ALso you and your family will freeze if the furnace is not fixed. That of course brings up demand.
A pc used to browse the web is not that essential so the demand is lower.
Most IT workers always start out as techs. For the parent who said retail work sucks, my job working at an amusuement park is worse. If any tech companies were hiring in my area I would sign up in a second. I have too many colleges here so its hard to find work but anything beats directing traffic for $6/hr.
People want licensed professional home builders to fix their houses because the homes are worth alot of money.
Pc's are worth jack. If the value of a pc is $400 why would you want to pay someone 1/4th the value of that pc to fix it? If you call the tech who charges $100/hr twice a year, you could just have bought half a new pc.
Farther down the discussions here was someone who mentioned who charged $200 and his silly clients pay him $5000-$7000 a year for looking after several pc;s.
I kindly told him that the customer is an idiot since he could just throw away all his pc's in the trash for the price and frequency of this top tech.
That is the problem.
Also its value. A car is essential and so is a roof over your head. Unless run a business a home based pc has little value if its used just to watch porn and browse the web.
HEll compared to what I am making now I would happily accept 10/hr!
It beats minimium wage anyday.
I am wondering if the IT industry has any demand for us again after I got laid off in 2001.
People here are whining about 40/hr. Its unreal. I know people who make under $10,000 a year and support a family where I work. Really 12/hr is a ton of money and is luxury compared to what the rest of America makes.
I should get back into the computer field. After the.com crash I could not find anywork. I only have 2 years of experience and I am both A+ and MCSE( shudder) certified.
I now work 6/hr and live off food stamps while I go back to school.
How did MS win a monopoly? They got it from IBM because no respectable business would run any pc unless it had the name IBM.
Once the inferior IBM pc came out they monopolized the market overnight.
Small businesses may have experimented with early micro-computers but mainframes were everything. Infact my old man almost got fired back in 1985 for chosing IBM pc's on every desk instead of dumb terminals and an IBM 380 mainframe.
I was thinking of the opposite with ISP's using Avalon and webservices for renting applications.
MS wants to use IE as teh new mechanism for software subscriptions including office and.NET.
A cheap console like device with some storage locally but most on an ISP would make sense. I imagine a Tivo like device which would be a smart terminal or thin client. You can see the trend?
MS back in 99 just changed the EULA for WIndows and OFFICE to make using Terminal server more expensive soley to claim "pc's are cheaper". Kind of slimy if you ask me.
If I recall before the rise of Linux, ms new enemy after netscape became network computers. Obviously MS wants revenue from every user to satisfy shareholder demands.
Clearly if we were not so dependant on MS software the corps would be using terminals or just really thin clients again like in the 70's and 80's with terminals. Pc's are complex today which is why the trend to reverse is there.
Isn't Dell working or researching on a mini-server that houses 4-5 monitors and keyboards for that reason? I would not be surprised if blade computers being shared becomes the next big thing in the office. That is unless MS changes their EULA's to make them more expensive then hav ing individual pc's/.
So TV Is also here. Better get used to it or learn self discpline and study?
I have ADD and spend too much time on computers.
Computers are usefull for higher end math but just like calculators they ruin everything and do not help students learn. Any graphing calculator is inappropriate for students who are not at least in calculus.
If I recall Oracle funded via campaign contributions the first DOJ trail agaisnt Microsoft. MS responded by making VB integrate with SQL and included SQL Server free of charge with MSDN. Ouch.
To this day Oracle is recovering. Really Bill Gates would cream at this opportunity. There is nothing Oracle and can do to get back at this point. Suing does not help either as they tried that in the past as well.
I do not bother with the packages on FreeBSD anymore. They are always broken. I can never figure out what is wrong. Ports too if you cvsup alot for security fixes. I admit I do start with ports and then use some packages. Wrong compiler settings with dependancies can cause alot of strange core dumps and bugs.
Its too easy to brake something but ports are better. Ports are not perfect either if you cvsup. You can read the CHANGES file all you want but I could not get java to work for over a month. The port required an old version of a patch file that was no longer being served.
My guess is FOSS really took off unexpectingly and Linux became ported to more architectures besides x86 and the Alpha. This caused the folks at Debian to focus on everybody including the atari users.
If a bug was fixed for most platforms but the amiga users (all 15) was still present, then package X would not be updated on any of the other releases. This is whats hurting it.
I hate to say it but the x86, powerpc, and sparc versions should be ahead and have a later version then the others. FreeBSD for example has alpha and powerpc as different tiers of support, although alpha is still pretty stable.
In my security policy, running MS software is an unacceptable risk. Could you make me a PC that will not run any MS software at all? Oh yes, I assume I will not need to pay MS tax for a system that is disabled to run MS software.
The new Xserve which will be coming out this spring will have ecc ram FINALLY and will be a great server.
Also Linus bought a powerpc unit as his main linux testing box and Fedora is supporting powerpc as well as SuSE. Linux is still available and gaining ground in that architecture.
Funny 95% of all dvd's are region encoded and consumers dont care.
They dont backup data anyway and to top it off they would like a more secure pc and be able to watch drm enchanced video's and probably think its a new technology designed to help them.
Speaking of only running certified software, what are the chances of MS using it to hurt competition?
What will stop Balmer from going to a software manufactor and saying "You will not ever produce a product that competes against us. You will not port it to Linux or MacOSX. If MS decided to compete in your area you must dismantle the producct. Failure to do any of these will result in you being locked out of users desktops!"
Quite scary but very microsoftarian if such a word exists.
ALso watch while companies like Oracle and Borland never get certified to run in trusted hmmm why is that?
Oh well guess users have to use MS equilivants instead.
I will switch to a mac in a second if this nightmare reality ever shapes.
Microsoft changed the name to Palladium several times so I have no idea what its called today.
If you think TCPA is harmless do me a favor and look through last months stories about non IBM pMCIA cards being locked out for some Thinkpad units. I think the story was about HP doing it but they copied it from IBM.
Oh just reflash the BIOS right? With drm on BUZZZZ no access denied. TCPA you can turn on and off if I recall and with it off you can reflash your bios to use non approved IBM hardware or those that are IBM APPROVED.
Microsoft's implementation is different and more scary. It seems they are interested in using it as a DRM service to satisfy media conglomerates. Each peripheral has a trust relationship with other components. If you crack the encryption chip on your harddrive your video card and CPU will then relock it back down again. It sounds like a nightmare.
I have not read the papers on it for awhile and I may have forgotten how it works so take what I say with a grain of salt.
If they are doing to come out with DRM I would support IBM's TCPA.
Boo hoo they wont use our standards and prefer to run their company as they seem fit,... sniff sniff.
The best thing to do right now is advocacy. It was this and mass marketing that put Netscape out and IE in. Most of it was done by us IT guys who noticed IE was alot better. Second were webmasters who put on "This page best viewed with IE" logo's.
I have not seen any for firefox so far. Perhaps we should start doing that. Firefox is becoming the better mousetrap and at its rate it will become more and more easy to convince people to switch.
After that and proper CSS support, webmasters will see the IE for what it is.
I think perhaps an CSS plugin for IE may be called for. If webmasters could do that and have the little popup box saying please install CSS plugin to view this page, then using CSS would not be such a hard pill to swallow.
I read the article as "We can't control open standards and prefer to use a proprietary one instead". Watch for an MS version of CSS
Anyway that is just speculation.
But instead of playing catchup and waiting forever for IE7 why dont we add support for CSS via a plugin for IE?
Webmasters who use shockwave automatically refer Firefox and IE users to shockwaves website for a plugin. Why can't an OSS CSS plugin be written for IE? Then webmasters can finally start using modern CSS features that the other browsers support.
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ALso you and your family will freeze if the furnace is not fixed. That of course brings up demand.
A pc used to browse the web is not that essential so the demand is lower.
Most IT workers always start out as techs. For the parent who said retail work sucks, my job working at an amusuement park is worse. If any tech companies were hiring in my area I would sign up in a second. I have too many colleges here so its hard to find work but anything beats directing traffic for $6/hr.
I think the difference is this.
People want licensed professional home builders to fix their houses because the homes are worth alot of money.
Pc's are worth jack. If the value of a pc is $400 why would you want to pay someone 1/4th the value of that pc to fix it? If you call the tech who charges $100/hr twice a year, you could just have bought half a new pc.
Farther down the discussions here was someone who mentioned who charged $200 and his silly clients pay him $5000-$7000 a year for looking after several pc;s.
I kindly told him that the customer is an idiot since he could just throw away all his pc's in the trash for the price and frequency of this top tech.
That is the problem.
Also its value. A car is essential and so is a roof over your head. Unless run a business a home based pc has little value if its used just to watch porn and browse the web.
For that price the guy could just throw his pc away in the trash and buy several every year.
I can see where a professional might want $200 an hour but the value of pc's are falling. Why pay someone half the value of what a computer is worth?
Uh where is this company?
I am an out of work former techie working for 6/hr at an amusuement park while I am going back to school.
I may not be super experienced but I at least know and have used SSH, VNC, and setup WEP over my WAP.
I would happy to work for $10/hr until I gain experience because I am desperate and I am A+ certified.
HEll compared to what I am making now I would happily accept 10/hr!
It beats minimium wage anyday.
I am wondering if the IT industry has any demand for us again after I got laid off in 2001.
People here are whining about 40/hr. Its unreal. I know people who make under $10,000 a year and support a family where I work. Really 12/hr is a ton of money and is luxury compared to what the rest of America makes.
Wow
.com crash I could not find anywork. I only have 2 years of experience and I am both A+ and MCSE( shudder) certified.
I should get back into the computer field. After the
I now work 6/hr and live off food stamps while I go back to school.
I wonder if the demand is back?
I did an emerge --sync and an emerge -u world just a few hours ago.
I wonder if this new release is why autoconf became broken and why I can't compile anything,
Hmm I happen to disagree.
How did MS win a monopoly? They got it from IBM because no respectable business would run any pc unless it had the name IBM.
Once the inferior IBM pc came out they monopolized the market overnight.
Small businesses may have experimented with early micro-computers but mainframes were everything. Infact my old man almost got fired back in 1985 for chosing IBM pc's on every desk instead of dumb terminals and an IBM 380 mainframe.
I was thinking of the opposite with ISP's using Avalon and webservices for renting applications.
.NET.
MS wants to use IE as teh new mechanism for software subscriptions including office and
A cheap console like device with some storage locally but most on an ISP would make sense. I imagine a Tivo like device which would be a smart terminal or thin client. You can see the trend?
I thought thin clients were cheaper?
MS back in 99 just changed the EULA for WIndows and OFFICE to make using Terminal server more expensive soley to claim "pc's are cheaper". Kind of slimy if you ask me.
If I recall before the rise of Linux, ms new enemy after netscape became network computers. Obviously MS wants revenue from every user to satisfy shareholder demands.
Clearly if we were not so dependant on MS software the corps would be using terminals or just really thin clients again like in the 70's and 80's with terminals. Pc's are complex today which is why the trend to reverse is there.
Isn't Dell working or researching on a mini-server that houses 4-5 monitors and keyboards for that reason? I would not be surprised if blade computers being shared becomes the next big thing in the office. That is unless MS changes their EULA's to make them more expensive then hav ing individual pc's/.
So TV Is also here. Better get used to it or learn self discpline and study?
I have ADD and spend too much time on computers.
Computers are usefull for higher end math but just like calculators they ruin everything and do not help students learn. Any graphing calculator is inappropriate for students who are not at least in calculus.
Same with computers.
Hate to say it but MS did just that before.
If I recall Oracle funded via campaign contributions the first DOJ trail agaisnt Microsoft. MS responded by making VB integrate with SQL and included SQL Server free of charge with MSDN. Ouch.
To this day Oracle is recovering. Really Bill Gates would cream at this opportunity. There is nothing Oracle and can do to get back at this point. Suing does not help either as they tried that in the past as well.
agreed.
I do not bother with the packages on FreeBSD anymore. They are always broken. I can never figure out what is wrong. Ports too if you cvsup alot for security fixes. I admit I do start with ports and then use some packages. Wrong compiler settings with dependancies can cause alot of strange core dumps and bugs.
Its too easy to brake something but ports are better. Ports are not perfect either if you cvsup. You can read the CHANGES file all you want but I could not get java to work for over a month. The port required an old version of a patch file that was no longer being served.
I switched back to Windows because I needed java.
Actually if thats his business I am sure he would no
t mind gay porn websites being hosted at soso.com or whatever it is.
Just because he hosts it does not mean he views it himself. Money is money.
Back in the 20th century Debian was not that old.
My guess is FOSS really took off unexpectingly and Linux became ported to more architectures besides x86 and the Alpha. This caused the folks at Debian to focus on everybody including the atari users.
If a bug was fixed for most platforms but the amiga users (all 15) was still present, then package X would not be updated on any of the other releases. This is whats hurting it.
I hate to say it but the x86, powerpc, and sparc versions should be ahead and have a later version then the others. FreeBSD for example has alpha and powerpc as different tiers of support, although alpha is still pretty stable.
I missread your previous comment. My apologies.
I assumed Solaris included the possix utilities that BSD includes instead.
There is more than gnu in free software. Agreed.
In my security policy, running MS software is an unacceptable risk. Could you make me a PC that will not run any MS software at all? Oh yes, I assume I will not need to pay MS tax for a system that is disabled to run MS software.
Sure not a problem.
The new Xserve which will be coming out this spring will have ecc ram FINALLY and will be a great server.
Also Linus bought a powerpc unit as his main linux testing box and Fedora is supporting powerpc as well as SuSE. Linux is still available and gaining ground in that architecture.
Funny 95% of all dvd's are region encoded and consumers dont care.
They dont backup data anyway and to top it off they would like a more secure pc and be able to watch drm enchanced video's and probably think its a new technology designed to help them.
Speaking of only running certified software, what are the chances of MS using it to hurt competition?
What will stop Balmer from going to a software manufactor and saying "You will not ever produce a product that competes against us. You will not port it to Linux or MacOSX. If MS decided to compete in your area you must dismantle the producct. Failure to do any of these will result in you being locked out of users desktops!"
Quite scary but very microsoftarian if such a word exists.
ALso watch while companies like Oracle and Borland never get certified to run in trusted hmmm why is that?
Oh well guess users have to use MS equilivants instead.
I will switch to a mac in a second if this nightmare reality ever shapes.
Yep
An early post here linked to IBM's TCPA website as proof that its harmless.
Yet slashdotters forget the story a month ago about HP and IBM locking out PCMIA peripherals.
TCPA is different from Microsoft's palladium.
Unless the manufactors are using TCPA instead?
Microsoft changed the name to Palladium several times so I have no idea what its called today.
If you think TCPA is harmless do me a favor and look through last months stories about non IBM pMCIA cards being locked out for some Thinkpad units. I think the story was about HP doing it but they copied it from IBM.
Oh just reflash the BIOS right? With drm on BUZZZZ no access denied. TCPA you can turn on and off if I recall and with it off you can reflash your bios to use non approved IBM hardware or those that are IBM APPROVED.
Microsoft's implementation is different and more scary. It seems they are interested in using it as a DRM service to satisfy media conglomerates. Each peripheral has a trust relationship with other components. If you crack the encryption chip on your harddrive your video card and CPU will then relock it back down again. It sounds like a nightmare.
I have not read the papers on it for awhile and I may have forgotten how it works so take what I say with a grain of salt.
If they are doing to come out with DRM I would support IBM's TCPA.
Otherwise my next computer will be a mac.
.. and sue for what?
Boo hoo they wont use our standards and prefer to run their company as they seem fit,... sniff sniff.
The best thing to do right now is advocacy. It was this and mass marketing that put Netscape out and IE in. Most of it was done by us IT guys who noticed IE was alot better. Second were webmasters who put on "This page best viewed with IE" logo's.
I have not seen any for firefox so far. Perhaps we should start doing that. Firefox is becoming the better mousetrap and at its rate it will become more and more easy to convince people to switch.
After that and proper CSS support, webmasters will see the IE for what it is.
I think perhaps an CSS plugin for IE may be called for. If webmasters could do that and have the little popup box saying please install CSS plugin to view this page, then using CSS would not be such a hard pill to swallow.
Notice it was when MS took over a market it was WAIT until we have something better to fix our bad products.
The web slowed down after IE won. Windows innovation was terrible after OS/2 left.
Now we have firefox and OSS operating systems. Windows is improving as a result but we need more marketshare of Firefox.
If the previous poster was right about IE crippling its self to hurt google then perhaps a google branded version of Firefox might be a good idea.
In the 90's do you remember those logo saying made for IE or best viewed with IE? Time to create one for Firefox.
If firefox eats up more marketshare it will heat up and cause innovation again.
Joe desktop installs spyware plugins from companies like gator's commit cursors as well as quicktime and shockwave plugins.
Joe wont over visit www.mozzila.org but may if a cute little popup informs him that this site needs plugin CSS to be work properly.
I read the article as "We can't control open standards and prefer to use a proprietary one instead". Watch for an MS version of CSS
Anyway that is just speculation.
But instead of playing catchup and waiting forever for IE7 why dont we add support for CSS via a plugin for IE?
Webmasters who use shockwave automatically refer Firefox and IE users to shockwaves website for a plugin. Why can't an OSS CSS plugin be written for IE? Then webmasters can finally start using modern CSS features that the other browsers support.