Lets fuck up this SEO troll's game? If another slashdotters respond back to this troll with the following cut and pasted back all his potential customers will see 2 women eating shit and vomiting in each other's mouths. You all have my permission to cute and paste this. Obviously not work safe...
MyCleanPC is a shitty product! There is no crappier product than MyCleanPC.
In actuality this will fuck up the SEO from this scam artist who wrote MYCleanPC.com and counters his slimy spamming advertising MyCleanPC .
If everyone here on slashdot points to other disgusting sites for MyCleanPC, then people searching for malware virus removal with MyCleanPC will have an awful surprise!:-)
If goatse was still around I would have used that sigh.
Lets fuck up this SEO troll's game? If another slashdotters respond back to this troll with the following cut and pasted back all his potential customers will see 2 women eating shit and vomiting in each other's mouths. You all have my permission to cute and paste this. Obviously not work safe...
MyCleanPC is a shitty product! There is no crappier product than MyCleanPC.
In actuality this will fuck up the SEO from this scam artist who wrote MYCleanPC.com and counters his slimy spamming advertising MyCleanPC .
If everyone here on slashdot points to other disgusting sites for MyCleanPC, then people searching for malware virus removal with MyCleanPC will have an awful surprise!:-)
If goatse was still around I would have used that sigh.
If you were paying someone to install kitchen cabinets or fix your roof and you found htem off in a corner playing Farmville on your network on a netbook wouldn't you be a little pieved? Especially if they billed by the hour?
They are at your house to work and leave. Simple as that and that is capitalism 101.
I certainly care. I had to discipline employees before because the owners did not like them going on youtube even if business was slow. Just following orders and if there is shit to do then you need to work. I am not paying you to goof off. Dentist appiontment or something is different. Life happens but people goof off too much in the office as well.
If the company or organization puts a document on the world wide web it is generally asusmed it is meant for public consumption. Perfectly legit right? If they did not want it public it would not be on the internet duh.
The threats from the business perspective are lawsuit and liability prevention. Monitoring keystrokes and setting proxies to accomplish makes this easier and is the real reason. Not security.
I hate to break it to you but employers are under tremendous pressure to limit liability for sexual harasement and hostile work environment lawsuits. Worse other torts can still open you for liability as a slick lawyer can argue that the fact the employer didn't monitor all IP traffic must mean they are negligent! Hmm your honor what are they hiding?
It sucks but ass covering makes HR and the legal departments happy. If you do not like this then start your own company or work small business. Besides as others have pointed out it is the price to pay in order to get a paycheck. Your employer wants you to work even if studies show a 10 minute break 3x a day helps productivity they really do not care and want a machine.
Just suck it up or browse on your phone. Everyone but the tiniest shops all do this.
To use them just log into your Windows 8 device with your corporate email address and Exchange 2012 will take care of the rest as evident above. It will 1. Load your enterprise apps 2. Your corporate Policies 3. Even your desktop settings at work
When you are done you log off and into your regular Hotmail username and the policy and restrictions go away. I love that option as my opinion of Active Directory and whole infrastructure of locking things doesn't scale down to mobile users (including laptops) that well. For example if the executive or sales person on the road needs to hook up the hotel printer to print his flight iternery he is screwed if you have an AD policy with a lock on userData in his profile. AD is designed static with the idea that the PC will be on a physical LAN in an office never moved. This solution locks it only when he logs in and he or she can log out and then install the printer driver or app you want and they are more isolated and wont mess with each other because of the walled garden.
I am not saying I love METRO or think this is a great idea, but I see the logical MS is using after hearing angry sales guys on the road who have to drive to an office to plug their laptops in to get AV updates. Ridiculous!
If previous reports of >$80 for OEM WinRT are correct, only Microsoft can reasonably afford to build low end Windows RT tablets, as the $80 becomes prohibitive software cost for low end tablets (where WinRT will compete). For Microsoft it is just inter-divisional funny money.
How do HW OEMs compete with a $200 Kindle Fire (or rumored Google Branded $200 tablet) when saddled with $80+ OS?
The answer is Android.
Keep it up Microsoft and you wont have any tablets left as the OEMs will just have laptops with Win RT on x86 and Android tablets.
The reason OS/2 failed was because OEMs didn't want to support a competitor.
With MS doing this and charging licensing fees it will only make companies like Asus prefer Andriod tablets instead. No one wants competitors and to invest a lot of money and therefore risk to help someone who is actively stealing customers out.
MS is turning into IBM of old in many ways. A former monopolist who lost its way after being cocky with new lower cost competitors while it focuses on bigger machines. The desktops and workstation are the mainframes of old in this parallel. We all remember what happened next and how IBM is not even in the PC market it created.
That is a relief. Most slashdotters here who have worked in the medical field all tell similiar stories of IE 6 or IE 5.5 on Windows 2000 still.
I assumed all the intranet apps still required XP SP 2 and IE 6 because of medical testing and the fact that it is expensive to replace equipment so why change?
I wont say the names here publically. But one is a chain with 7 or 8 locations all on the west coast. I came in for a PC Refresh project too. All new hardware for a new EPIC medical database. But the equipment and service agreements stipulated that we run IE 6 or we get no support.
They encrpyt the hard drives so nothing gets out and has MAC access controls to the server room, yet leave Adobe 7 (forgot the version), XP SP 2, and IE 6 for the employers to browse the open internet with no sandbox.
All the hospitals I worked on still use IE 6 and XP SP 2 which has not had an update in over 2 years with +100 exploits. With that and some of the most top IT and well paid infrastructures in the industry I can't see how anything could go wrong?
Doing my own searches for key terms that (don't want to reference it)is the top and rapidly rising with the other keywords. Apparently his schemes are working and it looks like he bought tons of bad pools or server farms which just repeat the same keywords over and over again.
That link is the 2nd most disgusting thing besides Goatse and I am sick and tired of that Mycleanx troll (wont say it as it will increase his SEO and page ranking.
The only way we can stop that dipshit is to lower his Google ranking or the more he spams the more we will bring troll sites for his potential customers instead.
Just take my lead and fuck up his SEO job which will piss off his customers.
Two can play at this game.
Lets fuck up his SEO game. If another slashdotters respond back to this troll with the following cut and pasted back all his potential customers will see 2 women eating shit and vomiting in each other's mouths. You all have my permission. Obviously not work safe...
This will fuck up the SEO from this scam artist who wrote MYCleanPC.com and counters his slimy spamming advertising MyCleanPC.
If everyone here on slashdot points to other disgusting sites for MyCleanPC, then people searching for malware virus removal with MyCleanPCwill have an awful surprise!:-)
If goatse was still around I would have used that sigh:-(
That Intel processor in your machine is not a CISC processor anymore. It merely takes ancient 8086 cisc instructions and internally translates them into RISC ones. THis is how the Pentium Pro became a true competitive beast to PowerPC in the 1990s. Sadly it also means you can't touch the hardware anymore if you write assembly as it simply translates them into risc.
Also the icore series can predict the next instruction before it is even loaded and use math tricks to do the work guessing with compiler optimizations without actually loading the instruction in to compensate the 1/30th. THis is how Intel is killing AMD as well which its own branch prediction can't accurately guess the next set of instructions and execute them before they even load. THis is why a lot of extra bandwidth shoes little performance gain unless it is a server with a large load.
Lets fuck up his SEO game. If another slashdotters respond back to this troll with the following cut and pasted back all his potential customers will see 2 women eating shit and vomiting in each other's mouths. You all have my permission. Obviously not work safe...
In actuality this will fuck up the SEO from this scam artist who wrote MYCleanPC.com and counters his slimy spamming advertising MyCleanPC.
If everyone here on slashdot points to other disgusting sites for MyCleanPC, then people searching for malware virus removal with MyCleanPC will have an awful surprise!:-)
If goatse was still around I would have used that sigh.
Go to www.slashdot.org in IE and then click the button next to the arrow for compatiblity mode? See that? That is what slashdot.org looks like in standards CSS and html in IE 7 mode.
The divs where the links on the left are all over the place. To get it to work requires special CSS sheets with IE 6 specific rules to tell it where to layout etc. This requires extra work and shows standard HTML works in all but old IE.
The box model that W3C interprets was made after IE 6 was already in development. CSS was really new and no one used it besides for a simple style of font size or something dumb. This was in 2001 when web 1.0 ruled keep in mind.
The rest are just bugs and dumb things like using doubles instead of floats to store pixel and decimals of data that lead to rounding errors in IE 6. IE 7 fixed some but they were so far behind they couldn't fix all. Microsoft admitted IE 6 was so insecure that it was paramount to not let hackers in first and we can fix the rest of the bugs in IE 8.
IE 10 is already RC and I am surprised slashdot didn't mention... ok maybe not:-)
I think yearly release cycles are the best and I left Mozilla after the 6 week upgrade fiasco. Even yesterday I started getting all sorts of errors as FF was updated to 13 and Foxit PDF reader was more dated and I use it as a plugin.
It is more hell with corporate apps. My great hope is now that IE follows standards again that a newer browser wont bring hell like it did in the past. Many corporations are terrified to update it as a result of these bugs and standards changing.
Yes IE will be outdated for a year right before its new release but a year is not so bad. 6 years! Now that is a different story altogether.
Didn't IE 5 invent AJAX, dynamic html, and RSS or activeDesktop or whatever they call it? I started taking IE serious around 5.0 after 4 was conceivable equal.
Regardless point B. states one is better than the other. I get into flamewars with folks saying IE 9 SUCKS! It is no different than 6.
They then point to some internet benchmarks and show IE 9 lacks some things. That doesnt mean it sucks. It just means it doesn't get updated every 6 weeks bla bla bla.
I hated IE back then but started using it around 2001 when the writting was on the wall. IE 6 was a better browser and hated the fact. But the web worked in it and didn't misrender and Netscape was not coming back. Yes I got hacked with it and had to reinstall XP with extra security settings when using IE 6.
I did so out of choice as it was the only browser that supported CSS. It did AJAX and was ahead. Not because the blue E was on the taskbar. I kept Mozilla only because it was the only game in town in Linux.
Firefox was not ready until 2005 before I could dump IE 6 and by then I was happy to do so. IE was just better before it was left to rot. The fact that IE has less than 50% marketshare and is declining still shows the bundling is not why it won.
You are right and that pissed me off at the times too.
However, Netscape still trailed on until it became outdated and bad. 1997 was the year IE truly became better and Navigator was stuck at 4.5/6/7 until its death in 2003. It stagnated for 6 years!
IE got better and better.
Hmmm sounds familiar. An old non standard compliant browser that is outdated sees a new competitor? IE 6 became the new Netscape and Firefox the new IE. Just like before it took 6 years to overun it. It was not just bundling. I tried to use Netscape as I used Linux but it was an inferior browser to IE 6 in the early 2000s. It wasn't until 2005 before I switched to Firefox full time.
I have a whole book on this topic with CSS seriously. The layout model is buggy, IE 6 will wrap text and sometimes boxes together, Ie 6/7 will put double margins. If you specify a pixel based layout old IE will use doubles to store the data leading to rounding errors, while other browsers store them in floats that dont have this problem. This leads to spacing differences as well.
I am not a hardcore developer and just learning. Modern browsers can cut your workload in half with cool features that you do not have to imitate with Adobe Photoshop due to the lack of feature X. That saves A TON of time.
You can have them degrade gracefully only if IE 6 and IE 7 followed the current W3C standards in which they don't. IE 6 was not bad when it came out but the way the standards moved since 2001 was not how IE 6 and sometimes 7 do things.
Yes, something that is more time means you need to charge more. Time = money. The ones you hire from already charge you extra and I bet if you told them to halt IE 6 and 7 they would give you a discount. You just do not realize it.
I am not saying this to bash IE out of ideology, but rather the facts. You can't have something smooth and complex like www.arstechnica.com work easily in IE 6 without major expensive effort and lots of hacks and tricks on a old browser.
I am working on a site with many of these users as it is corporate oriented. I am thinking of charging more as I do not have time to downgrade that damn thing for free and hurt those who see IT as an investment rather than an expense.
You do need to charge more for their time or you wont get anyone good and why should they work for free over a certain amount? If you needed a home renovation and you had outdated electrical wiring discovered that needed to be replaced before you add the extra room with more outlets what would the contractor do?
Think he would say, well arth1, you said $10,000 so thats what is it. I will pay for an electrician to come rip out the walls on my own watch because I am greateful to serve you and work?? Hell no. He would say wow, I am sorry but if you need new wiring it will cost you $2,000 more for an electrician and for me to hire a buddy to rip out the current wiring in the walls. It is outdated etc.
Same concept as you are not making the same web 1.0 crap on IE 6 anymore.
Slashdot Mirror
Lets fuck up this SEO troll's game? If another slashdotters respond back to this troll with the following cut and pasted back all his potential customers will see 2 women eating shit and vomiting in each other's mouths. You all have my permission to cute and paste this. Obviously not work safe ...
MyCleanPC is a shitty product! There is no crappier product than MyCleanPC.
In actuality this will fuck up the SEO from this scam artist who wrote MYCleanPC.com and counters his slimy spamming advertising MyCleanPC .
If everyone here on slashdot points to other disgusting sites for MyCleanPC, then people searching for malware virus removal with MyCleanPC will have an awful surprise! :-)
If goatse was still around I would have used that sigh.
Lets fuck up this SEO troll's game? If another slashdotters respond back to this troll with the following cut and pasted back all his potential customers will see 2 women eating shit and vomiting in each other's mouths. You all have my permission to cute and paste this. Obviously not work safe ...
MyCleanPC is a shitty product! There is no crappier product than MyCleanPC.
In actuality this will fuck up the SEO from this scam artist who wrote MYCleanPC.com and counters his slimy spamming advertising MyCleanPC .
If everyone here on slashdot points to other disgusting sites for MyCleanPC, then people searching for malware virus removal with MyCleanPC will have an awful surprise! :-)
If goatse was still around I would have used that sigh.
Wouldn't you?
If you were paying someone to install kitchen cabinets or fix your roof and you found htem off in a corner playing Farmville on your network on a netbook wouldn't you be a little pieved? Especially if they billed by the hour?
They are at your house to work and leave. Simple as that and that is capitalism 101.
I certainly care. I had to discipline employees before because the owners did not like them going on youtube even if business was slow. Just following orders and if there is shit to do then you need to work. I am not paying you to goof off. Dentist appiontment or something is different. Life happens but people goof off too much in the office as well.
If the company or organization puts a document on the world wide web it is generally asusmed it is meant for public consumption. Perfectly legit right? If they did not want it public it would not be on the internet duh.
The threats from the business perspective are lawsuit and liability prevention. Monitoring keystrokes and setting proxies to accomplish makes this easier and is the real reason. Not security.
I hate to break it to you but employers are under tremendous pressure to limit liability for sexual harasement and hostile work environment lawsuits. Worse other torts can still open you for liability as a slick lawyer can argue that the fact the employer didn't monitor all IP traffic must mean they are negligent! Hmm your honor what are they hiding?
It sucks but ass covering makes HR and the legal departments happy. If you do not like this then start your own company or work small business. Besides as others have pointed out it is the price to pay in order to get a paycheck. Your employer wants you to work even if studies show a 10 minute break 3x a day helps productivity they really do not care and want a machine.
Just suck it up or browse on your phone. Everyone but the tiniest shops all do this.
MS does have these enterprise tools handy and available.
Just like Apple's and Blackberry's tools.
To use them just log into your Windows 8 device with your corporate email address and Exchange 2012 will take care of the rest as evident above. It will
1. Load your enterprise apps
2. Your corporate Policies
3. Even your desktop settings at work
When you are done you log off and into your regular Hotmail username and the policy and restrictions go away. I love that option as my opinion of Active Directory and whole infrastructure of locking things doesn't scale down to mobile users (including laptops) that well. For example if the executive or sales person on the road needs to hook up the hotel printer to print his flight iternery he is screwed if you have an AD policy with a lock on userData in his profile. AD is designed static with the idea that the PC will be on a physical LAN in an office never moved. This solution locks it only when he logs in and he or she can log out and then install the printer driver or app you want and they are more isolated and wont mess with each other because of the walled garden.
I am not saying I love METRO or think this is a great idea, but I see the logical MS is using after hearing angry sales guys on the road who have to drive to an office to plug their laptops in to get AV updates. Ridiculous!
If previous reports of >$80 for OEM WinRT are correct, only Microsoft can reasonably afford to build low end Windows RT tablets, as the $80 becomes prohibitive software cost for low end tablets (where WinRT will compete). For Microsoft it is just inter-divisional funny money.
How do HW OEMs compete with a $200 Kindle Fire (or rumored Google Branded $200 tablet) when saddled with $80+ OS?
The answer is Android.
Keep it up Microsoft and you wont have any tablets left as the OEMs will just have laptops with Win RT on x86 and Android tablets.
The reason OS/2 failed was because OEMs didn't want to support a competitor.
With MS doing this and charging licensing fees it will only make companies like Asus prefer Andriod tablets instead. No one wants competitors and to invest a lot of money and therefore risk to help someone who is actively stealing customers out.
MS is turning into IBM of old in many ways. A former monopolist who lost its way after being cocky with new lower cost competitors while it focuses on bigger machines. The desktops and workstation are the mainframes of old in this parallel. We all remember what happened next and how IBM is not even in the PC market it created.
That is a relief. Most slashdotters here who have worked in the medical field all tell similiar stories of IE 6 or IE 5.5 on Windows 2000 still.
I assumed all the intranet apps still required XP SP 2 and IE 6 because of medical testing and the fact that it is expensive to replace equipment so why change?
I wont say the names here publically. But one is a chain with 7 or 8 locations all on the west coast. I came in for a PC Refresh project too. All new hardware for a new EPIC medical database. But the equipment and service agreements stipulated that we run IE 6 or we get no support.
They encrpyt the hard drives so nothing gets out and has MAC access controls to the server room, yet leave Adobe 7 (forgot the version), XP SP 2, and IE 6 for the employers to browse the open internet with no sandbox.
All the hospitals I worked on still use IE 6 and XP SP 2 which has not had an update in over 2 years with +100 exploits. With that and some of the most top IT and well paid infrastructures in the industry I can't see how anything could go wrong?
Doing my own searches for key terms that (don't want to reference it)is the top and rapidly rising with the other keywords. Apparently his schemes are working and it looks like he bought tons of bad pools or server farms which just repeat the same keywords over and over again.
Oh come on moderators.
That link is the 2nd most disgusting thing besides Goatse and I am sick and tired of that Mycleanx troll (wont say it as it will increase his SEO and page ranking.
The only way we can stop that dipshit is to lower his Google ranking or the more he spams the more we will bring troll sites for his potential customers instead.
Just take my lead and fuck up his SEO job which will piss off his customers.
Two can play at this game.
Lets fuck up his SEO game. If another slashdotters respond back to this troll with the following cut and pasted back all his potential customers will see 2 women eating shit and vomiting in each other's mouths. You all have my permission. Obviously not work safe ...
Shit eaters use MyCleanPC. MyCleanPC is a shitty product!
This will fuck up the SEO from this scam artist who wrote MYCleanPC.com and counters his slimy spamming advertising MyCleanPC.
If everyone here on slashdot points to other disgusting sites for MyCleanPC, then people searching for malware virus removal with MyCleanPCwill have an awful surprise! :-)
If goatse was still around I would have used that sigh :-(
Risc won.
That Intel processor in your machine is not a CISC processor anymore. It merely takes ancient 8086 cisc instructions and internally translates them into RISC ones. THis is how the Pentium Pro became a true competitive beast to PowerPC in the 1990s. Sadly it also means you can't touch the hardware anymore if you write assembly as it simply translates them into risc.
Also the icore series can predict the next instruction before it is even loaded and use math tricks to do the work guessing with compiler optimizations without actually loading the instruction in to compensate the 1/30th. THis is how Intel is killing AMD as well which its own branch prediction can't accurately guess the next set of instructions and execute them before they even load. THis is why a lot of extra bandwidth shoes little performance gain unless it is a server with a large load.
Two can play at this game.
Lets fuck up his SEO game. If another slashdotters respond back to this troll with the following cut and pasted back all his potential customers will see 2 women eating shit and vomiting in each other's mouths. You all have my permission. Obviously not work safe ...
In actuality this will fuck up the SEO from this scam artist who wrote MYCleanPC.com and counters his slimy spamming advertising MyCleanPC.
If everyone here on slashdot points to other disgusting sites for MyCleanPC, then people searching for malware virus removal with MyCleanPC will have an awful surprise! :-)
If goatse was still around I would have used that sigh.
Want to know what it will look like?
Go to www.slashdot.org in IE and then click the button next to the arrow for compatiblity mode? See that? That is what slashdot.org looks like in standards CSS and html in IE 7 mode.
The divs where the links on the left are all over the place. To get it to work requires special CSS sheets with IE 6 specific rules to tell it where to layout etc. This requires extra work and shows standard HTML works in all but old IE.
MS did not choose to make it incompatible.
The box model that W3C interprets was made after IE 6 was already in development. CSS was really new and no one used it besides for a simple style of font size or something dumb. This was in 2001 when web 1.0 ruled keep in mind.
The rest are just bugs and dumb things like using doubles instead of floats to store pixel and decimals of data that lead to rounding errors in IE 6. IE 7 fixed some but they were so far behind they couldn't fix all. Microsoft admitted IE 6 was so insecure that it was paramount to not let hackers in first and we can fix the rest of the bugs in IE 8.
MS is switching to an annual release cycle.
IE 10 is already RC and I am surprised slashdot didn't mention ... ok maybe not :-)
I think yearly release cycles are the best and I left Mozilla after the 6 week upgrade fiasco. Even yesterday I started getting all sorts of errors as FF was updated to 13 and Foxit PDF reader was more dated and I use it as a plugin.
It is more hell with corporate apps. My great hope is now that IE follows standards again that a newer browser wont bring hell like it did in the past. Many corporations are terrified to update it as a result of these bugs and standards changing.
Yes IE will be outdated for a year right before its new release but a year is not so bad. 6 years! Now that is a different story altogether.
Didn't IE 5 invent AJAX, dynamic html, and RSS or activeDesktop or whatever they call it? I started taking IE serious around 5.0 after 4 was conceivable equal.
Regardless point B. states one is better than the other. I get into flamewars with folks saying IE 9 SUCKS! It is no different than 6.
They then point to some internet benchmarks and show IE 9 lacks some things. That doesnt mean it sucks. It just means it doesn't get updated every 6 weeks bla bla bla.
I hated IE back then but started using it around 2001 when the writting was on the wall. IE 6 was a better browser and hated the fact. But the web worked in it and didn't misrender and Netscape was not coming back. Yes I got hacked with it and had to reinstall XP with extra security settings when using IE 6.
I did so out of choice as it was the only browser that supported CSS. It did AJAX and was ahead. Not because the blue E was on the taskbar. I kept Mozilla only because it was the only game in town in Linux.
Firefox was not ready until 2005 before I could dump IE 6 and by then I was happy to do so. IE was just better before it was left to rot. The fact that IE has less than 50% marketshare and is declining still shows the bundling is not why it won.
You are right and that pissed me off at the times too.
However, Netscape still trailed on until it became outdated and bad. 1997 was the year IE truly became better and Navigator was stuck at 4.5/6/7 until its death in 2003. It stagnated for 6 years!
IE got better and better.
Hmmm sounds familiar. An old non standard compliant browser that is outdated sees a new competitor? IE 6 became the new Netscape and Firefox the new IE. Just like before it took 6 years to overun it. It was not just bundling. I tried to use Netscape as I used Linux but it was an inferior browser to IE 6 in the early 2000s. It wasn't until 2005 before I switched to Firefox full time.
Not hard?
I have a whole book on this topic with CSS seriously. The layout model is buggy, IE 6 will wrap text and sometimes boxes together, Ie 6/7 will put double margins. If you specify a pixel based layout old IE will use doubles to store the data leading to rounding errors, while other browsers store them in floats that dont have this problem. This leads to spacing differences as well.
I am not a hardcore developer and just learning. Modern browsers can cut your workload in half with cool features that you do not have to imitate with Adobe Photoshop due to the lack of feature X. That saves A TON of time.
You can have them degrade gracefully only if IE 6 and IE 7 followed the current W3C standards in which they don't. IE 6 was not bad when it came out but the way the standards moved since 2001 was not how IE 6 and sometimes 7 do things.
Yes, something that is more time means you need to charge more. Time = money. The ones you hire from already charge you extra and I bet if you told them to halt IE 6 and 7 they would give you a discount. You just do not realize it.
I am not saying this to bash IE out of ideology, but rather the facts. You can't have something smooth and complex like www.arstechnica.com work easily in IE 6 without major expensive effort and lots of hacks and tricks on a old browser.
Do you charge them more?
I am working on a site with many of these users as it is corporate oriented. I am thinking of charging more as I do not have time to downgrade that damn thing for free and hurt those who see IT as an investment rather than an expense.
You do need to charge more for their time or you wont get anyone good and why should they work for free over a certain amount? If you needed a home renovation and you had outdated electrical wiring discovered that needed to be replaced before you add the extra room with more outlets what would the contractor do?
Think he would say, well arth1, you said $10,000 so thats what is it. I will pay for an electrician to come rip out the walls on my own watch because I am greateful to serve you and work?? Hell no. He would say wow, I am sorry but if you need new wiring it will cost you $2,000 more for an electrician and for me to hire a buddy to rip out the current wiring in the walls. It is outdated etc.
Same concept as you are not making the same web 1.0 crap on IE 6 anymore.