Who in their right mind in IT would allow this approval. To require an ancient 13 year old OS for 250,000 is beyond a rip off! I would have gone to a competitor if that is all you can produce.
It is so archaic in this day and age of microization to have something mechanic bottlenecking the whole computer. It just doesn't mix in the 21st century.
For those who have used them will agree with me. It is like light and day and there is no way in hell you could pay me to do things like run several domain VM's on a mid 20th century spinning mechanical disk. No more 15 minute waits to start up and shutdown all 7 vms at the same time.
Not even a 100 disk array can match the IOPS (interrupts and operations per second) that a single ssd can provide. If the price goes down in 5 years from now only walmart specials will have any mechanical disk.
Like tape drive and paper punch cards I am sure it will live someone in a storage oriented server IDF closet or something. But for real work it is SSD all the way.
My Samsung pro has been tested to go over 75 TB before dying and is as fast as 100 hard disks in a raid with IOS for just a few hundred dollars.
This is like arguing the future of punch cards as they do not loose magnetism like a disk can. Only SSD's are truly suited for poorly written video apps like premiere where a single edit adds a TB easily.
So why did you buy an OS which MS published was going EOL in 2008? THey relenquished to 2010 and then 2014.Windows Vista wasn't bad by SP1 and Windows 7 has been out for 5 years.
I hear you it costs money it still works bla bal bla. But for corporations you knew and bought very old software and then whine 5 years later even after this that itis going EOL?!
XP is a security nightmare. Yes SP 2 improved it but like older IE it just is not designed for the modern world compared to modern browsers which include recent IE.
Please where I work we have 25 GPOs attached to each OU just to make our supposedly compatible Windows 7 apps run without breaking. Mostly IE garbage.
You think I can port them to wine?!!
I can powershell and use SCCM for them? The auto repair guy down the street can just run Quickbooks 2009 and his proprietary MS access database add-on which orders parts from some vendor who went out of business in 2008 can run Ubuntu and get it work flawless in wine?
Can Firefox connect to 100% of automobile parts supplier portals? Think they are written for modern standards?
I am sure all those users were running admin with no security software in government and corporations right? This is the just the begining. MS wont patch these forever. That security expert should be fired.
You are negligent if you still use it for a regular non embedded use and call yourself an IT professional.
That isn't helpful, XP is a modern operating system....
Stop right there. No
XP is a modern OS on a trusted network or if online means AOL and MSN on a dialup modem with just port 80, 23, and 133 open for simple apps. Good security means a password that is hard to crack. Nothing else. That is the era for XP.
Not to run on an untrusted network like the internet complete with UPNP open to god knows what.
A modern OS in 2014 needs ALSR, DEP, dual sandboxes, seperation of privileges, protected boot loader, exception handling protection where a crash can';t be used as a vehicle to control what loads in ram next, low rights mode with processes having no rights to the filesystem period!
ASLR scrambles ram so if you do a buffer overflow or a code insertion in you have no clue where the.dll files are to insert you evil malware/rootkit. DEP is only partially enabled, sandbox support is even freaking there for javascript and browsers that use this including Chrome, anyone can put something in MBR/sector 80 which loads the OS, if you know the addresses for the,dlls in XP you can insert code to execute whatever you like whether an admin or not. Chrome in Windows 7 runs in lowrights mode which means any escape from the sandbox can't read the filesystem. IF you can't write to it you can't install malware etc.
That my friend is a modern 2014 OS. XP is not it. Stop defending and modding comments like the parent up folks. It is time to move on and stop being afraid of change because you are used to something. Jeesh
It is hard and costs money to run a center, find bugs, and then fix them. Billions a year MS spends doing just that. IT makes no economic sense for $130 someone paid 13 years ago.
How often have you ever called microsoft at work? It is for the security updates right?
MS should not provide them unless you are willing to pay them. Use Windows 7 otherwise
They were warned for years and years and years to upgrade.
It is their fault. Home users yes I can see a message telling them to upgrade. But corporate IT departments these getting hacked deserve some firings. Accountants included if they were the ones who did not give IT the resources to upgrade. Idiots.
No it is time to move on as running a full security center 24 x7, with hackers, security engineers, software developers, and kernel developers for 13 years costs billions for a silly $130 paid 13 years ago.
If you want security you need to pay for it. 13 years is plenty of time. It is 2014 now and time to move on if you knew about this.
They are out htere because they get support. They get support because they are out there.
If you are into technology you are adversely impacted by XP. Software is not written with the latest standards. Websites can't go html 5 and css 3. Your phone is more fluid and advanced with pretty gradients than your freaking computer because of IE 6 - 8 compatibility. Can't have nice.net 4.5 programs. Hackers, spammers are attacking your machine etc.
Yes it cost money to upgrade. I get that and if it works businesses are resistent to change. But shoot when is it pure negligence to lower your IE settings in the low zone and use unsigned activex controls and versions of Java with +200 security holes so your freaking accountant can save $2,000?
Move on! Use a VM if you really can't live without that app locked tight in a DMZ lan with no internet connection with a virgin tight gpo on it if you must use IE 6
Times change man. It costs billions to have a 24x7 team of security engineers, developers, hackers, and os writters around the clock for that 13 year old OS. MS has a right to not support unless you have big bucks
Since corporations like my own use IE 8 with low rights mode with sandboxing and protected mode turned off so they can run compromised certificates for ancient java I wonder if we will get patched?
This is much scarier as we handle HIPPA and credit card information and can be hacked.
When prompted key Atari figures would not comment and the lead programmer said there is no way we would have done that.
Locals say otherwise.
I was interested and there maybe more gems there (like ET was a gem) like the experimental controller that never hit the market, documents, and other materials. Centipede was found there too. It looks like they just cleared a whole warehouse and dumped it.
The fact that MBAs and CIOs are the ones whining make me always suspicious who of course get quoted in all these articles and probably contribute to them. How convenient this propaganda can now be used and passed around to politicians to increase H1B1 visas as a response.
Sadly many with years of experience now can be as good if not better than the native ones anyway so go cheap.
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Sounds like someone should be fired.
Who in their right mind in IT would allow this approval. To require an ancient 13 year old OS for 250,000 is beyond a rip off! I would have gone to a competitor if that is all you can produce.
It is so archaic in this day and age of microization to have something mechanic bottlenecking the whole computer. It just doesn't mix in the 21st century.
For those who have used them will agree with me. It is like light and day and there is no way in hell you could pay me to do things like run several domain VM's on a mid 20th century spinning mechanical disk. No more 15 minute waits to start up and shutdown all 7 vms at the same time.
Not even a 100 disk array can match the IOPS (interrupts and operations per second) that a single ssd can provide. If the price goes down in 5 years from now only walmart specials will have any mechanical disk.
Like tape drive and paper punch cards I am sure it will live someone in a storage oriented server IDF closet or something. But for real work it is SSD all the way.
Bahahaha
My Samsung pro has been tested to go over 75 TB before dying and is as fast as 100 hard disks in a raid with IOS for just a few hundred dollars.
This is like arguing the future of punch cards as they do not loose magnetism like a disk can. Only SSD's are truly suited for poorly written video apps like premiere where a single edit adds a TB easily.
So why did you buy an OS which MS published was going EOL in 2008? THey relenquished to 2010 and then 2014.Windows Vista wasn't bad by SP1 and Windows 7 has been out for 5 years.
I hear you it costs money it still works bla bal bla. But for corporations you knew and bought very old software and then whine 5 years later even after this that itis going EOL?!
XP is a security nightmare. Yes SP 2 improved it but like older IE it just is not designed for the modern world compared to modern browsers which include recent IE.
Please where I work we have 25 GPOs attached to each OU just to make our supposedly compatible Windows 7 apps run without breaking. Mostly IE garbage.
You think I can port them to wine?!!
I can powershell and use SCCM for them? The auto repair guy down the street can just run Quickbooks 2009 and his proprietary MS access database add-on which orders parts from some vendor who went out of business in 2008 can run Ubuntu and get it work flawless in wine?
Can Firefox connect to 100% of automobile parts supplier portals? Think they are written for modern standards?
7 has been out for 5 years.
Get over it. Apple will cut you lose in 2.5.
Yep perfectly safe indeed.
I am sure all those users were running admin with no security software in government and corporations right? This is the just the begining. MS wont patch these forever. That security expert should be fired.
You are negligent if you still use it for a regular non embedded use and call yourself an IT professional.
That isn't helpful, XP is a modern operating system. ...
Stop right there. No
XP is a modern OS on a trusted network or if online means AOL and MSN on a dialup modem with just port 80, 23, and 133 open for simple apps. Good security means a password that is hard to crack. Nothing else. That is the era for XP.
Not to run on an untrusted network like the internet complete with UPNP open to god knows what.
A modern OS in 2014 needs ALSR, DEP, dual sandboxes, seperation of privileges, protected boot loader, exception handling protection where a crash can';t be used as a vehicle to control what loads in ram next, low rights mode with processes having no rights to the filesystem period!
ASLR scrambles ram so if you do a buffer overflow or a code insertion in you have no clue where the .dll files are to insert you evil malware/rootkit. DEP is only partially enabled, sandbox support is even freaking there for javascript and browsers that use this including Chrome, anyone can put something in MBR /sector 80 which loads the OS, if you know the addresses for the ,dlls in XP you can insert code to execute whatever you like whether an admin or not. Chrome in Windows 7 runs in lowrights mode which means any escape from the sandbox can't read the filesystem. IF you can't write to it you can't install malware etc.
That my friend is a modern 2014 OS. XP is not it. Stop defending and modding comments like the parent up folks. It is time to move on and stop being afraid of change because you are used to something. Jeesh
Oh please it is.
It is hard and costs money to run a center, find bugs, and then fix them. Billions a year MS spends doing just that. IT makes no economic sense for $130 someone paid 13 years ago.
How often have you ever called microsoft at work? It is for the security updates right?
MS should not provide them unless you are willing to pay them. Use Windows 7 otherwise
XP
MS should fix IE for Windows Vista and higher. There are repurcussions for not following manufacture guidelines. MS was more than fair with XP
They were warned for years and years and years to upgrade.
It is their fault. Home users yes I can see a message telling them to upgrade. But corporate IT departments these getting hacked deserve some firings. Accountants included if they were the ones who did not give IT the resources to upgrade. Idiots.
No it is time to move on as running a full security center 24 x7, with hackers, security engineers, software developers, and kernel developers for 13 years costs billions for a silly $130 paid 13 years ago.
If you want security you need to pay for it. 13 years is plenty of time. It is 2014 now and time to move on if you knew about this.
STOP ENABLING them.
They are out htere because they get support. They get support because they are out there.
If you are into technology you are adversely impacted by XP. Software is not written with the latest standards. Websites can't go html 5 and css 3. Your phone is more fluid and advanced with pretty gradients than your freaking computer because of IE 6 - 8 compatibility. Can't have nice .net 4.5 programs. Hackers, spammers are attacking your machine etc.
Yes it cost money to upgrade. I get that and if it works businesses are resistent to change. But shoot when is it pure negligence to lower your IE settings in the low zone and use unsigned activex controls and versions of Java with +200 security holes so your freaking accountant can save $2,000?
Move on! Use a VM if you really can't live without that app locked tight in a DMZ lan with no internet connection with a virgin tight gpo on it if you must use IE 6
Yep keep staying on XP.
Times change man. It costs billions to have a 24x7 team of security engineers, developers, hackers, and os writters around the clock for that 13 year old OS. MS has a right to not support unless you have big bucks
Yep perfectly safe.
Especially since all these customers had big IT departments, firewalls, and corporate security software installed.
Yeah and I may not be a geography whiz but I doubt the bay of Bengal is off Australia
This was from a Windows 7 system
Nope.
IE 8 no longer is supported either
I did a re-image of a computer and saw this
Since corporations like my own use IE 8 with low rights mode with sandboxing and protected mode turned off so they can run compromised certificates for ancient java I wonder if we will get patched?
This is much scarier as we handle HIPPA and credit card information and can be hacked.
...waiting desperately for the most boring piece of sappy ass garbage to end so I could go home.
And that day in 1982, a 10 year old boy became jaded and cynical.
It was truly a "Drink your Ovaltine" moment.
And then you had to watch Star Wars Episode 1 with Jar Jar and racing graphical effects in an unrealistic plot.
Atari denied it.
When prompted key Atari figures would not comment and the lead programmer said there is no way we would have done that.
Locals say otherwise.
I was interested and there maybe more gems there (like ET was a gem) like the experimental controller that never hit the market, documents, and other materials. Centipede was found there too. It looks like they just cleared a whole warehouse and dumped it.
So yes this qualifies as an urban legend.
Wasn't the sun crusher the ship that discovered the empire and the sith and started the first emperial invasion?
Yeah that darth mouse is a scary one.
Oh please
THe new driods are cute even if 3cpo doesn't like em!
That can't be true.
According to HR pc techs need calculus skills as we do differential equations all day and work in polynomial time when working with tickets.
You can. In India.
The fact that MBAs and CIOs are the ones whining make me always suspicious who of course get quoted in all these articles and probably contribute to them. How convenient this propaganda can now be used and passed around to politicians to increase H1B1 visas as a response.
Sadly many with years of experience now can be as good if not better than the native ones anyway so go cheap.