They are being proactive at least. Please don't bring up the MOAB debacle from earlier in the year. When was the last time MS released any sort of patch before there was an exploit in the wild?
then any other IT sector: marketing trumps all. You can have a mediocre product that has a good marketing campaign and you will move product. Moving Product begets market penetration.**
My point was that the information i have read over the past year paints a different picture: on the whole, a high-school education with some AP classes in the US matches up well comparatively with the knowledge attained though the 3rd year of the majority of Indian collegiate programs.
I find it fascinating that the article calls out IBM's presence in India as anything more then an accounting advantage, especially with all the issues of late with India's college system. I was very interested to learn that many bachelor degrees that come from Indian Universities are no where near as comprehensive or difficult to get then the majority of our public universities, not even mentioning our private or elite schools.
For all the concern about the Indian Technologists and how they were going to commoditize software development, somewhere along the way all the 'experts' forgot they wern't comparing apples-to-apples with regard to their qualifications and education.
Flame on. =) (I jest, but my comment is a very real issue.)
For all the attitude and the "BS" this study supposedly is, you guys are all missing the point.
I will make it clear with a simple caveat to your thinking:
-Toyota builds a plant to make the prius that costs ~100 million USD -Toyota employs engineers to design the prius, plus R+D, at, oh, let's say ~50 million USD -Toyota rolls exactly 1(one) prius of the assembly line at their new plant.
The cost of that single prius is ~150 million USD, not counting the actual cost of material for the car, or the repair and maintenance over its lifetime. If the technology the prius uses eventually makes it into every toyota car, or every new car on the planet, then you can amortize those hundreds of millions of dollars over every single car.
Currently, the only way toyota can make a profit on the prius is volume. Count on the fact toyota's beancounters have a break-even point for prius units, and i'm willing to bet they will never see it. that's fine, they will take the charge each and every year to their balance sheet and write-down the losses. The prius is a loss-leader to get the company and industry into new technology.
That 1/3 is predominantly the MS shops that already were using VB, etc..NET adoption has become stagnate proportionally over the last 18 months. People just are not moving to.NET from other platforms, just upgrading from VB....
Is this a joke or a troll? Declining? Java is 54% of the corporate market for enterprise applications.
The WORA 'paradigm' as you called it is alive and well. j2se6 is fast - even swing is fast.
I've been using java for 9 years, first on the client and then on the server. The frameworks like struts, spring and shale are bringing religion and consistency to Java applications - and management LOVES consistency. Outside of corporate America, j2me is in most cell phones and set-tops.
i think the OPs point was that since google and apple have become so buddy-buddy, odds are good that google's resources are working on apps for the iPhone, pehaps a branding of it.
every 3141 days or so this question is asked. It wasn't true 30 years ago and it isn't true now. it's the same as gang warfare - we get kevlar, they get hollowpoints. we get semi-automatics, they get automatics....
what advantage does a single company have if they all their competitors use the same software? What, are the people going to set the company apart?!?(ha!)
Custom software within company's IS people - the knowledge of people are disected, analysed and automated in the form of proprietary systems. I'm currently working on a ~25 million USD project(actually there are a handfull of apps) whose goal is to automate various financing tasks. WIthout a doubt, we are doing it better now then we did 5 years ago, but there is no end in sight.
And don't be a sheep. I have screened more then 50 resumes in the past year for my proejct.(I'm the application architect) and the sheer amount of buzzwords is staggering. I especially love to probe the "Hibernate/Spring/Strus" crowd and see if they really know what they are talking about.
With regards to Hibernate, please, PLEASE, don't just use it because it is trendy. Hibernate is not a cure-all and works well only when your schema is object oriented. If you have lots of intersection tables, like many large(>1 billion records) applications, kiss your performance goodbye.
Use the right tool for the right job. There is not one tool for every job, except for the JLS.(Java language Spec.) When you get into implementations, you need to pick-and-choose.
int id = getCurrentProcessorOrCellUniqueID(); int modulo = 3;// change this to your liking
// elite auto-parallelization logic. shouts to the boyz in tha h00d! Hi mom! if((id % modulo) == 0){ // do proc or cell specific code based on mod }else if((id % modulo)) == 1){ // you get the idea.... }
Just doing my part to save you some $$$$. (dolla, bills yall!)
That comment was cute.
I'm sure you've seen Windows get into a confused state where you cannot log in. Not since running 2000.
This usually results in you having to boot into safe mode or do a repair install, though this doesn't always work Can't remember having to do that at any of the last 3 companies I have worked at. Maybe they did it at night with PXE and bootp so it was ready when I came in, after testing it and working all the bugs out before pushing it to end users. I wonder what would happen to google apps if w3c decides to change standards...again...? Hmm, maybe we would have all the different types of browsers render pages differently. Some working with google apps, and others not......
Hmmm....
I Wonder.....
Microsoft makes some change somewhere, and then after a while they figure it out and fix it. But they never tell you when to expect new patches. Microsoft just rolls out new code whenever they feel like it and you wind up suffering. You shouldn't be on the bleeding-edge then. Most enterprises run at least one major release back for just that reason, well, the serious businesses do anyways. I can't vouch for the mom-and-pop shops...
I talked to our sys admin. Exchange server is licensed on a per user basis. Office is available for unlimited copies. So looks like Google is exactly targeting the right segment. Cherry picking. Thanks for the correction. Talk to him again - we are a MS partner and SPLA licensee.
-Outlook comes with an Exchange CAL. -Office comes with Outlook. -A list needs three items.
The caffeine powering today's sarcasm has been used up so I will spare you the comedic jab.
but those concerns can easily be rectified with contracts. You must be new to business.
Contracts don't mean shit. Seriously. You wipe your behind with the same type of paper.
All a contract does is allow the possibility of action, it in no way can guarantee any outcome. That being said, what company would allow any modicum of risk to sensitive data, or even org charts?
I call bullshit on the 100,000 number. This has mediaHypeFUD written all over it.
GE, a government contractor, will not allow a 3rd-party to have any sort of access to project documentation. Neither will GM, BoA, or the rest of the fortune 1000.
Google apps has its place, but it is not in any "enterprise" i've ever worked in.
Correlation does not imply causation. There isn't enough information to come to any conclusions about the cause of the vulnerabilities. One would have to perform scans on a suitably large random sample and come up with some strong statistical data that demonstrates it is the kernel at fault, and not a vulnerability in user-space applications. Until you do this, it's just uninformed speculation. There are any number of more likely explanations, given the available data. I have spoken with several of the admins of the compromised machines and the kernel-exploit conclusion came from them - I did hop on the bandwagon after some discussion and analysis. Please, offer up a more likely explanation. Userland-proc running with privlidges gets comprimised? Sure, most of these machines had exactly one process running as root, and it has been eliminated as a suspect.
Where did I confine my points to Kernel-only features? This is a thread about operating systems. I disagreed with the way the Linux kernel development is done, so maybe that's where you made the leap, but the fact remains an OS is the sum of its parts. If you read the post, I explicitly state
(through other software albeit) meaning those services, like federated directory services, etc. can be gained through the use of LDAP, NIS, etc.
This is not an either-or discussion: an OS is a kernel and its supporting applications. On the whole, the Linux development community is poorly organized compared to the BSDs and MS.
Or perhaps you are claiming that these zero day exploits are a recent and rare phenomenon? Nope - but 0-1-infinity combined with the law of averages tells us that there are several kernel exploits out there in the wild that are not documented. I agree that more analysis needs to be done; however, when cases of exploited servers start creeping up, we look for patterns. So far, we have been able to narrow it down to RHEL Kernels and when you have production machines, you need to not jump to conclusions, but use a combination of methods and speed to implement countermeasures.
You seem to be claiming that these zero day vulnerabilities in the Linux kernel are common and occurring regularly. Despite this, in the three years 2.6 has been around, none of these vulnerabilities has ever been detected by legitimate sources. This strains believability. Surely at least one of these vulnerabilities would have been detected? Google is your friend
You apparently do not know what the differences between standard edition and enterprise edition are. Please remove the foot from your mouth and come back when you know what you're talking about.
Win Server EE supports clustering, failover, federated directory services and larger addressable memory space. The other OSs I listed have supported those things for a while(through other software albeit), and Win Server Standard does not support those particular features. That is why I included that "marketing nonsense". You foolishly thought I included the "marketing nonsense" because I thought it would make it appear to be a more capable OS. Foolish indeed, as the EE does have capabilities the other versions do not.
Here you go. Feel free to scan the hosts in that list to see what OS/Version they are running. Also, read this for some background.
This comment of yours:
you'll be able to provide an extensive list of documented vulnerabilities
is absurd. I specifically said 0-day, which implies NO documentation as of yet. There are several groups like the individual linked to at zone-h above that are using suexec'd processes to smash the stack on RHEL kernels and escalate privileges. I do not mean to be an ass, or a troll, but come off of your ivory tower and into the real-world: these tactics are used daily without any documentation other then what we can gleam from logs and conversations with other admins and researchers. God help you if you rely on CERT or some bugtraq list somewhere.
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They are being proactive at least. Please don't bring up the MOAB debacle from earlier in the year. When was the last time MS released any sort of patch before there was an exploit in the wild?
then any other IT sector: marketing trumps all. You can have a mediocre product that has a good marketing campaign and you will move product. Moving Product begets market penetration.**
-tp
** I set someone up GOOD for a comment....
then again it's a treo and not dependent on a provider with a single point-of-failure.
Mobile outlook 1, crackburry 0.
My point was that the information i have read over the past year paints a different picture: on the whole, a high-school education with some AP classes in the US matches up well comparatively with the knowledge attained though the 3rd year of the majority of Indian collegiate programs.
I find it fascinating that the article calls out IBM's presence in India as anything more then an accounting advantage, especially with all the issues of late with India's college system. I was very interested to learn that many bachelor degrees that come from Indian Universities are no where near as comprehensive or difficult to get then the majority of our public universities, not even mentioning our private or elite schools.
For all the concern about the Indian Technologists and how they were going to commoditize software development, somewhere along the way all the 'experts' forgot they wern't comparing apples-to-apples with regard to their qualifications and education.
Flame on. =) (I jest, but my comment is a very real issue.)
For all the attitude and the "BS" this study supposedly is, you guys are all missing the point.
I will make it clear with a simple caveat to your thinking:
-Toyota builds a plant to make the prius that costs ~100 million USD
-Toyota employs engineers to design the prius, plus R+D, at, oh, let's say ~50 million USD
-Toyota rolls exactly 1(one) prius of the assembly line at their new plant.
The cost of that single prius is ~150 million USD, not counting the actual cost of material for the car, or the repair and maintenance over its lifetime. If the technology the prius uses eventually makes it into every toyota car, or every new car on the planet, then you can amortize those hundreds of millions of dollars over every single car.
Currently, the only way toyota can make a profit on the prius is volume. Count on the fact toyota's beancounters have a break-even point for prius units, and i'm willing to bet they will never see it. that's fine, they will take the charge each and every year to their balance sheet and write-down the losses. The prius is a loss-leader to get the company and industry into new technology.
That 1/3 is predominantly the MS shops that already were using VB, etc. .NET adoption has become stagnate proportionally over the last 18 months. People just are not moving to .NET from other platforms, just upgrading from VB....
go check for yourself instead of looking like an ass?
----->click me
Is this a joke or a troll? Declining? Java is 54% of the corporate market for enterprise applications.
The WORA 'paradigm' as you called it is alive and well. j2se6 is fast - even swing is fast.
I've been using java for 9 years, first on the client and then on the server. The frameworks like struts, spring and shale are bringing religion and consistency to Java applications - and management LOVES consistency. Outside of corporate America, j2me is in most cell phones and set-tops.
Jobs on dice.com
'java' - 16156
'c#' - 6634
'asp' - 3521
'asp.net' - 4581
'.net' - 9097 (inclusive of previous keyword)
Fatality. Rayden(Gossling) Wins.
i think the OPs point was that since google and apple have become so buddy-buddy, odds are good that google's resources are working on apps for the iPhone, pehaps a branding of it.
every 3141 days or so this question is asked. It wasn't true 30 years ago and it isn't true now. it's the same as gang warfare - we get kevlar, they get hollowpoints. we get semi-automatics, they get automatics....
what advantage does a single company have if they all their competitors use the same software? What, are the people going to set the company apart?!?(ha!)
Custom software within company's IS people - the knowledge of people are disected, analysed and automated in the form of proprietary systems. I'm currently working on a ~25 million USD project(actually there are a handfull of apps) whose goal is to automate various financing tasks. WIthout a doubt, we are doing it better now then we did 5 years ago, but there is no end in sight.
Please mod parent up.
And don't be a sheep. I have screened more then 50 resumes in the past year for my proejct.(I'm the application architect) and the sheer amount of buzzwords is staggering. I especially love to probe the "Hibernate/Spring/Strus" crowd and see if they really know what they are talking about.
With regards to Hibernate, please, PLEASE, don't just use it because it is trendy. Hibernate is not a cure-all and works well only when your schema is object oriented. If you have lots of intersection tables, like many large(>1 billion records) applications, kiss your performance goodbye.
Use the right tool for the right job. There is not one tool for every job, except for the JLS.(Java language Spec.) When you get into implementations, you need to pick-and-choose.
Who wants to be the one to tell Al Gore???
Hmmm....
I Wonder..... Microsoft makes some change somewhere, and then after a while they figure it out and fix it. But they never tell you when to expect new patches. Microsoft just rolls out new code whenever they feel like it and you wind up suffering. You shouldn't be on the bleeding-edge then. Most enterprises run at least one major release back for just that reason, well, the serious businesses do anyways. I can't vouch for the mom-and-pop shops...
-Outlook comes with an Exchange CAL.
-Office comes with Outlook.
-A list needs three items.
The caffeine powering today's sarcasm has been used up so I will spare you the comedic jab.
Contracts don't mean shit. Seriously. You wipe your behind with the same type of paper.
All a contract does is allow the possibility of action, it in no way can guarantee any outcome. That being said, what company would allow any modicum of risk to sensitive data, or even org charts?
I call bullshit on the 100,000 number. This has mediaHypeFUD written all over it.
GE, a government contractor, will not allow a 3rd-party to have any sort of access to project documentation. Neither will GM, BoA, or the rest of the fortune 1000.
Google apps has its place, but it is not in any "enterprise" i've ever worked in.
Computers and software is not meant to function forever. This is the price you pay for not refreshing your equipment.
This is not an either-or discussion: an OS is a kernel and its supporting applications. On the whole, the Linux development community is poorly organized compared to the BSDs and MS.
You apparently do not know what the differences between standard edition and enterprise edition are. Please remove the foot from your mouth and come back when you know what you're talking about.
Win Server EE supports clustering, failover, federated directory services and larger addressable memory space. The other OSs I listed have supported those things for a while(through other software albeit), and Win Server Standard does not support those particular features. That is why I included that "marketing nonsense". You foolishly thought I included the "marketing nonsense" because I thought it would make it appear to be a more capable OS. Foolish indeed, as the EE does have capabilities the other versions do not.
Here you go. Feel free to scan the hosts in that list to see what OS/Version they are running. Also, read this for some background.
This comment of yours:
you'll be able to provide an extensive list of documented vulnerabilities
is absurd. I specifically said 0-day, which implies NO documentation as of yet. There are several groups like the individual linked to at zone-h above that are using suexec'd processes to smash the stack on RHEL kernels and escalate privileges. I do not mean to be an ass, or a troll, but come off of your ivory tower and into the real-world: these tactics are used daily without any documentation other then what we can gleam from logs and conversations with other admins and researchers. God help you if you rely on CERT or some bugtraq list somewhere.
yes.