Trying to get compuviz to work and my ati drivers kept breaking after an upgrade. Also was playing with fonts trying to get them to look as good as Windows and fix java not using font hinting etc.
After Firefox 3.6 and 4.0 I gave IE 9 a whirl 2 years ago. I was shocking surprised as it was the smoothest browser out there that took advantage of my GPU and I was not found of Chrome.
Bare in mind every browser had quirks 12 years ago when IE 6 was made. To this day Firefox has a bug where it will crash when you try to center a table that has not been fixed since Netscape 4??
Name one browser that passed the acid test 10 years ago even? Webkit was too flakey and required specific code. Mozilla seamonkey required specific hacks, and IE 6 was a dream come true compared to the horrors of Netscape 4 if you ask an older webmaster.
IE 6 should have been updated by 2003 or 2004 and rumor has it MS was working on IE 6.5 complete with a download manager and fixed much of the quirks but it was canned.
IE 9/10 you can set up adblock if you go to internet options and put in a custom blocklist. From there you can select special lists from Microsoft.com including hte same one for Adblock plus. IE 10 had NOTRack by default enabled.
Anyway I no longer use IE except at work but it is kind of unfair to bash it when comparing such a relic like IE 6. I can bash Firefox saying I remember Netscape 4.7 ohhh no thank you etc. For office workers I strongly encourage them to upgrade. Otherwise intranet crap vendors will still make IE 8 specific sites that wont work with any other browser. Firefox and Chrome support is a no go as they are not enterprise friendly. IE 10 standards are open ones so Chrome and Firefox will work with them too.
Most (l)users do not know about this and just use Windows 7 like XP and whine about how the start button was better in XP. I hear they are frustrated there is no show desktop function (even though there is) and how you can't cut and paste code in the addressbar in Windows Explorer.
They just hate change and prefer to shackle themselves by older systems by their ankles fearing change and assuming anything is worse because some slashdotter told them Vista 2.0 = Windows 7 so they made up their minds about how it has to suck.
There are native perl.NET and com specific modules that can be used to port it. Windows is not unix and it is kind of useless anyway as not everything is a text file like in Plan9 and Unix based operating systems.
Visual Studio wins hands down but I use Eclipse for Android stuff in Windows and have no problem.
Nope until 2008 IE 6 was the defecto standard. If something didn't work on IE 6 it was broken. If Firefox wouldn't render it then it was broken. If something was broken in Firefox but works in IE 6 corporate users considered it standard and proper.
Which is why in 2013 you still have software that only works with IE 8 that is being sold currently.
What I like about Windows Server 2012 is it only uses RAM as needed in any Virtual Machine Manager and not just HyperV.
With Windows Server 2003 if you gave it 2 gigs of ram. It would use 2 gigs of ram. If you create a VM of CentOS it would only use 256 and use up to 2 gigs of RAM. But Windows has suck crappy memory management that VMWare Workstation would have to use all of it.
So my preference is to test Windows Server 2012 for this reason.
Also it compresses data for WAN links which is nice since the T1 is alive and well as corps are cheap and refuse to upgrade. So if you have +60 desktops in a remote location over the WAN you have a performance hit. With Server 2012 Active Directory traffic is compressed. You can save money by not having to use SAN devices to conserve bandwidth between the sites.
For an App server Linux is still hard to beat in my opinion though. You can do wonders with awk, sed, and grep since everything is a text file.
I switched back to Windows as my main and Linux in a VM.
Windows does not suck like it once did. Even IE is tolerable and IE 10 is modern and I say on par with Chrome and Firefox for the first time since 2001 is competitive.... for course if those crappy gui intranets probably wont work with IE 10 as they were written when IE 6 was the standard and W3C was broken in the eyes of I.T.
Linux just seems like a poor desktop OS that just works.
I created this name 12 years ago because I was young, immature, and hated Microsoft with a passion. (typical slashdotter at the time in 1999)
Windows crashed and DOS was horrible though slashdot had its loyalists I should not by 1993 create autoexec.bat files for Monkey Island and another to play Doom because of expanded vs extended memory?? WTF this is a 486 not a 8086?!
Around the time they were asked 10 years ago on what kept me off Windows questions
I tried Linux then and fell in love with the aspects of free software, tons of apps on cd (I was on dialup then), I did not have to pay $$$$ for compilers for game development, could get any gui I wanted, I could get paid a shit load of money if I had Unix on my resume.
I fell in love with FreeBSD. It was stable, never changed, just worked, unless I did something stupid to it. I started disliking Linux. It was beta quality and kept crashing compared to FreeBSD and Solaris. I felt it was the Windows version of Linux where crapware and hardware are thrown on it and it is not tested well.
I took a java programming course and gave up on FreeBSD as I needed Java 5 in 2004. I reluctantly started using XP. Why in 2013 I stick with Windows
It works and no longer blows and sucks. For the slashdotters who have ran Linux for 10 years you have to ask yourself if your memories of IE 6 and WindowsME still apply today?
Windows 7 is stable, IE 10 is a modern browser and has 90% of Firefox's HTML 5 features, Office has its issues but it still is professional, and Adobe products are nice to have but they also exist on the Mac as well. Windows Server 2012 is ok. It is finally catching up and is finally VM ready.
Linux never just works and has problems with updates with my ATI and AMD hardware due to the lack of a stable ABI. It doesn't have Microsoft Office. Java is butt ugly as the fonts are broken in Debian/Ubuntu distros as the bug is 6 years old now! WTF. FreeBSD is out of the question today as 5.x and 6.x were horrible! I stuck with the 4.x all the way until 4.12 which was now quite stale by 2005.
My exwife asked me (no not flamebait moderators but her real opinion and words) why I use such an inferior system? My response was WTF Windows sucks, Windows blows, Windows is unstable, and went on and on. Her response was well you are the one who always has to reinstall your operating system. My Vista just works? Whose is better now?
She is right. World of Warcraft was a pain with Wine, then I had to get Ventrillo to work, and then Office. In the end it just is not worth it.
I keep CentOS around in virtualbox and VMWare. It rocks as a server
In 2011 after gnome 3 I gave up. Sorry guys. I put Windows 7 on and it just works. I have reinstalled it a few times but that is it. Compared to Windows 3.1 it is certainly tolerable.
No is a strong word as I have not seen it in 10 years. Java can't be replaced because it is run on Enterprise Application Servers and with its thick and extensive frameworks it is difficult to find a replacement. Especially one where it can't fixed very quickly and cheaply. If something took 9 years to mature with Java from scratch it will take 9 years plus longer in something else as the frameworks are not there in other platforms.
Someone was actually serious about mentioning C?! Are you kidding?
I do not live in Silicon Valley so employers do not care about these buzzwords. They do care about worked on Java doing crm for x amount of years for intranet app on CVs.
I saw an ad which stated IE 6 experience A MUST! just last year. Obviously, they had to write something for that browser for stuborn customers who did not want to upgrade.
Point is the customer does not like buzzwords and has no concept of being left behind. I.T. is like plumbing to them where they pay a service (a cloud) and data goes down some pipes and through a black box different data comes back into the output pipe. They do not want to upgrade their systems. They do not care about geek issues.
They just want someone with references and can do boring business apps and won't wine when the platform is Oracle. Maybe I am very cyncical and have worked for very cheap employers who simply do not care and look at me as a cost?
I can't be alone and it would be nice if geeks ran the I.T. departments again and things were like universities where new stuff isn't feared and politicals and picking a winning company and software vendors tying things to bad technology send their base sales people too the non technical bosses.
I was thinking SCO, but SCO never held the copyright of Unix which is why the lawsuits died. They were only given a right to use it and enforce it.
Now if Novel sold all of it to SCO then SCO would be happy to file a friends of the court and would win as the series of characters of cat, vi, sed, awk, sh, are all copyrighted trademarks of SCO and Linux would have to rename them as sdfd, sd, sdfx, adfjk, and yi etc
I think geeks are living in the 20th century here. I know of No and I mean No website that uses java for client applets.... well maybe Oracle's javaFX page but that is it:-)
I bet most of the slashdotters thinking Java = gui probably use Java intranet pages all the time at work and never know it.
Java is part of the servlet framework. Also what about devices like Cisco routers. I have employers who still use IE 7 as these CISCO switches are not cheap to replace and they can't be viewed with anything else.
Java runs on mainframes, accounting apps, CRM, and other things that does no client displaying at all. No JS is not a solution to replace no more than a shell script is meant to replace C for the Linux kernel.
Second, problem is the customer is not you but your boss. You know the same one who has IE 6 apps and wont upgrade as that does not raise the shareprice? The one who buys things without your approval and says support it or find another job? The one who has to check in with accounting before anything can be approved and writes a business plan on how the shareprice will go up if we do X etc?
Third, what about the legacy crap already there? The stuff that just works and is central to a business process that your boss does not want you to touch unless you are upgrading it. Some of this stuff wont go away PERIOD.
Fourth, is money. Money talks and shit walks. So much money has been invested in your career, training, and your employers infrastructure that you might as well flush it down the toilet to start over. Sunk costs are not tolerated in corporate America. Rewritting all this shit even in a much better platform does not make economical sense.
Notice I did not give a single technical reason yet?!... last on the very bottom are technical reasons geeks care about.
Name one other platform that has hibernate, rest, MVC, spring, and a million other frameworks? I know of just one that comes close and that is another company that is despised here and even that is missing some things if you know who I am talking about?
If you are a geek at school or hobbiest in a basement we do not give a shit about you or your needs frankly. Those who say oh we will leave you ORACLE!! are ridiculous. Management loves them and is dependent on them and with the first 4 reasons above they can't and wont leave. In their mind they never heard of this silly things if you can't Oracle to work like everyone else than perhaps you should consider a different field?? etc.
Worse, same shit will happen to Mono if Oracle wins as this gives SCO and MS a reason to copyright all clones and clean room implementations. This will ruin everyone.
There is proof in Oracle's behavior.... or if we want to be literal highly probably odds that the sole reason for this is to ban Android and extort money from people and raise the cost of apps and phones and kill free apps on all but IPhones. Why else would Oracle do this and wow would they have a tight squeeze on the new mobile markets balls by this!
Copyrights are by their nature monopolies. Similar to patents but covers expressions rather than actual devices.
It can also be reasonably argued that this will hurt other unrelated software cases as lawyers quote other court cases as real facts until they are overthrown. MS could claim they own wine, samba, reactOS, etc. SCO could now claim they own Linux all over again merely because it contains sed, awk, sh, and has the same commands. If you make a clean room implementation then SCO owns it even if you write it. Thats what a copyright is a monopoly and owner ship of work.
Yes publishers too own all their work and can sue your for copyright infringement too by reprinting.
The best thing you can do is to start moving towards languages with truly open specs and APIs, like C has. Go may fit the bill, but I'm not sure. The other thing is to do absolutely everything you can at home and at work, to stop *any* money going to Oracle and companies like them. Move towards open-source, or products from companies that play more nicely with others. If these companies don't get punished in the profit department, they don't take notice. There are enough senior people here and on other forums that a *severe* dent could be made in Oracle.
No that is not the best solution because lawyers quote other cases like the laws of God of correct interpretation.
This means you can't use wine, reactOS, and maybe Linux itself as SCO can now claim they own the exact string of characters that spell out cat, dir, ls, sed, awk, shell, sh, etc. I believe MS bought rights to either C or C++ some years ago so they could claim printf is an intellectual property of Microsoft and you need a license to run it.
Severe dent in Oracle?? In the real world your bosses bosses boss makes the decision after a round of golf with Oracle or some shitty IE 6 app that meets a need that has Oracle specific crap calls in the product. You either support or get another job!
Besides I am playing with the Android SDK and no I wont buy an expensive mac and switch to ios or downgrade to Windows 8 from Windows 7 to make some windows phone app instead. Why should I?
We need to fight this and pay the EFF and FSF and donate. Maybe if they filed friends of the court with Google it can convince a non-technical judge?
However, if you were Google or IceTea you couldn't make a clean room implementation as the words and phrases to make a program source compatible is owned by Oracle.
By extension you must now pay Oracle $999 for JavaSE or whatever the fuck Oracle wants to charge as no competition is allowed to exist.
Microsoft would also use this to end SAMBA (A.D compatibility for Linux and MacOSX), Wine, and ReactOS. After all MS would own the exact words and strings of characters of each API call and can quote this case as an example.
Sco can rise from the grave too and claim they own sh, sed, awk, ed, vi, cat, and all of unix because it looks the same and has the same characters as Unixware etc cleanroom implementation or not.
I was really hoping SWTOR would be that next gen game as I actually liked the huge improvements over wow with companions, voice driven quests, choices, and companions doing the dirty profession work for you.
Wow seemed so primitive in comparison yet was bashed on slashdot for some unkown reason by Wow loyalists and other gaming sites. Sigh.
Of course I grew up but I want to see more than just wow but the fact of the matter is it is very very expensive to make a MMO. In time you run out of ideas like Kung Fu Panda in Wow. Man it rocked when Arathas was still around and Wow for me died when he was finally defeated.
But you neglect to mention TVs drive the HD scam so pixel densities do not make a difference there either.
Infact the only good thing about Apple is they put competitors on their toes. The lack of compability with non 100 DPI and the new sexy mac laptops and imacs having 200 DPI is going to put pressure on PC makers.
Actually it means cheaper parts for PC makers as no one has the pull Apple does which is why laptops regressed to just 1376 x 768 or whatever the hell that resolution from 2002 is. You can't really get a 1080P laptop anymore?!
Reason why is as everyone else stopped doing it it caused the economies of scale to raise prices which in turn meant other OEMs stop making them which in return rose the cost again to make them.
I hope the trend reverses but Windows 7 is going to be the next PITA as its apps and OS are not non-100 DPI ready. Windows 8 is but just like IE 6 and XP, the developers will ignore it to satisfy everyone.
In terms of draconion games locked on a PC?? Have you seen a console? It is insane about the paranoia to piracy. EA and Blizzard let you down thier games with your account now problem after you paid for them. There is Steam too. Console makers want you to buy them over and over again new only.
I hate console except for the WII. I hate the controllers. I hate the idea of winning any game is push buttons fast enough, I hate the non internet enabled features of 80% of them, I hate I can't type, nor can I download mods for games like the PC titles all have. Just in the last few years some progress has been made but I can't level my emperial snipper in the Old Republic on an Xbox. It aint gonna happen.
The republicans are a party of NO who only vote on idealogical of no government, and no taxes. Democrats are corrupt but at least want to accomplish things other than fillabuster and vote No
No I they can mandate congress pass a law requiring Apple and MS put this new rootkit in every bootloader.
Oh wait you run Linux?? Pfff criminal!
Government can't force me to own a computer but my boss surely can if I need to get work done. They will have to be purchased for me in order to survive. No 2 ways about it so they are going to the government to get their way so we as consumers never get a choice.
It is time to file RICO act and Sherman anti trust laws and break up Hollywood. I agree with those who say they are a threat to the new economy and stand in the way of innovation from a different era.
This is like the horse and carriage industry making laws to stop cars and bribing congress. I mean WTF
Let's say this does get legalised, somehow. Have fun trying to export any infected products to the rest of the world!
Do you live somewhere in the rest of the world?
Have you heard the expression "To 'harmonize' the laws".
That is how this will become legal where you live.
This would push things over the limit. No companies or government branches outside of USA(or even in USA!) would stand for this. they would all just move to open source if they had to..
I think you heavily under=estimate the corruption in the US government. It feels like Star Wars episodes 1 - 3 all over here with one party (Republican) trying to destroy the country so they can push an ulterior agenda. Everything is fucking up for sale.
I mean if I buy a phone after January I can't unlock it without going to jail! A new bill is being proposed to make it a crime to hack your own phone and SIM card??! You can't declare chapter 11 bankruptcy unless you are already rich and do not need too to feed your fucking family.
This is getting scary and you bet in an election year they will do anything to fund those polished ads you see on youtube and on TV paid for by these groups with laws bought in the corporations favor.
I swear if IE 6 didn't have security issues and toolbar installs than Firefox never would have been more than a niche like Opera!
After slowing malware hit computers last decade most users now use other browsers except at work where they think they save money by hiring more staff to put out malware fires from IE 6 all day than to just pay to update their intranet apps!
Acrobat though is still on deaf ears. I switched to Foxit about 2 years ago and never looked back. Anything that executes automatically scares me but I realize most people are not as smart when it comes to computers. Modern IE 10 is fairly secure now.
I image the rootkits will come from Microsoft and Apple though and bypassing all of us. MS has proven otherwise they were happy DRMing the hell out of Vista/Windows 7 to the point where video conferences are blurry at work unless I use HDMI with content protection end to end.
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Trying to get compuviz to work and my ati drivers kept breaking after an upgrade. Also was playing with fonts trying to get them to look as good as Windows and fix java not using font hinting etc.
After Firefox 3.6 and 4.0 I gave IE 9 a whirl 2 years ago. I was shocking surprised as it was the smoothest browser out there that took advantage of my GPU and I was not found of Chrome.
Bare in mind every browser had quirks 12 years ago when IE 6 was made. To this day Firefox has a bug where it will crash when you try to center a table that has not been fixed since Netscape 4??
Name one browser that passed the acid test 10 years ago even? Webkit was too flakey and required specific code. Mozilla seamonkey required specific hacks, and IE 6 was a dream come true compared to the horrors of Netscape 4 if you ask an older webmaster.
IE 6 should have been updated by 2003 or 2004 and rumor has it MS was working on IE 6.5 complete with a download manager and fixed much of the quirks but it was canned.
IE 9/10 you can set up adblock if you go to internet options and put in a custom blocklist. From there you can select special lists from Microsoft.com including hte same one for Adblock plus. IE 10 had NOTRack by default enabled.
Anyway I no longer use IE except at work but it is kind of unfair to bash it when comparing such a relic like IE 6. I can bash Firefox saying I remember Netscape 4.7 ohhh no thank you etc. For office workers I strongly encourage them to upgrade. Otherwise intranet crap vendors will still make IE 8 specific sites that wont work with any other browser. Firefox and Chrome support is a no go as they are not enterprise friendly. IE 10 standards are open ones so Chrome and Firefox will work with them too.
Most (l)users do not know about this and just use Windows 7 like XP and whine about how the start button was better in XP. I hear they are frustrated there is no show desktop function (even though there is) and how you can't cut and paste code in the addressbar in Windows Explorer.
They just hate change and prefer to shackle themselves by older systems by their ankles fearing change and assuming anything is worse because some slashdotter told them Vista 2.0 = Windows 7 so they made up their minds about how it has to suck.
Dude MingW is like 10 years old!
There are native perl .NET and com specific modules that can be used to port it. Windows is not unix and it is kind of useless anyway as not everything is a text file like in Plan9 and Unix based operating systems.
Visual Studio wins hands down but I use Eclipse for Android stuff in Windows and have no problem.
Nope until 2008 IE 6 was the defecto standard. If something didn't work on IE 6 it was broken. If Firefox wouldn't render it then it was broken. If something was broken in Firefox but works in IE 6 corporate users considered it standard and proper.
Which is why in 2013 you still have software that only works with IE 8 that is being sold currently.
What I like about Windows Server 2012 is it only uses RAM as needed in any Virtual Machine Manager and not just HyperV.
With Windows Server 2003 if you gave it 2 gigs of ram. It would use 2 gigs of ram. If you create a VM of CentOS it would only use 256 and use up to 2 gigs of RAM. But Windows has suck crappy memory management that VMWare Workstation would have to use all of it.
So my preference is to test Windows Server 2012 for this reason.
Also it compresses data for WAN links which is nice since the T1 is alive and well as corps are cheap and refuse to upgrade. So if you have +60 desktops in a remote location over the WAN you have a performance hit. With Server 2012 Active Directory traffic is compressed. You can save money by not having to use SAN devices to conserve bandwidth between the sites.
For an App server Linux is still hard to beat in my opinion though. You can do wonders with awk, sed, and grep since everything is a text file.
I switched back to Windows as my main and Linux in a VM.
Windows does not suck like it once did. Even IE is tolerable and IE 10 is modern and I say on par with Chrome and Firefox for the first time since 2001 is competitive. ... for course if those crappy gui intranets probably wont work with IE 10 as they were written when IE 6 was the standard and W3C was broken in the eyes of I.T.
Linux just seems like a poor desktop OS that just works.
I created this name 12 years ago because I was young, immature, and hated Microsoft with a passion.
(typical slashdotter at the time in 1999)
Windows crashed and DOS was horrible though slashdot had its loyalists I should not by 1993 create autoexec.bat files for Monkey Island and another to play Doom because of expanded vs extended memory?? WTF this is a 486 not a 8086?!
Around the time they were asked 10 years ago on what kept me off Windows questions
I tried Linux then and fell in love with the aspects of free software, tons of apps on cd (I was on dialup then), I did not have to pay $$$$ for compilers for game development, could get any gui I wanted, I could get paid a shit load of money if I had Unix on my resume.
I fell in love with FreeBSD. It was stable, never changed, just worked, unless I did something stupid to it. I started disliking Linux. It was beta quality and kept crashing compared to FreeBSD and Solaris. I felt it was the Windows version of Linux where crapware and hardware are thrown on it and it is not tested well.
I took a java programming course and gave up on FreeBSD as I needed Java 5 in 2004. I reluctantly started using XP.
Why in 2013 I stick with Windows
It works and no longer blows and sucks. For the slashdotters who have ran Linux for 10 years you have to ask yourself if your memories of IE 6 and WindowsME still apply today?
Windows 7 is stable, IE 10 is a modern browser and has 90% of Firefox's HTML 5 features, Office has its issues but it still is professional, and Adobe products are nice to have but they also exist on the Mac as well. Windows Server 2012 is ok. It is finally catching up and is finally VM ready.
Linux never just works and has problems with updates with my ATI and AMD hardware due to the lack of a stable ABI. It doesn't have Microsoft Office. Java is butt ugly as the fonts are broken in Debian/Ubuntu distros as the bug is 6 years old now! WTF. FreeBSD is out of the question today as 5.x and 6.x were horrible! I stuck with the 4.x all the way until 4.12 which was now quite stale by 2005.
My exwife asked me (no not flamebait moderators but her real opinion and words) why I use such an inferior system? My response was WTF Windows sucks, Windows blows, Windows is unstable, and went on and on. Her response was well you are the one who always has to reinstall your operating system. My Vista just works? Whose is better now?
She is right. World of Warcraft was a pain with Wine, then I had to get Ventrillo to work, and then Office. In the end it just is not worth it.
I keep CentOS around in virtualbox and VMWare. It rocks as a server
In 2011 after gnome 3 I gave up. Sorry guys. I put Windows 7 on and it just works. I have reinstalled it a few times but that is it. Compared to Windows 3.1 it is certainly tolerable.
Ok we have 2 whole websites.
No is a strong word as I have not seen it in 10 years. Java can't be replaced because it is run on Enterprise Application Servers and with its thick and extensive frameworks it is difficult to find a replacement. Especially one where it can't fixed very quickly and cheaply. If something took 9 years to mature with Java from scratch it will take 9 years plus longer in something else as the frameworks are not there in other platforms.
Someone was actually serious about mentioning C?! Are you kidding?
I do not live in Silicon Valley so employers do not care about these buzzwords. They do care about worked on Java doing crm for x amount of years for intranet app on CVs.
I saw an ad which stated IE 6 experience A MUST! just last year. Obviously, they had to write something for that browser for stuborn customers who did not want to upgrade.
Point is the customer does not like buzzwords and has no concept of being left behind. I.T. is like plumbing to them where they pay a service (a cloud) and data goes down some pipes and through a black box different data comes back into the output pipe. They do not want to upgrade their systems. They do not care about geek issues.
They just want someone with references and can do boring business apps and won't wine when the platform is Oracle. Maybe I am very cyncical and have worked for very cheap employers who simply do not care and look at me as a cost?
I can't be alone and it would be nice if geeks ran the I.T. departments again and things were like universities where new stuff isn't feared and politicals and picking a winning company and software vendors tying things to bad technology send their base sales people too the non technical bosses.
I was thinking SCO, but SCO never held the copyright of Unix which is why the lawsuits died. They were only given a right to use it and enforce it.
Now if Novel sold all of it to SCO then SCO would be happy to file a friends of the court and would win as the series of characters of cat, vi, sed, awk, sh, are all copyrighted trademarks of SCO and Linux would have to rename them as sdfd, sd, sdfx, adfjk, and yi etc
Thats not realistic.
I think geeks are living in the 20th century here. I know of No and I mean No website that uses java for client applets. ... well maybe Oracle's javaFX page but that is it :-)
I bet most of the slashdotters thinking Java = gui probably use Java intranet pages all the time at work and never know it.
Java is part of the servlet framework. Also what about devices like Cisco routers. I have employers who still use IE 7 as these CISCO switches are not cheap to replace and they can't be viewed with anything else.
Java runs on mainframes, accounting apps, CRM, and other things that does no client displaying at all. No JS is not a solution to replace no more than a shell script is meant to replace C for the Linux kernel.
First off where are you going to move too?
Second, problem is the customer is not you but your boss. You know the same one who has IE 6 apps and wont upgrade as that does not raise the shareprice? The one who buys things without your approval and says support it or find another job? The one who has to check in with accounting before anything can be approved and writes a business plan on how the shareprice will go up if we do X etc?
Third, what about the legacy crap already there? The stuff that just works and is central to a business process that your boss does not want you to touch unless you are upgrading it. Some of this stuff wont go away PERIOD.
Fourth, is money. Money talks and shit walks. So much money has been invested in your career, training, and your employers infrastructure that you might as well flush it down the toilet to start over. Sunk costs are not tolerated in corporate America. Rewritting all this shit even in a much better platform does not make economical sense.
Notice I did not give a single technical reason yet?! ... last on the very bottom are technical reasons geeks care about.
Name one other platform that has hibernate, rest, MVC, spring, and a million other frameworks? I know of just one that comes close and that is another company that is despised here and even that is missing some things if you know who I am talking about?
If you are a geek at school or hobbiest in a basement we do not give a shit about you or your needs frankly. Those who say oh we will leave you ORACLE!! are ridiculous. Management loves them and is dependent on them and with the first 4 reasons above they can't and wont leave. In their mind they never heard of this silly things if you can't Oracle to work like everyone else than perhaps you should consider a different field?? etc.
Worse, same shit will happen to Mono if Oracle wins as this gives SCO and MS a reason to copyright all clones and clean room implementations. This will ruin everyone.
There is proof in Oracle's behavior. ... or if we want to be literal highly probably odds that the sole reason for this is to ban Android and extort money from people and raise the cost of apps and phones and kill free apps on all but IPhones. Why else would Oracle do this and wow would they have a tight squeeze on the new mobile markets balls by this!
Copyrights are by their nature monopolies. Similar to patents but covers expressions rather than actual devices.
It can also be reasonably argued that this will hurt other unrelated software cases as lawyers quote other court cases as real facts until they are overthrown. MS could claim they own wine, samba, reactOS, etc. SCO could now claim they own Linux all over again merely because it contains sed, awk, sh, and has the same commands. If you make a clean room implementation then SCO owns it even if you write it. Thats what a copyright is a monopoly and owner ship of work.
Yes publishers too own all their work and can sue your for copyright infringement too by reprinting.
The best thing you can do is to start moving towards languages with truly open specs and APIs, like C has. Go may fit the bill, but I'm not sure. The other thing is to do absolutely everything you can at home and at work, to stop *any* money going to Oracle and companies like them. Move towards open-source, or products from companies that play more nicely with others. If these companies don't get punished in the profit department, they don't take notice. There are enough senior people here and on other forums that a *severe* dent could be made in Oracle.
No that is not the best solution because lawyers quote other cases like the laws of God of correct interpretation.
This means you can't use wine, reactOS, and maybe Linux itself as SCO can now claim they own the exact string of characters that spell out cat, dir, ls, sed, awk, shell, sh, etc. I believe MS bought rights to either C or C++ some years ago so they could claim printf is an intellectual property of Microsoft and you need a license to run it.
Severe dent in Oracle?? In the real world your bosses bosses boss makes the decision after a round of golf with Oracle or some shitty IE 6 app that meets a need that has Oracle specific crap calls in the product. You either support or get another job!
Besides I am playing with the Android SDK and no I wont buy an expensive mac and switch to ios or downgrade to Windows 8 from Windows 7 to make some windows phone app instead. Why should I?
We need to fight this and pay the EFF and FSF and donate. Maybe if they filed friends of the court with Google it can convince a non-technical judge?
No it doesn't.
However, if you were Google or IceTea you couldn't make a clean room implementation as the words and phrases to make a program source compatible is owned by Oracle.
By extension you must now pay Oracle $999 for JavaSE or whatever the fuck Oracle wants to charge as no competition is allowed to exist.
Microsoft would also use this to end SAMBA (A.D compatibility for Linux and MacOSX), Wine, and ReactOS. After all MS would own the exact words and strings of characters of each API call and can quote this case as an example.
Sco can rise from the grave too and claim they own sh, sed, awk, ed, vi, cat, and all of unix because it looks the same and has the same characters as Unixware etc cleanroom implementation or not.
I was really hoping SWTOR would be that next gen game as I actually liked the huge improvements over wow with companions, voice driven quests, choices, and companions doing the dirty profession work for you.
Wow seemed so primitive in comparison yet was bashed on slashdot for some unkown reason by Wow loyalists and other gaming sites. Sigh.
Of course I grew up but I want to see more than just wow but the fact of the matter is it is very very expensive to make a MMO. In time you run out of ideas like Kung Fu Panda in Wow. Man it rocked when Arathas was still around and Wow for me died when he was finally defeated.
But you neglect to mention TVs drive the HD scam so pixel densities do not make a difference there either.
Infact the only good thing about Apple is they put competitors on their toes. The lack of compability with non 100 DPI and the new sexy mac laptops and imacs having 200 DPI is going to put pressure on PC makers.
Actually it means cheaper parts for PC makers as no one has the pull Apple does which is why laptops regressed to just 1376 x 768 or whatever the hell that resolution from 2002 is. You can't really get a 1080P laptop anymore?!
Reason why is as everyone else stopped doing it it caused the economies of scale to raise prices which in turn meant other OEMs stop making them which in return rose the cost again to make them.
I hope the trend reverses but Windows 7 is going to be the next PITA as its apps and OS are not non-100 DPI ready. Windows 8 is but just like IE 6 and XP, the developers will ignore it to satisfy everyone.
In terms of draconion games locked on a PC?? Have you seen a console? It is insane about the paranoia to piracy. EA and Blizzard let you down thier games with your account now problem after you paid for them. There is Steam too. Console makers want you to buy them over and over again new only.
I hate console except for the WII. I hate the controllers. I hate the idea of winning any game is push buttons fast enough, I hate the non internet enabled features of 80% of them, I hate I can't type, nor can I download mods for games like the PC titles all have. Just in the last few years some progress has been made but I can't level my emperial snipper in the Old Republic on an Xbox. It aint gonna happen.
Have you seen how locked Itunes, ios, and even the newer versions of MacOSX are?
Its drmed the hell throughout to make Apple more money and content producers more happy selling their polished turdware on their iDevices.
The republicans are a party of NO who only vote on idealogical of no government, and no taxes. Democrats are corrupt but at least want to accomplish things other than fillabuster and vote No
Nope they have 2 gig caps. I used to play with them in WOW and they would have to stop raiding for a few weeks until the cap reset on their cable.
No I they can mandate congress pass a law requiring Apple and MS put this new rootkit in every bootloader.
Oh wait you run Linux?? Pfff criminal!
Government can't force me to own a computer but my boss surely can if I need to get work done. They will have to be purchased for me in order to survive. No 2 ways about it so they are going to the government to get their way so we as consumers never get a choice.
It is time to file RICO act and Sherman anti trust laws and break up Hollywood. I agree with those who say they are a threat to the new economy and stand in the way of innovation from a different era.
This is like the horse and carriage industry making laws to stop cars and bribing congress. I mean WTF
It deeply saddens me that people continue to vote politicians that pull this kind of crap.
Let's say this does get legalised, somehow. Have fun trying to export any infected products to the rest of the world!
Do you live somewhere in the rest of the world?
Have you heard the expression "To 'harmonize' the laws".
That is how this will become legal where you live.
This would push things over the limit. No companies or government branches outside of USA(or even in USA!) would stand for this. they would all just move to open source if they had to..
I think you heavily under=estimate the corruption in the US government. It feels like Star Wars episodes 1 - 3 all over here with one party (Republican) trying to destroy the country so they can push an ulterior agenda. Everything is fucking up for sale.
I mean if I buy a phone after January I can't unlock it without going to jail! A new bill is being proposed to make it a crime to hack your own phone and SIM card??! You can't declare chapter 11 bankruptcy unless you are already rich and do not need too to feed your fucking family.
This is getting scary and you bet in an election year they will do anything to fund those polished ads you see on youtube and on TV paid for by these groups with laws bought in the corporations favor.
I swear if IE 6 didn't have security issues and toolbar installs than Firefox never would have been more than a niche like Opera!
After slowing malware hit computers last decade most users now use other browsers except at work where they think they save money by hiring more staff to put out malware fires from IE 6 all day than to just pay to update their intranet apps!
Acrobat though is still on deaf ears. I switched to Foxit about 2 years ago and never looked back. Anything that executes automatically scares me but I realize most people are not as smart when it comes to computers. Modern IE 10 is fairly secure now.
I image the rootkits will come from Microsoft and Apple though and bypassing all of us. MS has proven otherwise they were happy DRMing the hell out of Vista/Windows 7 to the point where video conferences are blurry at work unless I use HDMI with content protection end to end.