Slashdot Mirror
Banking On Your Personal Online Data
snydeq writes "While privacy groups are working to lock away your personal data, a better — or perhaps supplementary — option may be to let you sell it for what it's really worth. 'Whether it's Facebook, Twitter, Google Drive, or Pinterest, the truth is the product is you — all that data about you used to target ads and sales pitches. It's hardly a new business model — it's how trade publications have made their money for decades — but in the online world all that information is easily stolen, traded, and spread. ... If the data has value — and we know it does — its creators (you and me) should be paid for it. And if we take over the selling of our data, all those companies using it now have to respect us and abide by our standards.'"
And if we take over the selling of our data, all those companies using it now have to respect us and abide by our standards.
Uh, no they don't. This isn't magicalhippieland.
...its creators ... should be paid for it.
So you think you should pay for data created by businesses (eg, football scores, integrated circuit pinouts, instruction sets, financial statements)? You believe in copyright on information and data rather than just on creative expression?
Warning: this article may contain humor, sarcasm, parody, and perhaps even irony. Read at your own risk.
sounds like those pre dotcom bubble firms who allegedly would pay you to surf the web. Of course it didn't work then and it won't work now.
When you sign up for these services, you're already tendering your personal information. The agreement is "you let me use this service, and I'll provide you with X information." Yes, it isn't an explicit agreement, but we all know how this works now.
Like any commodity, your price is set by demand. Saying you want to sell your information for cash is fine, but when the price is already set by the fact there are millions of others signing up to the service for free then your bargaining posture is pretty weak.
But we are being paid for it. With google's services, for instance. Our product is our information and I think Google pays us handsomely for it with their search engine alone.
Have we learned nothing from the evil corporate empires that feed us our culture in click-wrapped agreements? Don't sell your personal data... license it! And sue the bastards to death if they share it with anyone else!
What do you mean they cut the power? How can they cut the power, man? They're animals!
"Our social space online has moved from the public square to the shopping mall.
From the public sphere where we can fight for our rights and influence the laws and bylaws that govern our conduct, where we can engage in civil disobedience when we oppose the rules, to the private sphere, where we have no rights, and can be expelled and excluded at the pleasure of the private owners of the platforms.
Today, if somebody is hosting content that somebody else objects to, that content is not likely to be hosted by a server they control, but rather by a commercial social platform. Such content can be removed with no due process, with no recognition of the rights and liberties of both parties, simply the unilaterally imposed rules of the platform operator.
In the case that the content is controversial, and the objecting party is powerful, the operator has strong incentive to remove it, and very little incentive to put themselves at risk to keep the content online.
The powerful interest that wish to control content online no longer need coersive laws to do so, they simply need co-operation from the platform owners. Such co-operation is happily provided by most operators, and is often even a precondition of their financing.
Commercialization has made online rights irrelevant
The world where “anyone, anywhere may express his or her beliefs, no matter how singular, without fear of being coerced into silence or conformity” can not exist on Facebook, and can not be built by capital."
- @dmytri
What are the two factors that make telephone companies stupid, evil and bureaucratic? Billing and regulation. With Facebook, Gmail, Flickr, etc., we've lucked into a world with no billing (advertising pays), and not too much regulation.
snydeq's proposal seems to open the way to a world where the money flow takes on a life of its own (huge departments keeping track of who gets what), with an inevitable regulatory tidal wave sweeping in soon after the first agreement is signed.
What would be scary is how little I may be valued. I'm not buying a car soon, I can't drink alcohol, and I am socially inept with zero spending on Cialis. It seems like the MLB should stop me watching the World Series for free.
This is the bloody greatest advertising spam comment I've seen, ever.
10/10, would read again.
Lets fuck up this SEO troll's game? If another slashdotters respond back to this troll with the following cut and pasted back all his potential customers will see 2 women eating shit and vomiting in each other's mouths. You all have my permission to cute and paste this. Obviously not work safe ...
MyCleanPC is a shitty product! There is no crappier product than MyCleanPC.
In actuality this will fuck up the SEO from this scam artist who wrote MYCleanPC.com and counters his slimy spamming advertising MyCleanPC .
If everyone here on slashdot points to other disgusting sites for MyCleanPC, then people searching for malware virus removal with MyCleanPC will have an awful surprise! :-)
If goatse was still around I would have used that sigh.
http://saveie6.com/
Lets fuck up this SEO troll's game? If another slashdotters respond back to this troll with the following cut and pasted back all his potential customers will see 2 women eating shit and vomiting in each other's mouths. You all have my permission to cute and paste this. Obviously not work safe ...
MyCleanPC is a shitty product! There is no crappier product than MyCleanPC.
In actuality this will fuck up the SEO from this scam artist who wrote MYCleanPC.com and counters his slimy spamming advertising MyCleanPC .
If everyone here on slashdot points to other disgusting sites for MyCleanPC, then people searching for malware virus removal with MyCleanPC will have an awful surprise! :-)
If goatse was still around I would have used that sigh.
http://saveie6.com/
Just because you enter into an implicit agreement, doesn't mean you are getting a fair deal.
What's 'your' data worth in the markets of the intertubes? How do I know I shouldn't have held out for more than access to so-called free services offered?
'nuff said.
Lets fuck up this SEO troll's game? If another slashdotters respond back to this troll with the following cut and pasted back all his potential customers will see 2 women eating shit and vomiting in each other's mouths. You all have my permission to cute and paste this. Obviously not work safe ...
MyCleanPC is a shitty product! There is no crappier product than MyCleanPC.
In actuality this will fuck up the SEO from this scam artist who wrote MYCleanPC.com and counters his slimy spamming advertising MyCleanPC .
If everyone here on slashdot points to other disgusting sites for MyCleanPC, then people searching for malware virus removal with MyCleanPC will have an awful surprise! :-)
If goatse was still around I would have used that sigh.
http://saveie6.com/
goatse is now at goatse.info, just FYI
C|N>K
The guy's intention is to get as many mention of "mcpc" as possible to push it in front of SEO listing
Do not repeat that "mcpc" !!
Do not fall for his game !!!
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
Here's some even worse stuff... just in case you need ammo
http://ftw.generation.no/?n=627
http://www.zentastic.com/videos/bmevideo-trailer.wmv
http://www.zentastic.com/videos/bmevideo-trailer-2.wmv
http://www.zentastic.com/videos/bmevideo-3.wmv
(genital dissection vids, prolapseing, gay group, etc.)
Because I get *sick and tired* of forum spammers...
C|N>K
Much of the content online is basically underwritten by display ad networks. Without serving ads these sites would need to charge directly to pay their authors and hosting fees.
And if we take over the selling of our data, all those companies using it now have to respect us and abide by our standards.
That's adorable. You think corporations respect you. Nothing could be further from the truth. You are a means to an end, nothing more. Specifically, money. They'll do anything for money, and since they have way more of it than you, it's you that will be going to them for everything, not the other way around. You want that cell phone? Surrender your personal data. Car? Personal data, please. Internet access? Groceries? Housing? Furniture?
Capitalism without restraint leads to depotism.
#fuckbeta #iamslashdot #dicemustdie
The saddest part about your personal information--your privacy--being bought and sold by third parties is that it is not, actually, worth very much. The way corporations like Google or Facebook make it worthwhile is they sell TENS OF MILLIONS of potential customers at a time. Even if one did take control of the market for their own personal info how much do you think you could make? A few cents a transaction maybe? A couple of bucks tops if you're in a really coveted demographic? The true amount is probably a fraction of a fraction of cent. Worth it?
You forgot one thing...
Installing MyCleanPC, and the subsequent ass-raping your PC will receive, is vastly more preferable than the mental-ass-raping you will receive by watching 2 girls 1 cup.
Thank you very much. I had almost forgotten about that travesty on the net. Thanks for freshening up those wounds for me.
I swear that MyCleanPC is a piece of shit, MyCleanPC smells so bad that even shit smells better.
Nothing but MyCleanPC can claim the first prize for the most lousiest piece of crap ever created.
I repeat, MyCleanPC is a piece of crap !!!
And I am not kidding !!
I swear that MyCleanPC is a piece of shit, MyCleanPC smells so bad that even shit smells better.
Nothing but MyCleanPC can claim the first prize for the most lousiest piece of crap ever created.
I repeat, MyCleanPC is a piece of crap !!!
And I am not kidding !!
MyCleanPC is really really a lousy fucking piece of crap !!
Take Facebook for example, we struck a bargain for their services, they then broke that bargain and reduced the privacy level. You get committed to a service like FB, and there is a penalty to you for leaving it. All that data, all those contacts were trusted with FB.
So when FB screw you over, you have to bend over and take it.
So it's not like a "service for loss of privacy" contract, it's more a scam-artist approach.
I'll happily share anything and everything advertisers want to know about me if I could ever just get ads that were relevant to me. As an example, Hulu gave me ads for diapers, Charter Cable Internet, and Gucci Cologne in the last show I watched. Charter isn't in my area, I hate kids (and I'm gay so the odds of an accidental one are near zero), and I buy unscented everything. Facebook's targeted ads are just as awful. I mean, its like no one wants my money. And with no wife or kids and my own business I have plenty of it to spend.
Just a note, it looks like the links in the comments all have the rel="nofollow" attribute added, and therefore carry no weight in Google, and probably other search engines so unfortunately people searching for MyCleanPC won't get a nasty surprise!
You're already being paid for your personal information.
You're being paid with access to Farmville, or other Facebook features, or whatever.
I thought this was obvious to everyone.
Dude that can't be real! Holy crap!
Do not give the trolls any idea.
http://saveie6.com/
I would rather watch 2 girls 1 cup than to have my holy computer ever subjected to such torture to that malware. I would have to rewipe it or do a restore and carefully go through the registry.
http://saveie6.com/
1) The neighbour stups her already when I'm in the office, so there's a market. I should be compensated in money terms.
2) There's that paedophile I see every day in the park, so there's a market. It's inevitable he'll grab my 7 year old anyway, I should be compensated in money terms.
3) The rich old woman down the street really needs a kidney. She might just get lucky on the waiting list, so I want to get in on the action now. She'll pay anything!
4) I really need the money! Honest!
But targeted ads mean you are seeking some answer to which they can suggest a product. By passively watching the TV you are only saying that you are not able to do anything better with your time. Remember, at the very least, Hulu is being paid to show those products at a specific time. Usually because a majority demographic is watching at that time. That you do not have the problems of child-support and monogamy makes you a minority demographic. Lastly, can you spend your money on a round-the-world cruise? Being self-employed means travel and extended holidays are inconvenient recreations.
Actually yes it is real. There is worse stuf than goatse and tubgirl out there. Never mind the trolls, I say (I can deal with that) its the spammers that *really* annoy me tho.... those links are great for google-bombs and totally fuckup their results. Especially if you can redirect their paypal button to one of them..
C|N>K
Won't work. Data wants to be free.
You get paid for it by getting those services for free. When is the last time you gave Facebook or Google money?
Then sue anyone reporting bad credit history about you. Profit!!!
sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
Comment removed based on user account deletion
Nobody from 'MyCleanPC' is posting this crap, it's just a stupid meme. So posting links to disgusting shit in an attempt to 'fight it' just encourages it.
It's basically just the new version of Frost Piss. Sad you lot haven't gotten that by now...
You don't SELL your personal information. You LICENSE it and charge for yearly updates.
Plus it comes with DRM that requires you to be logged into my server while you use it.
And the whole process is patented.
FTA: "...And if we take over the selling of our data, all those companies using it now have to respect us and abide by our standards.'"
Give me an R! GIVE ME AN O! GIVE ME AN F! GIVE ME AN L!
ROFL!!!!!!!!!
Of course, you're *absolutely*, 100%, would-stake-your-life-on-it confident that this *isn't* a Joe job or- far more likely IMHO- just a troll?
And you're *entirely* confident that "FloppyCockyJohnson" (what a PR-friendly name *cough*) is a plausible legitimate spammer, despite being happy to waste her time posting spam links that do nothing, due to the fact that Slashdot adds a nofollow to them all?
Of course, when you say that "the SEO is paying him to link to his site" you know this for a *fact*...?
Because only an arrogant and self-righteous but deluded idiot on a feelgood crusade would clutter Slashdot up with replies that are way more annoying and disruptive than the original offtopic post unless they knew for sure- in the face of commonsense evidence- that the OP was a genuine spammer.
Normally I don't waste time feeding the trolls, nor pandering to the idiots that feed them by replying. I quickly mod the lot of you down en masse if I have points, then skip the lot. However, your account pops up like clockwork to respond to virtually every instance of this pretend spam.
Bottom line is that you- and your taken-it-upon-youself crusade to take "revenge" on this troll masquerading as a spammer are way more disruptive than the original troll itself.
I have more respect for the original troll than you. At least they're achieving what they set out to achieve. You? You're a useful idiot.
"Slashdot - News and Chat Sites Deviant". (Click "homepage" link above for details).
for each spam post here, i will add a 2g1c post with cmpc links on a real website.