Isn't the whole point of Open Source to share ideas and improve everybody's work?
As long as you give credit and don't try to pass it off as your own, I don't see the problem... unless you are selling this product, in which case it's a tricky situation. Maybe take the idea and give credit but rewrite the code your own way?
If you shared code originally, what's wrong with sharing it now?
"And I said *SO FAR* anyway. Even if it is worth the money and effort in the future, when it is complete, at the moment it has not been worth the money. That does not mean that it will not become worth it in the future."
So when it does become worth it in the future, would you say that you were wrong to doubt it now?
Also, perhaps we can stop cruise missiles in addition to ICBM's... ICBM's are harder, and if we can do that, then we can apply the technology in other area.
"I'll stop criticising it when you have an effective missile defence system which could save me from a nuclear attack. So far this has not been the case."
You'll stop criticizing it when it's done?
That's the most rediculous statement I have read today, and that's saying a lot. That's ludicrous.
Does that mean you'll stop criticizing the Iraq war when we hand over Sovereignty? When they have elections? When?
He made my point for me. A study with an error range of that much is meaningless. I have heard of this study, and I knew that it was meaningless. 100k is just a nice round number.
I don't like corporate welfare sir. I do not like personal welfare.
The troops have plenty of body armor, just ask them. There could be more up-armored Humvees, but there aren't. We are building them as fast as possible. (The hold up is the armor itself, not the assembling plant, BTW).
You know that the black ops budget is massive right? Many billions of dollars are spent without any meaningful oversight. I am sure that your $85 million for covert ops in Pakistan is there for the spending.
Also, how does a missile defense shield make us LESS safe?
It also says that debt held by the public (ie everyone else not the Gov) is $4.44t. Subtract $1.85t that foreign gov's own and you get $2.59t.
Add that to what's held by the Government and you get $5.69 trillion dollars held by Americans.
Therefore, the grandparent poster is correct. The majority of the bonds issued are sold to people, organizations (including governmental ones) and companies within the US.
I asked for a source for 100,000+ and you DID NOT give me one. Yeah, and some democrat threw out the number of 500,000 iraqi children dead. Doesn't mean it happened.
I guess I should have been more specific and said a valid and proven source that is anywhere close to 100,000.
When your country forks over some cash or land or something else strategic, you can be protected too.
In the end I don't really care a whole lot about people in other countries unless if affects my interests. I'm sure they can defend themselves. They don't need us, we're the Great Satan remember.
Please site your source, Fahrenheit 9/11 is not applicable.
From 59 Deceits in F911: Fahrenheit 9/11 states, "In his first eight months in office before September 11th, George W. Bush was on vacation, according to the Washington Post, forty-two percent of the time."
Shortly before 9/11, the Post calculated that Bush had spent 42 percent of his presidency at vacation spots or en route, including all or part of 54 days at his ranch. That calculation, however, includes weekends, which Moore failed to mention.
Tom McNamee, "Just the facts on 'Fahrenheit 9/11' Chicago Sun-Times, June 28, 2004. See also: Mike Allen, "White House On the Range. Bush Retreats to Ranch for 'Working Vacation'," Washington Post, August 7, 2001 Many of those days are weekends, and the Camp David stays have included working visits with foreign leaders. Since the Eisenhower administration, Presidents have usually spent many weekends at Camp David, which is fully equipped for Presidential work. Once the Camp David time is excluded, Bush's "vacation" time drops to 13 percent.
Much of that 13 percent was spent on Bush's ranch in Texas...
Interestingly, as detailed in Bill Clinton's autobiography My Life, in November 1995. when President Clinton learned that Israel's Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin had been shot, Clinton went out to the White House lawn and hit golf balls while he waited to learn if Rabin would live. That Clinton played golf after learning of a terrible crime in Israel obviously does not mean that he did not care about the crime.
As per your quote, about the rain here is a more equivalent analogy:
"Somewhere in the United States it may rain in the near future."
Also, what should he have done about the memo? What could he possibly have done? (Well he shouldn't have gone on vacation for one thing is not an acceptable answer)
BTW, this is why it is a missile defense test, so that we can fix the issues before we go live. I don't see what the issue is here.
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Isn't the whole point of Open Source to share ideas and improve everybody's work?
As long as you give credit and don't try to pass it off as your own, I don't see the problem... unless you are selling this product, in which case it's a tricky situation. Maybe take the idea and give credit but rewrite the code your own way?
If you shared code originally, what's wrong with sharing it now?
"And I said *SO FAR* anyway. Even if it is worth the money and effort in the future, when it is complete, at the moment it has not been worth the money. That does not mean that it will not become worth it in the future."
So when it does become worth it in the future, would you say that you were wrong to doubt it now?
Also, perhaps we can stop cruise missiles in addition to ICBM's... ICBM's are harder, and if we can do that, then we can apply the technology in other area.
My ancestors died to give me this right, I do not take it for granted.
I was talking about him saying "i'll stop criticizing it when it's done"
He can criticize it until it's finished and works?
"this is a silly project, it costs too much money, it's a waste... oh it's done? then it was all worth it!"
That's called hypocrisy and nothing ticks me off more.
"I'll stop criticising it when you have an effective missile defence system which could save me from a nuclear attack. So far this has not been the case."
You'll stop criticizing it when it's done?
That's the most rediculous statement I have read today, and that's saying a lot. That's ludicrous.
Does that mean you'll stop criticizing the Iraq war when we hand over Sovereignty? When they have elections? When?
"We estimate there were 98,000 extra deaths (95% CI 8000-194,000) during the post-war period."
That's a confidence range of 8k-194k not 80k-180k as your post said. I must again point you to http://slate.msn.com/id/2108887/.
This is a meaningless study.
It has an error range of 96%! IT IS USELESS, INACCURATE AND INTELLECTUALLY DISHONEST TO REFER TO IT.
Jesus H Skateboarding Christ, you would think on Slashdot you could find people who know how to read a survey correctly. Damn.
No, it doesn't. I did not say Clinton was bad. I did not say Bush was good. I merely said that Bush was not on vacation 42% of the time.
Stop projecting.
Jesus, why? Using Clinton as an example does not take away anything from my point.
In fact, it adds to it because Clinton is such a golden boy in the eyes of many democrats.
This has nothing to do with my point.
43's actions DO stand on their own. Just trying to give it some context.
It would be like saying, boy Dubya sure does fly around a lot doesn't he?
Well yes, because all Presidents fly around a lot.
Fair enough. I asked, and you delivered.
I was intending for VALID numbers, but hey who needs them?
Way to get off on a technicality. You must be a lawyer.
This is the equivalent of the FAA shutting down airflights in the United States after 9/11.
Is there really a story here? They're just planning ahead.
http://slate.msn.com/id/2108887/
Read that Slate article as well, not exactly a right-wing rag that.
Anyone who cites that study is being intellectually dishonest to make a political point. You seem like a smart guy, you should know this.
Your stat teacher would be heartbroken.
I must point you to http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=132945&cid=111 03155.
He made my point for me. A study with an error range of that much is meaningless. I have heard of this study, and I knew that it was meaningless. 100k is just a nice round number.
I don't like corporate welfare sir. I do not like personal welfare.
The troops have plenty of body armor, just ask them. There could be more up-armored Humvees, but there aren't. We are building them as fast as possible. (The hold up is the armor itself, not the assembling plant, BTW).
You know that the black ops budget is massive right? Many billions of dollars are spent without any meaningful oversight. I am sure that your $85 million for covert ops in Pakistan is there for the spending.
Also, how does a missile defense shield make us LESS safe?
thanks, it was a hypothetical argument.
He took it a little too literally.
Hang on cowboy, number one, $1.85 trillion dollars is held by foreign countries not $2t. Big difference.
Number two, that $85b held by Caribbean Banks is most like offshore tax havens held by Americans.
http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdpdodt.htm says that $3.1t is held by intragovernmental organizations. Because the Government IS the American Public, we own that too.
It also says that debt held by the public (ie everyone else not the Gov) is $4.44t. Subtract $1.85t that foreign gov's own and you get $2.59t.
Add that to what's held by the Government and you get $5.69 trillion dollars held by Americans.
Therefore, the grandparent poster is correct. The majority of the bonds issued are sold to people, organizations (including governmental ones) and companies within the US.
Done and done.
I asked for a source for 100,000+ and you DID NOT give me one. Yeah, and some democrat threw out the number of 500,000 iraqi children dead. Doesn't mean it happened.
I guess I should have been more specific and said a valid and proven source that is anywhere close to 100,000.
NGO's are useless anyway.
When your country forks over some cash or land or something else strategic, you can be protected too.
In the end I don't really care a whole lot about people in other countries unless if affects my interests. I'm sure they can defend themselves. They don't need us, we're the Great Satan remember.
Allahu Ackbar!
In case you couldn't tell, that was sarcasm...
taking a month-long fucking vacation?
Please site your source, Fahrenheit 9/11 is not applicable.
From 59 Deceits in F911: Fahrenheit 9/11 states, "In his first eight months in office before September 11th, George W. Bush was on vacation, according to the Washington Post, forty-two percent of the time."
Shortly before 9/11, the Post calculated that Bush had spent 42 percent of his presidency at vacation spots or en route, including all or part of 54 days at his ranch. That calculation, however, includes weekends, which Moore failed to mention.
Tom McNamee, "Just the facts on 'Fahrenheit 9/11' Chicago Sun-Times, June 28, 2004. See also: Mike Allen, "White House On the Range. Bush Retreats to Ranch for 'Working Vacation'," Washington Post, August 7, 2001 Many of those days are weekends, and the Camp David stays have included working visits with foreign leaders. Since the Eisenhower administration, Presidents have usually spent many weekends at Camp David, which is fully equipped for Presidential work. Once the Camp David time is excluded, Bush's "vacation" time drops to 13 percent.
Much of that 13 percent was spent on Bush's ranch in Texas...
Interestingly, as detailed in Bill Clinton's autobiography My Life, in November 1995. when President Clinton learned that Israel's Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin had been shot, Clinton went out to the White House lawn and hit golf balls while he waited to learn if Rabin would live. That Clinton played golf after learning of a terrible crime in Israel obviously does not mean that he did not care about the crime.
As per your quote, about the rain here is a more equivalent analogy:
"Somewhere in the United States it may rain in the near future."
Also, what should he have done about the memo? What could he possibly have done? (Well he shouldn't have gone on vacation for one thing is not an acceptable answer)
BTW, this is why it is a missile defense test, so that we can fix the issues before we go live. I don't see what the issue is here.
It doesn't mean we shouldn't try.
When does it become worth it for us to spend the money on a warp drive project?
Scramjet is a start. It's incrimental jumps in technology, not revolutionary leaps.
This is a silly conversation, just because it is scientifically hard to do, does not mean we shouldn't try. That is my point.
There is plenty of waste in the Government (just look at Medicare fraud, and the UN. Yikes. At least this has the possibility of a valuable return.
In the 1500's scientists said the world was flat.
Scientists said that humans flying would never be possible.
Scientists said going to the Moon would never happen.
Scientists said that we could never be able to eradicate Smallpox.
Scientists say a lot of things aren't possible. Doesn't mean we shouldn't try.
OK, that doesn't even make sense.
You must not live in LA. Substitute LA for . Now how do you feel?
"I have to wonder how long it will be before the US Government files for bankruptcy because of the cost of projects such as this."
The USG files for BANKRUPTCY? From WHO?
Wow that might be one of the dumbest sentences I have read on Slashdot.
Hahhahahahaahahah wow that's priceless.
What is your source for the 100,000+ killed figure?
The numbers that I have seen are much much lower.
Please, enlighten me.