Mobile platforms do not have the AV protection that a full PC has not to mention the spyware installed by the OEMs disable many settings and shares all your data easily able to get your keystrokes.
I am too paranoid to do so on a phone not to mention Android has weak file system security and processes. It is not a full blown linux kernel you are used too on the desktop
Security should be one of the functions it still does.
However, Windows 7 is recommended for most users who do not want to deal with change or something they are not familiar with. core2 is where both XP and Windows 7 tie in performance. Windows 7 would not be good on your P4 and would probably use a generic 1024 x 768 generic VGA driver I would assume if you had the default video card or gasp ancient intel 8xxx shitware gpu like chip.
All you need to do is slap the UI of XP on Windows 8 and kill the tile interface for desktops: Massive sales in 4 months.
This all started with Windows 7 believe it or not. It merely was accelerating when Windows 8 came onto the scene.
If you look at the numbers carefully you may see people using it in large numbers before release, but otherwise the size of the pie itself was already shrinking. The great recession and Vista showed businesses and users that old still works fine unlike the 1990s.
Now the economy is moving again and their cool friends have IPADs and their android phones are great for slashdot and looking at porn without even getting out of bed. So why throw money away on another expensive and fragile PC that is prone to infections? The XP systems stay and are used for work.
Phone/tablet is easier to use for facebook and other activities.
Custom built PCs are a niche market. I highly doubt they would have anything near a 10% impact on the entire PC market.
Not anymore. Asus mentioned they have sold millions of high end/gaming motherboards as gamers no longer buy Dells and replace the GPU like they did in the old days.
You can thank crappy PSU's and proprietary tiny cases for this decline as gamers are the only ones who upgrade besides corporations and they only do so every 10 years now when MS decides it needs more money for another OS upgrade.
I think there is a disconnect between price and quality.
When a CFO see's that he can pay and admin $24,000 vs $85,000 he thinks wow the we have been getting screwed!
I've never seen quality work out of $24,000 admins or hardly any work for that matter; seems to be a constant churning with these companies as well.
Really brings the whole quality of the industry down; The C's start to think that's just the way it is as well as the Mids, obviously not that way in reality.
You know if they had common sense they would write in these contracts that they will refund all the money paid for the contract plus a 25% restocking fee if they get fired before the end of the contract. If they refuse to those terms, that's really telling in the sense that they know that they will fail!
I am guessing most of the time they count on under bidding the contract and then charging add on's out the nose to their clients, seems like a total scam to me.
I had 3 headhunters call me in the past 4 months for senior level and management level positions. One was $10/hr and I would be driving with no fuel re-embursment to branch offices, the other were $15/hr with no benefits or roughly $29,000 a year! They were not even junior jobs either. WTF.
I turned them all down and one was angry and told me IT is not worth that much after I told him what I made on my last contract. The recession has changed people's mindsets as IT is like janitor or plumber work which anyone can do and is sooo easy and just not important. Sadly there are sobs whose unemployment has just run out who took these jobs. This then re-enforces the concept that IT work are like plumbers and other non skilled professions and more money needs to go elsehwere etc.
A lot!.NET and Java are a league of their own compared to script haven PHP, python, and others.
You get a very rich platform that can grow big. After trying to learn Drupal it seems just like a big hack. Sure your Ruby on rails can do some cool things but can it do MVC, 3-tier SOA architecture, use Hibernate, linQ, or advanced data persistent frameworks for SQL databases that much Java Enterprise Edition or.NET?
You can try to cook something together but who do you call for support if something breaks or a 0 day is discovered?
I guess Oracle is kind of free with Java. Java2 EE is still free... right?
I wish something more free could exist that can match the framework but right now nothing can at that scale.
Well for $12/hr you wont find anyone outside of some college student and geeksquad guys.
Bare in mind under the law people get penalized for not signing up for the expensive insurance so having it not work means you force poor people to be fined.
If you think Accenture are incompetent vandals try to get anything done with IBM?
They charge so much for the tiniest things and then call me about jobs to admin these systems for $24,000 a year. No I am seriously not exaggerating that either as they wanted to pay me $12/hr for a millions of dollar contracts for such systems.
Great value these poor schmucks are getting for that price.
Yeah I am sure Ford would be happy to give you free model T parts that wear out for life FOREVER!
My Android got EOL just 2 years after I bought it for $700 (the same cost as Grandma's computer). Don't tell me MS is the all sooo horrible and mean bad guy because after a mere 13 years people will have to stop relying on free updates for an OS that was made for dialup and AOL where security meant blocking a port with a good password and nothing more.
Sure your employer (a very cheap financial institution) may not value IT but who is to say that is the right thing to do.
My car is over 100k and I do not expect free service. Same with computers. Now if XP was free to make patches and didn't have a freaking whole command and control center which costs billions a year to operate to shut off bot nets 24x7 for an OS they only made between $40 - $175 10 years ago you might have a point. Mean old poor Microsoft.
My father is not technical literature anymore and is retired. He knew he was infected and I told him about XP EOL next year. For $100 I got a flash drive with Windows 7 and he purchased a key from MS online. He is good for 7 more years now. Was that so hard?
Grandma needs to be aware with notifications and upgrade. If her computer was made after 2006 it should have at least 1-2 gigs of ram and a core2 which will run Windows 7 fine if all she does is browse the net with IE and play solitare. Actually XP has a horrible version of IE. IE 8 is ancient, doesn't support HTML 5, doesn't have a JIT javascript compiler, is less secure, etc. Do not even go for versions earlier than IE 8. Facebook will probably be HTML 5 only very very soon and then what is Grandma going to do?
It is not like she knows what a browser is? Most users who say Google is their browser think the blue E standards for Enternet and go to google from there. Only geeks know what a browser is so it is not like she has the ability to comprehend what a firefox is.
I don't know why it matters to you, but no, terminology didn't change. The X server is what does the actual displaying, X clients are GUI-programs [which need not run on the same host]
Which are irrelevant in that we dumped dumb terminals decades ago and 98% of us run both locally. This is part of the big push to Wayland.
The fact it uses bitmapped fonts and can't do modern rendering and use the gpu and handle font hinting unless run as root is an epic failure and showing its age. The geeks who started Linux after 2003 had no clue how much of a hog x was on a 32 meg system. It would take 80% of your freaking ram! Somehow it is popular now to love xorg yet its ugly past keeps rearing its head.
Well its the same OS minus the red hat copyright notices right?
Unless centos will abandon packagekit for its own proprietary one signed ala Windows update style and just point to the tarballs and some patches but not document how it works perhaps?
Still in mobile. Very large difference between Galaxs1 and the GalaxyS4. Galaxy1 was painfully slow. Iphone 5s is probably a good 10x or maybe 15x as fast as iphone1
I guess that by blessing CentOS, more companies will start offering paid CentOS support. This has the benefit of marginalizing Oracle Linux and pushing back against Ubuntu server marketshare growth.
Many others too where we pulled our hair out on bugs and things breaking and being cutting edge. It is updated each year and XP diehards have taught us is that new isn't always better
Not only does that just work but so does my approaching 5 year old Windows 7 too!
As a desktop user I do not have to worry about an update killing something because it uses a standard abi like other OSes and unlike Ubuntu throughout 6.x. My scripts will work without breaking, all the apps have matured and are well tested. Driver makers target it, and I keep gnome 2.x and don't have to worry about guis designed for teenagers.
I get a minor update each year!... Oh and every 5 years I get that huge update 7.x where you Ubuntu guys worked on all the bugs for me:-)
What's to hate about it? I have work to do and do not want to play with operating systems too much.
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Mobile platforms do not have the AV protection that a full PC has not to mention the spyware installed by the OEMs disable many settings and shares all your data easily able to get your keystrokes.
I am too paranoid to do so on a phone not to mention Android has weak file system security and processes. It is not a full blown linux kernel you are used too on the desktop
I make decent money thank you very much.
I pick employers who value my skills and exceed performance expectations.
Hopefully it doesn't run XP still does it?
Security should be one of the functions it still does.
However, Windows 7 is recommended for most users who do not want to deal with change or something they are not familiar with. core2 is where both XP and Windows 7 tie in performance. Windows 7 would not be good on your P4 and would probably use a generic 1024 x 768 generic VGA driver I would assume if you had the default video card or gasp ancient intel 8xxx shitware gpu like chip.
All you need to do is slap the UI of XP on Windows 8 and kill the tile interface for desktops: Massive sales in 4 months.
This all started with Windows 7 believe it or not. It merely was accelerating when Windows 8 came onto the scene.
If you look at the numbers carefully you may see people using it in large numbers before release, but otherwise the size of the pie itself was already shrinking. The great recession and Vista showed businesses and users that old still works fine unlike the 1990s.
Now the economy is moving again and their cool friends have IPADs and their android phones are great for slashdot and looking at porn without even getting out of bed. So why throw money away on another expensive and fragile PC that is prone to infections? The XP systems stay and are used for work.
Phone/tablet is easier to use for facebook and other activities.
Custom built PCs are a niche market. I highly doubt they would have anything near a 10% impact on the entire PC market.
Not anymore. Asus mentioned they have sold millions of high end/gaming motherboards as gamers no longer buy Dells and replace the GPU like they did in the old days.
You can thank crappy PSU's and proprietary tiny cases for this decline as gamers are the only ones who upgrade besides corporations and they only do so every 10 years now when MS decides it needs more money for another OS upgrade.
I think there is a disconnect between price and quality.
When a CFO see's that he can pay and admin $24,000 vs $85,000 he thinks wow the we have been getting screwed!
I've never seen quality work out of $24,000 admins or hardly any work for that matter; seems to be a constant churning with these companies as well.
Really brings the whole quality of the industry down; The C's start to think that's just the way it is as well as the Mids, obviously not that way in reality.
You know if they had common sense they would write in these contracts that they will refund all the money paid for the contract plus a 25% restocking fee if they get fired before the end of the contract. If they refuse to those terms, that's really telling in the sense that they know that they will fail!
I am guessing most of the time they count on under bidding the contract and then charging add on's out the nose to their clients, seems like a total scam to me.
I had 3 headhunters call me in the past 4 months for senior level and management level positions. One was $10/hr and I would be driving with no fuel re-embursment to branch offices, the other were $15/hr with no benefits or roughly $29,000 a year! They were not even junior jobs either. WTF.
I turned them all down and one was angry and told me IT is not worth that much after I told him what I made on my last contract. The recession has changed people's mindsets as IT is like janitor or plumber work which anyone can do and is sooo easy and just not important. Sadly there are sobs whose unemployment has just run out who took these jobs. This then re-enforces the concept that IT work are like plumbers and other non skilled professions and more money needs to go elsehwere etc.
A lot! .NET and Java are a league of their own compared to script haven PHP, python, and others.
You get a very rich platform that can grow big. After trying to learn Drupal it seems just like a big hack. Sure your Ruby on rails can do some cool things but can it do MVC, 3-tier SOA architecture, use Hibernate, linQ, or advanced data persistent frameworks for SQL databases that much Java Enterprise Edition or .NET?
You can try to cook something together but who do you call for support if something breaks or a 0 day is discovered?
I guess Oracle is kind of free with Java. Java2 EE is still free ... right?
I wish something more free could exist that can match the framework but right now nothing can at that scale.
Well for $12/hr you wont find anyone outside of some college student and geeksquad guys.
Bare in mind under the law people get penalized for not signing up for the expensive insurance so having it not work means you force poor people to be fined.
Could be worse.
If you think Accenture are incompetent vandals try to get anything done with IBM?
They charge so much for the tiniest things and then call me about jobs to admin these systems for $24,000 a year. No I am seriously not exaggerating that either as they wanted to pay me $12/hr for a millions of dollar contracts for such systems.
Great value these poor schmucks are getting for that price.
MS should put a pop up mentioning EOL for several weeks for home users.
Grandma doesn't go to slashdot.org and how should she know?
Yeah I am sure Ford would be happy to give you free model T parts that wear out for life FOREVER!
My Android got EOL just 2 years after I bought it for $700 (the same cost as Grandma's computer). Don't tell me MS is the all sooo horrible and mean bad guy because after a mere 13 years people will have to stop relying on free updates for an OS that was made for dialup and AOL where security meant blocking a port with a good password and nothing more.
Sure your employer (a very cheap financial institution) may not value IT but who is to say that is the right thing to do.
My car is over 100k and I do not expect free service. Same with computers. Now if XP was free to make patches and didn't have a freaking whole command and control center which costs billions a year to operate to shut off bot nets 24x7 for an OS they only made between $40 - $175 10 years ago you might have a point. Mean old poor Microsoft.
My father is not technical literature anymore and is retired. He knew he was infected and I told him about XP EOL next year. For $100 I got a flash drive with Windows 7 and he purchased a key from MS online. He is good for 7 more years now. Was that so hard?
Grandma needs to be aware with notifications and upgrade. If her computer was made after 2006 it should have at least 1-2 gigs of ram and a core2 which will run Windows 7 fine if all she does is browse the net with IE and play solitare. Actually XP has a horrible version of IE. IE 8 is ancient, doesn't support HTML 5, doesn't have a JIT javascript compiler, is less secure, etc. Do not even go for versions earlier than IE 8. Facebook will probably be HTML 5 only very very soon and then what is Grandma going to do?
It is not like she knows what a browser is? Most users who say Google is their browser think the blue E standards for Enternet and go to google from there. Only geeks know what a browser is so it is not like she has the ability to comprehend what a firefox is.
Come 90 days when 30% of all computers gets death by 1,000 fire ants with exploits all at once.
Especially since MSE wont wont save these users either.
Popcorn time, or an oh shit time if the internet potentially goes offline due to 260,000,000 infected bots.
I don't know why it matters to you, but no, terminology didn't change. The X server is what does the actual displaying, X clients are GUI-programs [which need not run on the same host]
Which are irrelevant in that we dumped dumb terminals decades ago and 98% of us run both locally. This is part of the big push to Wayland.
Majority of updates on my centOS vm are for security updates as well. Your point?
The fact it uses bitmapped fonts and can't do modern rendering and use the gpu and handle font hinting unless run as root is an epic failure and showing its age. The geeks who started Linux after 2003 had no clue how much of a hog x was on a 32 meg system. It would take 80% of your freaking ram! Somehow it is popular now to love xorg yet its ugly past keeps rearing its head.
Now this is a much cleaner and easier to teach.
Well its the same OS minus the red hat copyright notices right?
Unless centos will abandon packagekit for its own proprietary one signed ala Windows update style and just point to the tarballs and some patches but not document how it works perhaps?
I love mine compared to last.
Anything with a chip including chipsets, i/o controllers like thunderbolt, gpu etc, all benefit and change.
There is a reason Sata and thunderbolt 2 did not exist in 1999. Chips and power for them would be impossible or very size and cost prohibitive
Still in mobile. Very large difference between Galaxs1 and the GalaxyS4. Galaxy1 was painfully slow. Iphone 5s is probably a good 10x or maybe 15x as fast as iphone1
Tell that to the XP holdouts.
No newer technology means no change and using the best ever made soley because they are familiar.
One of the reasons our brains are more powerful is because we are 3d and a chip is still stuck in 2d.
When will we see 3d or many layered chips turning simple instructions into complex ones similar to a neural net?
Or if machines are fast enough (witness those on 10 year old XP boxen hold outs) no one will care? When can we have our own 3cpos?
I guess that by blessing CentOS, more companies will start offering paid CentOS support. This has the benefit of marginalizing Oracle Linux and pushing back against Ubuntu server marketshare growth.
Including RHES too!
So what's to stop Oracle from using CentOS srpms instead?
I do!
Many others too where we pulled our hair out on bugs and things breaking and being cutting edge. It is updated each year and XP diehards have taught us is that new isn't always better
Not only does that just work but so does my approaching 5 year old Windows 7 too!
As a desktop user I do not have to worry about an update killing something because it uses a standard abi like other OSes and unlike Ubuntu throughout 6.x. My scripts will work without breaking, all the apps have matured and are well tested. Driver makers target it, and I keep gnome 2.x and don't have to worry about guis designed for teenagers.
I get a minor update each year! ... Oh and every 5 years I get that huge update 7.x where you Ubuntu guys worked on all the bugs for me :-)
What's to hate about it? I have work to do and do not want to play with operating systems too much.