buggy and it just does'nt work as nicely as the Palm's
Are we talking about the same Palm software? Because it seems that the Palm software you are talking about is a fictional myth. Because I have had a Palm and I had to ditch it because of lack of support, lack of _GOOD_ software, lack of a _GOOD_ security model. I got an IPaq and it works great, I couldn't be happier and it hasn't crashed yet, and I have had it for 8 months. By the way my Palm crashed about every 6 hours on the hour, this was with out running any kind of extra software that Palm doesn't already install on it.
So unless you have this new Palm that blows everything else out of the water I would have to say tha tyou are probably fibbing.
What many of you are forgetting is that inorder for a language to be used in mission critical applications in the U.S. Goverment it needs to go through a Standards Board and be ISO certified. This is a key requirement along with many others when defense contracters are taking a bid. I am not saying that they will ever use C# for mission critical applications, but C# is now closer than Java is.
What source code are you talking about? Also their source code if you are talking about one of their C++ programs, probably can be compiled by any C++ compiler as long as you have all the libraries to compile it with.
More and more people are getting computers every day, and even though developers aren't working on the software people are going to move to Windows. Because no matter how much I like Linux I would never give it to my grandparents because the User Interface and the ease of use just isn't there. Because no matter how much is automated you still have to use the command line for certain things. I think if Linux is to ever catch on the developers need to take a hard look at the processes the end user actually have to go through in order to use the software. I live by the statement "Powerfull but Simple". Which mean give the users a simple interface upfront to customize the software and let the power users dig into the menu system and turn on and off the controls that they want.
I have to say one thing about the developer issue. With more and more of the developers moving twords Linux doesn't this just leave a strangle hold for Microsoft to continue to flood the market with thier software. Because maybe all the developers are moving over to Linux but I garontee the Lay Person isn't. Microsoft still holds about 90% of the desktop users and that hasn't changed much since the introduction of Linux to the mass market in 1998.
Yeah tell me about it. Not only does he imply that it only runs on XP, which it doesn't it also runs on win2k. In addition to that he says the XML strips out all the formatting which it doesn't do that either. He also implies that everybody has to be on XP which is not true all this stuff will run on XP or win2k and the server software will run on win2k server or win2k3 server.
Also what the hell is "XP XML"? This guy has to be the worst informed person on the face of the earth. He is the kind of person that gives OSS advocates a bad name. You can tell he was just talking from his ass and trying to sound smart about a topic he had no clue about.
"Furthermore, Office's new collaboration featres will only work with users who are also running Office 2003 (requiring Windows 2000 or 2003) that are connecting over XP servers."
Did anybody actually try and read and understand this sentance. Because if you read it this guy refers to Windows 2003 as a workstation and totally leaves out XP in the process. In addition to refering to XP as a server.
I don't know if any of you cought on to that but it takes all credibility away from this guy in my eyes when he doesn't even understand the basics of the technology he is bitching about.
However inorder to teach how to solve problems you must use a set of tools. (i.e. Visual Studio, JBuilder, etc.) I know I just gave programming examples but a tool is a tool, and students should be given a wide variety of them so they can make the choice.
By the way you guys are about a month late reporting this. This was orginally released on 9/20/2002. and here is a link to what they actually said instead of what the guy reported in the orginal post.
To clear everything up here is the actual e-mail that was sent out
"By posting Your Stuff, You grant to Microsoft, under all of Your intellectual property and proprietary rights the following worldwide, non-exclusive, perpetual, irrevocable, royalty free, fully paid up rights: (1) to make, use, copy, modify and create derivative works of Your Stuff; (2) to publicly perform or display, import, broadcast, transmit, distribute, license, offer to sell, and sell, rent, lease, and lend copies of Your Stuff (and derivative works thereof); (3) to sublicense to third parties, including the right to sublicense to further third parties; and (ii) You agree You won't commence any legal action against Microsoft or any Participant or Visitor for exercising any of these rights."
We want to be clear that our intent was never to assume ownership of your code. In order to maintain a copy of your project on our servers and make it available for download by authorized users of your Workspace, we do need certain permissions from you (in legalese, we need licenses for certain of your intellectual property rights in your project). Based on your comments, we see that we were not sufficiently clear in conveying the intent of this section of the license. We apologize for the miscommunication in the license and hope the below changes will better represent our intent. The new section becomes:
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See unlike all the poor open source developers out there Microsoft actually has to cover it's ass leagelly so jackazzes from slashdot don't sue them.
Is it really a standard if nobody or very few people use it???? Because if everybody is coding to somebody elses methods, is the "standard" really a standard or is the method that everybody else is using the standard?
Listen the NSA does use Windows / Linux / Sun basically what ever the person prefers. But all the computers are on a closed network that has no access to the Internet at all. I have been in Fort Meade (NSA Headquarters) and every department has Internet access but it is usually limited to one computer per department that doesn't have any kind of knowledge on it.
The whole point of the specifications that they realeased if any of you accually read the thing before you started bitching about it, was it was for government agencies that were looking to set up W2K systems. By government agencies they probably ment local and state goverment, because the federal government has a set standard for their servers, and it is not W2K. They were doing this as a service to all the stupid Admins out there that mess up their W2K system because they are to retarded to read the manual and set up a good security protocol, and then go on slashdot and complain that Microsoft sucks because the knowledge to set up the server wasn't so obvious a chimp could set it up.
this is true I am also a Penn State student and who ever reported this was very mistaken. Penn State has decided to keep napster alive on it's network. but it will be monitoring the network for overuse of the program. as reported in a local newspaper 30 students and 1 instructur have been identified and have been sent letter to stop. But this is out of 40,000 students alone just on this one campus and their are 80,000 students in all of the campuses.
I think that this artical should be taken down since it is mostly fabricated on the authors part.
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This is a good thing because now I can put off balancing my check book virtually too.
Go FreeBSD there are more ports anyways.
But really that sucks but the government really shouldn't be funding Open Source Projects it just complicates the release of code way to much.
Yeah CMM is a method for producing good software with good practices. But the ISO 9001 standard is nessisary for alot of projects.
buggy and it just does'nt work as nicely as the Palm's
Are we talking about the same Palm software? Because it seems that the Palm software you are talking about is a fictional myth. Because I have had a Palm and I had to ditch it because of lack of support, lack of _GOOD_ software, lack of a _GOOD_ security model. I got an IPaq and it works great, I couldn't be happier and it hasn't crashed yet, and I have had it for 8 months. By the way my Palm crashed about every 6 hours on the hour, this was with out running any kind of extra software that Palm doesn't already install on it.
So unless you have this new Palm that blows everything else out of the water I would have to say tha tyou are probably fibbing.
What many of you are forgetting is that inorder for a language to be used in mission critical applications in the U.S. Goverment it needs to go through a Standards Board and be ISO certified. This is a key requirement along with many others when defense contracters are taking a bid. I am not saying that they will ever use C# for mission critical applications, but C# is now closer than Java is.
Here is the link to the patch that MS is talking about in their KB article. There is a german and english patch currently availiable.
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http://www.windowplanet.net/community/forum/topic
What source code are you talking about? Also their source code if you are talking about one of their C++ programs, probably can be compiled by any C++ compiler as long as you have all the libraries to compile it with.
More and more people are getting computers every day, and even though developers aren't working on the software people are going to move to Windows. Because no matter how much I like Linux I would never give it to my grandparents because the User Interface and the ease of use just isn't there. Because no matter how much is automated you still have to use the command line for certain things. I think if Linux is to ever catch on the developers need to take a hard look at the processes the end user actually have to go through in order to use the software. I live by the statement "Powerfull but Simple". Which mean give the users a simple interface upfront to customize the software and let the power users dig into the menu system and turn on and off the controls that they want.
I have to say one thing about the developer issue. With more and more of the developers moving twords Linux doesn't this just leave a strangle hold for Microsoft to continue to flood the market with thier software. Because maybe all the developers are moving over to Linux but I garontee the Lay Person isn't. Microsoft still holds about 90% of the desktop users and that hasn't changed much since the introduction of Linux to the mass market in 1998.
Just my 2 cents.
Nick
Yeah tell me about it. Not only does he imply that it only runs on XP, which it doesn't it also runs on win2k. In addition to that he says the XML strips out all the formatting which it doesn't do that either. He also implies that everybody has to be on XP which is not true all this stuff will run on XP or win2k and the server software will run on win2k server or win2k3 server.
Also what the hell is "XP XML"? This guy has to be the worst informed person on the face of the earth. He is the kind of person that gives OSS advocates a bad name. You can tell he was just talking from his ass and trying to sound smart about a topic he had no clue about.
"Furthermore, Office's new collaboration featres will only work with users who are also running Office 2003 (requiring Windows 2000 or 2003) that are connecting over XP servers."
Did anybody actually try and read and understand this sentance. Because if you read it this guy refers to Windows 2003 as a workstation and totally leaves out XP in the process. In addition to refering to XP as a server.
I don't know if any of you cought on to that but it takes all credibility away from this guy in my eyes when he doesn't even understand the basics of the technology he is bitching about.
Can you point to a source that actually gives that fact for the number one point.
However inorder to teach how to solve problems you must use a set of tools. (i.e. Visual Studio, JBuilder, etc.) I know I just gave programming examples but a tool is a tool, and students should be given a wide variety of them so they can make the choice.
By the way you guys are about a month late reporting this. This was orginally released on 9/20/2002. and here is a link to what they actually said instead of what the guy reported in the orginal post.
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http://www.gotdotnet.com/community/messageboard
To clear everything up here is the actual e-mail that was sent out
"By posting Your Stuff, You grant to Microsoft, under all of Your intellectual property and proprietary rights the following worldwide, non-exclusive, perpetual, irrevocable, royalty free, fully paid up rights: (1) to make, use, copy, modify and create derivative works of Your Stuff; (2) to publicly perform or display, import, broadcast, transmit, distribute, license, offer to sell, and sell, rent, lease, and lend copies of Your Stuff (and derivative works thereof); (3) to sublicense to third parties, including the right to sublicense to further third parties; and (ii) You agree You won't commence any legal action against Microsoft or any Participant or Visitor for exercising any of these rights."
We want to be clear that our intent was never to assume ownership of your code. In order to maintain a copy of your project on our servers and make it available for download by authorized users of your Workspace, we do need certain permissions from you (in legalese, we need licenses for certain of your intellectual property rights in your project). Based on your comments, we see that we were not sufficiently clear in conveying the intent of this section of the license. We apologize for the miscommunication in the license and hope the below changes will better represent our intent. The new section becomes:
"By posting Your Stuff to a Workspace, You understand and agree that you're giving a license under your intellectual property rights to all authorized users of the Workspace, including the rights to download, copy, modify, distribute and repost. In addition, you're giving Microsoft all the necessary rights to make Your Stuff available as part of the Project."
See unlike all the poor open source developers out there Microsoft actually has to cover it's ass leagelly so jackazzes from slashdot don't sue them.
Is it really a standard if nobody or very few people use it???? Because if everybody is coding to somebody elses methods, is the "standard" really a standard or is the method that everybody else is using the standard?
Why do you think they are working so hard to get .Net ported to FreeBSD. Because then Mac X would only be a step away
Listen the NSA does use Windows / Linux / Sun basically what ever the person prefers. But all the computers are on a closed network that has no access to the Internet at all. I have been in Fort Meade (NSA Headquarters) and every department has Internet access but it is usually limited to one computer per department that doesn't have any kind of knowledge on it.
The whole point of the specifications that they realeased if any of you accually read the thing before you started bitching about it, was it was for government agencies that were looking to set up W2K systems. By government agencies they probably ment local and state goverment, because the federal government has a set standard for their servers, and it is not W2K. They were doing this as a service to all the stupid Admins out there that mess up their W2K system because they are to retarded to read the manual and set up a good security protocol, and then go on slashdot and complain that Microsoft sucks because the knowledge to set up the server wasn't so obvious a chimp could set it up.
this is true I am also a Penn State student and who ever reported this was very mistaken. Penn State has decided to keep napster alive on it's network. but it will be monitoring the network for overuse of the program. as reported in a local newspaper 30 students and 1 instructur have been identified and have been sent letter to stop. But this is out of 40,000 students alone just on this one campus and their are 80,000 students in all of the campuses. I think that this artical should be taken down since it is mostly fabricated on the authors part.