Drupal and WordPress are horrible! Why can't someone make one that is easy to modify, doesn't take a year to learn, made in a real language like Erlang, and can be updated without being root automatically?
Is that really so hard. Shit we should make another one? It can't be all that hard?
After seeing Fukushima do you really trust private entities like corporations run by cost accountants whose only goal is to raise the share price each quarter to give the CEO his bonus?
Let's see? You can run Linux on Azure, vew the source code of c# and.net, make Android software and run the emulator under visual studio, run the full non crippled version of studio for free, run visual studio code and visual studio online natively on Linux, run MS office on Android, run Ubuntu natively on Windows 10 anniversary edition, etc.
MS is definitely quite different than when Bill Gates was at the helm. Yes, prepare for purple shit I believe MS is heading that direction to attract more app developers
I guess the question is, what company can I go work for that does not have active directory, sharepoint, MSSql, and a bunch of windows clients? that's an honest question.
No one runs a pure apple network, not even apple computers, that's a fact. No one runs netware, no one runs an entire domain with Linux and Ldap.
So how does someone who's never used the OS complain about it? that's a valid question. But to answer yours, in the mid 80s there was no means to learn linux unless you knew someone doing it. Sure, there were some BBS and NewsGroups, go head and step in the way back machine and see how those kind fellows treated people trying to break into unix and linux, it's a fun read. It is so similar to the crap you'll see kids spouting in a call of duty match that it's almost funny.
No desktop computers showed up at your house with linux installed, or even as an option. The choice was MADE for most of us, we built up a skill set, based careers on those skills. Sure my bash skills and technical knowledge could land me a job supporting linux devices (it actually did) but that's hard to come by. I can walk into ANY company, ANY company, a gas bar, a mom and pop bakery... and guess what? Their using windows.
I'll let the 20 year old me answer your question too, for reference. "I don't want to run an os that requires me to compile my own fucking device drivers" Case closed.
Well these Mom and Pop shops use a cloud now. Office 365 means MS will host their email, exchange, and even AD on Azure for under 50 users. Why would they need an IT guy anymore? It is all in the cloud.
It's not free. There's a limited time free (and more or less mandatory) upgrade for users of Windows 7 and up, but anyone buying a new computer is paying for it, And while it's nice of them to offer the free upgrade to Windows 7 users, people running Windows 8 are kind of entitled to the upgrade, given how crappy and short-lived Windows 8 was (Windows 10 is more like Windows 8.2).
I kind of like Windows 8.1 more once a start menu replacement is on. It is stable now and predictable since MS is not touching it except for security updates.
MS you have to admit even here makes excellent office and business software development products. Their operating systems and browsers are terrible.
From what I gather is MS has given up on Windows. So they are doing ads and making htem like a cell phone OS so they can sell new API's with visual studio 2015 and cloud services with Azure, Office 365, and OneDrive.
No one is willing to pay for Windows anymore so no effort is made to really sell it. Just use it as a screen for mobile appstores and products. I find odd Visual Studio is very Android friendly now and Linux is an OS for Azure too??!
MS direction is no longer a box of cd's at CompUSA where people wait at midnight when they upgrade their computers every 3 years. It is to sell mobile apps with their own appstore for Android and Windows and make money hosting on the cloud back-end with Azure too for these developers and enteprises.
MS finally got me to switch back from Linux from a host OS to a guess one. It was stable, secure, gorgeous, ran smooth without winrot of XP, and was a great but boring desktop OS to get work done.
As an IT professional I need to use the latest and greatest to keep my skills up and not look incompetent when an executive for example in a conference room needs help on his Windows 10 tablet etc.
Win 8 was fine except the GUI and artwork. I upgraded kicking and crying because I needed to learn Hyper-V. Windows 10 my God is just terrible. Re0imaged my system 4 times already due to bugs. If you run a sfc/scannow it will corrupt ESSENT database. Only a re-image can fix it. No DISM/online/cleanup-image/restorehealth will make it worse! Acutally it will complain about the source files. Put on your installation cd and it will break Windows 10 as it will put outdated.dll's back. It is Vista quality.
Windows bright white windows titles ARE TERRIBLE. I enabled color in settings but I do not like how it looks. The icons on the taskbar pinned are too freaking SMALL. Oh, that is right I should have a gigantic start screen and pin down "My documents" "My downloads", etc. Under Windows 7/8.1 if you install Office 2016 it will actually put the icons there for you pinned in the taskbar. MS is forcing it's view of tiles and running cell phones on computers for familiarity hoping us old farts who hate change will want to use Windows Phones. YEAH RIGHT.
I am not an MS hater anymore. But man, Windows is bad again after it finally stopped sucking. The only good thing about MS is visual Studio and Office. I suppose I like tablet features and Netflix and Hulu apps on the road or on a 2nd monitor if I want to watch Star Trek while I work etc. But, man Windows 10 is years off.
Do not get me on the schziphrenic gui either. Now with 3 UI's which include a hamburger menu.
But MS is making it worse by forced upgrades, spyware, and now ads. I do not want 10 anywhere near my computers! But I need them for Hyper-V for my MS certifications so what choice do I have?
Windows 10 is going to be the next XP sadly after 3 short years. Sigh. I hope if we all yell enough MS will mature it and change by 2019 when Windows 7 goes EOL and we are forced to use it.
I hear that all the time, but why would I switch operating system only for the file system? Ever heard of someone switching to Linux to get ext4 support? Or to Windows to get NTFS support? Of course not. File system is a very minor component of an operating system these days. Except if I were building a NAS, I wouldn't even consider making a comparison of file systems when choosing an OS.
Go look up containers and jails? ZFS is more than just a filesystem as it can be used for situations with jails. That is a big difference.
Also without SystemD and with old fashioned init you get a much more reliable and production ready system
Yes. Enterprise edition which is alot more expensive has the gpo support to block it. Go buy the enterprise will make them more money and app store for not. MS wins either way. On Neowin Net there are lots of folks defending it saying if you have more than 20 employees you should pay for a $100,000 license and audit rights anyway. Jeesh
It is best not to touch it because the lawyers can sue the vendor. It is a mess and whoever touches it last is the one with the axe to the head as much as your intentions are
You ARE aware that CE and XP are about as airtight as a sieve by now, yes? That users can't fuck with stuff is a HUGE claim when you make it for an OS that has not been patched for years but that has received new exploits on an almost daily base.
Mr. IT guy. This is your boss and the head of radiology. WHat the fuck did you do to my ability to go on the live internet with IE 6 and send my radiology results from the equipment? Get them back up ASAP!... and I expect with 0 updates to be all secure 100% of the time. The vendor told me it was possible with that sexy training video just like the ones from teh SCADA equipment that run live on the internet with no firewall! Get it done
I've seen two massive operations use it, but with neither were there any signs it was a useful tool beyond encouraging some employees (not even all, it's too hard for most) to centralize their documentation. It's easier, for most people, to use standard network shares and email to collaborate.
And, as others have mentioned, vital functionality requires Internet Explorer. Specific versions of Internet Explorer. It doesn't work properly with Edge, for instance.
The fact this tool requires "Sharepoint consultants" to set it up "properly" is a warning flag. The only Microsoft tool I've seen that needs both but ends up being a joy and a genuine advantage to a corporation once it is is ActiveDirectory - but it remains surprising nobody's stepped in with a simpler alternative to that. Sharepoint? *shudder*...
Is there ANY CMS system that doesn't require a consultant and months of effort?? Try open source Drupal? Sharepoint is simplistic in comparison and it takes months with a dedicated team to get anything with Drupal.
Another point is with MS products there seems to be an ulterior motive too. If you pay a monthly fee boy the problem seems to just go away. It is like they purposedly make Exchange too only configurable with advanced powershell on purpose to encourage all but the biggest enterprise players to switch to the cloud and office 365.
Wouldn't it be nice if there was an easier way to do this? I mean just pay a monthly bill and use a website to import names from a CSV spreadsheet and it magically just works for a flat monthly fee?
Can we get rid of this unmtained jumbled dinosaur with something more modern and actual ready for real e-commerce? Do we really need OpenVMS compability and it's own malloc() calls of LibreOSSL.
Unfortunately, we can't just expect all the system administrators and developers, and fortune 1000 companies to leave OpenSSL. Too much red tape and client contracts dictate OpenSSL and some software is coded to break if the string doesn't say "OpenSSL".
The flat-out refusal to have kernel level generic usb3 driver means that all hypervisors running on Win7 must either have their own full USB3 implementation or be limited to USB2. This is just an attempt to get people to upgrade from Win7
The number of people looking at Windows 7 USB3 support as a hypervisor host is only slightly more people than "just you".
Truth be told this is why I reluctantly upgraded to Windows 8.1. Hyper-V is the only professional hypervisor in town since VMWare Workstation is no longer made. With a start menu replacement I got used to it and it is an ok OS. Windows 10 just works and any IT professional who supports Windows (even if we do not love the OS) should be using Hyper-V as their aging VMWare Workstation is no longer supported.
NVME support is nice too for h igher end builds. Change happens get used to it!
They care about app developers. Remember they sell Visual Studio and notice how it is very multiplatform friendly now. Without Universal Windows Apps they lose out on mobile to Apple and Google. They want that revenue from the playstore as well which is how Apple beat Microsoft. 15 years ago I would be laughed at an oblivion at my last sentence. But, Steve Jobs won over Bill Gates with the simple store. Guess which legacy OS doesn't support it? Windows 7
Oh, with the server, yeah the cloud with Azure so they make money whether you run SQL Server under Server 2012R2 or Linux either way.
If you are more or less happy with XP you will be ecstatic with Windows 7. But what do you do after Windows 7? Linux, obviously.
I heard the same cries back in 2011 compared Windows 7 to the anti christ. Ewww IT LOOKS LIKE VISTA THEREFORE IT IS VISTA OMG. In XP in 2001 OMG It is FISHER PRICE. DRM. ACTIVATION HELL NO... Windows 98 FOR LIFE WILL GO TO LINUX by 2004.
Funny it is always the last version of WIndows that was the usable one yet time keeps marching on.
I am not a fanboy. Just live in the real world in the IT field where if I do not know the latest and greatest OS people will assume I am incompetent.
Drinkypoo if you walked into an executive conference room could you tell the CEO how to log off his Windows 10 Surface? No really. Ill give you a hint it is not where the power options are:-) If you talk about Linux that person will assume you are again incompetent as an IT professional. You either learn the latest and greatest and not fear change or move on.
Shoot I can't use Windows 7 anymore. My new PC builds have USB 3, NVME SSD support, wireless printing, and other new exotic things Windows 7 is too old to support and 3rd party drivers will not support well. Windows 7 like XP is great for old legacy pcs pre UEFI firmware with mechanical disks, usb2, and 1st generation i5s. New devices are surfaces, tablets, and hybrids that benefit from an up to date kernel with driver stacks and inner workings for Skylake, NVME, UEFI, USB type c, and other technologies.
I also do not want to use Netflix on a browser either. I prefer to run it as an app on my surface tablet on my desk while I do work. Windows 7 is ancient man and it is time to move on. Linux is great as a server OS to play around in. I run turnkeyLinux for appliances and have a virtual switch running PFSense on Hyper-V.
As the free market will adjust by lower prices which in turn mean more people can now spend money on more products and it will equalize again as long as we do not do anything about it like government interference.
Also, the world population is increasing at an alarming rate! As poorer countries prosper these new kids will turn into adults and buy more products fullfilling the demand again. Globalization is doing amazing things in China and it is now starting to return the favor of money flowing in the other direction
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Yo yo node.js hipsters Erlang is the real rockstar language man!!
Drupal and WordPress are horrible! Why can't someone make one that is easy to modify, doesn't take a year to learn, made in a real language like Erlang, and can be updated without being root automatically?
Is that really so hard. Shit we should make another one? It can't be all that hard?
After seeing Fukushima do you really trust private entities like corporations run by cost accountants whose only goal is to raise the share price each quarter to give the CEO his bonus?
Let's see? You can run Linux on Azure, vew the source code of c# and .net, make Android software and run the emulator under visual studio, run the full non crippled version of studio for free, run visual studio code and visual studio online natively on Linux, run MS office on Android, run Ubuntu natively on Windows 10 anniversary edition, etc.
MS is definitely quite different than when Bill Gates was at the helm. Yes, prepare for purple shit I believe MS is heading that direction to attract more app developers
I guess the question is, what company can I go work for that does not have active directory, sharepoint, MSSql, and a bunch of windows clients? that's an honest question.
No one runs a pure apple network, not even apple computers, that's a fact. No one runs netware, no one runs an entire domain with Linux and Ldap.
So how does someone who's never used the OS complain about it? that's a valid question. But to answer yours, in the mid 80s there was no means to learn linux unless you knew someone doing it. Sure, there were some BBS and NewsGroups, go head and step in the way back machine and see how those kind fellows treated people trying to break into unix and linux, it's a fun read. It is so similar to the crap you'll see kids spouting in a call of duty match that it's almost funny.
No desktop computers showed up at your house with linux installed, or even as an option. The choice was MADE for most of us, we built up a skill set, based careers on those skills. Sure my bash skills and technical knowledge could land me a job supporting linux devices (it actually did) but that's hard to come by. I can walk into ANY company, ANY company, a gas bar, a mom and pop bakery... and guess what? Their using windows.
I'll let the 20 year old me answer your question too, for reference. "I don't want to run an os that requires me to compile my own fucking device drivers" Case closed.
Well these Mom and Pop shops use a cloud now. Office 365 means MS will host their email, exchange, and even AD on Azure for under 50 users. Why would they need an IT guy anymore? It is all in the cloud.
It's not free. There's a limited time free (and more or less mandatory) upgrade for users of Windows 7 and up, but anyone buying a new computer is paying for it, And while it's nice of them to offer the free upgrade to Windows 7 users, people running Windows 8 are kind of entitled to the upgrade, given how crappy and short-lived Windows 8 was (Windows 10 is more like Windows 8.2).
I kind of like Windows 8.1 more once a start menu replacement is on. It is stable now and predictable since MS is not touching it except for security updates.
MS you have to admit even here makes excellent office and business software development products. Their operating systems and browsers are terrible.
From what I gather is MS has given up on Windows. So they are doing ads and making htem like a cell phone OS so they can sell new API's with visual studio 2015 and cloud services with Azure, Office 365, and OneDrive.
No one is willing to pay for Windows anymore so no effort is made to really sell it. Just use it as a screen for mobile appstores and products. I find odd Visual Studio is very Android friendly now and Linux is an OS for Azure too??!
MS direction is no longer a box of cd's at CompUSA where people wait at midnight when they upgrade their computers every 3 years. It is to sell mobile apps with their own appstore for Android and Windows and make money hosting on the cloud back-end with Azure too for these developers and enteprises.
Well explain to HR how you can do x, y, and z without a certification. To be a gold partner for MS you need to have your MCSE current
MS finally got me to switch back from Linux from a host OS to a guess one. It was stable, secure, gorgeous, ran smooth without winrot of XP, and was a great but boring desktop OS to get work done.
As an IT professional I need to use the latest and greatest to keep my skills up and not look incompetent when an executive for example in a conference room needs help on his Windows 10 tablet etc.
Win 8 was fine except the GUI and artwork. I upgraded kicking and crying because I needed to learn Hyper-V. Windows 10 my God is just terrible. Re0imaged my system 4 times already due to bugs. If you run a sfc /scannow it will corrupt ESSENT database. Only a re-image can fix it. No DISM /online /cleanup-image /restorehealth will make it worse! Acutally it will complain about the source files. Put on your installation cd and it will break Windows 10 as it will put outdated .dll's back. It is Vista quality.
Windows bright white windows titles ARE TERRIBLE. I enabled color in settings but I do not like how it looks. The icons on the taskbar pinned are too freaking SMALL. Oh, that is right I should have a gigantic start screen and pin down "My documents" "My downloads", etc. Under Windows 7/8.1 if you install Office 2016 it will actually put the icons there for you pinned in the taskbar. MS is forcing it's view of tiles and running cell phones on computers for familiarity hoping us old farts who hate change will want to use Windows Phones. YEAH RIGHT.
I am not an MS hater anymore. But man, Windows is bad again after it finally stopped sucking. The only good thing about MS is visual Studio and Office. I suppose I like tablet features and Netflix and Hulu apps on the road or on a 2nd monitor if I want to watch Star Trek while I work etc. But, man Windows 10 is years off.
Do not get me on the schziphrenic gui either. Now with 3 UI's which include a hamburger menu.
But MS is making it worse by forced upgrades, spyware, and now ads. I do not want 10 anywhere near my computers! But I need them for Hyper-V for my MS certifications so what choice do I have?
Windows 10 is going to be the next XP sadly after 3 short years. Sigh. I hope if we all yell enough MS will mature it and change by 2019 when Windows 7 goes EOL and we are forced to use it.
Mod parent up. The parent source has wrong YouTube link. Above is original map
I hear that all the time, but why would I switch operating system only for the file system? Ever heard of someone switching to Linux to get ext4 support? Or to Windows to get NTFS support? Of course not. File system is a very minor component of an operating system these days. Except if I were building a NAS, I wouldn't even consider making a comparison of file systems when choosing an OS.
Go look up containers and jails? ZFS is more than just a filesystem as it can be used for situations with jails. That is a big difference.
Also without SystemD and with old fashioned init you get a much more reliable and production ready system
Yeah until your executives with laptops install keyloggers malware and then hold you the IT guy responsible for being hacked
Yes. Enterprise edition which is alot more expensive has the gpo support to block it. Go buy the enterprise will make them more money and app store for not. MS wins either way. On Neowin
Net there are lots of folks defending it saying if you have more than 20 employees you should pay for a $100,000 license and audit rights anyway. Jeesh
Hence why I refuse to work for hospitals. I contracted for a few
If you change it and someone dies that is on YOU!
It is best not to touch it because the lawyers can sue the vendor. It is a mess and whoever touches it last is the one with the axe to the head as much as your intentions are
You ARE aware that CE and XP are about as airtight as a sieve by now, yes? That users can't fuck with stuff is a HUGE claim when you make it for an OS that has not been patched for years but that has received new exploits on an almost daily base.
Mr. IT guy. This is your boss and the head of radiology. WHat the fuck did you do to my ability to go on the live internet with IE 6 and send my radiology results from the equipment? Get them back up ASAP! ... and I expect with 0 updates to be all secure 100% of the time. The vendor told me it was possible with that sexy training video just like the ones from teh SCADA equipment that run live on the internet with no firewall! Get it done
I've seen two massive operations use it, but with neither were there any signs it was a useful tool beyond encouraging some employees (not even all, it's too hard for most) to centralize their documentation. It's easier, for most people, to use standard network shares and email to collaborate.
And, as others have mentioned, vital functionality requires Internet Explorer. Specific versions of Internet Explorer. It doesn't work properly with Edge, for instance.
The fact this tool requires "Sharepoint consultants" to set it up "properly" is a warning flag. The only Microsoft tool I've seen that needs both but ends up being a joy and a genuine advantage to a corporation once it is is ActiveDirectory - but it remains surprising nobody's stepped in with a simpler alternative to that. Sharepoint? *shudder*...
Is there ANY CMS system that doesn't require a consultant and months of effort?? Try open source Drupal? Sharepoint is simplistic in comparison and it takes months with a dedicated team to get anything with Drupal.
Another point is with MS products there seems to be an ulterior motive too.
If you pay a monthly fee boy the problem seems to just go away. It is like they purposedly make Exchange too only configurable with advanced powershell on purpose to encourage all but the biggest enterprise players to switch to the cloud and office 365.
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Wouldn't it be nice if there was an easier way to do this? I mean just pay a monthly bill and use a website to import names from a CSV spreadsheet and it magically just works for a flat monthly fee?
That would be great!
Can we get rid of this unmtained jumbled dinosaur with something more modern and actual ready for real e-commerce? Do we really need OpenVMS compability and it's own malloc() calls of LibreOSSL.
Unfortunately, we can't just expect all the system administrators and developers, and fortune 1000 companies to leave OpenSSL. Too much red tape and client contracts dictate OpenSSL and some software is coded to break if the string doesn't say "OpenSSL".
The flat-out refusal to have kernel level generic usb3 driver means that all hypervisors running on Win7 must either have their own full USB3 implementation or be limited to USB2. This is just an attempt to get people to upgrade from Win7
The number of people looking at Windows 7 USB3 support as a hypervisor host is only slightly more people than "just you".
Truth be told this is why I reluctantly upgraded to Windows 8.1. Hyper-V is the only professional hypervisor in town since VMWare Workstation is no longer made. With a start menu replacement I got used to it and it is an ok OS. Windows 10 just works and any IT professional who supports Windows (even if we do not love the OS) should be using Hyper-V as their aging VMWare Workstation is no longer supported.
NVME support is nice too for h igher end builds. Change happens get used to it!
Windows isn't a major segment of Microsoft's revenue anymore. Because of that, they have gotten complacent, and don't really care much anymore. Remember how things went with IE when that happened? Expect roughly the same for Windows.
They care about app developers. Remember they sell Visual Studio and notice how it is very multiplatform friendly now. Without Universal Windows Apps they lose out on mobile to Apple and Google. They want that revenue from the playstore as well which is how Apple beat Microsoft. 15 years ago I would be laughed at an oblivion at my last sentence. But, Steve Jobs won over Bill Gates with the simple store. Guess which legacy OS doesn't support it? Windows 7
Oh, with the server, yeah the cloud with Azure so they make money whether you run SQL Server under Server 2012R2 or Linux either way.
If you are more or less happy with XP you will be ecstatic with Windows 7. But what do you do after Windows 7? Linux, obviously.
I heard the same cries back in 2011 compared Windows 7 to the anti christ. Ewww IT LOOKS LIKE VISTA THEREFORE IT IS VISTA OMG. In XP in 2001 OMG It is FISHER PRICE. DRM. ACTIVATION HELL NO ... Windows 98 FOR LIFE WILL GO TO LINUX by 2004.
Funny it is always the last version of WIndows that was the usable one yet time keeps marching on.
I am not a fanboy. Just live in the real world in the IT field where if I do not know the latest and greatest OS people will assume I am incompetent.
Drinkypoo if you walked into an executive conference room could you tell the CEO how to log off his Windows 10 Surface? No really. Ill give you a hint it is not where the power options are :-) If you talk about Linux that person will assume you are again incompetent as an IT professional. You either learn the latest and greatest and not fear change or move on.
Shoot I can't use Windows 7 anymore. My new PC builds have USB 3, NVME SSD support, wireless printing, and other new exotic things Windows 7 is too old to support and 3rd party drivers will not support well. Windows 7 like XP is great for old legacy pcs pre UEFI firmware with mechanical disks, usb2, and 1st generation i5s. New devices are surfaces, tablets, and hybrids that benefit from an up to date kernel with driver stacks and inner workings for Skylake, NVME, UEFI, USB type c, and other technologies.
I also do not want to use Netflix on a browser either. I prefer to run it as an app on my surface tablet on my desk while I do work. Windows 7 is ancient man and it is time to move on. Linux is great as a server OS to play around in. I run turnkeyLinux for appliances and have a virtual switch running PFSense on Hyper-V.
You know I heard there is an app for that for these kids
As the free market will adjust by lower prices which in turn mean more people can now spend money on more products and it will equalize again as long as we do not do anything about it like government interference.
Also, the world population is increasing at an alarming rate! As poorer countries prosper these new kids will turn into adults and buy more products fullfilling the demand again. Globalization is doing amazing things in China and it is now starting to return the favor of money flowing in the other direction
Would be an accidental upgrade and install push