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Microsoft Wants To Force Windows 10 Mail Users To Use Edge For Email Links (theverge.com)
Microsoft has revealed today that "we will begin testing a change where links clicked on within the Windows Mail app will open in Microsoft Edge." What this means is that if you have Chrome or Firefox set as your default browser in Windows 10, Microsoft will simply ignore that and force you into Edge when you click a link within the Mail app. The Verge reports: "As always, we look forward to feedback from our WIP community," says Microsoft's Dona Sarkar in a blog post today. I'm sure Microsoft will receive a lot of feedback over this unnecessary change, and we can only hope the company doesn't ignore it.
People use windows mail? Or any dekstop mail app?
Is it 1999 again?
+----------------- | What is the question!
Use a different mail app ... problem solved.
(1) View webmail in a different browser
(2) Install Outlook, which will remain configurable for business reasons
(3) Install Thunderbird or another 3rd party email app
Microsoft Mail is the new Outlook Express, without the charm of a built-in NNTP client...
Now the last 15 mail users will switch to gmail too !
(music notes) Desperado (the song)... please use our product, pleaaseee
>""As always, we look forward to feedback from our WIP community," says Microsoft's Dona Sarkar "
Be careful what you ask for....
Flip the middle finger at your users, AGAIN, for the zillionth time, and expect what? A "thanks, this is great!"?
Seriously, the only thing I am going to trust Win10 with (somewhat) when win7 goes out of service will be gaming. No email, no web-browsing, nada. They can f*** their creepy selves. Instead I will have a clean, trustworthy Linux box for anything non-gaming and a win10 box for gaming only.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
Or just keep running Win 7 -- just don't be stupid and click on links from spy32545434warecle4ner.ru. Some computers are perfectly fine running XP in 2018 as long as they're not used by numpties.
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Or just keep running Win 7 -- just don't be stupid and click on links from spy32545434warecle4ner.ru.
Even when Win 7 goes out of support, it's only support for client programs that really matters. As long as the TCP/IP stack has no holes that can't be firewalled against, there's no reason for Windows updates.
Some computers are perfectly fine running XP in 2018
Alas, Firefox stops support for XP and Vista in June 2018, leaving you with no usable browser. That makes the computer no good for a typical user, although it'd still be useful for that Windows-only $1M medical device.
And, it looks like Windows is rapidly stopping to be the problem. IOT crap, on the other hand...
The creatures outside looked from Alt-Right to Antifa; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
Run an old Firefox -- if sites b!tch about it being insecure, change the UserAgent string as appropriate.
It was a couple decades ago, but I'm 99% sure this is the exact thing they lost an antitrust lawsuit over already (only instead of Edge+Mail it was IE+Explorer.)
" we can only hope the company doesn't ignore it."
Wrong. What you can do is take control of your hardware with an OS that permits it.
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Alas, Firefox stops support for XP and Vista
Which is absurd, not to mention completely ass-backwards.
I have no use for Windows XP, but there is no legitimate technical reason for Firefox not running on XP. in order for Firefox to no longer work on XP Mozilla has to be a compete asshole and deliberately break things.
It's almost as if MS wants to see how much of a sub bitch it can turn its customers into. "You will gag on it and you will choke it down and you *will* like it!"
NO I don't want it! First Edge is broken and does not work correctly. If Microsoft will fix Edge so it doesn't take 40 clicks to save something in a specific folder and stop Edge from using Bing or always trying to guess what I want, in other words let me turn that off, no I mean really turn it off not give me a button to turn it off but still does crap in the background, I mean really be able to turn it off. Then I would give Edge a chance.
Best porn is .ru porn. The "Peggy Peterson Pegs David Dennison at Mar a Lago" clip is an instant classic.
Seriously, the only thing I am going to trust Win10 with (somewhat) when win7 goes out of service will be gaming.
I was recently forced to move to windows 10 because windows virtual reality headsets only work with windows 10. It's not better than windows 7, feels like more of the same really.
my karma will be here long after I'm gone
... all 3 people.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
I like my reality -- I'd rather stay with Win 7 than use a nausea-inducing VR headset with 10.
be free....use linux....
I was looking at my firefox add-ons the other day and realized every one is there to prevent the friggin browser from doing bullshit. Now you have to install a firefox extension just to open a damn blank tab page. Otherwise you are beseiged with pop-up "hints' and logos, and obtrusive shit. I just want a plain jane browser that I control.
What Microsoft is doing makes me cringe. Everytime I sort of start warming up to Microsoft, I'm reminded why I hate them. Firefox is slowly creeping into the same direction. Actuallly not so slowly, they seem to be accelerating bullshit with each new release.
And all the damn hidden stuff in the about:config page will make you tear your hair out, stuff like "sensors" and "beacons" and all kinds of behind the scenes horse shit that they don't tell you about.
Alas, Firefox stops support for XP and Vista
Which is absurd, not to mention completely ass-backwards.
I have no use for Windows XP, but there is no legitimate technical reason for Firefox not running on XP. in order for Firefox to no longer work on XP Mozilla has to be a compete asshole and deliberately break things.
A lot of these programs refuse to run on XP by checking the OS strings via the installer; nothing gets broken, just programmers being criminally stupid. Whoever green lights this shit should be pink-slipped on the spot.
Stupid or greedy, taking payola from M$ to obsolete old systems so they can get everyone into their walled garden?
I don't use the Mail app, but the issue for me is that Windows was always about customizing and using what you want. If that goes away or in any way tries to lock me into a walled garden of apps. I don't have a good reason to use Windows anymore. Does Microsoft not understand this?? You cannot just decide what users will use on their PC's running Windows. Frankly if I am going to be locked into a OS and apps it might as well be a Chromebook because at least the browser works well. In all honesty, Linux is looking better everyday over Windows.
They already did this with Cortana. Remember her? No, probably because anyone who was using her stopped when it started ignoring your default browser and always opens Edge instead.
Microsoft, Apple, Google, Amazon what's the difference? All steal money from devs and control with walled gardens.
Even for games....
I understand that for AAA games Windows is the way to go.
But if you are into the indie game scene, most indie games on Steam also work on Linux.
I also have Windows for gaming only, but currently all the games that I am palying work on Linux.
Thanks Steam.
"...if you have Chrome or Firefox set as your default browser in Windows 10, Microsoft will simply ignore that and force you into Edge when you click a link within the Mail app."
So won't that just make people dump MS Mail? I can't think of a better way to promote OSS.
I'm not familiar with the Windows environment at all, but couldn't one just install let's say Firefox, replace the Edge executable with a batch script of the same name that transposes the Edge args into Firefox args, and then from said script call the Firefox executable with those args?
They have loads of legacy code in their codebase to support XP. Something drastic changed in their hardware-accelerated UI rendering that requires Windows 7 or higher to run. I wish I could remember the details. Someone could fork it and backport security fixes, but wouldn't be able to easily backport new functionality.
... except for gaming. I jumped to the big fruity ship that Apple built. It was that bad on Windows. Now it’s that good on Mac: Office apps with a *nix shell.
Chewbacon
The Bible is like Wikipedia: written by a bunch of people and verifiable by questionable sources.
Version makes no difference, shit about of jeebus we need to have access to office as that is one of the only create documents filled with flabbergasted shit only arse trumpet mishaps as myself are willing to read while etc.
FFS, it is over and has been for some time already, if you need windows for any purpose but that ancient program you used for filling your tax reports get away from that rotting corpse of madness already.
I ask WHY do you use Windows?
In that I am suggesting something is wrong with you and I want you to defend yourself because I know 99% of the shit you will say will be total and complete shit, I gave a leeway to whoever use it for filling their tax reports but they are the only that can be excused (gamers, I do not care a percentage of a percentage as you are of the pc market you should already be aware that game developers will go where the customers are)
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Seriously, Microsoft will keep doing stupid shit like this. And their users will just gobble it up. Because where should you run to?
MacOS? Yeah, because a jail cell does not become less of a jail if you are treated like a prince and wear shackles of gold instead of iron. And you have to pay twice as much for that privilege.
Linux? Desktop is currently in a big state of disrepair ever since Gnome 2 was abandoned, with lots of shit broken and no one caring enough to fix the brokenness. systemd and wayland aren't helping things either. Sure it'll be sorta-kinda awesome eventually... Maybe... But I need it to work today, dammit.
BSD? Slowly shrinking, slowly losing compatibility with all Linux software that matters, as well as less hardware support. Not going to happen.
GNU/HURD? With systemd replacing most of the GNU operating system, and Linux replacing the rest, this system is more dead than Ada Lovelace.
Android desktop? Actually kinda viable, but needs to mature a lot more first.
I seriously wish there was a good enough free(ish) OS out there, but as long as Linux OSes insists on broken shit like systemd, well...
systemd is not an init system. It's a GNU replacement.
I'm not a fan of Windows but at least hear them out. Here is what was said in the blog post.
"For Windows Insiders in the Skip Ahead ring, we will begin testing a change where links clicked on within the Windows Mail app will open in Microsoft Edge, which provides the best, most secure and consistent experience on Windows 10 and across your devices. With built-in features for reading, note-taking, Cortana integration, and easy access to services such as SharePoint and OneDrive, Microsoft Edge enables you to be more productive, organized and creative without sacrificing your battery life or security. As always, we look forward to feedback from our WIP community."
I can understand the change. They are just making their mail app as consistent and seamless as possible. Opening a browser within a mail app, or any app for that matter, is pretty clunky IMO. I always thought when you click a link in Twitter on Android it is annoying. I don't think most people would mind the change and would probably prefer this behavior. If you want to use a different browser, copy the link and past it into the browser you likely already have open. Come to think of it, that's already what I do. When I have to use Windows at work, I never actually click on links within Outlook. I copy the link and paste it into the browsers I use (which is pretty much everything but Edge). I don't even change the default Browser.
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.. nor your preferences.
Fuck them. Use software that does.
This is the OS equivalent of making puppies fly in the overhead bins.
I'm sure the EU will love this.
Prepare your anus, Microsoft, more fines are coming... you never fucking learn, do you?
If Apple didn't have it's own issues, GNU/Linux would be a terrible choice. Linux itself is fine, but a lot of the GNU software seems to be written by unrepentant clowns and supported by professional internet trolls.
I don't use Windows 10 mail, Live Mail, or anything with the words "mail" and "windows" or "microsoft" in the same title. Previously it was because I happen to like the mailer I've been using (in various versions) since the nineties, but now I have an even better reason -- currently, when I click on a link, it opens in Firefox. Or Chrome, whatever one has one's default browser set to.
I understand Microsoft wanting people to use all Microsoft products whenever possible, but I have to wonder -- is this a sign that Edge isn't reaching estimated levels of popularity?
Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
If you're actually using the Windows Store Mail app, Edge is what you deserve for a browser.
piece of shit windows 10 home reboots on its own and kills all my running software. i can't believe I paid for this piece of shit just for games. never again. can't wait to piss on bill gates' grave.
on microsoft computers.
Just play computer games on Windows computers.
Let MS collect data about the fun of playing computer games.
That fast CPU, GPU, their OS and all the computer games.
Move your work to a real OS that respects your privacy.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
You mean: "no legitimate technical reason that I, not being a browser developer, can think of off the top of my head".
Keeping everything running on Windows XP is actually an enormous pain. All kinds of important improvements like faster rendering and more secure sandboxing rely on features that aren't present in XP. To preserve XP compatibility you have to add "if (windowsXP)" code paths (which in some cases means entirely different implementations of large chunks of functionality) and keep testing them, which means bloated and more fragile code as well as lots of extra work.
I'm not certain about their gaming, they've been doing stupid stuff there too if you buy games from their app store. Don't forget the stupidity of Windows for Games Live, whenever they see some other companies monetizing users MS will always jump in and try to grab a piece of the pie too.
You mean a Windows branded VR headset, or all VR headsets in the entire world that can work with Windows?
Note that some AAA games that you could optionally get from the apps store worked worse than the same game purchased a different way. They only sell "Universal Application Platform" apps in their store, and most games aren't built that way and are more traditional apps. There aren't enough AAA games in the Windows app store to know how this is going to play out though, but if history is any indication, Microsoft will screw this up the same way they screwed the pooch with GFWL.
Our company has never fully supported the Win 8 or 10 Mail apps. If it works, fine, but if a user calling in has trouble with it, apart from checking the basic settings, our policy is to assist them in installing Thunderbird as a replacement or to point them towards webmail instead.
Worst. Client. Ever.
This is yet another step in the wrong direction.
Palaces, barricades, threats, meet promises
I want a CPU upgrade for gaming eventually, so that is unfortunately not an option. Otherwise I would probably be doing that.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
I am into both. Hence I basically need that Windows box at least for a part of what I am playing. Otherwise I would go with no Windows at all.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
Indeed. I will avoid the MS app store if at all possible. So far there is nothing available only there that would tempt me.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
I will stay away from the MS app store if at all possible. So far MS never had anything I wanted badly enough. And yes. MS screwing up things is not the exception, it is the expectation.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
This is why I had Microsoft.
It is nice to know that all these Linux users are getting twisted panties over a Windows Beta feature.
Why would you be using a Beta version for your "real" work/life anyway?
What a bunch of Maroons.
I am just not sure if Microsoft or Windows 10 users are going to be the ones cut! Tim S.
Don't care about firefox - I recently found that streaming audio through VLC sounds a whole lot better than through firefox (probably because VLC has an equaliser), so that one little eeePC running XP will continure to provide audio for my kitchen. I've turned off all other network services, and it sits behind the household firewall, so I'm not worried.
They sentenced me to twenty years of boredom
Avoiding dodgy domains doesn't help much...
There is a lot of malicious advertising present on otherwise legitimate sites, legitimate sites also get hacked and configured to spread malware.
http://spamdecoy.net - free throwaway anonymous email - avoid spam!
There will likely be third party builds which still run, there are still third party builds for powerpc macs among other things.
http://spamdecoy.net - free throwaway anonymous email - avoid spam!
Click a link and I promise you it will pop open in Safari.
Which makes since, since games are the only thing that really push the full capabilities of a modern machine to the max.
This is an Excellent idea. It will push people away from MS mail and onto the superior Gmail or GSuite even faster!
What part don't they get that if Edge was good, people would use it?
Hey MS, wake up! Nobody likes your bloated garbage anymore! Why don't you spend more money on improving your products and providing support instead of sales people?
I still can't believe how our conference rooms are full of at least 6 sales people at every meeting, but when we ask for support engineers, we get nothing but crickets and unanswered ticket closures.
Sounds like a street-shitting dot-head.
I could almost see the point in using them as low level coders. They work for peanuts so even if you have to do it twice it's cheaper and by the time the maintenance costs starts to rack up you've got your bonus and moved on.
But now they put the cunts in decision-making positions? Madness!
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Aww...wish I had mod points today.
But not THAT great. I used it exclusively for 6 months just to get a solid feel for it. Edge is definitely a worthy contender. With some patience on the part of MS, it will organically gain greater market share. So far, it deserves it (OSS politics aside). But it shoving down peoples throats? I thought MS was growing out of that flawed marketing ideology. This will not create more Edge users. It will create more Thunderbird users and other alternative email application. As for my own installation of Windows 10. I use Thunderbird and Firefox anyhow.
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Linux? Desktop is currently in a big state of disrepair ever since Gnome 2 was abandoned,
It wasn't abandoned, it just mutated into MATE. MATE is now a stable, better looking version of what Gnome 2 was at its best.
I'm very happy with my Ubuntu 16.04 MATE system, it runs fast and stable on my 10 year old desktop PC, so much so that it hardly seems worth upgrading the hardware. And Ubuntu 18.04 MATE beta looks fine as well.
Windows 8.1 with classic shell really isn't that bad, certainly better than putting up with the crap that is Windows 10, and is supported for a few more years than Windows 7. Check the right settings in Classic Shell and you pretty much never see the start screen, and you only see the Metro interface for a handful of settings as Microsoft couldn't be bothered updating most of them.
You're running Thunderbird (a free software program; a program that respects it's user's freedoms to run, inspect, share, and modify the software) on top of non-free Microsoft Windows (proprietary, user-subjugating software). Microsoft has all the power they need to get your IMAP credentials. If you have Google, Apple, or other proprietary software running on the same system they likely can read your stored credentials or read your keystrokes, mouse clicks, and screen grab whatever they want too. So you've likely already given those credentials away without realizing it.
Windows users have already been through many instances of Microsoft asserting its control over the user: tricking users into switching from Windows 7 to Windows 10, ignoring the so-called privacy settings thus rendering them irrelevant even if set to ostensibly maximize a user's privacy, and so much more. There's simply no sound argument for believing that running any program on Windows or changing any Windows settings in any way will result in making Windows respect a user's choices when they conflict with what Microsoft wants. As with all proprietary software, ultimately the proprietor controls how the software behaves and therefore users only get as much control as the proprietor allows.
If you want to be in more full control over your computing (as one might surmise from the unusual choice to run your own IMAP server), you really should consider switching to a fully-free software OS such as a GNU/Linux system where you install only free software on top of that.
Digital Citizen
Seriously, I trust Micro$haft as far as I can throw the empire state building! Windows has been permanently kicked off all of my computers. Especially after seeing several relatives have to go through the Spyware10 forced upgrades. I managed to roll their computers back to Windows 7, but that only functioned for a short time before it became too corrupted to work at all on each computer. They are all happily running Linux now with no problems.
That's fine for now, but eventually you'll start to run into problems as TLS versions advance and old ones are disabled. Already some older Firefox versions can barely access anything, because they don't support the currently-in-use cipher suites and so many places are using STS so using an SSL-free version of sites isn't viable. Of course, you could start getting fancy and run SSLStrip, but that's really getting to be more effort than it's worth.
Last November or so, Microsoft's web-based e-mail service "upgraded" certain of its customers, adding a new service. This service modified all links in received e-mail, sending them when clicked through a man-in-the-middle Microsoft site at safelinks.protection.outlook.com that checks for bad sites before redirecting to the originally intended site. I noticed this right away and complained to support about it. After the usual run-around through different folks, explanations, plus some escalation, within a week they added a new, internal (not user-visible) setting that would disable this "upgrade", and applied it to my account. This new service is bad on so many levels, but seems typical of Microsoft's "We can make the experience better" without really considering the consequences. To wit:
Use Xfce rather than Gnome and the desktop on Linux is still good. Debian lets you mostly kill off the brokenness of systemd and Slack, Devuan and a few others remove it entirely.
Just say no to Wayland until they face the fact that they deliberately ignored a commonly used feature of X and then lied about X by claiming it never had it.
My email now gets so much junk spam and ads itâ(TM)s useless. âSet up rulesâ(TM)- no. Iâ(TM)m not investing that much time in it.
Iâ(TM)m sure Iâ(TM)m not the only one who feels like this.
What will replace email? And when? Surely someone can imagine something better?
I like my reality -- I'd rather stay with Win 7 than use a nausea-inducing VR headset with 10.
You don't need a VR headset to have a nauseating experience on Win10.
You mean a Windows branded VR headset, or all VR headsets in the entire world that can work with Windows?
The problem is you need some beefy hardware. Windows 7 is no longer supported for anything after Skylake hardware. Even Skylake had no Windows 7 support until Dell and HP SCREAMED to support it until 2019 before EOL.
New business laptops do not use the latest 2 intel cpu and chipsets for this reason :-D
Also Nvidia no longer supports Windows 7 32 bit which is the majority of enterprise installs.
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if we just don't use Windows mail? Can we please get rid of Edge, It is as bad as Bing!
line but they're inventing a new one. Forced data-perv style data-slurping, forced updates, no longer telling you what's in the updates and other things that make you not trust them.