I used to do some work for clients who had their systems at exodus and I found that it all seemed a little over the top. I've never understood why a datacenter needs 12 confrence rooms (or any for that matter... it's an OutSourced Datacenter, not a Marriot), bullet proof glass in the lobby, redundancy beyond reason - generators with enough fuel and power to run for 120 days at FULL load???? If the power is down for 6 months, chances are there's more important things to deal with than your website.
Also, when I was shopping around for my own hoster, Exodus (while _extremely_ nice) didn't even bother trying to price within a budget. It was if they had been so used to getting blind VC money, that they didn't even understand the phrase, "I can't afford that." I don't know, just my opinion....
Seems to me that the whole term Cyber Squatting is a little silly.
First - If I pay for it, then it's mine. If cybersquating is a problem, then perhaps NSI should go through all the TM's out there and just give the names to everyone that owns the TM. Otherwise, Fuck Off. If I have to pay for and I get there first, then blow-me.com.
Second - Why is it that a company's rights come before the individual? How is it that my right to 'free speech' & 'free expresion' suddenly go away because some co., inc. decided to say something. If I say, "Coke sucks ass." does that give Coke the right to sue me or challenge my use of the word "Coke" in my speech? No. But if I build a website called "cokesucksass.com", then I'm infringing on the TM "Coke"? I still don't think so. Even if I get the domain name, "coke.com" just so I can express how much I dislike coke, then Coca-Cola is shit out of luck in my book.
As far as I'm concerned, if the soccer team wasn't fast enough to get it, screw them. If Dow Jones, Microsoft, Etoys, or anyone else didn't register it, then it's up for grabs!
As for reality, I think it sucks. We should be changing the whole broken mess, instead of saying, "well that's not cybersquating, but the other one is." and OK'ing the revocation of our rights. I'm tired of seeing my rights as an individual get trampled on in favor of the rights of a non-entity corporation.
Here's another one to Ponder: As I write this, does/. have editorial control over what I write? Or are they just a distribution channel for my comments published by me (by the very act of typing this in and pressing the submit button). I would venture that/. is a distributor and therefore not subject to responsibility for content in the same way Amazon.com is not responsible for the content of the material contained w/in the text of their product.
Call me and IDEALIST, but... 1. If you pay $1,200 US for service, you get service. If your service is free, then you take your chances. If I go to a restraunt and pay money and don't get service, it's not my fault. It's not the little ISP's fault if they don't do redundancy. I think the little ISP's should beat themselves up, they don't need us to do it. The bottom line is that MCI went down, not the little guy and MCI should pay for everything not the little guy.
2. "any business" is not a corporation.
3. Your logic should also apply to MCI, perhaps they should have reduncancy built into their network so that this doesn't happen.
Wow. I'm reading your comments and I'm astonished and shocked that minds out there actually think like this.... Jon Katz, here's your next essay, "Appathy: How never questioning authority has helpd in my life"
How about if the government broke into his systems?
I guess your not aware that converstions and data is monitored on a regular basis. Perhaps you should have said, "How about if the government broke into hisPhone Conversations?." Well, how about it? The gov. does it all the time and without any recourse if they do it "illeagally". Who gets sent to jail when some cop or D.A. taps your conversations w/o a warrant? Answer: NO ONE Who gets sent to jail for murdering innocent people (read "Waco, TX 'Koresh Compound'" - now that's not propaganda vocabulary, is it?) when the gov. does it? ANSWER: NO ONE As for some of the other comments made by other posters like "He stole thousands from various companies, what about them?" [my paraphrase] Well, what about them? When are we going to hold them criminally responsible for stealing money from Millions of people (ever been over charged on your phone bill, cable, electric, etc.) Or what about the companies like G.E. that dump PCBs into rivers and lakes and kill thousands of children via cancer; who goes to jail for that? When TWA flight 800 blows up, who goes to jail for that; if I skid on a patch of ice and kill a kid in the street, I get charged with involuntary manslaughter. Step up CEO's and stock holders, it's time for someone to go to jail for all the crimes companies commit. Now, let's ask that question one more time, "What about the companies that were victims of Mitnick?" - they can have theirs when they are willing to hold the responsiblities that come with the protection of their freedom.
As far as spending 5 yrs. in jail w/o trial or bail hearing, what happend to "INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY"? Obviously, you've already convicted him. Well, FUCK YOU, your not on any jury sitting for a U.S. V. Mitnik, are you? Who are any of us to judge whether he's guilty or not unless we are one of the 12 that sit in judgment of his acts? The only thing we can judge is the gov.'s actions to apprehend and attempt conviction of Mitnick. Personally, I judge them as bad! Everyone wants to see someone else hang untill it's their turn; One day, it will be.
I have yet to see a copy of W95 "Upgrade" come with boot disk. Before you complain about illegal installs of "one of their OSes", check with the poster. Perhaps you didn't notice that he said "without a working boot disk", not, "without a boot disk."
In the future, Anonymous COWARD, read the post you reply to.
I think you're only looking at it from one side... I, too, support several thousand users -6000- (on my server's side THANK GOD:), I understand that the user is, for the most part, an Idiot. Realize, however, that most of my ( I don't know your) users get a computer with a "Build" suited to their job and never get out of that build. They don't do installs, don't log in to netware as the supervisor, and don't log into my machines as root. They just do a job. Unfortunatly, they have to reboot all the time to do their job. I querried my helpdesk stats and discovered that last year ( assuming 30 seconds for a reboot), my company paid it's employees to sit and support a microsoft product for 4563.125 work days. Now assume each one of these people get paid $10/hour w/ an 8 hour work day (10 is very conservative), we spent $365,050 just puting up with a finicky OS. This cost doesn't take into account revenues/person that were lost because the user wasn't working and earning revenues. Also, this only notes where the help desk reported having the user reboot, not where the user, having run into this problem before, decided to reboot and that fixed the issue.
Basicly, what I'm saying is this: Users do what the company tells them to do and on what os to do it on. You don't have to be a Guru to use a computer in the way Users use it. You just have to get paid. Now, if my company wanted to save $350K a year, they would switch to Linux and spend the $350 to get their 3 Windows locked apps ported (chances are, they'd get change back.)
They could easily reduce support costs as one (or a team of) administrators could log into their box and fix any issues except hardware, which could then be diagnosed more quickly and save money on the support costs again. Bottom line, if you tell them too, users will.
I'm not sure if FS merrits is off topic, but since it was mentioned in the article... Journaled FS' are great. There is slightly more overhead involved there, but the stability offered is wonderfull. I work with AIX at work & can't count how many times I've had to just power off the system and it comes right back up. Journaling also provides *some* (though little) level of abstraction, allowing for more deviation from the standard partition scheme. One of the things I've wanted to see in Linux is the Logical Volume Manager from IBM, or something like Verritas, or HP's Volume Manager. If we could build that into the kernel, it seems to me that these would be the "features" that everyone wants to see. Now that we have the most stable OS in the world, I hope we can provide all the features that make the *commercial* OS' so consumable.
I'm sorry. Perhaps I should have tried harder to be the school prom King. Perhaps I just wanted to be called 'Fag' all the time. If only I could have just ignored my curriosity for the binary challenge, or my love for good art. Silly me to think that I didn't fit in with the people who kicked me in the hall and spit on my lunch and snapped me with their towles in the shower after P.E. Perhaps I should have refered to them as 'Your Highness' & all that humiliation would have gone away! Perhaps I shouldn't have ever opened a book at lunch time so it wouldn't have gotten stolen. Of course I did it to myself! What an idiot I've been all these years to think that they didn't like me. If only I would have known that all that shit was their way of saying, "Hey bud, Let's be friends."
Bucko seems an appropo nick for your 'Myoptic Views'!
I would have to argue that given the legal atmosphere today, You can surely expect to be sued or brought up on charges in some way if there was one stupid user that didn't like it. Boston, for example, is trying to sue Gun Manufactures for the cost incured in providing free health care to some of the less affluent victims of Gun shot wounds. Does that really make sense? Is there anyone on this planet that doesn't know that guns were designed to KILL. Look at the states v. tobacco settlement. If a company made something and sold it with out any misrepresentation, they would still be held responsible for the Consumer's Stupidity. If another company were coerced into makeing a blocking product then I think it's clear that there is a monopolistic tendency there. I guess now, the big question is, "Does Intel have any fingers in the 'Net Filtering software to filter out anti-intel sites?" - That's not even close to paranoid in light of the NAV thing.
What the hell? It's ok now for Intel to just declare things it doesn't like as viri and bully the Anti-Virus makers into doing their dirty work? Here you go DOJ, do your worst against this NOT so Phantom Menace. While I can appreciate INTEL's investment in Linux by working with RedHat and Cygnus, this goes to far. I'm not sure I want that kind of Dirty Money in our Community. I guess it's not a far away day when Intel will be telling us what's good for us by forceing SuSE & RedHat into stuff they don't want to do. I dunno, I call BullShit Intel, time for you to drink!
It's interesting when you think about how AT&T (Bell Labs) released AT&T SystemV R2 to everyone for free and it (after some time at berkley) grew into r4 that is now the -arguably- defacto standard in commercial releases.
When AT&T sold the 'UNIX' license to Novell (UNIXWare), I always felt it just became another commercial OS that no can play with and you have to wear a tie to get in front of. Imagine, and it's not that hard, Linux as the New AT&T sVr4, and AIX, Solaris, HP-UX, Irix, & even SCO are 'commercialy adding features' to the OS in the same way they did with sVr4.
Idunoh, It seems like mabye embraceing Linux is the right path.
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I used to do some work for clients who had their systems at exodus and I found that it all seemed a little over the top. I've never understood why a datacenter needs 12 confrence rooms (or any for that matter... it's an OutSourced Datacenter, not a Marriot), bullet proof glass in the lobby, redundancy beyond reason - generators with enough fuel and power to run for 120 days at FULL load???? If the power is down for 6 months, chances are there's more important things to deal with than your website.
Also, when I was shopping around for my own hoster, Exodus (while _extremely_ nice) didn't even bother trying to price within a budget. It was if they had been so used to getting blind VC money, that they didn't even understand the phrase, "I can't afford that." I don't know, just my opinion....
Seems to me that the whole term Cyber Squatting is a little silly.
First - If I pay for it, then it's mine. If cybersquating is a problem, then perhaps NSI should go through all the TM's out there and just give the names to everyone that owns the TM. Otherwise, Fuck Off. If I have to pay for and I get there first, then blow-me.com.
Second - Why is it that a company's rights come before the individual? How is it that my right to 'free speech' & 'free expresion' suddenly go away because some co., inc. decided to say something. If I say, "Coke sucks ass." does that give Coke the right to sue me or challenge my use of the word "Coke" in my speech? No. But if I build a website called "cokesucksass.com", then I'm infringing on the TM "Coke"? I still don't think so. Even if I get the domain name, "coke.com" just so I can express how much I dislike coke, then Coca-Cola is shit out of luck in my book.
As far as I'm concerned, if the soccer team wasn't fast enough to get it, screw them. If Dow Jones, Microsoft, Etoys, or anyone else didn't register it, then it's up for grabs!
As for reality, I think it sucks. We should be changing the whole broken mess, instead of saying, "well that's not cybersquating, but the other one is." and OK'ing the revocation of our rights. I'm tired of seeing my rights as an individual get trampled on in favor of the rights of a non-entity corporation.
-Josh
Here's another one to Ponder: As I write this, does /. have editorial control over what I write? Or are they just a distribution channel for my comments published by me (by the very act of typing this in and pressing the submit button). I would venture that /. is a distributor and therefore not subject to responsibility for content in the same way Amazon.com is not responsible for the content of the material contained w/in the text of their product.
Hotmail has the ability to check other accounts via pop3. I couldn't verify the hole, so I wonder if any of those accounts were comprimised also.
I ask because when I'm behind a firewall at a customer site, I have to use hotmail to get to my personal e-mail that's not on hotmail.
Call me and IDEALIST, but...
1. If you pay $1,200 US for service, you get service. If your service is free, then you take your chances. If I go to a restraunt and pay money and don't get service, it's not my fault. It's not the little ISP's fault if they don't do redundancy. I think the little ISP's should beat themselves up, they don't need us to do it. The bottom line is that MCI went down, not the little guy and MCI should pay for everything not the little guy.
2. "any business" is not a corporation.
3. Your logic should also apply to MCI, perhaps they should have reduncancy built into their network so that this doesn't happen.
Wow. I'm reading your comments and I'm astonished and shocked that minds out there actually think like this.... Jon Katz, here's your next essay, "Appathy: How never questioning authority has helpd in my life"
How about if the government broke into his systems?
I guess your not aware that converstions and data is monitored on a regular basis. Perhaps you should have said, "How about if the government broke into his Phone Conversations?." Well, how about it? The gov. does it all the time and without any recourse if they do it "illeagally". Who gets sent to jail when some cop or D.A. taps your conversations w/o a warrant? Answer: NO ONE
Who gets sent to jail for murdering innocent people (read "Waco, TX 'Koresh Compound'" - now that's not propaganda vocabulary, is it?) when the gov. does it? ANSWER: NO ONE
As for some of the other comments made by other posters like "He stole thousands from various companies, what about them?" [my paraphrase] Well, what about them? When are we going to hold them criminally responsible for stealing money from Millions of people (ever been over charged on your phone bill, cable, electric, etc.) Or what about the companies like G.E. that dump PCBs into rivers and lakes and kill thousands of children via cancer; who goes to jail for that? When TWA flight 800 blows up, who goes to jail for that; if I skid on a patch of ice and kill a kid in the street, I get charged with involuntary manslaughter. Step up CEO's and stock holders, it's time for someone to go to jail for all the crimes companies commit. Now, let's ask that question one more time, "What about the companies that were victims of Mitnick?" - they can have theirs when they are willing to hold the responsiblities that come with the protection of their freedom.
As far as spending 5 yrs. in jail w/o trial or bail hearing, what happend to "INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY"? Obviously, you've already convicted him. Well, FUCK YOU, your not on any jury sitting for a U.S. V. Mitnik, are you? Who are any of us to judge whether he's guilty or not unless we are one of the 12 that sit in judgment of his acts? The only thing we can judge is the gov.'s actions to apprehend and attempt conviction of Mitnick. Personally, I judge them as bad! Everyone wants to see someone else hang untill it's their turn; One day, it will be.
-Sonic
I have yet to see a copy of W95 "Upgrade" come with boot disk. Before you complain about illegal installs of "one of their OSes", check with the poster. Perhaps you didn't notice that he said "without a working boot disk", not, "without a boot disk."
In the future, Anonymous COWARD, read the post you reply to.
-sonic
I think you're only looking at it from one side... I, too, support several thousand users -6000- (on my server's side THANK GOD :), I understand that the user is, for the most part, an Idiot. Realize, however, that most of my ( I don't know your) users get a computer with a "Build" suited to their job and never get out of that build. They don't do installs, don't log in to netware as the supervisor, and don't log into my machines as root. They just do a job. Unfortunatly, they have to reboot all the time to do their job. I querried my helpdesk stats and discovered that last year ( assuming 30 seconds for a reboot), my company paid it's employees to sit and support a microsoft product for 4563.125 work days. Now assume each one of these people get paid $10/hour w/ an 8 hour work day (10 is very conservative), we spent $365,050 just puting up with a finicky OS. This cost doesn't take into account revenues/person that were lost because the user wasn't working and earning revenues. Also, this only notes where the help desk reported having the user reboot, not where the user, having run into this problem before, decided to reboot and that fixed the issue.
Basicly, what I'm saying is this:
Users do what the company tells them to do and on what os to do it on. You don't have to be a Guru to use a computer in the way Users use it. You just have to get paid. Now, if my company wanted to save $350K a year, they would switch to Linux and spend the $350 to get their 3 Windows locked apps ported (chances are, they'd get change back.)
They could easily reduce support costs as one (or a team of) administrators could log into their box and fix any issues except hardware, which could then be diagnosed more quickly and save money on the support costs again. Bottom line, if you tell them too, users will.
-sonic
Perhaps you didn't see the blurb about Caldera and Troll doing a qt GUI install....
I'm not sure if FS merrits is off topic, but since it was mentioned in the article... Journaled FS' are great. There is slightly more overhead involved there, but the stability offered is wonderfull. I work with AIX at work & can't count how many times I've had to just power off the system and it comes right back up. Journaling also provides *some* (though little) level of abstraction, allowing for more deviation from the standard partition scheme. One of the things I've wanted to see in Linux is the Logical Volume Manager from IBM, or something like Verritas, or HP's Volume Manager. If we could build that into the kernel, it seems to me that these would be the "features" that everyone wants to see. Now that we have the most stable OS in the world, I hope we can provide all the features that make the *commercial* OS' so consumable.
I'm sorry. Perhaps I should have tried harder to be the school prom King. Perhaps I just wanted to be called 'Fag' all the time. If only I could have just ignored my curriosity for the binary challenge, or my love for good art. Silly me to think that I didn't fit in with the people who kicked me in the hall and spit on my lunch and snapped me with their towles in the shower after P.E. Perhaps I should have refered to them as 'Your Highness' & all that humiliation would have gone away! Perhaps I shouldn't have ever opened a book at lunch time so it wouldn't have gotten stolen. Of course I did it to myself! What an idiot I've been all these years to think that they didn't like me. If only I would have known that all that shit was their way of saying, "Hey bud, Let's be friends."
Bucko seems an appropo nick for your 'Myoptic Views'!
-sonic
I would have to argue that given the legal atmosphere today, You can surely expect to be sued or brought up on charges in some way if there was one stupid user that didn't like it. Boston, for example, is trying to sue Gun Manufactures for the cost incured in providing free health care to some of the less affluent victims of Gun shot wounds. Does that really make sense? Is there anyone on this planet that doesn't know that guns were designed to KILL. Look at the states v. tobacco settlement. If a company made something and sold it with out any misrepresentation, they would still be held responsible for the Consumer's Stupidity. If another company were coerced into makeing a blocking product then I think it's clear that there is a monopolistic tendency there. I guess now, the big question is, "Does Intel have any fingers in the 'Net Filtering software to filter out anti-intel sites?" - That's not even close to paranoid in light of the NAV thing.
-sonic
What the hell? It's ok now for Intel to just declare things it doesn't like as viri and bully the Anti-Virus makers into doing their dirty work? Here you go DOJ, do your worst against this NOT so Phantom Menace. While I can appreciate INTEL's investment in Linux by working with RedHat and Cygnus, this goes to far. I'm not sure I want that kind of Dirty Money in our Community. I guess it's not a far away day when Intel will be telling us what's good for us by forceing SuSE & RedHat into stuff they don't want to do. I dunno, I call BullShit Intel, time for you to drink!
It's interesting when you think about how AT&T (Bell Labs) released AT&T SystemV R2 to everyone for free and it (after some time at berkley) grew into r4 that is now the -arguably- defacto standard in commercial releases.
When AT&T sold the 'UNIX' license to Novell (UNIXWare), I always felt it just became another commercial OS that no can play with and you have to wear a tie to get in front of. Imagine, and it's not that hard, Linux as the New AT&T sVr4, and AIX, Solaris, HP-UX, Irix, & even SCO are 'commercialy adding features' to the OS in the same way they did with sVr4.
Idunoh, It seems like mabye embraceing Linux is the right path.