Why not just eliminate Python completely and free us all from it's terrible reign?;)
Agreed. Since node.js is cool now with the hipsters lets all vote for it! After all the PHb's Looove standards and less things to support is always better.
... that if we do the MPAA, telecoms, ISPs, and media companies will be sending out their lobbyists to make sure they own 100% of before the bill is even finished. Also the NSA and CIA will want backdoors and own all the private keys.
Russia and China will make their own internet where they will be owned by their own special dirty interest groups and government agency.
Yeah great job. As crappy as what we have now at least DNS with ICAAN and much of what we have is somewhat decentralized even if the it reaks of American rule for many international readers.
The problem is not evil ISPs. It is EVIL LOBBYING by ALL governments and special interests that is the root of the problem. The USA is a bad 1st world country where it's citizens vote on evolution, abortition, in over representated districts in rural areas to help Republican votes count more and feels giving money == free speech. Go try that with a judge folks and say your honor here is free speech and hand him $100 and see how long you get before being thrown in prison!
Yet when a company does it it is their GOD GIVEN right.
Still compared to Russia, China, and India the US is still a God send but even the EU is a little dirty.
Not a fan of Windows per say. I am just frustrated with the lack of progress with Linux and hate each OS like a bitter old man for different reasons. Thank God at for vms. I want a FreeBSD based stable OS with the GUI and ease of use of Ubuntu of 2006 with compviz and the app and development ecosystem of Windows.
If they DOJ split MS we would have a cool office suite, SharePoint, visual studio and cloud services on all platforms. Oddly the new MS is moving in this direction as it cares about clouds azure and software rentals. But the Windows kernel is not bad today and like what vs code and visual studio are today.
Don't be ridiculous. It's nice to have a package manager to install things, such as git, on Windows. My website runs on IIS, and it's nice for my development environment to be the same.
Microsoft oddly has contributed to GIT with GITFS which Microsoft uses internally for Office development.:-) Nice to see them use open source stuff.
Git comes with visual studio and you do not WSL. Last I looked WSL looked like a fun cool hack but lacked networking and Xorg needed work to even run headless. Has this changed?
You know, with the features that make Linux better, like stability, performance and security. This is just a crappy Windows kernel with a Linux interface. If I want that, Cygwin gives me that and (of course!) the ability to run X11 applications as well.
Cygwin is worse as it translates posix calls to win32 and last I looked was outdated. Part of the problem too is Windows is not text based as it is object based. What good will awk and sed do in Windows?
You can run X11 on Windows. Google headless Xorg in Windows 10? In many ways WSL is better. For me I would just say run a damn VM if you need features of both platforms:-)
KMS is free. Virtualbox is free. If you have Windows 10 pro or enterprise Hyper-V is free under add or remove features and is a solid type 1 hypervisor like Vmware ESX and KMS. My take is if you need.NET run Windows. If you need ngix run Unix and not mix. WIth cheap Ryzen cpus with 6 - 8 cores, gigs of ram, and ssds everywhere it is not a big deal to run a virtual machine anymore.
I switched back to Windows from Linux when 10 came out cause they fixed all the windows 7 fuckups. UI was a pain in the ass to get used to, but that's with any new OS
I'd disagree - OSX has been relatively stable across many many releases as far as GUI interaction goes. Linux, on the whole, has kept its GUI more stable than any 2 consecutive releases of windows ever has since XP, possibly with the exception of the 8.0->8.1 point release, which I personally avoided like the steaming pile of shit it was.
?? XP? Does the term Winrot bring any memories of the past? I was going to say Windows is supperior in the fact it doesn't break between releases because it has an ABI compared to Linux. Hairyfeet on here has the hairyfeet challenge. Get any Linux distro in a VM and run more than 2 updates and see if it will still work? Really try it. Graphics drivers will always break and Xorg is a whole mess unto itself which breaks itself all the time.
If you think OSX is stable you must not have used mountain lion or used wifi with yosemite. Safari sometimes can work with Office 365. Every other browser works fine with it. When you uninstall something on MacOSX it leaves part of its traces on the system which become a nightmare to troubleshoot. Apple in it's wisdom wants to make sure you can't read hidden files in your ~libraries to find the cryptic containers to rid of the broken app that sticks around after an uninstall.
Linux might have a GUI that changed little but it is unusable. I do not want a cell phone my desktop with Gnome3.
I just cussed at TrueOS and Chrome wouldn't install either in a VM with Xubuntu until I did some hacks all this afternoon.
Linux is buggy too but in it's own little ways. Xorg and the lack of a kernel ABI means things break when you do updates. This problem doesn't exist for Windows as you can use closed source drives which are a plus. You click on them and after an install it works. Done. Still waiting for this on Linux but the GNU zealots are black listing this. Windows 10 so far as a desktop is the most reliable OS I have besides FreeBSD. FreeBSD I use for other purposes besides a desktop.
I just cursed at TrueOS again this afternoon as I tried to get it to work in a VM. It is based off of FreeBSD 12 current and is alpha grade and not worthy for production.
Have you used Windows 10? The GUI is fucking terrible. I'd say there are no decent desktop systems these days, but really, under the hood, Linux is as solid as ever. I run Debian installs as custom routers that are up 24/7/365 and I'm not seeing any evidence at all of instability. So frankly, your claim is just a load of shit.
Why is the gui bad? Compared to 8 it is wonderful. Is it too flat? Are the tiles weird? How old are you if you do not mind me asking? I am not saying you are an old but as we get older change does become harder. I am 40 and noticed I am already resistant to some changes and video games where 15 years ago I would be playing and learning new things I do not get a quick now as reaction time and fast paced learning is too much.
Good news is in 2017 Windows is not the POS it once was based on DOS back in the 1990s. We also have virtualizers and lots of cores and cheap ram and SSDs. Run what you like and run another OS in a VM. I do this too as I wanted to learn some web development work and I always fuck up my host and end up reinstalling last decade. Now I just download a www.turnkeylinux.com appliance for simple stuff so the host never gets screwed. I did this for Linux and now I do it for Windows 10 in Hyper-V.
Linux has KMS which is also a type 1 hypervisor that uses the drivers of Hyper-V. No need to buy that expensive POS known as VMWare Workstation today in 2017.
ReiserFS was not that great when it was under active development, and as far as I am aware while he was the first to implement some interesting filesystem features on Linux, he did not actually invent any of those concepts. The statement about XFS/btrFS is unsupportable.
Systemd has made many correct design decisions. The valid criticisms are completely drowned by people like you who don't understand the problems it's designed to solve. There's a reason why people keep inventing replacements for sysvinit.
the economic cost to the rest of us will most likely be greater than the damage Hans did to society.
We don't measure that murder in economic terms. What a foul comparison.
I used to agree with you. Sysinit was designed for a computer (mini computer before being called a server) for a system with maybe 80 utilites and programs at the most. Very simplistic to do a few things and you set once and walk away for many years until the machine gets decommisioned etc.
A modern linux distro with +30,000 utilities running for example on a modern laptop is a nightmare in comparison if you need events like a laptop going asleep and waking up in a different time zone or when an apache server gets hacked and needs to quarantine itself or when a node fails in a cluster etc. Sysinit is not designed for these scenarios and Linux has hte worst ugliest scripts. NetBSD tries to do BSD to make it look cleaner but still.
Problem is SystemD is another nightmare all together. Sure you can setup stuff above in scenarios but when it fails IT FAILS BIG. The event processes are known to randomly change raid configurations during reboots, loose data, and events are difficult to debug. Sysinit is sequential even if an ugly hack of if/fi else scripts through the godzoo is not pretty you can debug it and you do not have unexecpted behavior.
Nothing scares a Network Administrator more than unpredictable behavior. Especially whose job counts on having a 99.97% uptime and a bonus only if your servers hit 99.99% uptime in their performance reviews.
OpenRC tries to be both. Ubuntu had upstart and even Apple has starteD or startD that do some event work and can handle a change like a laptop sleeping and waking up, but are not so alien and engulf.
I do not do system administration work anymore but might soon as I am applying on job sites. SystemD has me nervous as I do not want to support it from what I read here and from what colleagues have told me. Even if I have to learn it I do not like the idea my RAID or SAN might be configured one way, then when the system restarts it will be reconfigured a different way from some unknown reason that SystemD did from an event.
The more it tries to do the more work we have to figure out what it did when shit hits the fan.
Mono is alive and well. It is part of.NET core which Visual Studio is using to port itself to Linux. MS Code editor already is on Linux and MacOSX using.NET core with a few mono libraries.
The three are one. Security too as Windows was unstable due to its crashiness. If you can't control where the program points in ram addresses it means a hacker could plant some code and easily point it to the payload instead of a random spot to gpfault or give an IRQ_lessthan or equal BSOD. Notice how Windows got very stable when it took security seriously starting with WIndows 7/server 2008?
Bugs and errors can be fixed by good programming and design.
Yes, FreeBSD is what I call a long term supported, server style OS.
(That's not to imply it can't be a desktop OS. I used Solaris 2.5.1, 2.6, 8 and 10 on SPARC for my desktop, for over 10 years...)
iXsystems took over the old PCBSD and now calls it TrueOS. Still based on FreeBSD, and intended as a desktop OS. Still a bit raw. And probably does not have the driver support Linux has, but if Linux goes messy, (SystemD everywhere!), then I will have to consider migrating from Gentoo to TrueOS.
One thing I absolutely love, is ZFS. (And yes, on Gentoo Linux it's rock stable.) This gets me so many features, like alternate boot environments for software upgrades, home filesystem snapshots for easy file recovery, simple disk mirroring, and data / RAID verification.
Thanks Lady I do not have experience wiht Solaris other than running uname. I do say I HATE trueOS as just a a few hours ago when I was typing that post I was trying to install it on my Windows 10 Desktop using Hyper-V. It won't even post in either UEFI or in Bios mode as either guest.
TrueOS is based off of FreeBSD 12 current according to their website which is still over a year away! It kind of reminds me of old Mandrake back in the day where it had lots of bugs when you exited XFree86 Kde1 and saw all the errors on the terminal.
To be fair I couldn't get the mouse to work after logging into Mate from FreeBSd 11.1 which I just installed that has generation 1 EFI support for Hyper-V so there is that on the bleeding edge. I want to play with ZFS when I get time to learn it. These days I was leaning more towards SharePoint help at work but maybe doing more admin stuff on the side.
If TrueOS was based off of a stable FreeBSD distro my respect for it would go WAAAY up as current is not even alpha. It is beta.
Yeah except MacOSX has it's own version of SystemD called startup which also tries to outsmart init with an autostarting daemon that starts other daemons that is not that configurable.
Not saying it is as bad as SystemD. I am just it tries to make it friendly and visual and do things for you which is what drives Unix nerds mad.
FreeBSD - Stable and ultra fast on x86 hardware. Good for file servers, desktops, anything. OpenBSD - Stable but not performant. Useful for infrastructure.
I really like OpenBSD. I ran it for many years and even contributed hardware to the project. That being said, the security features in it don't outweigh its performance drawbacks. Some of this is due to the security features (e.g. PID randomization slows process generation) so your choice will be workload dependent. Your hardware choices with Open will be more limited as well and you don't get stuff like ZFS. I'd experiment with both.
PID randomization is included with FreeBSD 11.x as well as few other hardening options when you install.
TrueOS is utter crap and DesktopBSD hasn't been updated in a long time.
TrueOS uses FreeBSD 12 current which is over a year awhile and reminds me of early versions of Mandrake early last decade which never quite worked or crapped out as soon as you updated.
I just tried installing it in Hyper-V a few hours ago and it won't even post in generation 1 or 2 guests. FreeBSD 11.1 no problems for both.... however I found a bug in Xorg with the mouse having issues as soon as Mate loads up on gen 2 hypervisor just now:-( (it came out 72 hours ago so things like this are expected)
I have not tried OpenBSD so take what I have to say with a grain of salt. I would not say it is safer. The drivers are not as up to date or existent which is essential for good uptimes with supported hardware on a server. Linux unfortunately is more tested and so is FreeBSD.
FreeBSD has ZFS, dtrace, and the amazing handbook which I recommend to buy in paperback and amazing man pages which even include Unix history so it can rock for a server.
As a desktop sigh yes you need to watch youtube videos and read the handbook and spend a food afternoon to get a gui, Sudo, bash and gnuls --color, and other things a modern Ubuntu user would expect after an installation.
PfSense uses it but more as a customized distro and equipment for routers and firewalls. So that is enterprise level support and I use their pfSense iso for my Hyper-V routers I use in my home lab.
They are great for offices of 100 users or less who do not want to buy a full expensive Cisco switch and router and have a guy come in and charge up the wazoo for a medium sized office. PfSense and do both layer 2 and 3.
Cisco on purpose tries to differentiate so you have to buy a switch AND a router and convinced network engineers that this is the proper way.
FreeBSD is quite popular. Issue is well it is hardcore:-)
But FreeBSD is conservative and known to be quite stable for server builds. What I love about FreeBSD is I find the FreeBSD handbook and manpages quite superior to Linux.
Linux is abunch of things glued together and grown. FreeBSD is designed and feels like a complete OS. The tools are BSD based, Documentation is BSD based, even the sample scripts, and then of course the kernel etc. The ports in/usr/ports also pull from the sources and apply FreeBSD patches to each one. It is a more integrated feel as seperate teams working together make the OS. Not a bunch of guys in a basement putting stuff togehter independently and calling it a linux distro.... ok my last rant was true 15 years when we had lots of smaller distros made by kids. Ubuntu and CentOS/Redhat are professional. But outside support for things like Duvaan are not there.
I am not bashing it but a few guys who hate SystemD writting on github for Duvuaan scare me as I have no idea who they are and what kind of quality controls.
FreeBSD has ZFS (not a user mode hack), dtrace, and jails too so it does have a use besides Hey we are not Linux clone.
FreeBSD will not come with a gui by default. You will need to look up the handbook or go to youtube on setting up Xorg and your X11-wm of course and creating a Sudo file etc. But FreeBSD 11.1 has long term support not just for security updates but also application updates which unlike Redhat/CentOS can turn crusty after a few years.
Both Amazon and Microsoft have contributed code to FreeBSD for Azure/Hyper-V and Amazons web services so pull up a free VM to play with.
OpenBSd has hardly any drivers and is not that user friendly. FreeBSD is better as it has up to date drivers, ZFS, dtrace, jails, and is more supported.
This is a story about raising taxes on the wealthy. Which is the Democratic Party position. So in fact the 60 million "dirt poor" that voted for Trump would be helped.
Do you see how your bullshit post just fell apart?
It is the Democratic position as a rich man only needs to buy how many toasters to boost the economy. You tax the poor folks and they stop spending which causes employers to cut jobs which then cuts from sales taxes.
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Why not just eliminate Python completely and free us all from it's terrible reign? ;)
Agreed. Since node.js is cool now with the hipsters lets all vote for it! After all the PHb's Looove standards and less things to support is always better.
Lots of crusty legacy and fanatical users mixed with users with a if it aint broke don't fix it attitude.
It will be around for a long time.
Maybe including both?
... that if we do the MPAA, telecoms, ISPs, and media companies will be sending out their lobbyists to make sure they own 100% of before the bill is even finished. Also the NSA and CIA will want backdoors and own all the private keys.
Russia and China will make their own internet where they will be owned by their own special dirty interest groups and government agency.
Yeah great job. As crappy as what we have now at least DNS with ICAAN and much of what we have is somewhat decentralized even if the it reaks of American rule for many international readers.
The problem is not evil ISPs. It is EVIL LOBBYING by ALL governments and special interests that is the root of the problem. The USA is a bad 1st world country where it's citizens vote on evolution, abortition, in over representated districts in rural areas to help Republican votes count more and feels giving money == free speech. Go try that with a judge folks and say your honor here is free speech and hand him $100 and see how long you get before being thrown in prison!
Yet when a company does it it is their GOD GIVEN right.
Still compared to Russia, China, and India the US is still a God send but even the EU is a little dirty.
TrueOS is based off of current which is why I always had problems. If it were based off of stable it would be different
Not a fan of Windows per say. I am just frustrated with the lack of progress with Linux and hate each OS like a bitter old man for different reasons. Thank God at for vms. I want a FreeBSD based stable OS with the GUI and ease of use of Ubuntu of 2006 with compviz and the app and development ecosystem of Windows.
If they DOJ split MS we would have a cool office suite, SharePoint, visual studio and cloud services on all platforms. Oddly the new MS is moving in this direction as it cares about clouds azure and software rentals. But the Windows kernel is not bad today and like what vs code and visual studio are today.
What tools was she using?
The creators update lets you set updates for up to 60 days just like Windows 7 and Vista did.
Don't be ridiculous. It's nice to have a package manager to install things, such as git, on Windows. My website runs on IIS, and it's nice for my development environment to be the same.
Microsoft oddly has contributed to GIT with GITFS which Microsoft uses internally for Office development. :-) Nice to see them use open source stuff.
Git comes with visual studio and you do not WSL. Last I looked WSL looked like a fun cool hack but lacked networking and Xorg needed work to even run headless. Has this changed?
You know, with the features that make Linux better, like stability, performance and security. This is just a crappy Windows kernel with a Linux interface. If I want that, Cygwin gives me that and (of course!) the ability to run X11 applications as well.
Cygwin is worse as it translates posix calls to win32 and last I looked was outdated. Part of the problem too is Windows is not text based as it is object based. What good will awk and sed do in Windows?
You can run X11 on Windows. Google headless Xorg in Windows 10? In many ways WSL is better. For me I would just say run a damn VM if you need features of both platforms :-)
KMS is free. Virtualbox is free. If you have Windows 10 pro or enterprise Hyper-V is free under add or remove features and is a solid type 1 hypervisor like Vmware ESX and KMS. My take is if you need .NET run Windows. If you need ngix run Unix and not mix. WIth cheap Ryzen cpus with 6 - 8 cores, gigs of ram, and ssds everywhere it is not a big deal to run a virtual machine anymore.
I switched back to Windows from Linux when 10 came out cause they fixed all the windows 7 fuckups. UI was a pain in the ass to get used to, but that's with any new OS
I'd disagree - OSX has been relatively stable across many many releases as far as GUI interaction goes. Linux, on the whole, has kept its GUI more stable than any 2 consecutive releases of windows ever has since XP, possibly with the exception of the 8.0->8.1 point release, which I personally avoided like the steaming pile of shit it was.
?? XP? Does the term Winrot bring any memories of the past? I was going to say Windows is supperior in the fact it doesn't break between releases because it has an ABI compared to Linux. Hairyfeet on here has the hairyfeet challenge. Get any Linux distro in a VM and run more than 2 updates and see if it will still work? Really try it. Graphics drivers will always break and Xorg is a whole mess unto itself which breaks itself all the time.
If you think OSX is stable you must not have used mountain lion or used wifi with yosemite. Safari sometimes can work with Office 365. Every other browser works fine with it. When you uninstall something on MacOSX it leaves part of its traces on the system which become a nightmare to troubleshoot. Apple in it's wisdom wants to make sure you can't read hidden files in your ~libraries to find the cryptic containers to rid of the broken app that sticks around after an uninstall.
Linux might have a GUI that changed little but it is unusable. I do not want a cell phone my desktop with Gnome3.
I just cussed at TrueOS and Chrome wouldn't install either in a VM with Xubuntu until I did some hacks all this afternoon.
Linux is buggy too but in it's own little ways. Xorg and the lack of a kernel ABI means things break when you do updates. This problem doesn't exist for Windows as you can use closed source drives which are a plus. You click on them and after an install it works. Done. Still waiting for this on Linux but the GNU zealots are black listing this. Windows 10 so far as a desktop is the most reliable OS I have besides FreeBSD. FreeBSD I use for other purposes besides a desktop.
I just cursed at TrueOS again this afternoon as I tried to get it to work in a VM. It is based off of FreeBSD 12 current and is alpha grade and not worthy for production.
Have you used Windows 10? The GUI is fucking terrible. I'd say there are no decent desktop systems these days, but really, under the hood, Linux is as solid as ever. I run Debian installs as custom routers that are up 24/7/365 and I'm not seeing any evidence at all of instability. So frankly, your claim is just a load of shit.
Why is the gui bad? Compared to 8 it is wonderful. Is it too flat? Are the tiles weird? How old are you if you do not mind me asking? I am not saying you are an old but as we get older change does become harder. I am 40 and noticed I am already resistant to some changes and video games where 15 years ago I would be playing and learning new things I do not get a quick now as reaction time and fast paced learning is too much.
Good news is in 2017 Windows is not the POS it once was based on DOS back in the 1990s. We also have virtualizers and lots of cores and cheap ram and SSDs. Run what you like and run another OS in a VM. I do this too as I wanted to learn some web development work and I always fuck up my host and end up reinstalling last decade. Now I just download a www.turnkeylinux.com appliance for simple stuff so the host never gets screwed. I did this for Linux and now I do it for Windows 10 in Hyper-V.
Linux has KMS which is also a type 1 hypervisor that uses the drivers of Hyper-V. No need to buy that expensive POS known as VMWare Workstation today in 2017.
ReiserFS was not that great when it was under active development, and as far as I am aware while he was the first to implement some interesting filesystem features on Linux, he did not actually invent any of those concepts. The statement about XFS/btrFS is unsupportable.
Systemd has made many correct design decisions. The valid criticisms are completely drowned by people like you who don't understand the problems it's designed to solve. There's a reason why people keep inventing replacements for sysvinit.
the economic cost to the rest of us will most likely be greater than the damage Hans did to society.
We don't measure that murder in economic terms. What a foul comparison.
I used to agree with you. Sysinit was designed for a computer (mini computer before being called a server) for a system with maybe 80 utilites and programs at the most. Very simplistic to do a few things and you set once and walk away for many years until the machine gets decommisioned etc.
A modern linux distro with +30,000 utilities running for example on a modern laptop is a nightmare in comparison if you need events like a laptop going asleep and waking up in a different time zone or when an apache server gets hacked and needs to quarantine itself or when a node fails in a cluster etc. Sysinit is not designed for these scenarios and Linux has hte worst ugliest scripts. NetBSD tries to do BSD to make it look cleaner but still.
Problem is SystemD is another nightmare all together. Sure you can setup stuff above in scenarios but when it fails IT FAILS BIG. The event processes are known to randomly change raid configurations during reboots, loose data, and events are difficult to debug. Sysinit is sequential even if an ugly hack of if/fi else scripts through the godzoo is not pretty you can debug it and you do not have unexecpted behavior.
Nothing scares a Network Administrator more than unpredictable behavior. Especially whose job counts on having a 99.97% uptime and a bonus only if your servers hit 99.99% uptime in their performance reviews.
OpenRC tries to be both. Ubuntu had upstart and even Apple has starteD or startD that do some event work and can handle a change like a laptop sleeping and waking up, but are not so alien and engulf.
I do not do system administration work anymore but might soon as I am applying on job sites. SystemD has me nervous as I do not want to support it from what I read here and from what colleagues have told me. Even if I have to learn it I do not like the idea my RAID or SAN might be configured one way, then when the system restarts it will be reconfigured a different way from some unknown reason that SystemD did from an event.
The more it tries to do the more work we have to figure out what it did when shit hits the fan.
Mono is alive and well. It is part of .NET core which Visual Studio is using to port itself to Linux. MS Code editor already is on Linux and MacOSX using .NET core with a few mono libraries.
The three are one. Security too as Windows was unstable due to its crashiness. If you can't control where the program points in ram addresses it means a hacker could plant some code and easily point it to the payload instead of a random spot to gpfault or give an IRQ_lessthan or equal BSOD. Notice how Windows got very stable when it took security seriously starting with WIndows 7/server 2008?
Bugs and errors can be fixed by good programming and design.
Yes, FreeBSD is what I call a long term supported, server style OS.
(That's not to imply it can't be a desktop OS. I used Solaris 2.5.1, 2.6, 8 and 10 on SPARC for my desktop, for over 10 years...)
iXsystems took over the old PCBSD and now calls it TrueOS. Still based on FreeBSD, and intended as a desktop OS. Still a bit raw. And probably does not have the driver support Linux has, but if Linux goes messy, (SystemD everywhere!), then I will have to consider migrating from Gentoo to TrueOS.
One thing I absolutely love, is ZFS. (And yes, on Gentoo Linux it's rock stable.) This gets me so many features, like alternate boot environments for software upgrades, home filesystem snapshots for easy file recovery, simple disk mirroring, and data / RAID verification.
Thanks Lady I do not have experience wiht Solaris other than running uname. I do say I HATE trueOS as just a a few hours ago when I was typing that post I was trying to install it on my Windows 10 Desktop using Hyper-V. It won't even post in either UEFI or in Bios mode as either guest.
TrueOS is based off of FreeBSD 12 current according to their website which is still over a year away! It kind of reminds me of old Mandrake back in the day where it had lots of bugs when you exited XFree86 Kde1 and saw all the errors on the terminal.
To be fair I couldn't get the mouse to work after logging into Mate from FreeBSd 11.1 which I just installed that has generation 1 EFI support for Hyper-V so there is that on the bleeding edge. I want to play with ZFS when I get time to learn it. These days I was leaning more towards SharePoint help at work but maybe doing more admin stuff on the side.
If TrueOS was based off of a stable FreeBSD distro my respect for it would go WAAAY up as current is not even alpha. It is beta.
Yeah except MacOSX has it's own version of SystemD called startup which also tries to outsmart init with an autostarting daemon that starts other daemons that is not that configurable.
Not saying it is as bad as SystemD. I am just it tries to make it friendly and visual and do things for you which is what drives Unix nerds mad.
I've run Open and Free. Here is my opinion:
FreeBSD - Stable and ultra fast on x86 hardware. Good for file servers, desktops, anything.
OpenBSD - Stable but not performant. Useful for infrastructure.
I really like OpenBSD. I ran it for many years and even contributed hardware to the project. That being said, the security features in it don't outweigh its performance drawbacks. Some of this is due to the security features (e.g. PID randomization slows process generation) so your choice will be workload dependent. Your hardware choices with Open will be more limited as well and you don't get stuff like ZFS. I'd experiment with both.
PID randomization is included with FreeBSD 11.x as well as few other hardening options when you install.
TrueOS is utter crap and DesktopBSD hasn't been updated in a long time.
TrueOS uses FreeBSD 12 current which is over a year awhile and reminds me of early versions of Mandrake early last decade which never quite worked or crapped out as soon as you updated.
I just tried installing it in Hyper-V a few hours ago and it won't even post in generation 1 or 2 guests. FreeBSD 11.1 no problems for both. ... however I found a bug in Xorg with the mouse having issues as soon as Mate loads up on gen 2 hypervisor just now :-( (it came out 72 hours ago so things like this are expected)
I have not tried OpenBSD so take what I have to say with a grain of salt. I would not say it is safer. The drivers are not as up to date or existent which is essential for good uptimes with supported hardware on a server. Linux unfortunately is more tested and so is FreeBSD.
FreeBSD has ZFS, dtrace, and the amazing handbook which I recommend to buy in paperback and amazing man pages which even include Unix history so it can rock for a server.
As a desktop sigh yes you need to watch youtube videos and read the handbook and spend a food afternoon to get a gui, Sudo, bash and gnuls --color, and other things a modern Ubuntu user would expect after an installation.
I thought Walnut Creek got acquired by the FreeBSD foundation. Did it not?
PfSense uses it but more as a customized distro and equipment for routers and firewalls. So that is enterprise level support and I use their pfSense iso for my Hyper-V routers I use in my home lab.
They are great for offices of 100 users or less who do not want to buy a full expensive Cisco switch and router and have a guy come in and charge up the wazoo for a medium sized office. PfSense and do both layer 2 and 3.
Cisco on purpose tries to differentiate so you have to buy a switch AND a router and convinced network engineers that this is the proper way.
FreeBSD is quite popular. Issue is well it is hardcore :-)
But FreeBSD is conservative and known to be quite stable for server builds. What I love about FreeBSD is I find the FreeBSD handbook and manpages quite superior to Linux.
Linux is abunch of things glued together and grown. FreeBSD is designed and feels like a complete OS. The tools are BSD based, Documentation is BSD based, even the sample scripts, and then of course the kernel etc. The ports in /usr/ports also pull from the sources and apply FreeBSD patches to each one. It is a more integrated feel as seperate teams working together make the OS. Not a bunch of guys in a basement putting stuff togehter independently and calling it a linux distro. ... ok my last rant was true 15 years when we had lots of smaller distros made by kids. Ubuntu and CentOS/Redhat are professional. But outside support for things like Duvaan are not there.
I am not bashing it but a few guys who hate SystemD writting on github for Duvuaan scare me as I have no idea who they are and what kind of quality controls.
FreeBSD has ZFS (not a user mode hack), dtrace, and jails too so it does have a use besides Hey we are not Linux clone.
FreeBSD will not come with a gui by default. You will need to look up the handbook or go to youtube on setting up Xorg and your X11-wm of course and creating a Sudo file etc. But FreeBSD 11.1 has long term support not just for security updates but also application updates which unlike Redhat/CentOS can turn crusty after a few years.
Both Amazon and Microsoft have contributed code to FreeBSD for Azure/Hyper-V and Amazons web services so pull up a free VM to play with.
OpenBSd has hardly any drivers and is not that user friendly. FreeBSD is better as it has up to date drivers, ZFS, dtrace, jails, and is more supported.
This is a story about raising taxes on the wealthy. Which is the Democratic Party position. So in fact the 60 million "dirt poor" that voted for Trump would be helped.
Do you see how your bullshit post just fell apart?
It is the Democratic position as a rich man only needs to buy how many toasters to boost the economy. You tax the poor folks and they stop spending which causes employers to cut jobs which then cuts from sales taxes.