I would not bet my job on a non certified OS though.
If an update to Ubuntu brings down the warehouse and it is found that you were the one who approved the non supported platform where Sybase wont even return your phone calls to restart your business, then do not be surprised if a VP leaves a nice boot imprint on your buttocks as he pushed you out the door after his flight from corporate headquarters.
SuSE enterprise support many of these products (not all). Of course Oracle wants you to use Solaris or at least Oracle Linux so they have a financial incentive to screw you by only supporting Redhat (because they have too.)
I run CentOS in a VM at home for this reason as it is very close to what they use at work which is thankfully free. Would not put it on a real server though doing anything important.:-)
Not to mention Windows does come with a PC anyway so it is not like you save anything.... no system76 does not count as saving as they do not get the bulk OEM discounts that Dell or Samsung get even with the Windows tax.... but the GP is correct with annoying repositories. SuSE has a legal agreement with Microsoft. Actually the company that owns it does through the Novell acquisition which limits font use, font rendering, mp3 support, and other annoyances which is why I do not use SuSE. Other distros like Ubuntu can not offer it with the distro but you can manually add it later which is still gray legal wise.
CentOS 5.x is 2006 era technology. It is quite dated and is from the same era as Windows Server 2003.
If it aint broke do not fix it deal is there but CentOS 6.4 has some of things you are talking about with more up to date tools. They are still dated too as 6.x came out in 2009/2010 time frame but closer to today.
The deal with Microsoft took font hinting away and IT BLEEDS MY EYES.
Maybe I am OCD but I go crazy like someone using Windows 8 for the first time. Yast controls everything and is slow and if something breaks script wise with Yast you are screwed as it shits on anything else it touches.
The driver issues are annoying as well as patent paranoia forcing the removal of mp3s, drivers, and of course LCD and Microsoft fonts. Sorry but LibraOffice needs both to render what is on yoru screen more accurately when someone with Office on Windows opens your files.
I guess it is great for a server actually as it has commercial IBM java support for it. But as a desktop I do not like it but that is out of taste and my opinion is rather old. CentOS works fine in a VM in Vmware so that is what I use as well as FreeBSD image for unix work.
Corporations and developers hate change and like things to freeze in time witness Solaris, IE 6, Java 1.4.x etc. Debian stable fits the bill well.
I know Ubuntu has many fan boys here, but it makes a crappy choice for a developer if your platform changes major shit out every 6 months and updates make more radical changes than Solaris or Windows updates.
Shit Redhat is still based on kernel 2.6 and RHES 5.x is a 2006 era kernel with some patches! Sucks for a desktop (Cent OS 6 is ok as it has somewhat ok device support compared to 5.x) users, but corporate server admins and developers know it is a solid target. CentOS is compatible with other software and a fine OS if you love Gnome 2 still.
Even Windows 7 which slashdotters think is modern is getting old at 4 years. Amazing what Vista and Windows 8 did to the average slashdotter mindset! To praise a 4 year old OS would get you modded +funny or -1 fast pre-Vista and created XP die hards.... of course there is also Oracle Linux but lets not count that here:-)
An RPi is roughly equivalent to a 250MHz Pentium II. A BBB is closer to a 600MHz Pentium III.
Thanks for the info. A used last decade PC running Linux then would be a better bet for a cheap unit to run semi powerful stuff for cheap. Plus can run flash and can print things and run wine.
These things are about as fast as a pc from 12 years ago right?
I had no problems doing this in early linux back then on my pentium III 700 mhz with kernel 2.0 and 2.2 and FreeBSD 4.2. It was fast for what I did and python ran fine unless you need heavy computation I just do not see the cpu being a big deal unless you feel the os is slow and bloated today on such limited hardware? I think CentOS and debian would probably run fine today on my old system if I still had it. I admit KDE would suck goatballs probably. But Mate would run (eat a ton of ram) and XFCE and WindowMaker would be comfortable.
No need to upgrade as witnessed by all the XP fanboys and die hards who refuse to move Windows 7 that statistics show infest the net! If it aint broke don't fix it! cpus in my opinion have reached the end. No need to upgrade unless you are a nich and that niche is getting smaller and smaller year after year. Only very high end games, and nerds running mathematica simulations or compiling chromium builds need such things. For that a PC is better but even still.
If you are using this for very high end mathmatical simulations and CAD software then you are doing it wrong. Seriously that is not what these units are for.
A used PC from 10 years ago can be had which and do that well like an AthlonXP or a VM in vmware or virtualbox on your host computer if you want to tinker and develop software for unix and have it integrate with your Windows host.
For hobbiest work it is fine as double precision is fine in emulation and get a real pc if you need something with a kick
So go to goodwill and get a used AthlonXP, pentium IV, or even an early core2duo if you really want a dual processor system that is about as powerful if not more than an ARMv7 and load Debian or whatever free OS you like after you get rid of the malware infested XP install on it.
Cheap and powerful and will probably have decent driver support and x86 compatiblity for things like flash with open drivers.
Or if you want to play with Linux but not have the cash or the willpower to wipe your Windows install get virtualbox for free if you do not want to dual boot and it will act as a virtual little linux box on your network FAR MORE POWERFULL than a 10 year old PC or the arm unit.
The people who buy these want something cheap to tinker or integrate in personal projects! Not a full workstation replacement.
Personalyl I would not mind Android as well as a dual boot on these things, but there is a free Android VM for x86 if you google around for the SDK.
I believe Cisco iOS (not apple's) is made from BSD Unix (4.4 tapes from Berkely) or was over a decade ago. I do not know if it still is but BSD is really good at packets.
BSD Unix 4.2 invented TCP/IP and the modern internet from arpanet so it is not surprising.:-)
I guess working with tiny tiny machines compared to today you needed no bloat and very efficient mathmatical data algorithms and structures made by people at Berkely writting master theises papers rather than volunteers growing it in Linux as a weekend project.
Apple contributes back A LOT. What they don't want to do is contribute back their trade secret stuff. The other 95% of code they don't have a problem with.
Also the GPL flaw is anything linked to GPL must be GPL as well making it viral. I know people love to flame Bill Gates here on this but he has a point and why TCP/Ip in NT is based on BSD and not GnuLinux.
So if iOS is compiled with gcc and glibc with just 1 and I mean ONE.h file that is GPL it would force Apple to give away their whole fucking trade secrets. That is insane and it hurts proprietary app developers who write software for the Mac and iOS. How would I know a source file that I link to in Xcode is contaminated in GNU?
Before the mods want to vote me down I advise you look at the GPL license? LGPL is for linking but most if nto all of glibc is not LGPL, but GPL which means you can't link.
So Apple is doing the right thing for ISVs and itself. Whether that is the morally right choice is up for debate and endless flamewars on whether you feel corporations are evil takers. But Apple is a corp and so are much of its customers who write software.
The reason why it is stripping GPL is because it is unfriendly for corporations including Apple and others to distribute.
The GPL forces to give the source code away even if it is just.0001% of the actual product even if you link it! So if I write a cout "Hello World\n!"; but the iostream.h is GPL then my rights to use my work are hindered.
Whether that is more free is personal flamewar here on slashdot and I do not want to be modded down for taking sides here if corporations should be forced to give out their IP because of a few header files, but that is a big problem for the lawyers of these corporations.
If you do not like it then use Linux. I personally feel it is very unfair and dickheadish on RMS part as a a header or link to somehting should not infect the rest of a program. There is the LGPL which allows this but authors do nto know about it and feel and are frankly clueless that corporations can't include or link to their programs.
CLANG is a big pronoent of this movement away from the GPL and why FreeBSD has an old version of GCC pre GPL-3 which includes more restrictions on the authors.
In my personal opinion for the moderators I feel tax funded code should be BSD as corps pay taxes as much as people do. Apple does contribute alot back. Webkit, Apache, SSL, and even Xorg.
I do for my virtual routers in VMWare. I guess at work you might not have much of a choice but I do not linux when it comes to routing. If you have any power and just need routing only FreeBSD and even OpenBSD runs on the same hardware and is really tuned for that kind of work. Linux seems great at running java app servers and other apps. Each OS has its own advantages.
Linux always breaks, apps are not tested, things crash, guis are horrendous and 10 years behind MacOSX and Windows, etc.
PC is great for running Windows which is more solid than Linux (dont give me an argument how BSOD happen every 15 minutes because back when you ran Win ME 15 years ago the same situation must exist now).
Linux only runs great on servers from tested releases like Redhat sadly.
If you hate Windows MacOSX is your only option for desktop work. Raedon drivers break every apt-get update rendering X useless.
BAH I HATE aero, I hate Metro, I hate bloat, I hate anything new and my 512 meg pentium IV is fine and I feel threatened by MS cancelling updates after just a mere 13 years of free work.
XP is the best just because I am familiar with it and like the green hills and blue sky background and its ugly fonts on LCD screen. Until a OS mimicks this precisely I wont change and look for a reason to hate X etc.
What a truly ignorant statement. 96% of infections are covered according to the experts. Just because 4% get in doesn't mean it is 100% ineffective and useless. I see many malware programs all the time from people who say they are clean.
It is not 10 years ago where an infection slows it down. Today it is quiet and quick on purpose as your bank account numbers and credit card info gets sent to Russia quietly.
Why would you ever have to touch their computer? Put up a sacrificial server with a virtual host running Samba, and modify their login script and group to have them interface to this virtual host. Have something on the virtual host analyze and sanitize their crap, and physically isolate their network services so that they're not on the same network as everyone else. Give them their porn and keep them off of the corporate network.
Right because executives never need to share files with the rest of the teams in the company. It is not like they have important things to do all day or anything
You have until the end of the month to come up with the money or I will repo your car.
Maybe you shouldn't of told that guy who paid your bills to fuck himself when he demanded it high priority? Not my problem as I get your car and will auction it either way at the end of the month if I do not have my money etc.
Value cards for me it is for now. If you graduated past 2006 40k to 100k with only 10 - 12/hr temp jobs when you graduate seem to be the new norm in the great recession.
But if you graduated in the 1990s you paid 15k to 25k and could get a house for 1/4th the cost as someone graduating today. Economics do not count homes, services, rent, nor food in inflation indexes which is silly because it is a big problem as well as not counting debt and only income.
You are going to pay the expensive heating bills? You cant stop smoke and carbon monoxide as smoke backtracks in the home with a filter or circular air system
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What kind of terrible crackpots are these guys. Any PHB will tell you if it wont look right in IE 6 then something MUST be wrong with the developers.
After all they create things with FrontPage 2000 all the time. How hard can it be?!
Point is ass covering.
That VP or rep for vendor wont listen when you tell them that.
SL! = centos. Different build process with different libs and gcc settings.
I would not bet my job on a non certified OS though.
If an update to Ubuntu brings down the warehouse and it is found that you were the one who approved the non supported platform where Sybase wont even return your phone calls to restart your business, then do not be surprised if a VP leaves a nice boot imprint on your buttocks as he pushed you out the door after his flight from corporate headquarters.
SuSE enterprise support many of these products (not all). Of course Oracle wants you to use Solaris or at least Oracle Linux so they have a financial incentive to screw you by only supporting Redhat (because they have too.)
I run CentOS in a VM at home for this reason as it is very close to what they use at work which is thankfully free. Would not put it on a real server though doing anything important. :-)
Not to mention Windows does come with a PC anyway so it is not like you save anything. ... no system76 does not count as saving as they do not get the bulk OEM discounts that Dell or Samsung get even with the Windows tax. ... but the GP is correct with annoying repositories. SuSE has a legal agreement with Microsoft. Actually the company that owns it does through the Novell acquisition which limits font use, font rendering, mp3 support, and other annoyances which is why I do not use SuSE. Other distros like Ubuntu can not offer it with the distro but you can manually add it later which is still gray legal wise.
YUCK.
This is related to the Novell/Microsoft deal from last decade before Novell sold its assets including Suse.
Just look at the text in those pictures? I feel like its Linux 2002 all over without the font hinting.
CentOS 5.x is 2006 era technology. It is quite dated and is from the same era as Windows Server 2003.
If it aint broke do not fix it deal is there but CentOS 6.4 has some of things you are talking about with more up to date tools. They are still dated too as 6.x came out in 2009/2010 time frame but closer to today.
The deal with Microsoft took font hinting away and IT BLEEDS MY EYES.
Maybe I am OCD but I go crazy like someone using Windows 8 for the first time. Yast controls everything and is slow and if something breaks script wise with Yast you are screwed as it shits on anything else it touches.
The driver issues are annoying as well as patent paranoia forcing the removal of mp3s, drivers, and of course LCD and Microsoft fonts. Sorry but LibraOffice needs both to render what is on yoru screen more accurately when someone with Office on Windows opens your files.
I guess it is great for a server actually as it has commercial IBM java support for it. But as a desktop I do not like it but that is out of taste and my opinion is rather old. CentOS works fine in a VM in Vmware so that is what I use as well as FreeBSD image for unix work.
I am surprised Debian stable is not supported?
Corporations and developers hate change and like things to freeze in time witness Solaris, IE 6, Java 1.4.x etc. Debian stable fits the bill well.
I know Ubuntu has many fan boys here, but it makes a crappy choice for a developer if your platform changes major shit out every 6 months and updates make more radical changes than Solaris or Windows updates.
Shit Redhat is still based on kernel 2.6 and RHES 5.x is a 2006 era kernel with some patches! Sucks for a desktop (Cent OS 6 is ok as it has somewhat ok device support compared to 5.x) users, but corporate server admins and developers know it is a solid target. CentOS is compatible with other software and a fine OS if you love Gnome 2 still.
Even Windows 7 which slashdotters think is modern is getting old at 4 years. Amazing what Vista and Windows 8 did to the average slashdotter mindset! To praise a 4 year old OS would get you modded +funny or -1 fast pre-Vista and created XP die hards. ... of course there is also Oracle Linux but lets not count that here :-)
An RPi is roughly equivalent to a 250MHz Pentium II. A BBB is closer to a 600MHz Pentium III.
Thanks for the info. A used last decade PC running Linux then would be a better bet for a cheap unit to run semi powerful stuff for cheap. Plus can run flash and can print things and run wine.
Sure it does.
Just not at the same time.
These things are about as fast as a pc from 12 years ago right?
I had no problems doing this in early linux back then on my pentium III 700 mhz with kernel 2.0 and 2.2 and FreeBSD 4.2. It was fast for what I did and python ran fine unless you need heavy computation I just do not see the cpu being a big deal unless you feel the os is slow and bloated today on such limited hardware? I think CentOS and debian would probably run fine today on my old system if I still had it. I admit KDE would suck goatballs probably. But Mate would run (eat a ton of ram) and XFCE and WindowMaker would be comfortable.
No need to upgrade as witnessed by all the XP fanboys and die hards who refuse to move Windows 7 that statistics show infest the net! If it aint broke don't fix it! cpus in my opinion have reached the end. No need to upgrade unless you are a nich and that niche is getting smaller and smaller year after year. Only very high end games, and nerds running mathematica simulations or compiling chromium builds need such things. For that a PC is better but even still.
If you are using this for very high end mathmatical simulations and CAD software then you are doing it wrong. Seriously that is not what these units are for.
A used PC from 10 years ago can be had which and do that well like an AthlonXP or a VM in vmware or virtualbox on your host computer if you want to tinker and develop software for unix and have it integrate with your Windows host.
For hobbiest work it is fine as double precision is fine in emulation and get a real pc if you need something with a kick
So go to goodwill and get a used AthlonXP, pentium IV, or even an early core2duo if you really want a dual processor system that is about as powerful if not more than an ARMv7 and load Debian or whatever free OS you like after you get rid of the malware infested XP install on it.
Cheap and powerful and will probably have decent driver support and x86 compatiblity for things like flash with open drivers.
Or if you want to play with Linux but not have the cash or the willpower to wipe your Windows install get virtualbox for free if you do not want to dual boot and it will act as a virtual little linux box on your network FAR MORE POWERFULL than a 10 year old PC or the arm unit.
The people who buy these want something cheap to tinker or integrate in personal projects! Not a full workstation replacement.
Personalyl I would not mind Android as well as a dual boot on these things, but there is a free Android VM for x86 if you google around for the SDK.
When I hear reputation I hear HR drones trying to make up some character correlation flaw for a filtering mechanism.
I am cautious as I view this as another way for banks, insurance companies, and employers to screw you.
I believe Cisco iOS (not apple's) is made from BSD Unix (4.4 tapes from Berkely) or was over a decade ago. I do not know if it still is but BSD is really good at packets.
BSD Unix 4.2 invented TCP/IP and the modern internet from arpanet so it is not surprising. :-)
I guess working with tiny tiny machines compared to today you needed no bloat and very efficient mathmatical data algorithms and structures made by people at Berkely writting master theises papers rather than volunteers growing it in Linux as a weekend project.
Apple contributes back A LOT. What they don't want to do is contribute back their trade secret stuff. The other 95% of code they don't have a problem with.
Also the GPL flaw is anything linked to GPL must be GPL as well making it viral. I know people love to flame Bill Gates here on this but he has a point and why TCP/Ip in NT is based on BSD and not GnuLinux.
So if iOS is compiled with gcc and glibc with just 1 and I mean ONE .h file that is GPL it would force Apple to give away their whole fucking trade secrets. That is insane and it hurts proprietary app developers who write software for the Mac and iOS. How would I know a source file that I link to in Xcode is contaminated in GNU?
Before the mods want to vote me down I advise you look at the GPL license? LGPL is for linking but most if nto all of glibc is not LGPL, but GPL which means you can't link.
So Apple is doing the right thing for ISVs and itself. Whether that is the morally right choice is up for debate and endless flamewars on whether you feel corporations are evil takers. But Apple is a corp and so are much of its customers who write software.
The reason why it is stripping GPL is because it is unfriendly for corporations including Apple and others to distribute.
The GPL forces to give the source code away even if it is just .0001% of the actual product even if you link it! So if I write a cout "Hello World\n!"; but the iostream.h is GPL then my rights to use my work are hindered.
Whether that is more free is personal flamewar here on slashdot and I do not want to be modded down for taking sides here if corporations should be forced to give out their IP because of a few header files, but that is a big problem for the lawyers of these corporations.
If you do not like it then use Linux. I personally feel it is very unfair and dickheadish on RMS part as a a header or link to somehting should not infect the rest of a program. There is the LGPL which allows this but authors do nto know about it and feel and are frankly clueless that corporations can't include or link to their programs.
CLANG is a big pronoent of this movement away from the GPL and why FreeBSD has an old version of GCC pre GPL-3 which includes more restrictions on the authors.
In my personal opinion for the moderators I feel tax funded code should be BSD as corps pay taxes as much as people do. Apple does contribute alot back. Webkit, Apache, SSL, and even Xorg.
Or just use FreeBSD.
I do for my virtual routers in VMWare. I guess at work you might not have much of a choice but I do not linux when it comes to routing. If you have any power and just need routing only FreeBSD and even OpenBSD runs on the same hardware and is really tuned for that kind of work. Linux seems great at running java app servers and other apps. Each OS has its own advantages.
Linux always breaks, apps are not tested, things crash, guis are horrendous and 10 years behind MacOSX and Windows, etc.
PC is great for running Windows which is more solid than Linux (dont give me an argument how BSOD happen every 15 minutes because back when you ran Win ME 15 years ago the same situation must exist now).
Linux only runs great on servers from tested releases like Redhat sadly.
If you hate Windows MacOSX is your only option for desktop work. Raedon drivers break every apt-get update rendering X useless.
XP user die hard joke.
BAH I HATE aero, I hate Metro, I hate bloat, I hate anything new and my 512 meg pentium IV is fine and I feel threatened by MS cancelling updates after just a mere 13 years of free work.
XP is the best just because I am familiar with it and like the green hills and blue sky background and its ugly fonts on LCD screen. Until a OS mimicks this precisely I wont change and look for a reason to hate X etc.
What a truly ignorant statement. 96% of infections are covered according to the experts. Just because 4% get in doesn't mean it is 100% ineffective and useless. I see many malware programs all the time from people who say they are clean.
It is not 10 years ago where an infection slows it down. Today it is quiet and quick on purpose as your bank account numbers and credit card info gets sent to Russia quietly.
Why would you ever have to touch their computer? Put up a sacrificial server with a virtual host running Samba, and modify their login script and group to have them interface to this virtual host. Have something on the virtual host analyze and sanitize their crap, and physically isolate their network services so that they're not on the same network as everyone else. Give them their porn and keep them off of the corporate network.
Right because executives never need to share files with the rest of the teams in the company. It is not like they have important things to do all day or anything
This is your bank. You gonna pay me or what!
You have until the end of the month to come up with the money or I will repo your car.
Maybe you shouldn't of told that guy who paid your bills to fuck himself when he demanded it high priority? Not my problem as I get your car and will auction it either way at the end of the month if I do not have my money etc.
Still have 40k on mine and no house yet.
Value cards for me it is for now. If you graduated past 2006 40k to 100k with only 10 - 12/hr temp jobs when you graduate seem to be the new norm in the great recession.
But if you graduated in the 1990s you paid 15k to 25k and could get a house for 1/4th the cost as someone graduating today. Economics do not count homes, services, rent, nor food in inflation indexes which is silly because it is a big problem as well as not counting debt and only income.
You are going to pay the expensive heating bills? You cant stop smoke and carbon monoxide as smoke backtracks in the home with a filter or circular air system