I first took the plunge to Linux in 1999 when $99 was a TON of money for me back then and I wanted to learn software development and write some games. VC standard has a crippled compiler with no optimizations. Keep in mind this was the $99 that was crippled. I got angry and looked at the shiny new Caldera OpenLinux box which had
1. Non crippled GCC which supported C, C++, Ada, and even Fortran 2. Php (not available for Windows at the time) 3. Cool UIs like the beta of KDE 1.0 and WindowMaker.
Anyway the last time I looked at Visual Studio Express 2008 the compiler was still cripplied and you can share assemblies with other versions. So in other words if you go to the many game and coding websites you can't download frameworks and do the tutorials unless you had the pro, ultimate, or enterprise versions of Visual Studio. It does have some I suppose if you have a great book and want to learn by doing some excersizes in it like at a community college class.
But Visual Studio is cripplied and a classic example. Most people I know just pirate Visual Studio or use a Mac which has gcc.
Its never fair and difficult to prove. I am sure the MBA bosses are more than 2 minutes late for work. Different rules apply always depending on how easy you can be replaced.
Go read their marketing material. Windows Server is marketed as a reliable and cost effective Unix replacement. MS advertised this to all the CIOs and how they can be state of the art Microsoft shops if they could just get rid of non MS platforms to save costs. Windows used to host scalability days a decade ago to convince IT that Windows Server was real. It was supposedly designed to do that. This was 11 years ago I may add when SMP was new to wintel world. Oracle even prohibited benchmarks of their database after SQL Server with NT 4 on an alpha beat Unix and VMS as the most scalable server OS. MS really did try.... just not implemented well. Bill Gates hired David Cutler to build a VMS os with a Windows 3.1 gui on it for NT. It was never designed to be a lite server at all. but a way to gut out mini computers from the bottom up from day 1. Whether it succeeded or not is a different matter:-)
There are many MCSE out there who believe Linux just can't handle thousands of users like Windows as a result of this. Trust me people do use Windows Server in these scenarios and just cluster the hell out of it to make up for anything so their CIOs can see the new shiny MS boxen which they think are awesome and will save money.
Verizon's CEO lost 1 billion dollars and he still got his bonus. Just half of it and a paultry $8 million. On MSNBC forum boards one of the Verizon workers stated that in LA they will fire you if you are more than 2 minutes late 3 times. In LA this means leaving your home at 3:30am just in case an 18 wheel flips over and causes your communite to 5+ hours. The CEO came up with the plan.
So people get 6 hours sleep so they are not 2 minutes late for work EVER and their boss losses a billion and gets a bonus. Talk about setitng a standard and being real fair. lol.
Its easy for HR to fire you and me but HR reports to the CEO. Only shareholders from Wall Street can do that in a private meeting appointed by the board. It just is not that simple. The CEO would have to fire himself voluntarily. Like that is going to happen...
How does he get those numbers? You can do magic and sell your assets for only so long. You need people to make your product, market it, and then outwitt your competition. A CS degree mixed with IT experience shows what it takes to maange a project, the challenges involved, and how to make vision.
Sadly that is the problem with Corporate America today.
You laugh it off, but why do you think corporate America still prefers IE 6 & XP and only looks at IT as a cost center and sales as profit centers and everything else as a un necessary cost?
The reason why is accountants run the show and follow GAAP rules and know little about the business. Wall Street just wants someone to fudge numbers so they can pump and then short the stock within a 6 - 9 week window.
Accountants make the claim I made x amount of money therefore I can raise your stock price etc.
Is there any CEOs who were former engineers or designers left? A CEO with an IT background would be actually nice for an IT company! Who would ahve thought!
Tomshardware is showing GTX beating ATI by 50 - 200% in every benchmark. Anandtech shows the opposite with ATI still winning under the same games? Anyone else notice this?
Does Toms Hardware or Anandtech get paybacks from either company for biased remarks?
With Powershell its different and you can't even setup Exchange 2012 without good knowledge in it on purpose. In NT 4 land Windows Server was first introduced as a server even an idiot can setup. ActiveDirectory and infrastructure is difficult to setup for a large organization. A bad design is very hard to fix and can cause many stale active directory objects to kill all the bandwidth. Active Directory is the IE 6 of all managed directory services and sucks very hard.
Windows Server was designed starting with Windows 2000 to be the Unix and Mainframe replacement.
It is pretty sad when lawyers confuse trademark, patent, and copyright and an ignorant jury and public. Now through judicial activism they are doing the same by making any of them equal. It is easier to trademark than to patent but in essence the copyright has patent powers that list 170 fuck years or something with no patent fees!
If that was the case then the judge would say assume the whole API is not copyrightable. The fact that the judge wanted to assume this shows he does believe the api is copyrightable probably after receiving a dinner in a luxury hotel for a private education tutorial from Oracle. This is quite common sadly.
Why else would the judge say this? He did not say do not worry about whether it is copyrightable. He said assume it 100% and go find out if it in fact did occur and I will base my ruling on this.
Both Oracle and mostly Sun killed Java. It was a great technology actually in the 1990s. It was neglected and crippled... for portability according to Sun because Sun wanted to sell more Solaris workstations which also were ugly and very outdated compared to Linux. No point and clicks allowed to run the.class files!
Anyway JavaFX sucked because there was no tool to create them in. Sorry but a text editor does not give me visual layout, colar callibration, and other things that Adobe Flash Builder has. It is the argument for Photoshop vs CLI imageMagik or Latex where you type things and use your imagination for what it *might* look like. That is unacceptable. Sun didn't commit to JavaFX enough to build a gui editing program for it. Instead they made a template for Adobe Flash. Gee so I pay $$$ for it and I can also just compile my video for flash instead? Why use JavaFX then? Idiots
javaMe is truly awefull too. It is not smart about screen resolutions and each mobile developer has to rewrite the app for each phone. Even.NET mobile is better for crying out loud. Java was great when it was new but after drinking their own coolaide it whithered. Now Oracle is the collections agency trying to maximize on its asset for maximum profit anyway possible for the poor saps stuck using it.
Java is a classic example of a great shiny new technology where incompetent management ruins the product and technology.
Java was way ahead of its time and fucking awesome in the 1990s and Sun could have done so much back then. Sun refused to: 1. Let you compile for.exe's so a user could just point and click to run a program 2. Failed to integrate into the hosts native OS when no equilivent Java api would suffice 3. Didn't charge money for it. I know slashdotters hate this idea but more money generated could have funded more things like how C# and.NET keeps improving 4. Failed to implement a mobile strategy thatw as cost effective and didn't blow 5. Let Java fall behind
#5 is a big one. If any programmer could create a java program and it would run across all platforms as a native executable that would rock. Nope, Sun wanted you to tell users to type java program.class each and everytime. ERRR no can do. Java should charge for its enterprise versions and have a free one for regular hobbists so that way Sun could add more development and can grow it. Worse today in 2012 Java is far behind C#. C# has enumerators, boxing, and other features (I think Java supports enumerators now, but I have not touched it since 2005). Still it is very late to add this in 2006 and later when C# already had it. Sun lost Android for wanting to keep its Java2ME proprietary and refusing to make its executables more platform specific for better performance.
Sun only cared about Solaris and their servers. They let java wither and refused to give an inch in terms of portability for that reasons.No one cares about the licensing anymore unless its $$$ which Oracle is trying to do right now. Its still a great language but like Netscape before it is old and stale.
I hated C#.NET on principle when it came out. But I see no real innovation for anyone to want to go back. Oracle is being compentent with charging arms and legs for it and thats it as it wont matter anymore. What a shame as in a different universe it could have been the #1 language to develop on. It just didn't evolve and was screwed over by management.
Before you know it there wont be any cell phones in all of Europe. When Europeans have to switch to landlines you can bet something will give.
That or the companies will form consortorums because it helps all interests. This is how the industry use to do things and even the mobfia has them. Al Carpone even said its not worth it to be dead if we all just want to make money. Its best to not go to war.
This was dumb, assuming Google bought this patent from Motorolla as MS has a huge patent portfolio. Samsung is fine and wont be assholes to you unless you pull an Apple and try to ban its products. Then it got really nasty.
MS has not threatened Google and its patent fees from Andriod makers are only.02% according to Ars Technica. They have no intention of starting a war. But Google will soon see Redmond firing its guns claiming IP over exchange synch ability, and many other IP and copyrighted standards. Billions lost in defending itself will come next. It is in both companies best interests not to go sue crazy. It is the same thing I did with my exwife when I could have got a lawyer, but so would she and then shit would hit the fans for both of us and both of us would loose.
May God help us if Oracle wins the case and ruling syntax in a clean room implementation is the same as copyright infringement. Simple using something like socket() would be owned by someone else and this would give MS a lot of leverage for any phone but Windows that tries to talk to Exchange or use Javascript (MS bought rights to Javascript from AOL who bought Netscape).
Like Motorolla would be happy letting you download and use a HTML 5 browser for free. Obviously you simply can't.
With this and the potential ruling that merely syntax is copyrightable in the Oracle VS Google case 2 things will happen. Either people will see how rediculious patents and copyright are and change. Or the bribery will continue and no one but big pockets will compete. Hell, MS has big pockets and still are getting nailed. This is getting nuts.
It seems China and India are the only ones not crazy here.
AT&T won or was close to winning from what I heard.
Berkely gave up and removed the AT&T unix code and replaced the missing bits with their own. It took years before 4.4lite was ready and Linux beat it to the punch as a result and it never caught up.
However, BSD is api compatible with the sysIII and SysV so a simple recompile would work most of the time. That is the difference as not a single line of Oracle code is in Andriod. It astounds me they can charge for something they do not even know that was developed independently and then demand billions in damages.
BSD and Linux will be on the line for sure as they have the same syscalls, syntax, and look athe same if its ruled copyrightable. SCO can rise from the ashes and quote this case... look there is SED!
The people who open complex machinery are not typical users but mechanics who use the machines for business for their needs. Linux is like an industrial piece of machine for a particular task. An average user just wants something cheap, simple, where there is an on button and it just works for light usage.
Windows and MacOSX are best for this. A no sql database cluster for a cloud startup will want a Linux based solution with an IT team to set it up as Windows would not be appropriate. I suppose you could use Windows Server:-)
My ex thought the same was and saw it strange that I would wipe a good installation of Vista off my laptop and put linux on it. To her its like buying a fridge and taking the compressor out for the hell of it in her words.
Does the average Joe know to use google to search for something called medibuntu repository? Why should he or she even have to know this seriously?
Thats what makes it a crappy consumer OS. gtotem crashes a lot (did when I was a linux user a year or two ago), and the codecs are questionable. If you bought a new car (yes the analogy everyone hates!) and you had to pop the hood to drive it off the lott wouldn't you feel ripped off?
Since you insult my intelligence I have to say a Windows 7 install automatically picks up the drivers and all a user needs to do is click next. I can install Ubuntu. I just do not have the time. I do not want to play with.deb conflicts (yes they happen) and a kernel update hosing my display driver due to the lack of a ABI.
Ubuntu works great for some hardware and sucks on others like my el cheapo AMD laptop. The wifi randomly restarts and its a piece of crap. The user does not have time for this.
My wife was right. Why do I keep playing and struggling with Ubuntu when her Vista works just fine for over 2 years? It proved that Windows was better.
Slashdot Mirror
He is talking about Visual C++.
I first took the plunge to Linux in 1999 when $99 was a TON of money for me back then and I wanted to learn software development and write some games. VC standard has a crippled compiler with no optimizations. Keep in mind this was the $99 that was crippled. I got angry and looked at the shiny new Caldera OpenLinux box which had
1. Non crippled GCC which supported C, C++, Ada, and even Fortran
2. Php (not available for Windows at the time)
3. Cool UIs like the beta of KDE 1.0 and WindowMaker.
Anyway the last time I looked at Visual Studio Express 2008 the compiler was still cripplied and you can share assemblies with other versions. So in other words if you go to the many game and coding websites you can't download frameworks and do the tutorials unless you had the pro, ultimate, or enterprise versions of Visual Studio. It does have some I suppose if you have a great book and want to learn by doing some excersizes in it like at a community college class.
But Visual Studio is cripplied and a classic example. Most people I know just pirate Visual Studio or use a Mac which has gcc.
Agreed
They need to download the new limewire and install Anti Virus 2012 to keep their PCs safe!
Then you can sell them a new computer when their old ones appear mysteriously slow for some odd reason
Its never fair and difficult to prove. I am sure the MBA bosses are more than 2 minutes late for work. Different rules apply always depending on how easy you can be replaced.
That proves my point. Now compare that to HP and Yahoo? They dont understand what they even sell.
Go read their marketing material. Windows Server is marketed as a reliable and cost effective Unix replacement. MS advertised this to all the CIOs and how they can be state of the art Microsoft shops if they could just get rid of non MS platforms to save costs. Windows used to host scalability days a decade ago to convince IT that Windows Server was real. It was supposedly designed to do that. This was 11 years ago I may add when SMP was new to wintel world. Oracle even prohibited benchmarks of their database after SQL Server with NT 4 on an alpha beat Unix and VMS as the most scalable server OS. MS really did try. ... just not implemented well. Bill Gates hired David Cutler to build a VMS os with a Windows 3.1 gui on it for NT. It was never designed to be a lite server at all. but a way to gut out mini computers from the bottom up from day 1. Whether it succeeded or not is a different matter :-)
There are many MCSE out there who believe Linux just can't handle thousands of users like Windows as a result of this. Trust me people do use Windows Server in these scenarios and just cluster the hell out of it to make up for anything so their CIOs can see the new shiny MS boxen which they think are awesome and will save money.
Good luck with that argument?
Verizon's CEO lost 1 billion dollars and he still got his bonus. Just half of it and a paultry $8 million. On MSNBC forum boards one of the Verizon workers stated that in LA they will fire you if you are more than 2 minutes late 3 times. In LA this means leaving your home at 3:30am just in case an 18 wheel flips over and causes your communite to 5+ hours. The CEO came up with the plan.
So people get 6 hours sleep so they are not 2 minutes late for work EVER and their boss losses a billion and gets a bonus. Talk about setitng a standard and being real fair. lol.
Its easy for HR to fire you and me but HR reports to the CEO. Only shareholders from Wall Street can do that in a private meeting appointed by the board. It just is not that simple. The CEO would have to fire himself voluntarily. Like that is going to happen ...
Great he knows numbers.
How does he get those numbers? You can do magic and sell your assets for only so long. You need people to make your product, market it, and then outwitt your competition. A CS degree mixed with IT experience shows what it takes to maange a project, the challenges involved, and how to make vision.
Sadly that is the problem with Corporate America today.
You laugh it off, but why do you think corporate America still prefers IE 6 & XP and only looks at IT as a cost center and sales as profit centers and everything else as a un necessary cost?
The reason why is accountants run the show and follow GAAP rules and know little about the business. Wall Street just wants someone to fudge numbers so they can pump and then short the stock within a 6 - 9 week window.
Accountants make the claim I made x amount of money therefore I can raise your stock price etc.
Is there any CEOs who were former engineers or designers left? A CEO with an IT background would be actually nice for an IT company! Who would ahve thought!
Tomshardware is showing GTX beating ATI by 50 - 200% in every benchmark. Anandtech shows the opposite with ATI still winning under the same games? Anyone else notice this?
Does Toms Hardware or Anandtech get paybacks from either company for biased remarks?
With Powershell its different and you can't even setup Exchange 2012 without good knowledge in it on purpose. In NT 4 land Windows Server was first introduced as a server even an idiot can setup. ActiveDirectory and infrastructure is difficult to setup for a large organization. A bad design is very hard to fix and can cause many stale active directory objects to kill all the bandwidth. Active Directory is the IE 6 of all managed directory services and sucks very hard.
Windows Server was designed starting with Windows 2000 to be the Unix and Mainframe replacement.
It is pretty sad when lawyers confuse trademark, patent, and copyright and an ignorant jury and public. Now through judicial activism they are doing the same by making any of them equal. It is easier to trademark than to patent but in essence the copyright has patent powers that list 170 fuck years or something with no patent fees!
Terrible and scary.
If that was the case then the judge would say assume the whole API is not copyrightable. The fact that the judge wanted to assume this shows he does believe the api is copyrightable probably after receiving a dinner in a luxury hotel for a private education tutorial from Oracle. This is quite common sadly.
Why else would the judge say this? He did not say do not worry about whether it is copyrightable. He said assume it 100% and go find out if it in fact did occur and I will base my ruling on this.
Both Oracle and mostly Sun killed Java. It was a great technology actually in the 1990s. It was neglected and crippled ... for portability according to Sun because Sun wanted to sell more Solaris workstations which also were ugly and very outdated compared to Linux. No point and clicks allowed to run the .class files!
Anyway JavaFX sucked because there was no tool to create them in. Sorry but a text editor does not give me visual layout, colar callibration, and other things that Adobe Flash Builder has. It is the argument for Photoshop vs CLI imageMagik or Latex where you type things and use your imagination for what it *might* look like. That is unacceptable. Sun didn't commit to JavaFX enough to build a gui editing program for it. Instead they made a template for Adobe Flash. Gee so I pay $$$ for it and I can also just compile my video for flash instead? Why use JavaFX then? Idiots
javaMe is truly awefull too. It is not smart about screen resolutions and each mobile developer has to rewrite the app for each phone. Even .NET mobile is better for crying out loud. Java was great when it was new but after drinking their own coolaide it whithered. Now Oracle is the collections agency trying to maximize on its asset for maximum profit anyway possible for the poor saps stuck using it.
Java is a classic example of a great shiny new technology where incompetent management ruins the product and technology.
Java was way ahead of its time and fucking awesome in the 1990s and Sun could have done so much back then. Sun refused to: .exe's so a user could just point and click to run a program .NET keeps improving
1. Let you compile for
2. Failed to integrate into the hosts native OS when no equilivent Java api would suffice
3. Didn't charge money for it. I know slashdotters hate this idea but more money generated could have funded more things like how C# and
4. Failed to implement a mobile strategy thatw as cost effective and didn't blow
5. Let Java fall behind
#5 is a big one. If any programmer could create a java program and it would run across all platforms as a native executable that would rock. Nope, Sun wanted you to tell users to type java program.class each and everytime. ERRR no can do. Java should charge for its enterprise versions and have a free one for regular hobbists so that way Sun could add more development and can grow it. Worse today in 2012 Java is far behind C#. C# has enumerators, boxing, and other features (I think Java supports enumerators now, but I have not touched it since 2005). Still it is very late to add this in 2006 and later when C# already had it. Sun lost Android for wanting to keep its Java2ME proprietary and refusing to make its executables more platform specific for better performance.
Sun only cared about Solaris and their servers. They let java wither and refused to give an inch in terms of portability for that reasons.No one cares about the licensing anymore unless its $$$ which Oracle is trying to do right now. Its still a great language but like Netscape before it is old and stale.
I hated C#.NET on principle when it came out. But I see no real innovation for anyone to want to go back. Oracle is being compentent with charging arms and legs for it and thats it as it wont matter anymore. What a shame as in a different universe it could have been the #1 language to develop on. It just didn't evolve and was screwed over by management.
The tools suck ass too.
They are no tools. Sun's excuse was to use Adobe Flash Builder to create JavaFX??
Well if I paid all this money for it, why don't I use compile it to a flash? Idiots.
Oracle is even worse and more out too lunch.
American english is more conservative than the UK english with rules like this. Oddly, it is more conservative but with more improper slang.
... And the part that there is no source code either unlike J++
Before you know it there wont be any cell phones in all of Europe. When Europeans have to switch to landlines you can bet something will give.
That or the companies will form consortorums because it helps all interests. This is how the industry use to do things and even the mobfia has them. Al Carpone even said its not worth it to be dead if we all just want to make money. Its best to not go to war.
And IBM lost.
Compaq was allowed to prevail. Clean room was the norm afterwards and made clones possible.
This was dumb, assuming Google bought this patent from Motorolla as MS has a huge patent portfolio. Samsung is fine and wont be assholes to you unless you pull an Apple and try to ban its products. Then it got really nasty.
MS has not threatened Google and its patent fees from Andriod makers are only .02% according to Ars Technica. They have no intention of starting a war. But Google will soon see Redmond firing its guns claiming IP over exchange synch ability, and many other IP and copyrighted standards. Billions lost in defending itself will come next. It is in both companies best interests not to go sue crazy. It is the same thing I did with my exwife when I could have got a lawyer, but so would she and then shit would hit the fans for both of us and both of us would loose.
May God help us if Oracle wins the case and ruling syntax in a clean room implementation is the same as copyright infringement. Simple using something like socket() would be owned by someone else and this would give MS a lot of leverage for any phone but Windows that tries to talk to Exchange or use Javascript (MS bought rights to Javascript from AOL who bought Netscape).
All I have to say is I told you so.
Like Motorolla would be happy letting you download and use a HTML 5 browser for free. Obviously you simply can't.
With this and the potential ruling that merely syntax is copyrightable in the Oracle VS Google case 2 things will happen. Either people will see how rediculious patents and copyright are and change. Or the bribery will continue and no one but big pockets will compete. Hell, MS has big pockets and still are getting nailed. This is getting nuts.
It seems China and India are the only ones not crazy here.
Bug busters!
AT&T won or was close to winning from what I heard.
Berkely gave up and removed the AT&T unix code and replaced the missing bits with their own. It took years before 4.4lite was ready and Linux beat it to the punch as a result and it never caught up.
However, BSD is api compatible with the sysIII and SysV so a simple recompile would work most of the time. That is the difference as not a single line of Oracle code is in Andriod. It astounds me they can charge for something they do not even know that was developed independently and then demand billions in damages.
BSD and Linux will be on the line for sure as they have the same syscalls, syntax, and look athe same if its ruled copyrightable. SCO can rise from the ashes and quote this case ... look there is SED!
Interesting analogy.
The people who open complex machinery are not typical users but mechanics who use the machines for business for their needs. Linux is like an industrial piece of machine for a particular task. An average user just wants something cheap, simple, where there is an on button and it just works for light usage.
Windows and MacOSX are best for this. A no sql database cluster for a cloud startup will want a Linux based solution with an IT team to set it up as Windows would not be appropriate. I suppose you could use Windows Server :-)
My ex thought the same was and saw it strange that I would wipe a good installation of Vista off my laptop and put linux on it. To her its like buying a fridge and taking the compressor out for the hell of it in her words.
Does the average Joe know to use google to search for something called medibuntu repository? Why should he or she even have to know this seriously?
Thats what makes it a crappy consumer OS. gtotem crashes a lot (did when I was a linux user a year or two ago), and the codecs are questionable. If you bought a new car (yes the analogy everyone hates!) and you had to pop the hood to drive it off the lott wouldn't you feel ripped off?
Since you insult my intelligence I have to say a Windows 7 install automatically picks up the drivers and all a user needs to do is click next. I can install Ubuntu. I just do not have the time. I do not want to play with .deb conflicts (yes they happen) and a kernel update hosing my display driver due to the lack of a ABI.
Ubuntu works great for some hardware and sucks on others like my el cheapo AMD laptop. The wifi randomly restarts and its a piece of crap. The user does not have time for this.
My wife was right. Why do I keep playing and struggling with Ubuntu when her Vista works just fine for over 2 years? It proved that Windows was better.