict with themselves. You even say that it is illogical for Muslims to bomb themselves, and yet you are telling me that Muslims are the ones doing the bombing. Think about this! What does this tell you???)
You're simply re-stating the faulty stories you have heard on the news, and further, you are resorting to cheap ridicule to diminish the things I have said.
That makes one of us less mature, more easily driven by emotional manipulations and thus far more prone to believing in lies. Which of us do you think that is?
A False Flag attack is an ancient and well-understood tactic, and it works really well because the majority of any population can be counted to fall for it every time. --People would rather believe in a comfortable lie which doesn't leave them smudged with guilt rather than look at the facts staring them in the face.
Why was there no proper investigation into 9/11? Why do NONE of the facts line up with the official story? Why was there so much fishy bullshit surrounding the event? (A terrorist passports found sitting on top of the smoking rubble pile?) Why was even the pantomime of an investigation hindered at every step by the Bush administration? Why were there dancing Israeli spies video-taping 9/11? Why, why, why. . ?
The answers are ugly and entirely possible; means, Motive (with a capital 'M') and opportunity all held by the U.S./British/Israeli Shadow Governments. Black-Ops are well funded for a reason! But everybody just bends over backwards to look the other way at over-simple black & white explanations.
The fiction of the 'Middle Eastern Terrorist' is just that.
Everybody who believes in the lie alters the world in a negative way.
Your chronology is out of alignment; 9/11 happened before the Iraq war, not the other way around. Seems like people like you are so intent on bashing America and the Bush administration that their surreptitious alteration of the facts is not below them.
A False Flag attack is an ancient and well-understood tactic, and it works really well because the majority of any population can be counted to fall for it every time. --People would rather believe in a comfortable lie which doesn't leave them smudged with guilt rather than look at the facts staring them in the face.
Why was there no proper investigation into 9/11? Why do NONE of the facts line up with the official story? Why was there so much fishy bullshit surrounding the event? (A terrorist passports found sitting on top of the smoking rubble pile?) Why was even the pantomime of an investigation hindered at every step by the Bush administration? Why were there dancing Israeli spies video-taping 9/11? Why, why, why. . ?
The answers are ugly and entirely possible. Means, motive and opportunity all held by the U.S./British/Israeli Shadow Governments. Black-Ops are well funded for a reason! But everybody just bends over backwards to look the other way at over-simple black & white explanations.
The fiction of the 'Middle Eastern Terrorist' is just that.
Everybody who believes in the lie alters the world in a negative way.
I don't see how terrorism can ever be stopped because it only takes a couple of evil bastards to commit mass murder.
The people might try removing the psychopathic leadership and the black ops agencies from power; the ones who are perpetrating these, so-called terrorist attacks on behalf of the people they want their wars to continue against.
Bombing the West with Terrorist attacks does not make the West want to stop tormenting the Middle East. It makes the West want to continue its wars there, which keeps the tax-cash flowing from the public and into the pockets of the elitists in charge of government and the weapons factories. The U.S./British/Isreali leadership are the ones who stand to gain the most from these sorts of actions, which is why they continue to perpetrate them.
Honestly. It's easy to see. They barely bother to cover their tracks anymore.
Care to back up that request with a reasonable answer to the poster's question first? --Anybody who has been paying attention for the past couple of years to the way bombings seem to always line up in very 'inconvenient' ways with political/media events knows that the poster you are calling retarded is making a very valid point.
There are certain groups within the U.S/British/Israeli power structure with plenty of means and motivation to perform these bombings on behalf of the people they want their various wars to continue against.
If people stop reacting just from their emotional centers and do some real thinking, the picture has a chance of becoming clear.
Americans one-on-one can be great people to be around; Unrealistically optimistic, happy and hard-working.
As a large group, however, for those same reasons, they can be very dangerous and easily manipulated.
Or putting it more accurately, a large demograph of the U.S. population is extremely ignorant, very well-armed, and led by evil men wrapped in flags who know how to manipulate all the emotional triggers built into the public.
Those triggers are. ..
1. Heart-swelling patriotism.
2. The Desire to punish bullies and rescue the under-dog.
3. Bone-deep belief in Greed, Competition and Survival of the Fittest.
Number 1 blinds and deafens people to lies from presidents so that number 2 can be used in a manipulative way. And number 3 is where corruption and torture come from. (Torture is a way of 'feeding' on those less fit, same way jocks terrorize geeks).
9-11 was deliberately manufactured/helped along by the U.S. Shadow Government, and this latest spate of bombings was either IRA, or set up by U.S./British/Israeli black-ops to keep the war fires burning and the people from thinking clearly. When the Fear button is pushed, people stop thinking and questioning and give away their freedoms in return for the perception of safety. Heck, at this point, it's even possible that genuine, un-manipulated jihadists were responsible. But I seriously doubt it. They have too much to lose; they want the invaders gone, not more pissed off. The only group which has anything to gain from this action is the Shadow Government.
Well, since I've not seen anybody yet do it, let's look at what it takes, shall we. . ?
To be a Jedi. ..
1. Follow a path of Serving Others rather than Serving Self. 2. Use force only for defense. 3. Do not allow strong emotions to rule your thoughts and actions. 4. Believe that one's Focus Determines One's Reality. 5. Do not allow attachments into your life. 6. Learn how to manipulate the 'Force'. 7. Learn martial arts with respect to the sword.
There's probably other elements, but that's all I could think of off the top from the films.
My thoughts on those points by number. ..
1. Agree wholeheartedly with the principal. Hard to do in this reality where eating kills and everybody has baggage they're working through.
2. Fits with the first point.
3. Hmm. Sounds like a good idea, but I'm not entirely clear on this. I think love and compassion, and emotion in general are really, really important to explore and understand within yourself. Shutting them off does not allow self knowledge, but rather puts up walls which cause problems.
4. Absolutely. "Your Focus determines your Reality". This is an incredibly powerful function of this reality. This is difficult to understate. This is the easiest route to so-called 'magic' I've ever seen. Anybody can make anything happen, but watch out for anticipation. That and wishful thinking will derail you every time.
5. Yes, but it's a very easy thing to screw up. A blanket law of not being allowed to love makes it easy to follow, but is probably crippling in the long run. In the end, learning how to love without attachment is one of THE big goals in this reality.
6. Energy works rather differently here than it does in the Star Wars universe, but the general idea is there.
7. Why not? How can one expect to master the ephemeral if one cannot master the physical?
Those are just my thoughts. --Plus this last one; I don't think Jedi can be considered a religion in the classic sense, (besides the fact that it's made up), in that religions typically involve (petty) god worship at some point, (that and not asking too many questions). Whereas 'Jedi' seems to be more like the study of spirituality without such limitations; self-exploration and the exploration of reality through the interaction of consciousness and spirit with the universe. Not the same as no fish on Fridays and believing in Roman social engineering/population herding propaganda (the Bible).
So, you're saying those two office towers are still standing in NYC?
No. But I certainly don't buy the official line.
The endless number of fishy details, from the 'terrorists' passport found on top of the rubble by FBI, to the destroying of all forensic evidence, and the endless hampering of a proper investigation into the collapse, to stories about a controlled demolition blast in the basement of the towers the same instant an airplane hit, to the ability of a 'terrorist' pilot who couldn't pass flight school to direct a Boeing into a building from half a state away without making any flight corrections, to stories of FBI higher-ups deliberately ignoring months of warnings about terrorist plans to attack the towers, to ordering interceptor fighter planes to remain grounded for half an hour after people knew there was a problem. . . There's just so much weird and fishy sounding crap coming from an administration which lies obviously and often with no shame at all.
The big picture appears to be one of deliberate manipulation by elements within the U.S. government to fight endless wars for the direct profit of a few men. I do not see how anybody who bothers to honestly seek into these matters will not reach a similar conclusion. There's just far too much one would have to ignore in order to believe in simple 'terrorists'.
I'm not trying to make you feel dumb; we've all been made fools of, but there IS a much larger picture out there than the one Dan Rather is presenting.
Here's a relatively good essay which presents a basic summary, if you're interested.
Yep, Dan Rather is a big time Bush guy. *** shakes heads and walks off ***
Shakes head and walks off? Grow up. The 'battling viewpoints' offered within the tight confines of big news all fall safely within the controlled margins.
If your viewpoint ever opens up, you'll begin to see the big picture. Regardless of any spit and thunder, Mr. Rather still promotes the fiction of 'Terrorists' and the need for Fear.
This was bullshit from the start. Of course it didn't happen. Same way 'Terrorists' are a manufactured threat designed to sell war and unrest to the public. Whoever believed that line was a chump. Plain and simple.
- pesticides will kill all the animals in the world.
Don't be glib. It's not that simple and you know it. Deliberately spraying poisons into the air, ground and water is a dumb idea and anybody who doesn't see this is just scared to look and think.
- fluoridated water will turn us all into brain washed zombies.
You are a prime example. Brain washed zombies can't recognize themselves as such by their very nature. But seriously, it's not so much brain washing as it is shutting down the human pineal gland, which fluoride does nicely. The pineal gland is responsible for producing melatonin, the hormone responsible for unlocking so-called 'psychic' awareness, (a term which has been deliberately smeared and relegated to the New Age dumpster so that all the John Q's automatically obey their Pavlovian conditioning and turn away in shudders rather than think for two seconds. --Not that thinking is made any easier by all the drugs, poisons, television, cell phones and various stupid behavioral traits loaded onto human culture these days.)
- air pollution will make us all choke to death on sulphur and nitrogen oxides.
You obviously don't live in a big city with over a million cars stuttering in traffic every day. I've coughed up black snot after going for short walks in modern 'clean' cities.
- acid rain will kill all lakes and rivers.
There are hundreds of dead lakes up here in Canada thanks to American industry breezing northwards, thank-you very much.
- the human population was growing much faster than crop production so in ten years famines would kill two billion people - the human population is growing uncontrolled, increasing exponentially. We'll have 12 Billion people on earth by 2020 AD and we'll be reduced to feeding on krill, algae and Soylent Green.
Soylent Green was one of the dumbest films I've ever seen. The real issue with population has little to do with simplistic Star Trek scenarios. People who can't separate the real issues from the idiotic ones are likely going to be overwhelmed to the point of shutting everything out. But in my opinion, opting for Blanket Ignorance and Wishful Thinking is just as stupid as movies where the government paints every surface in every city green to make up for deforestation.
And unless you failed to notice, Nixon was a villain, and the current administration of evil clowns is directly linked to his. Bush even tried to hire Kissinger back into service, for goodness sake! But I guess little issues like the war in Iraq are just more bits of nothing which people should stop being bothered by, eh?
Because wasting money is so easy, the only people who control the kind of money it takes to make a movie like this are the people who like money, the ones who get excited over ROI.
I'm not sure what you mean by 'ROI', but I completely disagree with the premise that sharks are necessary in any part of the creative process.
It's easy to make money. Money and resources and possibilities flow easily when you are in touch with your passion and path in life, and they do not need to have anything to do with greed. In fact, greed damages the process.
I have known numerous self-employed artists who make a lot of money without agents and without greed being a factor in their lives. It's not just possible, it results in healthier systems, better work and much happier people.
Greed is a disease and the only reason people see it as a necessary part of our world is that it's all over the place and people seem to believe that unregulated Darwinian processes are somehow automatically good things. (Are terminal cancer cells superior forms of life which should not be fought simply because they are good at winning?)
Just because things happen to work the way they currently do does not mean there is no better way.
The release of the original Star Wars happened back in 1977, about a month before the end of school. There were no such things as previews, and movie marketing was a matter of placing ads in the newspapers, putting up some posters, releasing the film and then letting it simmer in theaters for as long as word of mouth took to spread. And a liberal amount of praying and lip chewing.
Lucas twisted within that rule-set so that a new and effective angle was achieved. He did this: Released Star Wars long enough for some kids to see it during school and talk it up among all the other children. (Schools are the hot-house pressure cookers of 'word of mouth'). Then when the summer holidays began and parents were looking for things to do with their kids, "Star Wars" would come up around the breakfast table.
I don't really know if Lucas planned it that way, but that's how it went down in my family. Regardless, the thing I really like about such a marketing tactic, is that it only works if the film is worth seeing.
The only prejudice I have against Whedon's current approach to twisting within the boxed-rule set has nothing to do with Whedon. It has to do with the sharks.
I hate hearing stories about marketing people speculating on methods of herding the population. Speaking openly about it as though it isn't deliberate manipulation, which it is. I mean, Yuck! A little respect, please. It would be nice if they would at least pretend they're not manipulating people with bullshit about renegades and love for the medium, etc. --Which are both true things in their own degrees! But knowing that there's some money-person at the top of the chain rubbing his/her hands together in soulless glee makes me want to puke. It sullies the fun when money is the prime target. Good stories don't flow from love of money. They flow from love of Story.
Anyone care to try explaining to me what's so great about it, without sounding like you just converted to a cult 2 weeks ago?
I always find questions of this sort fun; they challenge me to examine my own reactions so that I understand them well enough to explain them to others. But what are you asking about exactly?
Are you asking about the series, the promotional campaign, or the film, (which I've not yet seen and so cannot comment on.)?
I defy you to find an elected leader who will exchange the life of one of his/her own soldiers for the lives of the "enemy." Because when it's all over, he/she still has to face that soldier's family.
How about I show you an elected leader who sacrifices many hundreds of his own troops because he is a raving psychopath who lied to start the war in the first place and never had any intentions of it being a "cake-walk" over in "ten weeks", because war is just so damned profitable.
Oops. Pardon me. I can't do that. The example I wanted to point to wasn't actually elected.
This is a pretty amazing subject and I honestly thought everybody knew about it and simply made the choice to zone out regardless. But then again, I guess they don't go to much effort to teach this through the television media, eh? There appears to be a story or two of researchers having their funding cut when they began to come up with boat-rocking results.
Each soul comes into the world with a pre-set life-plan and agenda.
The Matrix tries to scramble the kid as much as possible to prevent that plan from coming to fruition. There are many, many ways that this is done. Technology is one of the vectors through which this attack comes. Televisions and computers are huge time wasters; they offer virtual reward for real time and effort, and they seed messages designed to limit and alter one's perception of reality. --I've seen little kids watching VHS copies of "Sex and the City", read fashion magazines, etc., and grow into their early teens with some seriously messed up ideas which will make adult life far more difficult than it needs to be.
I'd keep kids away from wireless equipment, especially during those years when the brain is still forming. If you love your child, keep him or her away from microwave communications tech or their brains will have a much higher fudge-factor as they develop. (And for those who disagree on that point, yes, I know there isn't enough power in a microwave signal to damage cells through heating effects. It's not that simple, and the way the Telecoms deal with the real ways that the damage is done is to not talk about them at all while lamb-basting the heating and cancer claims.)
-Of course, some people are born here to learn directly from misery and thus deliberately direct themselves towards it. And that's fine, but it doesn't mean you shouldn't attempt to make the playpen clear of alligators while you are still in somewhat charge of what experiences come into your children's lives.
I'd keep computers semi-available, (Dad's laptop), but boring in the lives of kids and would certainly not have a television in the house at all. Television is hypnotic brain-rot filled with 95% lies. Period. A laptop which can play DVD's and selected programs is a better solution, where all the media is deliberately chosen by the participant, and the LCD screen does not have that same metabolism & brain-slowing effect that the cathode ray tube does.
Whatever happens, though, know that the sad/happy part is that you can't stop your kids from exploring the world, and you shouldn't try. If you refuse to have a television in the house, chances are your kid will crave TV and find ways to bridge the embargo. All rules will be broken, and that's just the way it is. But if you make it difficult, and talk openly about the realities, and if you don't mess up your kid by allowing anger and Dark Side stuff into your family, then your kid should have a much better chance of making it. Watching TV over at a friend's house automatically limits the length of time s/he can spend. Yeah, they may be watching pornos, but that's going to happen anyway. The real damage comes from long, repeated exposure. A thousand hours of prime time in your livingroom is going to cause far more damage than watching fifty hours at the neighbors' house.
Provide Love, Encouragement and Protection from the hostile aspects of world, without trying to avert your kids' eyes from what is out there. Don't attempt to, "Keep Them Innocent". Innocence is another word for "Ignorant and Naive". But for goodness sake, don't have a television in your living room, and if they want a computer, make them buy it themselves and explain to them that computers have addictive qualities and that every ounce of effort spent in this world is an investment in oneself. A broad portfolio is important for a well balanced individual.
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You, sir, have reached a new low.
A new low, eh? Are you implying that this is not the first time you have read my posts? If this is the case, (and if you likewise consider my past posting to have been previously 'new' lows), then it is probable that you will have also noted a common thread of thinking among my posts.
A 'Troll' post, if I understand that much over-used term correctly, is one designed to deliberately ruffle feathers for the sake of ruffling feathers regardless of the actual beliefs of the poster.
Sorry, chum, but my posts happen to reflect my real views and concerns as best as I am able to present them. If they ruffle feathers, then that has more to do with the baggage of the reader than it does with me. --You may not happen to hold the same views I do, but I wouldn't be cowardly enough to call the things you post 'Trolls' if they honestly express your opinions.
And yes, people dying in bomb blasts is a terrible thing. I agree! --But I notice that nobody seems to care very much or get all huffy and Politically Correct on my ass when 95% of those bomb blasts happen to be killing civilians who aren't white.
-FL
Why is speaking openly about important issues a 'troll'?
Are we only allowed to talk about things which don't matter?
Sorry, but these subjects are intimately related to the bombings today. If we can only talk about things which have no connection to the bombings, nothing of any importance will be said. If you can't handle that, perhaps it's time for you to get out of the kitchen.
But then, of course, you clearly think I'm talking nonsense. Fine. Please allow me to address this. I'll pick the notion of the Shadow Government because of the three you singled out, it is perhaps the one people find most difficult to accept. .
If the current U.S. administration were to be wiped out in an attack, who would fill in the empty seats and direct the military? (There is an official answer to that question. Look it up).
Next: Are those people who would step into those seats already directly involved in the current military and system of government? (Answer: Yes. If there was a sudden attack and a new administration had to take over, there is no time to sit around bringing people up to speed; they have to be at speed already, built right into the decision-making processes).
Next: Who voted for those individuals? (Answer: Nobody. The system has its own internal power and decision-making structure and does not pay attention to democratic processes.)
Next: If not through winning votes, how do you get yourself into that system?
Enough. --I find it interesting that the media has invested so much energy into labeling people who ask such questions as, 'crazy conspiracy theorists'. --I find it pathetic that people are so scared to being laughed at that they fall for it.
"Those who have the courage of a lion will not have the fate of a mouse."
-FL
Consider: you are suggesting that attempting to form a theory is an inappropriate response to a barbaric attack, and that a knee-jerk emotionally based response IS appropriate.
Seriously. You don't know who planted the bombs and you would rather cry, 'Lunatic', than ask questions. Please be careful! --Because the next step is to jump to conclusions, find the most visible target and pull a trigger. Is this the action of a rational, thinking person who is not easily manipulated?
Why is my theory a, 'lunatic' theory? Please explain, if you can.
-FL
Uhh. .
Okay. So either you didn't actually read my last post before responding, or you didn't understand it.
It takes an amazing leap of faith to suppose you know where my 'heartfelt beliefs' come from. But then, this is the heart of the problem. Groundless assumptions.
-FL
And if that isn't enough to convince you, here's another tidbit of information. GEORGE BUSH IS PRESIDENT,AND TONY BLAIR IS HIS BITCH
Ah, I see. Yes, thank-you. Your argument is made all the more convincing by this.
I'm sorry, but the best way to deal with this is to throw money and not words at the problem. More police, more cameras, more spies, more bribes. Politicians create legislation because that's in their budgets. Guns, bombs and cloak and dagger make people squeamish. If it is freedom and saftey you value, then you must pay the price for it.
People like you give me the heebie-jeebies. Even your paragraph structure is weirdly wrong.
-FL
As is typical with people who use ridicule, you completely fail to counter the actual point being made, as though the ridicule itself is a valid answer.
Which one is the unthinking reaction-machine?
--The one who asks questions or the one who makes ridiculing jokes?
A zombie believes without question that it is automatically right in its most basic beliefs. By contrast, a person of integrity reaches their beliefs by questioning their beliefs, killing sacred cows, and generally boiling down the data.
-FL
1. When a bombing happens, it is reported in mainstream news.
2. When, for instance, a peace talk is scheduled it is also reported in mainstream news.
The fact that 1 has a particular affect on 2 is also not a lie. A 'Cairo Daily' as you put it has exactly zero bearing on the matter.
In other words, rather than read one source to determine what to believe in, people who are truly interested in growing their awareness, have learned the importance of looking at wide fields of data from many sources and then cross-reference that data in order to build their conclusions.
-FL
But, as is typical with people who use ridicule, you completely fail to actually counter the actual point being made, as though ridicule itself is a valid answer.
Which of us is the unthinking reaction-machine?
Zombies believe without question that they are automatically right in their most basic beliefs. I, however, reached my beliefs by questioning them. Which of us is more likely to have a clue? The one who asks questions or the one who makes dumb jokes?
-FL
Uh, no, actually it's not new at all. Look it up. For about two weeks a few short years ago, it was at the top of public awareness; the big media loosed the fact that unelected officials who are in position of real power behind the scenes are ready to come forward and take control if anything were to happen to the official administration. The problem is that nobody knows who these people are, they have their own massive hidden budgets, black-ops, man-power, and big under-mountain bases to work from and they are by necessity fully integrated into the military and the every-day activities of the current government. And you can't get elected unless you are on-board with them and their ideals. Allow the public to vote down the desires and directives of the old-money elitists? Not likely. The powerful do not let go of power if they do not have to. The Shadow Government has no publicly represented overseers, they are powerful and real and for all intents and purposes, invisible. This is not a joke and it is not a, 'theory'.
I remember when this was news, watching the 'Tonight Show' where one of Jay Leno's jokes during his monologue made reference to the fact that the Shadow Government is the elephant in the living room, and guess what? Instead of laughter, there was nothing but a very uneasy silence from the audience. People don't like to think about this stuff because of what it meant.
But clearly people can also easily forget things like this if they don't want their rhetoric rubbed the wrong way.
Look it up.
And look at your own post. You speak using the very definition of mindless Rhetoric. (Your points conflict with themselves. You even say that it is illogical for Muslims to bomb themselves, and yet you are telling me that Muslims are the ones doing the bombing. Think about this! What does this tell you???)
You're simply re-stating the faulty stories you have heard on the news, and further, you are resorting to cheap ridicule to diminish the things I have said.
That makes one of us less mature, more easily driven by emotional manipulations and thus far more prone to believing in lies. Which of us do you think that is?
-FL
Why was there no proper investigation into 9/11? Why do NONE of the facts line up with the official story? Why was there so much fishy bullshit surrounding the event? (A terrorist passports found sitting on top of the smoking rubble pile?) Why was even the pantomime of an investigation hindered at every step by the Bush administration? Why were there dancing Israeli spies video-taping 9/11? Why, why, why. . ?
The answers are ugly and entirely possible; means, Motive (with a capital 'M') and opportunity all held by the U.S./British/Israeli Shadow Governments. Black-Ops are well funded for a reason! But everybody just bends over backwards to look the other way at over-simple black & white explanations.
The fiction of the 'Middle Eastern Terrorist' is just that.
Everybody who believes in the lie alters the world in a negative way.
-FL
A False Flag attack is an ancient and well-understood tactic, and it works really well because the majority of any population can be counted to fall for it every time. --People would rather believe in a comfortable lie which doesn't leave them smudged with guilt rather than look at the facts staring them in the face.
Why was there no proper investigation into 9/11? Why do NONE of the facts line up with the official story? Why was there so much fishy bullshit surrounding the event? (A terrorist passports found sitting on top of the smoking rubble pile?) Why was even the pantomime of an investigation hindered at every step by the Bush administration? Why were there dancing Israeli spies video-taping 9/11? Why, why, why. . ?
The answers are ugly and entirely possible. Means, motive and opportunity all held by the U.S./British/Israeli Shadow Governments. Black-Ops are well funded for a reason! But everybody just bends over backwards to look the other way at over-simple black & white explanations.
The fiction of the 'Middle Eastern Terrorist' is just that.
Everybody who believes in the lie alters the world in a negative way.
-FL
The people might try removing the psychopathic leadership and the black ops agencies from power; the ones who are perpetrating these, so-called terrorist attacks on behalf of the people they want their wars to continue against.
Bombing the West with Terrorist attacks does not make the West want to stop tormenting the Middle East. It makes the West want to continue its wars there, which keeps the tax-cash flowing from the public and into the pockets of the elitists in charge of government and the weapons factories. The U.S./British/Isreali leadership are the ones who stand to gain the most from these sorts of actions, which is why they continue to perpetrate them.
Honestly. It's easy to see. They barely bother to cover their tracks anymore.
-FL
Care to back up that request with a reasonable answer to the poster's question first? --Anybody who has been paying attention for the past couple of years to the way bombings seem to always line up in very 'inconvenient' ways with political/media events knows that the poster you are calling retarded is making a very valid point.
There are certain groups within the U.S/British/Israeli power structure with plenty of means and motivation to perform these bombings on behalf of the people they want their various wars to continue against.
If people stop reacting just from their emotional centers and do some real thinking, the picture has a chance of becoming clear.
-FL
As a large group, however, for those same reasons, they can be very dangerous and easily manipulated.
Or putting it more accurately, a large demograph of the U.S. population is extremely ignorant, very well-armed, and led by evil men wrapped in flags who know how to manipulate all the emotional triggers built into the public.
Those triggers are. .
Number 1 blinds and deafens people to lies from presidents so that number 2 can be used in a manipulative way. And number 3 is where corruption and torture come from. (Torture is a way of 'feeding' on those less fit, same way jocks terrorize geeks).
9-11 was deliberately manufactured/helped along by the U.S. Shadow Government, and this latest spate of bombings was either IRA, or set up by U.S./British/Israeli black-ops to keep the war fires burning and the people from thinking clearly. When the Fear button is pushed, people stop thinking and questioning and give away their freedoms in return for the perception of safety. Heck, at this point, it's even possible that genuine, un-manipulated jihadists were responsible. But I seriously doubt it. They have too much to lose; they want the invaders gone, not more pissed off. The only group which has anything to gain from this action is the Shadow Government.
-FL
To be a Jedi. .
1. Follow a path of Serving Others rather than Serving Self.
2. Use force only for defense.
3. Do not allow strong emotions to rule your thoughts and actions.
4. Believe that one's Focus Determines One's Reality.
5. Do not allow attachments into your life.
6. Learn how to manipulate the 'Force'.
7. Learn martial arts with respect to the sword.
There's probably other elements, but that's all I could think of off the top from the films.
My thoughts on those points by number. .
1. Agree wholeheartedly with the principal. Hard to do in this reality where eating kills and everybody has baggage they're working through.
2. Fits with the first point.
3. Hmm. Sounds like a good idea, but I'm not entirely clear on this. I think love and compassion, and emotion in general are really, really important to explore and understand within yourself. Shutting them off does not allow self knowledge, but rather puts up walls which cause problems.
4. Absolutely. "Your Focus determines your Reality". This is an incredibly powerful function of this reality. This is difficult to understate. This is the easiest route to so-called 'magic' I've ever seen. Anybody can make anything happen, but watch out for anticipation. That and wishful thinking will derail you every time.
5. Yes, but it's a very easy thing to screw up. A blanket law of not being allowed to love makes it easy to follow, but is probably crippling in the long run. In the end, learning how to love without attachment is one of THE big goals in this reality.
6. Energy works rather differently here than it does in the Star Wars universe, but the general idea is there.
7. Why not? How can one expect to master the ephemeral if one cannot master the physical?
Those are just my thoughts. --Plus this last one; I don't think Jedi can be considered a religion in the classic sense, (besides the fact that it's made up), in that religions typically involve (petty) god worship at some point, (that and not asking too many questions). Whereas 'Jedi' seems to be more like the study of spirituality without such limitations; self-exploration and the exploration of reality through the interaction of consciousness and spirit with the universe. Not the same as no fish on Fridays and believing in Roman social engineering/population herding propaganda (the Bible).
-FL
No. But I certainly don't buy the official line.
The endless number of fishy details, from the 'terrorists' passport found on top of the rubble by FBI, to the destroying of all forensic evidence, and the endless hampering of a proper investigation into the collapse, to stories about a controlled demolition blast in the basement of the towers the same instant an airplane hit, to the ability of a 'terrorist' pilot who couldn't pass flight school to direct a Boeing into a building from half a state away without making any flight corrections, to stories of FBI higher-ups deliberately ignoring months of warnings about terrorist plans to attack the towers, to ordering interceptor fighter planes to remain grounded for half an hour after people knew there was a problem. . . There's just so much weird and fishy sounding crap coming from an administration which lies obviously and often with no shame at all.
The big picture appears to be one of deliberate manipulation by elements within the U.S. government to fight endless wars for the direct profit of a few men. I do not see how anybody who bothers to honestly seek into these matters will not reach a similar conclusion. There's just far too much one would have to ignore in order to believe in simple 'terrorists'.
I'm not trying to make you feel dumb; we've all been made fools of, but there IS a much larger picture out there than the one Dan Rather is presenting.
Here's a relatively good essay which presents a basic summary, if you're interested.
-FL
Shakes head and walks off? Grow up. The 'battling viewpoints' offered within the tight confines of big news all fall safely within the controlled margins.
If your viewpoint ever opens up, you'll begin to see the big picture. Regardless of any spit and thunder, Mr. Rather still promotes the fiction of 'Terrorists' and the need for Fear.
-FL
This was bullshit from the start. Of course it didn't happen. Same way 'Terrorists' are a manufactured threat designed to sell war and unrest to the public. Whoever believed that line was a chump. Plain and simple.
- pesticides will kill all the animals in the world.
Don't be glib. It's not that simple and you know it. Deliberately spraying poisons into the air, ground and water is a dumb idea and anybody who doesn't see this is just scared to look and think.
- fluoridated water will turn us all into brain washed zombies.
You are a prime example. Brain washed zombies can't recognize themselves as such by their very nature. But seriously, it's not so much brain washing as it is shutting down the human pineal gland, which fluoride does nicely. The pineal gland is responsible for producing melatonin, the hormone responsible for unlocking so-called 'psychic' awareness, (a term which has been deliberately smeared and relegated to the New Age dumpster so that all the John Q's automatically obey their Pavlovian conditioning and turn away in shudders rather than think for two seconds. --Not that thinking is made any easier by all the drugs, poisons, television, cell phones and various stupid behavioral traits loaded onto human culture these days.)
- air pollution will make us all choke to death on sulphur and nitrogen oxides.
You obviously don't live in a big city with over a million cars stuttering in traffic every day. I've coughed up black snot after going for short walks in modern 'clean' cities.
- acid rain will kill all lakes and rivers.
There are hundreds of dead lakes up here in Canada thanks to American industry breezing northwards, thank-you very much.
- the human population was growing much faster than crop production so in ten years famines would kill two billion people
- the human population is growing uncontrolled, increasing exponentially. We'll have 12 Billion people on earth by 2020 AD and we'll be reduced to feeding on krill, algae and Soylent Green.
Soylent Green was one of the dumbest films I've ever seen. The real issue with population has little to do with simplistic Star Trek scenarios. People who can't separate the real issues from the idiotic ones are likely going to be overwhelmed to the point of shutting everything out. But in my opinion, opting for Blanket Ignorance and Wishful Thinking is just as stupid as movies where the government paints every surface in every city green to make up for deforestation.
And unless you failed to notice, Nixon was a villain, and the current administration of evil clowns is directly linked to his. Bush even tried to hire Kissinger back into service, for goodness sake! But I guess little issues like the war in Iraq are just more bits of nothing which people should stop being bothered by, eh?
Sheesh.
-FL
I'm not sure what you mean by 'ROI', but I completely disagree with the premise that sharks are necessary in any part of the creative process.
It's easy to make money. Money and resources and possibilities flow easily when you are in touch with your passion and path in life, and they do not need to have anything to do with greed. In fact, greed damages the process.
I have known numerous self-employed artists who make a lot of money without agents and without greed being a factor in their lives. It's not just possible, it results in healthier systems, better work and much happier people.
Greed is a disease and the only reason people see it as a necessary part of our world is that it's all over the place and people seem to believe that unregulated Darwinian processes are somehow automatically good things. (Are terminal cancer cells superior forms of life which should not be fought simply because they are good at winning?)
Just because things happen to work the way they currently do does not mean there is no better way.
-FL
Lucas twisted within that rule-set so that a new and effective angle was achieved. He did this: Released Star Wars long enough for some kids to see it during school and talk it up among all the other children. (Schools are the hot-house pressure cookers of 'word of mouth'). Then when the summer holidays began and parents were looking for things to do with their kids, "Star Wars" would come up around the breakfast table.
I don't really know if Lucas planned it that way, but that's how it went down in my family. Regardless, the thing I really like about such a marketing tactic, is that it only works if the film is worth seeing.
The only prejudice I have against Whedon's current approach to twisting within the boxed-rule set has nothing to do with Whedon. It has to do with the sharks.
I hate hearing stories about marketing people speculating on methods of herding the population. Speaking openly about it as though it isn't deliberate manipulation, which it is. I mean, Yuck! A little respect, please. It would be nice if they would at least pretend they're not manipulating people with bullshit about renegades and love for the medium, etc. --Which are both true things in their own degrees! But knowing that there's some money-person at the top of the chain rubbing his/her hands together in soulless glee makes me want to puke. It sullies the fun when money is the prime target. Good stories don't flow from love of money. They flow from love of Story.
-FL
I always find questions of this sort fun; they challenge me to examine my own reactions so that I understand them well enough to explain them to others. But what are you asking about exactly?
Are you asking about the series, the promotional campaign, or the film, (which I've not yet seen and so cannot comment on.)?
-FL
How about I show you an elected leader who sacrifices many hundreds of his own troops because he is a raving psychopath who lied to start the war in the first place and never had any intentions of it being a "cake-walk" over in "ten weeks", because war is just so damned profitable.
Oops. Pardon me. I can't do that. The example I wanted to point to wasn't actually elected.
-FL
Laughter is the cheapest method of denial. What specifically do you have issues with? I can try to explain if you are interested.
-FL
And that made me do a double-take. Where does this come from? Seriously, I'd be interested in reading it.
Hm. I thought everybody knew about how television affects people on a physiological basis.
Basically, the 60 cycles per second flicker of a CRT screen has a measurable (via EEG) hypnotic effect on the viewer.
I did a quick look around for you, and here are a couple of articles which seem to cover the basics. .
Essay with numerous details and references.
And, here.
And a page with some research foot notes here.
This is a pretty amazing subject and I honestly thought everybody knew about it and simply made the choice to zone out regardless. But then again, I guess they don't go to much effort to teach this through the television media, eh? There appears to be a story or two of researchers having their funding cut when they began to come up with boat-rocking results.
-FL
The Matrix tries to scramble the kid as much as possible to prevent that plan from coming to fruition. There are many, many ways that this is done. Technology is one of the vectors through which this attack comes. Televisions and computers are huge time wasters; they offer virtual reward for real time and effort, and they seed messages designed to limit and alter one's perception of reality. --I've seen little kids watching VHS copies of "Sex and the City", read fashion magazines, etc., and grow into their early teens with some seriously messed up ideas which will make adult life far more difficult than it needs to be.
I'd keep kids away from wireless equipment, especially during those years when the brain is still forming. If you love your child, keep him or her away from microwave communications tech or their brains will have a much higher fudge-factor as they develop. (And for those who disagree on that point, yes, I know there isn't enough power in a microwave signal to damage cells through heating effects. It's not that simple, and the way the Telecoms deal with the real ways that the damage is done is to not talk about them at all while lamb-basting the heating and cancer claims.)
-Of course, some people are born here to learn directly from misery and thus deliberately direct themselves towards it. And that's fine, but it doesn't mean you shouldn't attempt to make the playpen clear of alligators while you are still in somewhat charge of what experiences come into your children's lives.
I'd keep computers semi-available, (Dad's laptop), but boring in the lives of kids and would certainly not have a television in the house at all. Television is hypnotic brain-rot filled with 95% lies. Period. A laptop which can play DVD's and selected programs is a better solution, where all the media is deliberately chosen by the participant, and the LCD screen does not have that same metabolism & brain-slowing effect that the cathode ray tube does.
Whatever happens, though, know that the sad/happy part is that you can't stop your kids from exploring the world, and you shouldn't try. If you refuse to have a television in the house, chances are your kid will crave TV and find ways to bridge the embargo. All rules will be broken, and that's just the way it is. But if you make it difficult, and talk openly about the realities, and if you don't mess up your kid by allowing anger and Dark Side stuff into your family, then your kid should have a much better chance of making it. Watching TV over at a friend's house automatically limits the length of time s/he can spend. Yeah, they may be watching pornos, but that's going to happen anyway. The real damage comes from long, repeated exposure. A thousand hours of prime time in your livingroom is going to cause far more damage than watching fifty hours at the neighbors' house.
Provide Love, Encouragement and Protection from the hostile aspects of world, without trying to avert your kids' eyes from what is out there. Don't attempt to, "Keep Them Innocent". Innocence is another word for "Ignorant and Naive". But for goodness sake, don't have a television in your living room, and if they want a computer, make them buy it themselves and explain to them that computers have addictive qualities and that every ounce of effort spent in this world is an investment in oneself. A broad portfolio is important for a well balanced individual.
-FL