From a system administrator and desktop support angle this also creates a nightmare scenario of breaking client endpoint applications such as SAP or other IE specific websites.
Java 6,7,8, and 9 runtimes are incompatible with each other. Companies want one ancient jre to rule them all. Now the developers have to keep their apps secure BUT use an unpatched JRE or else the customer will find someone else who will. LOL
Gee this is why kids today don't want to learn Java.
So, what else? We could put a nice tool chain on CLANG to support everything that Java can, e.g. Reflection/Introspection/Serialization... but it seems no one is doing that at the moment.
A sanitized C++ running on a VM with optional GC, that would be fine... but I see no one going there.
Or an open source Eiffel... but then again it would be verbose like Java.
On the other hand, image based environments like Smalltalk would be cool, no one is really pushing that either.
So, it looks like we are stuck with Java the next 30 years.
We still use Java6 at work lol. Change for the sake of change is expensive and our Oracle12g based tools and version SQL Developer work best onthat version. Upgrading puts us on a rent like EULA so we can't ever upgrade according to our finance guys. My previous employer just switched to java 7 and will stay there for years to come. All it;s customers have standardized only on Java jre7 for things like certs and code signing so we need an ancient version to make sure their tools work on our machines.
Oracle is deluded enough to think Java is hip and cool still like it's 1999 like we care care about Linux distros. Who actually wants new hip Java releases and actually write opensource software with it today?
No one cares anymore. Only people who use it our crusty old enterprise customers and maybe a freshmen level coursework in intro to object oriented programming. Students leave Java fast for python and javascript and c# and other hipper languages afterwards in this day and age. Just let it die in purgatory with COBOL already. Sun and Oracle killed it.
Easy AMD can use that. The dirty secret is Nvidia wrote DirectX11 and already had a GPU with the code in hardware already to beat AMD or I should say ATI at the time.
Nvidia owns directX as much as MS and need a closed standard to monopolize the market.
Nvidia writes the directX standards. MS rubber stamps it while Nvidia already has it in the hardware to screw over AMD/ATI. It has been like this for awhile
Then explain why ram has increased 200% and GPUs 500%?
Basic supply and demand.
Cases and power supplies keep going
They are also doing wonders meeting new efficiency regulations. Give me a current PSU over an older one any day.
2015 gets you a much better PC then,2018
It really doesn't. It'll only get you a better GPU and a smidgen more RAM. The PC itself is far better in 2018.
I am trying to find the link. Either gamers nexus or Jays2cents on youtube did a comparison. Prices keep going way up on all parts except the CPU. Yes supply and demand but DDR 4 was claimed iphone 8 used same ram by 2017 the problem would be fixed etc... gee no change.
FYI the SEC busted the ram makers before for price fixing. With Trump in charge they know they can do whatever they want as the Chinese are now investigating because they believe in regulation.
I smell a rat and if you remember in 2011 hard drive prices went way up and stayed way up longer after the flood in Thailand cleared. The SEC busted them before prices returned to normal.
You mean a Windows branded VR headset, or all VR headsets in the entire world that can work with Windows?
The problem is you need some beefy hardware. Windows 7 is no longer supported for anything after Skylake hardware. Even Skylake had no Windows 7 support until Dell and HP SCREAMED to support it until 2019 before EOL.
New business laptops do not use the latest 2 intel cpu and chipsets for this reason:-D
Also Nvidia no longer supports Windows 7 32 bit which is the majority of enterprise installs.
I was a senior desktop support analyst. There is no fix. Your data is gone. Another poster said the same thing. I think it maybe close to 50 gigs but Outlook will get flaky very soon.
I HATED PST files as they are were the bane of my existence for any migration from old to new PC. Fail one and you're fired and are very inefficient. One of the great things with the cloud are no more PST files which are good as that data belongs on a server. Not on a PC.... done nitpicking.
Yes. I use a desktop mail client precisely because I like to maintain my own archive. My.PST file is about 22 GB in size at the moment, consuming about 80 cents' worth of disk space at current prices. It doesn't go back to 1999, but it goes back about 12 years.
People are always trying to sell me on everything from IMAP to GMail, telling me how great the experience of using server-side email is compared to Outlook. It's funny, though... whenever somebody needs to know what X said in an email from Y months or years ago, they always come to me.
Dude you need to take care of that.PST file ASAP. After awhile when it gets too big Outlook will corrupt it by writting the latest data wrapped to the begining of the file. You will loose anything.
I have been threatened so many times by furious executives screaming GET ME MY ARCHIVE back to my bosses etc. Outlook 2007 only supports 23 gig and I forgot the limit of the later version.
If you switch to office 365 you can drag the folders to the cloud. I would do so.
According to Bill Joy the father of BSD Unix and author of Vi was the reason it has the modes is he had a 300 baud modem at his home in Berkeley to the Univerisity PDP-8. It was to conserve bandwidth on the very slow connection.
But it beat using ed and cat which would be hard and slow on large files on his terminal and 300 baud speed connection.
He mentioned Emacs must have been great that RMS and others at MIT had fiber connections and powerful hardware at his disposal which he did not have.
If you do app development and are not very old past aged 30 (sarcasm but semi serious in Silcon Valley) you may find Emacs is not so great with integrating and running tools for Android or web development.
If you are a system admin you probably use Vim and have no reason to change.
gcc and gdb too have both gotten a bad wrap after LLVM/Clang came out a few years ago to address issues of error reporting and integration with editors and ides. Other compilers with Atom.io and even Microsoft code with them offer a better development environment than Emacs today.
Really this debate is from the Reagan era as times are changing.
You may want to take a look at what the cool kids use today with electron node.js based editors like Atom.IO and Microsoft Code? There are emacs and vi shortcut packages and the integration and features are amazing and less cumbersome.
Kids today who use node.js electron based editors like MS Code and atom.io can install the VIM add on.
Really emacs and vim are from a different era in time. They only edit text. Emacs does have some limited integration with GDB but one of the reasons for it's decline and the rise of LLVM/CLANG where better error reporting and ide integration.
FreeBSD tends to be more supported and updated. The default ports, documentation, and Clang by default is pretty cool. Only downside is it's a PITA to configure for a desktop and Java is experimental. But it is great for a server with ZFS, dtrace, and jails.
WIne translates win32 to Unix APIs. WSL talks natively to the WIndows kernel. Wine is more of a hack like Linus Torvalds said if you need a win32 app go use Windows in a VM.
Correct. MS could go the way of the dodo^H^H^H^H Sun.
I still remember when we played "Nothing like the Sun" when we got our first couple of Spark Pizza Box workstations... and now we have to fear if Solaris stays afloat and what is happening to Java.
Sun never had the marketshare Windows had. SGI was the darling of Wall Street back then and Windows NT was much cheaper and with Alpha CPUs could outrun the Sun servers and run VC++ and Office. Once AutoCad and then NT domain controllers took over it spelled the end of Sun as Unix was the legacy technology of yesterday right there with VMS.
They created.net core for linux and made it work really well.
My understanding was it was Miguel De Icaza started the Mono project back in 1999 and was eventually hired by Microsoft in 2016 (17 years later). Is there a.net core on Linux not based on Miguel's work? Honestly curious.
Yes
Here is an article I posted here last year. In it includes even binaries to run to run it and add Microsoft as a repository in your apt-get lists from Microsoft's website.
Cygwin is just a DLL kludge that runs on top of the Windows subsystem, Which runs as a subsystem on the NT kernel. Microsoft bought Interix, which is an entire separate POSIX subsystem that runs directly atop the NT kernel, just like Win32.
A kludge that runs on top of Windows isn't the same as an entire subsystem that directly connects to the NT kernel.
Interix was developed by a separate company, Softway Systems, before Microsoft bought it.
Actually this is not the POSIX subsystem. WSL came from the failed WIndows Mobile platform to run native Android apps aka Project Astoria. More information is here.. I could be wrong but MS got rid of the forsaken Interix system many years ago.
WSL is quite good and also some kernel modifications were made for the hooks to make it more like Linux.
WHo modded this up? There has been a trend here in the past 6 months as Cygwin is this sort of great masterpiece of updated well coded software with no issues because it's not from Microsoft.
Reality is its crap. No package manager. Outdated. Worse, it translates and emulates Posix to win32 and vice versa so you get the bugs on both platforms. Some programs won't compile... yes I wrote you need to compile and it won't work and if you are lucky work but have bugs.
In my defense I have not touched it since 2010 but from what I have seen it is like the inverse of WINE. Maybe Wine in an earlier state.
With WSL you run the full distro. You get the full apps. You can do something like apt-get install X just like a real Ubuntu system or Yast2 if you choose SuSE. Everything is native and all the applications just work with no bizarre magic underneath the scenes.
The only thing it lacks is OpenGL and Xorg without major hacks.
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From a system administrator and desktop support angle this also creates a nightmare scenario of breaking client endpoint applications such as SAP or other IE specific websites.
Java 6,7,8, and 9 runtimes are incompatible with each other. Companies want one ancient jre to rule them all. Now the developers have to keep their apps secure BUT use an unpatched JRE or else the customer will find someone else who will. LOL
Gee this is why kids today don't want to learn Java.
What would be an alternative to Java?
C#/.NET? I don't think so.
So, what else? We could put a nice tool chain on CLANG to support everything that Java can, e.g. Reflection/Introspection/Serialization ... but it seems no one is doing that at the moment.
A sanitized C++ running on a VM with optional GC, that would be fine ... but I see no one going there.
Or an open source Eiffel ... but then again it would be verbose like Java.
On the other hand, image based environments like Smalltalk would be cool, no one is really pushing that either.
So, it looks like we are stuck with Java the next 30 years.
I for my part don't mind that.
Easy Erlang the new hip rockstar language
Shrugs shoulders and will keep installing Java6 and java7 JRes for my users.
We still use Java6 at work lol. Change for the sake of change is expensive and our Oracle12g based tools and version SQL Developer work best onthat version. Upgrading puts us on a rent like EULA so we can't ever upgrade according to our finance guys. My previous employer just switched to java 7 and will stay there for years to come. All it;s customers have standardized only on Java jre7 for things like certs and code signing so we need an ancient version to make sure their tools work on our machines.
Oracle is deluded enough to think Java is hip and cool still like it's 1999 like we care care about Linux distros. Who actually wants new hip Java releases and actually write opensource software with it today?
No one cares anymore. Only people who use it our crusty old enterprise customers and maybe a freshmen level coursework in intro to object oriented programming. Students leave Java fast for python and javascript and c# and other hipper languages afterwards in this day and age. Just let it die in purgatory with COBOL already. Sun and Oracle killed it.
Easy AMD can use that. The dirty secret is Nvidia wrote DirectX11 and already had a GPU with the code in hardware already to beat AMD or I should say ATI at the time.
Nvidia owns directX as much as MS and need a closed standard to monopolize the market.
Nvidia writes the directX standards. MS rubber stamps it while Nvidia already has it in the hardware to screw over AMD/ATI. It has been like this for awhile
Then explain why ram has increased 200% and GPUs 500%?
Basic supply and demand.
Cases and power supplies keep going
They are also doing wonders meeting new efficiency regulations. Give me a current PSU over an older one any day.
2015 gets you a much better PC then ,2018
It really doesn't. It'll only get you a better GPU and a smidgen more RAM. The PC itself is far better in 2018.
I am trying to find the link. Either gamers nexus or Jays2cents on youtube did a comparison. Prices keep going way up on all parts except the CPU. Yes supply and demand but DDR 4 was claimed iphone 8 used same ram by 2017 the problem would be fixed etc ... gee no change.
FYI the SEC busted the ram makers before for price fixing. With Trump in charge they know they can do whatever they want as the Chinese are now investigating because they believe in regulation.
I smell a rat and if you remember in 2011 hard drive prices went way up and stayed way up longer after the flood in Thailand cleared. The SEC busted them before prices returned to normal.
You mean a Windows branded VR headset, or all VR headsets in the entire world that can work with Windows?
The problem is you need some beefy hardware. Windows 7 is no longer supported for anything after Skylake hardware. Even Skylake had no Windows 7 support until Dell and HP SCREAMED to support it until 2019 before EOL.
New business laptops do not use the latest 2 intel cpu and chipsets for this reason :-D
Also Nvidia no longer supports Windows 7 32 bit which is the majority of enterprise installs.
I was a senior desktop support analyst. There is no fix. Your data is gone. Another poster said the same thing. I think it maybe close to 50 gigs but Outlook will get flaky very soon.
I HATED PST files as they are were the bane of my existence for any migration from old to new PC. Fail one and you're fired and are very inefficient. One of the great things with the cloud are no more PST files which are good as that data belongs on a server. Not on a PC. ... done nitpicking.
Yes. I use a desktop mail client precisely because I like to maintain my own archive. My .PST file is about 22 GB in size at the moment, consuming about 80 cents' worth of disk space at current prices. It doesn't go back to 1999, but it goes back about 12 years.
People are always trying to sell me on everything from IMAP to GMail, telling me how great the experience of using server-side email is compared to Outlook. It's funny, though... whenever somebody needs to know what X said in an email from Y months or years ago, they always come to me.
Dude you need to take care of that .PST file ASAP. After awhile when it gets too big Outlook will corrupt it by writting the latest data wrapped to the begining of the file. You will loose anything.
I have been threatened so many times by furious executives screaming GET ME MY ARCHIVE back to my bosses etc. Outlook 2007 only supports 23 gig and I forgot the limit of the later version.
If you switch to office 365 you can drag the folders to the cloud. I would do so.
According to Bill Joy the father of BSD Unix and author of Vi was the reason it has the modes is he had a 300 baud modem at his home in Berkeley to the Univerisity PDP-8. It was to conserve bandwidth on the very slow connection.
But it beat using ed and cat which would be hard and slow on large files on his terminal and 300 baud speed connection.
He mentioned Emacs must have been great that RMS and others at MIT had fiber connections and powerful hardware at his disposal which he did not have.
If you do app development and are not very old past aged 30 (sarcasm but semi serious in Silcon Valley) you may find Emacs is not so great with integrating and running tools for Android or web development.
If you are a system admin you probably use Vim and have no reason to change.
gcc and gdb too have both gotten a bad wrap after LLVM/Clang came out a few years ago to address issues of error reporting and integration with editors and ides. Other compilers with Atom.io and even Microsoft code with them offer a better development environment than Emacs today.
Really this debate is from the Reagan era as times are changing.
You may want to take a look at what the cool kids use today with electron node.js based editors like Atom.IO and Microsoft Code? There are emacs and vi shortcut packages and the integration and features are amazing and less cumbersome.
Pft kids today ... get off my lawn you heathen. My gray neckbeard says vi and or emacs are the only editors
Kids today who use node.js electron based editors like MS Code and atom.io can install the VIM add on.
Really emacs and vim are from a different era in time. They only edit text. Emacs does have some limited integration with GDB but one of the reasons for it's decline and the rise of LLVM/CLANG where better error reporting and ide integration.
Then explain why ram has increased 200% and GPUs 500%? Cases and power supplies keep going up as $1500 in 2015 gets you a much better PC then ,2018 :-(
Greed!
Devuan is Debian without selling out to that systemd crap.
Devuan is Debian should be.
At least take a look at it, you might be surprised.
https://devuan.org/
Feb 28, 2018
Quick Look at Devuan Linux
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
FreeBSD tends to be more supported and updated. The default ports, documentation, and Clang by default is pretty cool. Only downside is it's a PITA to configure for a desktop and Java is experimental. But it is great for a server with ZFS, dtrace, and jails.
I just installed Debian from the appstore which was listed as 9.3. Did the update with no problems
Sounds like something to help with our drinking water shortages of late....
Let's get a drillin!
If you RTFA you will see the salty mineral laden composition detected
WIne translates win32 to Unix APIs. WSL talks natively to the WIndows kernel. Wine is more of a hack like Linus Torvalds said if you need a win32 app go use Windows in a VM.
Correct.
MS could go the way of the dodo^H^H^H^H Sun.
I still remember when we played "Nothing like the Sun" when we got our first couple of Spark Pizza Box workstations ... and now we have to fear if Solaris stays afloat and what is happening to Java.
Sun never had the marketshare Windows had. SGI was the darling of Wall Street back then and Windows NT was much cheaper and with Alpha CPUs could outrun the Sun servers and run VC++ and Office. Once AutoCad and then NT domain controllers took over it spelled the end of Sun as Unix was the legacy technology of yesterday right there with VMS.
They created .net core for linux and made it work really well.
My understanding was it was Miguel De Icaza started the Mono project back in 1999 and was eventually hired by Microsoft in 2016 (17 years later). Is there a .net core on Linux not based on Miguel's work? Honestly curious.
Yes
Here is an article I posted here last year. In it includes even binaries to run to run it and add Microsoft as a repository in your apt-get lists from Microsoft's website.
Cygwin is just a DLL kludge that runs on top of the Windows subsystem, Which runs as a subsystem on the NT kernel. Microsoft bought Interix, which is an entire separate POSIX subsystem that runs directly atop the NT kernel, just like Win32.
A kludge that runs on top of Windows isn't the same as an entire subsystem that directly connects to the NT kernel.
Interix was developed by a separate company, Softway Systems, before Microsoft bought it.
Actually this is not the POSIX subsystem. WSL came from the failed WIndows Mobile platform to run native Android apps aka Project Astoria. More information is here.. I could be wrong but MS got rid of the forsaken Interix system many years ago.
WSL is quite good and also some kernel modifications were made for the hooks to make it more like Linux.
I highly doubt that.
WHo modded this up? There has been a trend here in the past 6 months as Cygwin is this sort of great masterpiece of updated well coded software with no issues because it's not from Microsoft.
Reality is its crap. No package manager. Outdated. Worse, it translates and emulates Posix to win32 and vice versa so you get the bugs on both platforms. Some programs won't compile ... yes I wrote you need to compile and it won't work and if you are lucky work but have bugs.
In my defense I have not touched it since 2010 but from what I have seen it is like the inverse of WINE. Maybe Wine in an earlier state.
With WSL you run the full distro. You get the full apps. You can do something like apt-get install X just like a real Ubuntu system or Yast2 if you choose SuSE. Everything is native and all the applications just work with no bizarre magic underneath the scenes.
The only thing it lacks is OpenGL and Xorg without major hacks.
It has everything