Only IE and Chrome has lowrights by default. This means it can't even access your freaking filesystem, view threads/processes, or do anything outside of %appdata. This is one of the reasons why anything above IE 8 is Windows 7 only. Not because mean old MS decided it is time to upgrade but because security on XP sucks goatballs.
IE is more secure than Firefox and has less exploits if you compare the last few years since it supported process by tab, kernel level sandboxing, and now lowrights. It is not impossible to 0wn IE, but it sure aint easy these days as you can't attach malicious code in admin level threads if you can't see them, can't write anything to the disk, and you are stuck in one tiny process for the tab with no access to whatever else IE is doing.
True some GDI code might use trident for placements but IE 8 and later have lowrights privledge by default. IE has no access to the file system, system processes or threads, or anything outside %appdata in the users profile.... however in XP this is not enabled by default due to its ancient 2001 era kernel not recognizing what a sandbox is or anything besides admin and a limited user. Another reason you should be convincing ignorant XP users to upgrade as it frankly is unsafe today.
Firefox lacks this still making it less secure than IE.
Firefox users keep getting infected in my experiecne while those on modern IE and Chrome are fine due to this extra sandboxing.
One of the weaknesses of Linux is you can't have more than one library with dynamic linking for.so objects like you can with.dlls starting with Windows 7 and later.
This means gnome2 users and Mate users will be fucked as you can't have GTK2 and GTK3 on the same system. Since CentOS comes with gnome 2 by default it means Firefox can not be made to work with it until they downgrade to GTK2.
My 2010 era machine runs it fine with 8 gigs. Some folks have really old machines as the corps now look at IT as an expense rather than an asset and tax write off.
No one besides a secretary should have an XP machine with 2 gigs of ram in 2014. You throw productivity away otherwise.
What I really want to type is Java is dying and a security nightmare, but sadly this ancient relic like IE 6 and Cobol won't die fast enough. I hate having apps requiring one version that conflict and constantly infects the same systems over and over again due to the +100 security holes!! I have read many posters switching to c++ for these reasons
Like SCO you hurt the Foss by using Oracle products.
You are disabling a good amount of quite useful features there.
Yeah it doesn't suck like 8 as you need to disable things to get to run like 7, with vista as long as you also disable features also?!
The thing is MS did no redesigns at all with instant search indexing or when the gpu is busy have the hourglass circle go round or fix the network connection speed and active directory replication issues.
Vista while tuned a little is still very defective and a terrible OS.
We do not get the profits. A half dozen people do. So if we need to eat, heat our homes, or buy anything not made locally you will all pay more to someone else. OUr wages half already fallen from cheap overseas labor and now the energy will be taken too which is the reason.
Windows Vista is not that bad. It just needed a couple years of bug fixes. Microsoft did the smart thing by release a new version of windows with cosmetic changes, and a new name, once the bug fixes were in place.
I think Microsoft is using Windows 8 to force the Windows Phone UI down everyone's throat. Eventually, they will give up.
That lie keeps being spread and is somehow truth.
My 2007 era AMD turion from the Vista era disagrees. Vista is ssssllooooowww and takes several minutes to boot even on a fresh install. It swaps constantly and has 2 gigs of ram. Windows 7 on this ancient machine and it runs fine. Yes that is with the latest service packs too. The indexing service takes 20 minutes to build. Windows 7 a few seconds! network SUCKS. It is unusable in a moderate business environment.
True an i7 with 4 gigs of ram and a ssd will probably run it ok but these are Windows 7/8 era machines.
Chances are this will be from the folks who have no migration path from the software they're using, and they're unwilling to drop it because it "does what it needs to do." We're in a rather interesting era for software, for businesses XP does just fine. The software works, and does it well. So unless your machines have internet access, you're probably going to hold off as long as you can.
On the consumer side, we don't have any big software pushing development. For gaming it's the same deal. And now with Microsoft not sure what it's doing with DirectX, other API's are looking more attractive to developers. OGL and Mantle chiefly, so could this be the beginning of the end of MS desktop dominance? Very possibly. If say Mantle catches on, it could be the deathknell for it. Since it works on AMD and Nvidia cards, it works on any OS since it's handled by the drivers.
Not a chance.
In the past the MBA's at software companies targeted the latest technologies as consumers would rush in to upgrade to take advantage of things like 32 bit. They used to value IT and programmers more who liked more modern stuff. Consumers needed to keep upgrading to not remain behind. Users made other users upgrade. The MBA's wanted to show off they used Word 2000! Great now you need Word 2000 too if you want to read their.doc files etc.
Now since IE 6 and XP kick in and it is full reverse.
The MBA's do not want to target later things as users who do not have x wont buy them. Users with X see no reason to upgrade or leave their crappy browsers as everyone caters to them and puts the hidden costs and technical debt unto themselves so why not? Users make users stay behind (suppliers forcing vendors to use IE 6 because they also use IE 6 etc). If MS changes a file format or OS to be incompatible MBA's make sure everyone else downgrades etc.
So Mantle? Sure they can add a patch I guess. Force it and DirectX 12 with Windows 9? Yeah hey boss LETS TELL 90% of our users to go SCREW THEMSELVES since we want shiny directX 12 and not want to support XP/7? Ain't happening as the shift is about supporting the user. Not the user supporting the tech as in the past.
The executives would not be so willing to make this only under the deal that oil exports are lifted? I do not know what the tax is in China but it is alot more money there
You lose the advantage of having the environmental impact of a single pipeline that is easy to monitor and the safest relative way to transport oil. Your instead replacing it with shipping through another pipeline to a port where it will be placed on ships and sent overseas. The most likely place to ship it to is China and you can rest assured they won't be worrying about environmental impact reports.
You fundamentally misunderstand: The refined petroleum products are going to China anyways. The only question is whether it gets shipped through the USA and put onto boats in the Gulf of Mexico, or if Canada has to build a pipeline across their own country and ship it from their own coast.
A Senator asked the President of TransCanada (the company in charge of Keystone XL) if he would require his clients to keep all the refined products in the USA and was unequivocally told no. http://boldnebraska.org/markey-exports
Previously, then-Representative Markey challenged TransCanada on this question at a hearing of the House Energy and Commerce Committee on December 2, 2011. There he asked Alexander Pourbaix, TransCanada's President of Energy and Oil Pipelines, whether he would commit to including a requirement in TransCanada's long-term contracts with Gulf Coast refineries, as a condition of shipping, that all refined fuels produced from oil transported through the Keystone XL pipeline be sold in the United States. In response, Mr. Pourbaix stated "no, I can't do that."
Even worse for the USA, Keystone will act like a giant straw to siphon out oil from the mid-west, causing their local prices to rise. The biggest joke is that Keystone XL creates ~35 full time jobs once it is done Keystone XL is not a winner for the United States, unless you own a oil refinery.
Why is he marked a troll? Seriously this is not left wing radical propaganda.
He has actual sources from the energy industry who are clear that this oil is for China and they hope to add American oil to it as well. Not for us. FYI when supply is limited you can bet you get a correlation of price increases. That is economics 101 and why they want to get this passed and regulations for exporting removed prior to signing the agreement.
While you think you are proud to stand up for a company that wants your money from you and your family have you thought about why the debate of exporting oil is up at the exact same time as the pipeline?
Also the pipeline is at a port and not a refinery?! Hmm
Maybe just maybe the point of this is to raise gas prices to $7.00 a gallon as you and your family now have to compete agaisn't Chinese who are willing to pay $9.00 a gallon?
This will be a disaster and do the opposite of lowering prices.
Easy the pipleline is a way to triple our gas prices or at least move them closer to $7.00 a gallon as petro companies can sell it to China for $9.00 a gallon instead of selling it to Canadians and Americans for $3.50 a gallon. Right now we just do not have the capacity to move oil in one big central location to the scale that the oil pipeline does.
With the pipleline and the oil company's lobbyists for unregulated crude exporting we are screwed. Add to that the fact that most westerns live on the east or west coast while our food is produced in the middle in Mexico, USA, and Canada and we now have hyperinflation overnight as the price of milk, eggs, and even your starbucks coffee doubles!
Funny that the pipleline seems to go to a port. You think the gas companies are going to ship it to Galveston right near the port of houston just to sell the gas back to us for $3.50 a gallon or sell it to China for $9.00 a gallon?
Hmm which decision do you think it will come too.
Expect an end to cheap fuel prices and another recession in the midst with hyperinflation. After all most of us westerns live on the east or west coasts while our food is produced in the center. The cost of getting your starbucks coffee has just doubled.
Here is a hint. If you are on Windows Vista or later hit the Windows key and type?
Viola! Even your documents are indexed based on content. I never use the start menu anymore unless I am trying to find something like a help file. Only issue with the instant search on my Windows 7 box is it indexes my email so I get spammed with that. I disabled Outlook from being indexed through the control panel.
Other than that you could not pay me to go back to the nasty search of XP.
I smirk and giggle when I see XP users all pissed off and furious at MS in slashdot of all places which *historically* gets excited about change and new things. I think in my eyes it proves people will resist change no matter what as there is no reason to actually go out of the way and install XP on a new i7 after spending 2 weeks running hacks and reversed engineered drivers to get it to boot?! It is because they like the pretty blue taskbar and green hills and being in a familiar environment.... do not tell me it is because of old software. Most non enterprises do not have that problem but I knew a few will chime in with Corel CdCreater or something in a reply but that is not anywhere near the 20% who still run it and fear leaving.
Also what I do not understand (FYI for the record I do not run Windows 8) why metro is all ewww where is my start menu!! But the same users are perfectly fine running an android phone?
That doesn't make any sense other than inertia of muscle memory where your brain assumes it MUST have a start menu if it sits on a desk. Unless someone else can explain it to me?
I also question how people buy new cars and not freak out if the radio is the same too? I do not understand human behavior.
They didn't want a Windows 8 disater so they made the UI as desktop one complete with a non touch friendly start button.
The Office team sabotaged it too by making sure the fonts were not LCD friendly for freaking 7 years. They didn't like the tablet.
The infighting at MS was INSANE during Balmers tenure. Now it is starting to change but out of necessity as the fruity company they laughed at and left for dead is more powerful.
If I wrote that last sentence in 1999 I would be laughed at and modded down as a -1 troll for being an Apple fanboy. Yeah like Apple is ever going to be a billion dollar company HA etc. But Apple made both while MS assumed everything would have to be the same as people who buy their software due so because they are familiar with them. Not because they are better to non technical people like those who make purchasing decisions.
NoSQL has a great future. The article posted with true ACID will be a blessing.
Here is the problem with a crappy ultra expensive solution from Oracle or Microsoft. It can't scale and prices go up on an expontential basis if you try to make it do so. Zdnet a few years ago put in a price tag for running youtube.com on Oracle's database instead of Google's NoSQL solution. The price tag was almost $8,000,000,000!!
NoSQL does not mean no sql. It means not only sql. For quick webscale performance you need low latency in the milliseconds. SQL is not designed for this. Joins slow things incredible and so do threads with blocking I/O which is the appeal of node.js and ngix that use event driven technologies.
It is nice when you have small data and an employer who already has a license but outside of this for a startup traditional relational databases can't cut it for big data on a shoe string budget.
yeah like 99% of the rest of the internet users, regardless of having a boss who only cares what the SEO ranking by week is when doing performance evaluations.
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Only IE and Chrome has lowrights by default. This means it can't even access your freaking filesystem, view threads/processes, or do anything outside of %appdata. This is one of the reasons why anything above IE 8 is Windows 7 only. Not because mean old MS decided it is time to upgrade but because security on XP sucks goatballs.
IE is more secure than Firefox and has less exploits if you compare the last few years since it supported process by tab, kernel level sandboxing, and now lowrights. It is not impossible to 0wn IE, but it sure aint easy these days as you can't attach malicious code in admin level threads if you can't see them, can't write anything to the disk, and you are stuck in one tiny process for the tab with no access to whatever else IE is doing.
A lot has changed since 2001.
Not since IE 6.
True some GDI code might use trident for placements but IE 8 and later have lowrights privledge by default. IE has no access to the file system, system processes or threads, or anything outside %appdata in the users profile. ... however in XP this is not enabled by default due to its ancient 2001 era kernel not recognizing what a sandbox is or anything besides admin and a limited user. Another reason you should be convincing ignorant XP users to upgrade as it frankly is unsafe today.
Firefox lacks this still making it less secure than IE.
Firefox users keep getting infected in my experiecne while those on modern IE and Chrome are fine due to this extra sandboxing.
IE8 is 5 years old.
The fact that people wont upgrade is maddening to any web developer.
Ain't gonna happen.
One of the weaknesses of Linux is you can't have more than one library with dynamic linking for .so objects like you can with .dlls starting with Windows 7 and later.
This means gnome2 users and Mate users will be fucked as you can't have GTK2 and GTK3 on the same system. Since CentOS comes with gnome 2 by default it means Firefox can not be made to work with it until they downgrade to GTK2.
Chrome uses almost 300% more ram than FF or IE 11 on my system when I have +40 tabs opened.
Tomshardware.com did some benchmarks that can confirm this. It even hit slashdot that FF 13 used the least amount of ram a year and a half ago.
FF 4.0 != FF 25 and later and a lot has changed since 2011. I am tempted to switch back to Firefox as it is so light and quick now.
I don't use social media so could care less about bloatware.
I just want FF's memory leak to be fixed instead of the devs ignoring it version after version, year after year.
Chrome's "Task Manager" that shows per tab it's Name, Memory, CPU Usage, Network Traffic and FPS still lacks any counter part in FF.
Chrome uses more ram than any other browser according to benchmarks. FF the least. A lot has changed since 2011.
My 2010 era machine runs it fine with 8 gigs. Some folks have really old machines as the corps now look at IT as an expense rather than an asset and tax write off.
No one besides a secretary should have an XP machine with 2 gigs of ram in 2014. You throw productivity away otherwise.
It's made by Oracle. Enough said
What I really want to type is Java is dying and a security nightmare, but sadly this ancient relic like IE 6 and Cobol won't die fast enough. I hate having apps requiring one version that conflict and constantly infects the same systems over and over again due to the +100 security holes!! I have read many posters switching to c++ for these reasons
Like SCO you hurt the Foss by using Oracle products.
You are disabling a good amount of quite useful features there.
Yeah it doesn't suck like 8 as you need to disable things to get to run like 7, with vista as long as you also disable features also?!
The thing is MS did no redesigns at all with instant search indexing or when the gpu is busy have the hourglass circle go round or fix the network connection speed and active directory replication issues.
Vista while tuned a little is still very defective and a terrible OS.
We do not get the profits. A half dozen people do. So if we need to eat, heat our homes, or buy anything not made locally you will all pay more to someone else. OUr wages half already fallen from cheap overseas labor and now the energy will be taken too which is the reason.
Windows Vista is not that bad. It just needed a couple years of bug fixes. Microsoft did the smart thing by release a new version of windows with cosmetic changes, and a new name, once the bug fixes were in place.
I think Microsoft is using Windows 8 to force the Windows Phone UI down everyone's throat. Eventually, they will give up.
That lie keeps being spread and is somehow truth.
My 2007 era AMD turion from the Vista era disagrees. Vista is ssssllooooowww and takes several minutes to boot even on a fresh install. It swaps constantly and has 2 gigs of ram. Windows 7 on this ancient machine and it runs fine. Yes that is with the latest service packs too. The indexing service takes 20 minutes to build. Windows 7 a few seconds! network SUCKS. It is unusable in a moderate business environment.
True an i7 with 4 gigs of ram and a ssd will probably run it ok but these are Windows 7/8 era machines.
Chances are this will be from the folks who have no migration path from the software they're using, and they're unwilling to drop it because it "does what it needs to do." We're in a rather interesting era for software, for businesses XP does just fine. The software works, and does it well. So unless your machines have internet access, you're probably going to hold off as long as you can.
On the consumer side, we don't have any big software pushing development. For gaming it's the same deal. And now with Microsoft not sure what it's doing with DirectX, other API's are looking more attractive to developers. OGL and Mantle chiefly, so could this be the beginning of the end of MS desktop dominance? Very possibly. If say Mantle catches on, it could be the deathknell for it. Since it works on AMD and Nvidia cards, it works on any OS since it's handled by the drivers.
Not a chance.
In the past the MBA's at software companies targeted the latest technologies as consumers would rush in to upgrade to take advantage of things like 32 bit. They used to value IT and programmers more who liked more modern stuff. Consumers needed to keep upgrading to not remain behind. Users made other users upgrade. The MBA's wanted to show off they used Word 2000! Great now you need Word 2000 too if you want to read their .doc files etc.
Now since IE 6 and XP kick in and it is full reverse.
The MBA's do not want to target later things as users who do not have x wont buy them. Users with X see no reason to upgrade or leave their crappy browsers as everyone caters to them and puts the hidden costs and technical debt unto themselves so why not? Users make users stay behind (suppliers forcing vendors to use IE 6 because they also use IE 6 etc). If MS changes a file format or OS to be incompatible MBA's make sure everyone else downgrades etc.
So Mantle? Sure they can add a patch I guess. Force it and DirectX 12 with Windows 9? Yeah hey boss LETS TELL 90% of our users to go SCREW THEMSELVES since we want shiny directX 12 and not want to support XP/7? Ain't happening as the shift is about supporting the user. Not the user supporting the tech as in the past.
Have the numbers on this?
The executives would not be so willing to make this only under the deal that oil exports are lifted? I do not know what the tax is in China but it is alot more money there
You lose the advantage of having the environmental impact of a single pipeline that is easy to monitor and the safest relative way to transport oil. Your instead replacing it with shipping through another pipeline to a port where it will be placed on ships and sent overseas. The most likely place to ship it to is China and you can rest assured they won't be worrying about environmental impact reports.
You fundamentally misunderstand: The refined petroleum products are going to China anyways.
The only question is whether it gets shipped through the USA and put onto boats in the Gulf of Mexico,
or if Canada has to build a pipeline across their own country and ship it from their own coast.
A Senator asked the President of TransCanada (the company in charge of Keystone XL) if he would require his clients to keep all the refined products in the USA and was unequivocally told no.
http://boldnebraska.org/markey-exports
Previously, then-Representative Markey challenged TransCanada on this question at a hearing of the House Energy and Commerce Committee on December 2, 2011. There he asked Alexander Pourbaix, TransCanada's President of Energy and Oil Pipelines, whether he would commit to including a requirement in TransCanada's long-term contracts with Gulf Coast refineries, as a condition of shipping, that all refined fuels produced from oil transported through the Keystone XL pipeline be sold in the United States. In response, Mr. Pourbaix stated "no, I can't do that."
Even worse for the USA, Keystone will act like a giant straw to siphon out oil from the mid-west, causing their local prices to rise.
The biggest joke is that Keystone XL creates ~35 full time jobs once it is done
Keystone XL is not a winner for the United States, unless you own a oil refinery.
Why is he marked a troll? Seriously this is not left wing radical propaganda.
He has actual sources from the energy industry who are clear that this oil is for China and they hope to add American oil to it as well. Not for us. FYI when supply is limited you can bet you get a correlation of price increases. That is economics 101 and why they want to get this passed and regulations for exporting removed prior to signing the agreement.
While you think you are proud to stand up for a company that wants your money from you and your family have you thought about why the debate of exporting oil is up at the exact same time as the pipeline?
Also the pipeline is at a port and not a refinery?! Hmm
Maybe just maybe the point of this is to raise gas prices to $7.00 a gallon as you and your family now have to compete agaisn't Chinese who are willing to pay $9.00 a gallon?
This will be a disaster and do the opposite of lowering prices.
Not because of environmental liabilities or because I hate greedy oil companies.
But because it is a ploy to export our oil to where they can get 300% more profits than in the US.
Oddly, this gem of unregulating oil exports is also hotly contested political item which is mysteriously being debated at the exact same time as this. Now why is that?
Easy the pipleline is a way to triple our gas prices or at least move them closer to $7.00 a gallon as petro companies can sell it to China for $9.00 a gallon instead of selling it to Canadians and Americans for $3.50 a gallon. Right now we just do not have the capacity to move oil in one big central location to the scale that the oil pipeline does.
With the pipleline and the oil company's lobbyists for unregulated crude exporting we are screwed. Add to that the fact that most westerns live on the east or west coast while our food is produced in the middle in Mexico, USA, and Canada and we now have hyperinflation overnight as the price of milk, eggs, and even your starbucks coffee doubles!
Funny that the pipleline seems to go to a port. You think the gas companies are going to ship it to Galveston right near the port of houston just to sell the gas back to us for $3.50 a gallon or sell it to China for $9.00 a gallon?
Hmm which decision do you think it will come too.
Expect an end to cheap fuel prices and another recession in the midst with hyperinflation. After all most of us westerns live on the east or west coasts while our food is produced in the center. The cost of getting your starbucks coffee has just doubled.
Here is a hint. If you are on Windows Vista or later hit the Windows key and type?
Viola! Even your documents are indexed based on content. I never use the start menu anymore unless I am trying to find something like a help file. Only issue with the instant search on my Windows 7 box is it indexes my email so I get spammed with that. I disabled Outlook from being indexed through the control panel.
Other than that you could not pay me to go back to the nasty search of XP.
How great for you. You admitted it does not work except in a limited netbook like sense for 1 task.
I do more and do not like where linux is going. So in 2011 I switched to Windows 7 and never looked back ... until Windows 8 :-(
I smirk and giggle when I see XP users all pissed off and furious at MS in slashdot of all places which *historically* gets excited about change and new things. I think in my eyes it proves people will resist change no matter what as there is no reason to actually go out of the way and install XP on a new i7 after spending 2 weeks running hacks and reversed engineered drivers to get it to boot?! It is because they like the pretty blue taskbar and green hills and being in a familiar environment. ... do not tell me it is because of old software. Most non enterprises do not have that problem but I knew a few will chime in with Corel CdCreater or something in a reply but that is not anywhere near the 20% who still run it and fear leaving.
Also what I do not understand (FYI for the record I do not run Windows 8) why metro is all ewww where is my start menu!! But the same users are perfectly fine running an android phone?
That doesn't make any sense other than inertia of muscle memory where your brain assumes it MUST have a start menu if it sits on a desk. Unless someone else can explain it to me?
I also question how people buy new cars and not freak out if the radio is the same too? I do not understand human behavior.
They didn't want a Windows 8 disater so they made the UI as desktop one complete with a non touch friendly start button.
The Office team sabotaged it too by making sure the fonts were not LCD friendly for freaking 7 years. They didn't like the tablet.
The infighting at MS was INSANE during Balmers tenure. Now it is starting to change but out of necessity as the fruity company they laughed at and left for dead is more powerful.
If I wrote that last sentence in 1999 I would be laughed at and modded down as a -1 troll for being an Apple fanboy. Yeah like Apple is ever going to be a billion dollar company HA etc. But Apple made both while MS assumed everything would have to be the same as people who buy their software due so because they are familiar with them. Not because they are better to non technical people like those who make purchasing decisions.
NoSQL has a great future. The article posted with true ACID will be a blessing.
Here is the problem with a crappy ultra expensive solution from Oracle or Microsoft. It can't scale and prices go up on an expontential basis if you try to make it do so. Zdnet a few years ago put in a price tag for running youtube.com on Oracle's database instead of Google's NoSQL solution. The price tag was almost $8,000,000,000!!
NoSQL does not mean no sql. It means not only sql. For quick webscale performance you need low latency in the milliseconds. SQL is not designed for this. Joins slow things incredible and so do threads with blocking I/O which is the appeal of node.js and ngix that use event driven technologies.
It is nice when you have small data and an employer who already has a license but outside of this for a startup traditional relational databases can't cut it for big data on a shoe string budget.
But it is FAST AS HELL?!
Doesn't work in IE 6 so it is a no go.
yeah like 99% of the rest of the internet users, regardless of having a boss who only cares what the SEO ranking by week is when doing performance evaluations.