This act has also been used against kiddie-porn and drug traffickers. Although I like the fact that these bastards get caught, the ends do not justify the means.
Yes, they do. We want to catch the bad people. However we can. Legally. Thanks to Patriot Act, these people can be caught.
The Patriot Act, at it's core was designed to prevent people from breaking the law. It was aimed primarily at terrorists, but if it can help us catch other people breaking the law, great.
If it can catch my daughter's murderer (hypothetical), then I'm all for it.
There is nothing in the Patriot Act that says it should only be used for terrorism. Just like the Bill of Rights doesn't give the specific right for women to have abortions, but people "read into it" and now people do have that right.
every single one of these cases should be overthrown in the federal courts without question. The PATRIOT Act is illegal.
Not yet.
The patriot act is not illegal until it is declared so by the US Supreme Court, and (sorry) it probably won't be declared unconstitutional. Maybe some small parts, but most likely not all of it.
Mudjahadeen fought off the Soviets in Afghanistan. They had guns from the American's but they did it themselves.
Separate from what's happening now, this seems to defeat your argument. It's easy to pull a few examples from either side, but that doesn't make it necessarily true.
Also, the American's fought off the British to get their independence 200 years ago, with just a "handful of guns".
French underground movement was very helpful in getting the Nazi's out of occupied France, sending intel to the Allies.
India kicking out the British. The Russian revolution in 1917. The list goes on.
Also, the "Palestinians" are not in concentration camps. And they are now using homicide bombings because of small arms that the Israeli public carry.
Iraqi's aren't being ruled by a foreign invader. They are governing themselves.
Also, the Soviets, Red Chinese, Japanese, Somalian's, Yugoslav's, Cambodian's (Pol Pot).
I realize that my country isn't perfect, but I do believe that we can change, and there are always people working their tails off to make the country better.
I strongly believe in the Constitution of the United States, and there are millions of people willing to die to protect it.
The reason we "lived" without police is because people were forced to arm themselves to protect themselves, or they were killed by others. "Killed" may be enslaved or robbed or whatever.
If you're worried about being crushed by a totalitarian state, get a gun. I did. See the Second Amendment.
Also, what country are you from? In my relatively limited traveling experience (several countries in middle Europe) the people who "get" what the United States is all about are the folks from previously Soviet countries where they know what totalitarian means. I'm curious where you get your thoughts. This comment is not meant to be a criticism, but merely trying to learn more.
And you do control these cameras. You elect your local officials. Who can hire and fire their police officers. If you want to change things, run for office. Or become a cop.
That's how you change things. Not bitching about it on Slashdot. Run for Congress.
You don't even LIVE in America! What do you know about our "police state"?
Do you get ANYTHING about world affairs and history? Women's right to vote, no slavery, anyone can own property, anyone can start a business, anyone can vote, anyone can run for office. How is this a totalitarian country?
You are an idiot, and whatever "educational" (brainwashing?) institution taught you these things should be shut down. Fool.
I hope the terrorists get you and cut your head off. Maybe you'll understand then.
Re your comment about the cameras and bad laws, I agree with you, the cameras themselves aren't bad. It's a way to save money by not requiring cops to be on every street corner.
If you think the maurijuana possession laws shouldn't be enforced, let's not blame it on the cameras, OR the police. Let's fix the laws. I know you agree with this (refering to the parent), but not everyone else gets it. Take off your tin-foil caps. You're all just posturing anyway.
There is no one in the world worth speaking to, who doesn't speak english.
Whether it's in business (everyone speaks english), government (everyone speaks english) or whatever.
All other languages are below english on the importance of learning scale. Why? Because America is the greatest, most powerful country in the world, and people want our stuff.
"refreshed" and "refurbished" actually mean different things.
"refreshed" means it was either returned opened (10% restocking fee paid) or it was a demo model. The tech's look over the machine, reinstall the factory disk image, and make sure everything is in the box and seal it up with some tape.
"refurbished" means it went back to the factory and was rebuilt for some reason. Replacement logic board or whatever, or was a machine that was returned to the online store.
Maybe they should get a goddamn job? If they can't find one where they live, MOVE SOMEWHERE WHERE THERE IS A JOB AVAILABLE.
If there isn't a job in Podunk, New Jersey, move somewhere else. Get a different degree. Move to India. There are jobs there. Oh, you don't want to move to India? Guess now you're being picky about things and that's your problem not mine.
Maybe instead of taking unemployment benefits you should have saved when you had the chance?
I feel exactly the same way, I have had a Pismo for four years, and using the new Apple Pro Keyboard at work, my fingers get tired from having to press down so far.
Any way to rig a Aluminum PowerBook keyboard for home use?
So the Air National Guard is just a bitch job, for people who don't want to be in the military? So all the Guard troops in Iraq are "avoiding" service? Bush is a pilot. He flew jets. What do you do?
you're a fucking moron. ask anyone in the military if they prefer Bill 'draft-dodger' Clinton, or George W. who has given the military pay raise after pay raise since he went into office?
When was the last time you WENT to a fucking funeral? Don't tell me about soldier's funerals. I was at one a few months ago for a friend of mine who was killed in Iraq. Was I sad? Yes. Do I think he died for no reason? Hell no. And neither did he. He knew what he was getting into, and he loved his job. PERIOD.
Believe me, his family is absolutely getting taken care of and I'm joining the Air Force to defend this country, so morons like you can voice your opinions.
Mod me down for being off topic, but these goddamn bleeding heart liberals thing they know everything about everything, when really they just want to stir up trouble.
Now we have both extreme's. John Ashcroft is not a threat to the country and more than the troops dying in Iraq. Ashcroft is doing what he thinks is right, so is Bush, and so are the troops.
This is a copyright issue, this is a "going to far" issue. Suing single mothers in court is not the answer. The market is asking for some way to buy songs online. the iTunes Music Store is a good step. They've sold 10 million songs so far, way above what anyone thought they would. I've used it. It's a great thing, but I can't buy all of Warren Zevon's albums. Until I can do that, and buy whatever else I can buy in my local Tower Records that is not the perfect solution.
People will continue to steal music, even though it is illegal, no matter what pressure is applied to them. People still do drugs, and that can get you thrown in prison for many years, or even kill you. People do things that are bad, and making them illegal is not the way to stop them.
I agree, I posted a very similar thing elsewhere. Nice Esq, where'd you go to school? They can come after me for my downloaded songs all they want, I have no money anyway! HA! But seriously, "There was even a person from Cambridge, MA that was sharing over 900 songs." From a Fox 25 newscast in Boston. Does anyone have so few as 900 songs? Seriously? They act like this is a lot. HA! Wait, if they nailed someone sharing 900 songs I think I'm screwed...
This is the most appalling thing I have ever heard of. I am not buying another CD that is from the RIAA until they shape up. This is not the "hardcore" sharers they should be targeting. Despicable.
Boston may have old, strange laws from Puritan times like that, but it is also a very progressive city. Cambridge (right across the Charles River, where MIT, Tufts, and Harvard are) is the only city in the country where the voting age is 16.
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Can't do that mate, sorry.
The statute of limitations has run out.
(BTW, we DID change the laws, sort of. We just created our own.)
This act has also been used against kiddie-porn and drug traffickers. Although I like the fact that these bastards get caught, the ends do not justify the means.
Yes, they do. We want to catch the bad people. However we can. Legally. Thanks to Patriot Act, these people can be caught.
The Patriot Act, at it's core was designed to prevent people from breaking the law. It was aimed primarily at terrorists, but if it can help us catch other people breaking the law, great.
If it can catch my daughter's murderer (hypothetical), then I'm all for it.
There is nothing in the Patriot Act that says it should only be used for terrorism. Just like the Bill of Rights doesn't give the specific right for women to have abortions, but people "read into it" and now people do have that right.
Incorrect.
Copyright infringement can be either a civil or a criminal matter, partially depending if someone was making money from the infringement.
See this from above. Seems like he was doing worse than just posting pictures without permission.
Here goes Slashdot blowing things out of proportion again. I'm shocked.
Has anyone here actually read the USA Patriot Act? Or the 9/11 Commission report? Or written their Congressman?
Everyone just bitches on Slashdot. No wonder nothing ever changes.
every single one of these cases should be overthrown in the federal courts without question. The PATRIOT Act is illegal.
Not yet.
The patriot act is not illegal until it is declared so by the US Supreme Court, and (sorry) it probably won't be declared unconstitutional. Maybe some small parts, but most likely not all of it.
No, because the donating money to a defense fund is not illegal.
Duh.
Now if you anonymously sent him a kilo of coke to "assist" in his defense, what would you have them do?
I would have them track down whomever sent it.
What's the difference here?
Sure, you can point at specific things. Just not this.
Did you know the first amendment infringes your rights to look at child pornography!?
The horror!
Is copyright infringement a terrorist act?
No, but it is still illegal.
Am I the only one who thinks people shouldn't break the law?
Just because you don't agree with the law doesn't mean you should break it. CHANGE it.
Mudjahadeen fought off the Soviets in Afghanistan. They had guns from the American's but they did it themselves.
Separate from what's happening now, this seems to defeat your argument. It's easy to pull a few examples from either side, but that doesn't make it necessarily true.
Also, the American's fought off the British to get their independence 200 years ago, with just a "handful of guns".
French underground movement was very helpful in getting the Nazi's out of occupied France, sending intel to the Allies.
India kicking out the British. The Russian revolution in 1917. The list goes on.
Also, the "Palestinians" are not in concentration camps. And they are now using homicide bombings because of small arms that the Israeli public carry.
Iraqi's aren't being ruled by a foreign invader. They are governing themselves.
Also, the Soviets, Red Chinese, Japanese, Somalian's, Yugoslav's, Cambodian's (Pol Pot).
Morally bankrupt? Possibly.
But still great?
Absofuckinglutely.
Isn't socio-economics fun kids?
I apologize for my tone, I was out of line.
I realize that my country isn't perfect, but I do believe that we can change, and there are always people working their tails off to make the country better.
I strongly believe in the Constitution of the United States, and there are millions of people willing to die to protect it.
The reason we "lived" without police is because people were forced to arm themselves to protect themselves, or they were killed by others. "Killed" may be enslaved or robbed or whatever.
If you're worried about being crushed by a totalitarian state, get a gun. I did. See the Second Amendment.
Also, what country are you from? In my relatively limited traveling experience (several countries in middle Europe) the people who "get" what the United States is all about are the folks from previously Soviet countries where they know what totalitarian means. I'm curious where you get your thoughts. This comment is not meant to be a criticism, but merely trying to learn more.
No this is not a democracy. It is a republic.
And you do control these cameras. You elect your local officials. Who can hire and fire their police officers. If you want to change things, run for office. Or become a cop.
That's how you change things. Not bitching about it on Slashdot. Run for Congress.
You don't even LIVE in America! What do you know about our "police state"?
Do you get ANYTHING about world affairs and history? Women's right to vote, no slavery, anyone can own property, anyone can start a business, anyone can vote, anyone can run for office. How is this a totalitarian country?
You are an idiot, and whatever "educational" (brainwashing?) institution taught you these things should be shut down. Fool.
I hope the terrorists get you and cut your head off. Maybe you'll understand then.
Re your comment about the cameras and bad laws, I agree with you, the cameras themselves aren't bad. It's a way to save money by not requiring cops to be on every street corner.
If you think the maurijuana possession laws shouldn't be enforced, let's not blame it on the cameras, OR the police. Let's fix the laws. I know you agree with this (refering to the parent), but not everyone else gets it. Take off your tin-foil caps. You're all just posturing anyway.
Relax.
There is no one in the world worth speaking to, who doesn't speak english.
Whether it's in business (everyone speaks english), government (everyone speaks english) or whatever.
All other languages are below english on the importance of learning scale. Why? Because America is the greatest, most powerful country in the world, and people want our stuff.
-jg
"refreshed" and "refurbished" actually mean different things.
"refreshed" means it was either returned opened (10% restocking fee paid) or it was a demo model. The tech's look over the machine, reinstall the factory disk image, and make sure everything is in the box and seal it up with some tape.
"refurbished" means it went back to the factory and was rebuilt for some reason. Replacement logic board or whatever, or was a machine that was returned to the online store.
Maybe they should get a goddamn job? If they can't find one where they live, MOVE SOMEWHERE WHERE THERE IS A JOB AVAILABLE.
If there isn't a job in Podunk, New Jersey, move somewhere else. Get a different degree. Move to India. There are jobs there. Oh, you don't want to move to India? Guess now you're being picky about things and that's your problem not mine.
Maybe instead of taking unemployment benefits you should have saved when you had the chance?
I feel exactly the same way, I have had a Pismo for four years, and using the new Apple Pro Keyboard at work, my fingers get tired from having to press down so far.
Any way to rig a Aluminum PowerBook keyboard for home use?
-jg
So the Air National Guard is just a bitch job, for people who don't want to be in the military? So all the Guard troops in Iraq are "avoiding" service? Bush is a pilot. He flew jets. What do you do?
-jg
you're a fucking moron. ask anyone in the military if they prefer Bill 'draft-dodger' Clinton, or George W. who has given the military pay raise after pay raise since he went into office?
When was the last time you WENT to a fucking funeral? Don't tell me about soldier's funerals. I was at one a few months ago for a friend of mine who was killed in Iraq. Was I sad? Yes. Do I think he died for no reason? Hell no. And neither did he. He knew what he was getting into, and he loved his job. PERIOD.
Believe me, his family is absolutely getting taken care of and I'm joining the Air Force to defend this country, so morons like you can voice your opinions.
Mod me down for being off topic, but these goddamn bleeding heart liberals thing they know everything about everything, when really they just want to stir up trouble.
-jg
Now we have both extreme's. John Ashcroft is not a threat to the country and more than the troops dying in Iraq. Ashcroft is doing what he thinks is right, so is Bush, and so are the troops.
This is a copyright issue, this is a "going to far" issue. Suing single mothers in court is not the answer. The market is asking for some way to buy songs online. the iTunes Music Store is a good step. They've sold 10 million songs so far, way above what anyone thought they would. I've used it. It's a great thing, but I can't buy all of Warren Zevon's albums. Until I can do that, and buy whatever else I can buy in my local Tower Records that is not the perfect solution.
People will continue to steal music, even though it is illegal, no matter what pressure is applied to them. People still do drugs, and that can get you thrown in prison for many years, or even kill you. People do things that are bad, and making them illegal is not the way to stop them.
I agree, I posted a very similar thing elsewhere. Nice Esq, where'd you go to school? They can come after me for my downloaded songs all they want, I have no money anyway! HA! But seriously, "There was even a person from Cambridge, MA that was sharing over 900 songs." From a Fox 25 newscast in Boston. Does anyone have so few as 900 songs? Seriously? They act like this is a lot. HA! Wait, if they nailed someone sharing 900 songs I think I'm screwed...
-jg
This is the most appalling thing I have ever heard of. I am not buying another CD that is from the RIAA until they shape up. This is not the "hardcore" sharers they should be targeting. Despicable.
-jg
Boston may have old, strange laws from Puritan times like that, but it is also a very progressive city. Cambridge (right across the Charles River, where MIT, Tufts, and Harvard are) is the only city in the country where the voting age is 16.