The flaw in the analogy is that in a car theft case is the hudge always has a pretrial to determine if there is enough evidence before hearing the case.
The judge sided with Oracle that a clean room implementation is grounds for copyright infringement if found guilty. The jury would not be ibvolved and the judge wouldnt hear it otherwise.
Its better today. I use Avast! on my Windows PC and it only slows it down by 5 seconds on bootup. Not everything is garbage like Norton 360 or MCaffee of 2002-2008 which would halt your PC for 5 minutes on startup. That was insane!
I check my student loans online and occasionally do banking. I can't risk it. Avast! is not bad but sucks on the mac. Unless you have flashblock on your browser if you came here on slashdot exactly one month ago and you ran Windows you are infected and 0wned right now! Believe it or not a bad flash based ad here used an exploit and Avast caught it.
I had my wow account raided because my exwife let the kids play flash and java games unpatched with a crappy anti virus product. She logged into me and got my password. It blew big time.
Anti virus software sucks but not all of it is bad and I wish in a perfect world I didn't need it.
If Apple uses ASLR and DEP I retract that part then and apologize.
Its good to hear and I am not a troll. I use that argument for people saying how bad Windows is when infact its just XP that is almost 11 years old now that got the bad rap. Windows 7 is much more secure if you ask any enteprise that had migrated to it. The help desk calls for malware go way down.
Still I find the fact that Mac users say with a smile they do not run anti virus software disturbing. It is such an easy target and you know the users will never know what hit them while you raid their bank accounts as they will refuse to believe they are prone to infections. After all anti virus software is updated daily so eventually my malware would get caught on a Windows based PC. The posts here on slashdot all talk about a user clicking something. Not getting a drive by download from flash.
I hate flash with a passion and unfortunately some sites still require it. Most kids use Youtube for music today and much of the older uploads have no h.264 counterpart. So anti virus is needed for Mac users if they ever do anything important like banking and taxes online.
If that gold master copy is not behind a firewall it will be owned in 30 minutes.
Before you go about saying MS sucks the same can be said about Linux and MacOSX. In a rewipe on my machine which contains an old gold master OEM Windows 7 there are 160 updates for the OS and Office. That is a lot but an older Fedora 13 laptop I have around has 130 updates as well. My guess is so does MacOSX.
The grandparent is incorrect. No most malware in 2012 does not require the user to do anything but browse a page. BAM, flash is executable complete with a full compiler with no trust relationship at all! Flashback could get your mac owned even if you close that dialogue box on Java update. Seriously.
My anti virus software even notified that slashdot served a fake virgin ad that tried to 0wn my system. If you ran Windows and no anti virus 4 weekends ago your system is hosed. People need to learn and be aware of the dangers of flash, pdf, and ajax. Windows XP and IE 6 are no longer the security threats and have not been in 10 years.
Actually its drive by downloads. Clicking something is so 1990s.
Flash and Adobe make it easy. Use a php webserver and exploit it with a bad ad. The owner will not know and your users will get infected instantly through flash. Wordpress is a classic example.
Linux is targetted to for these reasons. Mostly to serve malware and I gave up trying to warn people here as they are so drunk with the coolaide.
What I find dangerous is Apple users do not use anti virus products that monitor, sand box, and provide active protection. Windows XP is crap and easy to exploit. Today Windows 7 has ASLR, DEP, signed device drivers (64 bit users), secure boot if you have EFI, UAC, etc. IE 9 is sandboxed, activeX is disabled on the web, abstraction and layers between the OS.dlls and IE.dlls, etc.
MacOSX does not have this level of protection and with no anti virus scanner it is very easy to hack a mac with flash or java. Esepcially an older one which are numerous. Sure it has a lot less users than Windows but you do not have to try so hard to get in. Most Windows machines are in offices with I.T. departments who manage them and lock them down while Apple is for consumers who think they are secure to just click on everything.
Its a bad combo even if it only has %15 marketshare.
Flashback preys on older macs with no updates. XP has had 11 years of updates and still going in comparison. Microsoft does more than updates. They are active in destroying botnets and are doing many things right. They really are at least trying to up their reputation and care about the security issues of its products and platforms.
I just got into a flamewar last week on Livejournal with such a mac user who told a user use a mac and you do not need anti virus. MS sucks bla bla bla Apple is the most secure OS by design and its impossible to infect etc.
I kindly pointed out that link which showed flashback with 500,000 infections and growing. His response was, well they clicked on something, macs are secure and your stupid for using a PC. I explained drive by downloads and he went on and on how he hadn't got infected in 18 years and there is no way he was going to run an anti virus scan.
That is the most dangerous threat. Windows users know better... well mostly. Almost everyone has anti virus software and protection which monitors suspicious activity in the windows world. Mac users who use obsolete software and hardware is huge because Apple is expensive and lasts long. Jobs is a greedy asshole who will only give them updates for 3 years. Flash is not auto updated and nor is Java.
It might as well have a sign saying hackers come in! Your users will deny your existence and there is plenty of bank account numbers to steal. There is no way to know your infected unless a pop up shows and many universities say its 2003 all over again with constant malware... but this time from Mac Users and not IE 6 users. It is bad out there with ditwitts like that person on livejournal and the Apple Store saying everything is fine and ignore Sycraft-fu, he is just jealous his is not as rich or as smart as you oh Mac user.
I was referring to version 6 which was crippled and at $100.
The fact that I can't share code is a major problem as any young coder these days will google coding sites with frameworks and examples and wont be able to use them. Lack of units does suck but I guess the kids can use print statements:-)
Many I know just pirate it. Either way it is considerably crippled. Enteprise is overboard for almost all uses but for the fortune 1000 companies but the pro version is at least needed.
Norton DNS provides a fairly good job and different levels levels.
I use it for just basic malware and phishing protection, but it has level 2 filtering for just malware and porn domains, and 3 which is family unfriendly sites. A DNS option is a much better solution and easy for an ISp to write a tiny program that can setup your router to the right DNS for filtering.
If you want to refine it there are parental controls if you run Windows 7 where you can block keywords. Many routers do this too now if the user is educated enough to know what 192.168.1.1 is.
Of course nothing is perfect but NortonDNS is used by many school and is pretty decent. I may hate their anti virus product but it does nice things as my own DNS service for just the malware protection only.
Why doesn't the british government just have an option at sign up for child protection and use a simple DNS blocking service like NortonDNS? That would not disrupte free speech nor would it require expensive procedures and upgrades for ISPs.
I am an advocate of OpenDNS, and NortonDNS for phishing and crossite protection in case my anti virus package misses something. NortonDNS has porn filtering as well if you enter the IP addresses here. Basically the last subnet.50 filters unfamily friendly sites,.40 just porn and malware, and.20 for the rest of us with just security protection.
I have my router with.20 filter at home. If I had a child I would put his/her own computer with a subnet of.40 for the DNS IP Address. Problem solved. No expensive tax dollars or expensive hardware or software.
If you run Windows you can turn on family safety too for a childs account. I imagine most users are not this savy or smart to know this or set this up and you can do custom filtering as well. However DNS filtering is the best and an easy way.
I am for free speech and this is outragous! I think an option with those who pick family safety just run a script which configures their new shiny routers to the NortonDNS that protects agaisnt porn and viola! Easy
Also capitalism promotes racism in the south. Even in states with no jim crow laws whites would simply refuse to sit in the same room. As late as the 80s blacks were allowed but set away in another area for the white patrons.
It doesnt matter if the owner is sympathetic. If you want white customers you must seperate or you go out of businrss. Many places in the south still have white and black grocery stores
Dvd Jon got arrested for breaking a us law in Norway. Trade laws and Nafta make this ignorant jury will determine your rights anywhere in the world.
This will make the fat cats much bigger and send everyone but China in the stone age. The fat cats will then use their money gained to lobby for new laws to prevent reform and ignore the electorate.
This is now a copyright case. THe patents were ruled invalid in the case. THe case effects everyone in I.T. and Oracle is willing to ruin the whole industry so Elison can make a few billion more.
If the whole api and language is copyrighted on sytnax the whole world will change as everyone from car part manufactures to people who the phillips head can have 170 year monopolies and prevent anything from working together.
MS can't compete with the $199 Andriod tablets if they charge $170 for the OS. It would be in their best interest to lower the price to sell more by volume and increase its marketshare.
True MS could just pocket the difference and from what I read the business edition aka pro doesn't support dvd playing at all in an attempt to have you purchase ultimate via Windows Upgrade.This will make alot of sales and business people irritated as you know the beancounters will say no and IT will keep it locked.
But for the arm tablets it makes sense. As long as the home premium still supports it for desktops and laptops thats good. Lets see the cost when it is finished
Yeah XP is really outdated and its showing its age.
THe lack of DPI and shitty resolutions on new laptops is because XP can't take advantage the same way. h.264 support is why IE 9 is not available for XP. If you can afford a nice blueray and a good 1080p monitor I can't see the logic of staying with XP.
THe issue is costs and patents. MS can't make a tablet $199 while paying jerks like Motorolla for h.264 and the MPAA for its DVD consortium license for DeCSS etc.
My guess is if the system comes with a dvd drive it will have the home premium version, which like WIndows 7 will have codecs built in and will also include MediaCenter with full dvd support. Any OEM can be sued and their product removed from the market if they include VideoLan with unathorized, patented, and copyrighted codecs.
The situation to me is no different than Windows 7 and people should calm down. I worked in a PC shop and installed these codecs for customers with Win 7 starter edition with VideoLAN. Windows 8 starter edition will be bigger but it wont share the same name.
Go blame Hollywood and the lawyers if your angry? It is not MS being evil but them and their insane lawyers. Even a $15 fee can easily eat up the whole margin on the low end market if you think about it.
It doesn't mean Windows Media Center wont be included.
IT means the starter the editions wont support it just like the Windows 7 starter edition does not. Windows 8 wont have a starter edition name as MS wants WOA to use that version and doesn't want it to be perceived as cripplied.
From what I understand Home premium will support it just like WIndows 7, but it will cost extra if you want that support on your arm tablet which will use the cheapest version of Win 8. Before bashing MS, go read about Motorolla banning Windows 7 in Germany from yesterday here on slashdot over h.264 patents? It costs money for that and a license from the MPAA/DVD consortorium. However, MS did admit that Windows pro/business edition will not have it and it will cost extra.That blows for sales people on the road as you know the accountants will deny it and they wont have full access to upgrade even if they wanted because they will be locked down by I.T.
But why pay for Windows 7 ultimate when Windows 7 pro has all the home stuff plus a few corporate extras included in? MS is trying to sell more copies of WIndows ultimate to executives and high end corporate users is my take.
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The flaw in the analogy is that in a car theft case is the hudge always has a pretrial to determine if there is enough evidence before hearing the case.
The judge sided with Oracle that a clean room implementation is grounds for copyright infringement if found guilty. The jury would not be ibvolved and the judge wouldnt hear it otherwise.
He already did.
He wouldnt have instructed the jury and wasted the courts time.
Its better today. I use Avast! on my Windows PC and it only slows it down by 5 seconds on bootup. Not everything is garbage like Norton 360 or MCaffee of 2002-2008 which would halt your PC for 5 minutes on startup. That was insane!
I check my student loans online and occasionally do banking. I can't risk it. Avast! is not bad but sucks on the mac. Unless you have flashblock on your browser if you came here on slashdot exactly one month ago and you ran Windows you are infected and 0wned right now! Believe it or not a bad flash based ad here used an exploit and Avast caught it.
I had my wow account raided because my exwife let the kids play flash and java games unpatched with a crappy anti virus product. She logged into me and got my password. It blew big time.
Anti virus software sucks but not all of it is bad and I wish in a perfect world I didn't need it.
If Apple uses ASLR and DEP I retract that part then and apologize.
Its good to hear and I am not a troll. I use that argument for people saying how bad Windows is when infact its just XP that is almost 11 years old now that got the bad rap. Windows 7 is much more secure if you ask any enteprise that had migrated to it. The help desk calls for malware go way down.
Still I find the fact that Mac users say with a smile they do not run anti virus software disturbing. It is such an easy target and you know the users will never know what hit them while you raid their bank accounts as they will refuse to believe they are prone to infections. After all anti virus software is updated daily so eventually my malware would get caught on a Windows based PC. The posts here on slashdot all talk about a user clicking something. Not getting a drive by download from flash.
I hate flash with a passion and unfortunately some sites still require it. Most kids use Youtube for music today and much of the older uploads have no h.264 counterpart. So anti virus is needed for Mac users if they ever do anything important like banking and taxes online.
If that gold master copy is not behind a firewall it will be owned in 30 minutes.
Before you go about saying MS sucks the same can be said about Linux and MacOSX. In a rewipe on my machine which contains an old gold master OEM Windows 7 there are 160 updates for the OS and Office. That is a lot but an older Fedora 13 laptop I have around has 130 updates as well. My guess is so does MacOSX.
The grandparent is incorrect. No most malware in 2012 does not require the user to do anything but browse a page. BAM, flash is executable complete with a full compiler with no trust relationship at all! Flashback could get your mac owned even if you close that dialogue box on Java update. Seriously.
My anti virus software even notified that slashdot served a fake virgin ad that tried to 0wn my system. If you ran Windows and no anti virus 4 weekends ago your system is hosed. People need to learn and be aware of the dangers of flash, pdf, and ajax. Windows XP and IE 6 are no longer the security threats and have not been in 10 years.
Actually its drive by downloads. Clicking something is so 1990s.
Flash and Adobe make it easy. Use a php webserver and exploit it with a bad ad. The owner will not know and your users will get infected instantly through flash. Wordpress is a classic example.
Linux is targetted to for these reasons. Mostly to serve malware and I gave up trying to warn people here as they are so drunk with the coolaide.
Popularity is one thing.
What I find dangerous is Apple users do not use anti virus products that monitor, sand box, and provide active protection. Windows XP is crap and easy to exploit. Today Windows 7 has ASLR, DEP, signed device drivers (64 bit users), secure boot if you have EFI, UAC, etc. IE 9 is sandboxed, activeX is disabled on the web, abstraction and layers between the OS .dlls and IE .dlls, etc.
MacOSX does not have this level of protection and with no anti virus scanner it is very easy to hack a mac with flash or java. Esepcially an older one which are numerous. Sure it has a lot less users than Windows but you do not have to try so hard to get in. Most Windows machines are in offices with I.T. departments who manage them and lock them down while Apple is for consumers who think they are secure to just click on everything.
Its a bad combo even if it only has %15 marketshare.
Yeah if you own a mac less than 3 years old.
Flashback preys on older macs with no updates. XP has had 11 years of updates and still going in comparison. Microsoft does more than updates. They are active in destroying botnets and are doing many things right. They really are at least trying to up their reputation and care about the security issues of its products and platforms.
I just got into a flamewar last week on Livejournal with such a mac user who told a user use a mac and you do not need anti virus. MS sucks bla bla bla Apple is the most secure OS by design and its impossible to infect etc.
I kindly pointed out that link which showed flashback with 500,000 infections and growing. His response was, well they clicked on something, macs are secure and your stupid for using a PC. I explained drive by downloads and he went on and on how he hadn't got infected in 18 years and there is no way he was going to run an anti virus scan.
That is the most dangerous threat. Windows users know better ... well mostly. Almost everyone has anti virus software and protection which monitors suspicious activity in the windows world. Mac users who use obsolete software and hardware is huge because Apple is expensive and lasts long. Jobs is a greedy asshole who will only give them updates for 3 years. Flash is not auto updated and nor is Java.
It might as well have a sign saying hackers come in! Your users will deny your existence and there is plenty of bank account numbers to steal. There is no way to know your infected unless a pop up shows and many universities say its 2003 all over again with constant malware ... but this time from Mac Users and not IE 6 users. It is bad out there with ditwitts like that person on livejournal and the Apple Store saying everything is fine and ignore Sycraft-fu, he is just jealous his is not as rich or as smart as you oh Mac user.
I was referring to version 6 which was crippled and at $100.
The fact that I can't share code is a major problem as any young coder these days will google coding sites with frameworks and examples and wont be able to use them. Lack of units does suck but I guess the kids can use print statements :-)
Many I know just pirate it. Either way it is considerably crippled. Enteprise is overboard for almost all uses but for the fortune 1000 companies but the pro version is at least needed.
Norton DNS provides a fairly good job and different levels levels.
I use it for just basic malware and phishing protection, but it has level 2 filtering for just malware and porn domains, and 3 which is family unfriendly sites. A DNS option is a much better solution and easy for an ISp to write a tiny program that can setup your router to the right DNS for filtering.
If you want to refine it there are parental controls if you run Windows 7 where you can block keywords. Many routers do this too now if the user is educated enough to know what 192.168.1.1 is.
Of course nothing is perfect but NortonDNS is used by many school and is pretty decent. I may hate their anti virus product but it does nice things as my own DNS service for just the malware protection only.
The link is here.
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Why doesn't the british government just have an option at sign up for child protection and use a simple DNS blocking service like NortonDNS? That would not disrupte free speech nor would it require expensive procedures and upgrades for ISPs.
I am an advocate of OpenDNS, and NortonDNS for phishing and crossite protection in case my anti virus package misses something. NortonDNS has porn filtering as well if you enter the IP addresses here. Basically the last subnet .50 filters unfamily friendly sites, .40 just porn and malware, and .20 for the rest of us with just security protection.
I have my router with .20 filter at home. If I had a child I would put his/her own computer with a subnet of .40 for the DNS IP Address. Problem solved. No expensive tax dollars or expensive hardware or software.
If you run Windows you can turn on family safety too for a childs account. I imagine most users are not this savy or smart to know this or set this up and you can do custom filtering as well. However DNS filtering is the best and an easy way.
I am for free speech and this is outragous! I think an option with those who pick family safety just run a script which configures their new shiny routers to the NortonDNS that protects agaisnt porn and viola! Easy
Also capitalism promotes racism in the south. Even in states with no jim crow laws whites would simply refuse to sit in the same room. As late as the 80s blacks were allowed but set away in another area for the white patrons.
It doesnt matter if the owner is sympathetic. If you want white customers you must seperate or you go out of businrss. Many places in the south still have white and black grocery stores
Google underwear bomber? With no security at all what is to stop a terrorist with a remote bomb in the luggage if no one checks bags?
I think security is still needed thank you
Dvd Jon got arrested for breaking a us law in Norway. Trade laws and Nafta make this ignorant jury will determine your rights anywhere in the world.
This will make the fat cats much bigger and send everyone but China in the stone age. The fat cats will then use their money gained to lobby for new laws to prevent reform and ignore the electorate.
This is now a copyright case. THe patents were ruled invalid in the case. THe case effects everyone in I.T. and Oracle is willing to ruin the whole industry so Elison can make a few billion more.
If the whole api and language is copyrighted on sytnax the whole world will change as everyone from car part manufactures to people who the phillips head can have 170 year monopolies and prevent anything from working together.
All of them do not support the codecs out of the box either. lol.
It is no different than a Win starter user needing to manually download codecs and videolan from filehippo.
Does IOS support h.264 and dvd playback?
I do not own an Ipad and I am curious. Android doesn't and only supports mpeg2 from my phone.
MS can't compete with the $199 Andriod tablets if they charge $170 for the OS. It would be in their best interest to lower the price to sell more by volume and increase its marketshare.
True MS could just pocket the difference and from what I read the business edition aka pro doesn't support dvd playing at all in an attempt to have you purchase ultimate via Windows Upgrade.This will make alot of sales and business people irritated as you know the beancounters will say no and IT will keep it locked.
But for the arm tablets it makes sense. As long as the home premium still supports it for desktops and laptops thats good. Lets see the cost when it is finished
Yeah XP is really outdated and its showing its age.
THe lack of DPI and shitty resolutions on new laptops is because XP can't take advantage the same way. h.264 support is why IE 9 is not available for XP. If you can afford a nice blueray and a good 1080p monitor I can't see the logic of staying with XP.
I doubt it.
THe issue is costs and patents. MS can't make a tablet $199 while paying jerks like Motorolla for h.264 and the MPAA for its DVD consortium license for DeCSS etc.
My guess is if the system comes with a dvd drive it will have the home premium version, which like WIndows 7 will have codecs built in and will also include MediaCenter with full dvd support. Any OEM can be sued and their product removed from the market if they include VideoLan with unathorized, patented, and copyrighted codecs.
The situation to me is no different than Windows 7 and people should calm down. I worked in a PC shop and installed these codecs for customers with Win 7 starter edition with VideoLAN. Windows 8 starter edition will be bigger but it wont share the same name.
Go blame Hollywood and the lawyers if your angry? It is not MS being evil but them and their insane lawyers. Even a $15 fee can easily eat up the whole margin on the low end market if you think about it.
It doesn't mean Windows Media Center wont be included.
IT means the starter the editions wont support it just like the Windows 7 starter edition does not. Windows 8 wont have a starter edition name as MS wants WOA to use that version and doesn't want it to be perceived as cripplied.
From what I understand Home premium will support it just like WIndows 7, but it will cost extra if you want that support on your arm tablet which will use the cheapest version of Win 8. Before bashing MS, go read about Motorolla banning Windows 7 in Germany from yesterday here on slashdot over h.264 patents? It costs money for that and a license from the MPAA/DVD consortorium. However, MS did admit that Windows pro/business edition will not have it and it will cost extra.That blows for sales people on the road as you know the accountants will deny it and they wont have full access to upgrade even if they wanted because they will be locked down by I.T.
But why pay for Windows 7 ultimate when Windows 7 pro has all the home stuff plus a few corporate extras included in? MS is trying to sell more copies of WIndows ultimate to executives and high end corporate users is my take.
So just relax folks.
You can't share the assemblies and api with your coworkers so you are the troll.
There is a reason employers pay for the professional and enterprise editions.
You can't share assemblies between the express and non-express versions.