1. The US army (= the governement) created Internet 2. They authorized universities to connect 3. They authorized people in the world to connect 4. They authorized commerce 5. They delegated THEIR rights to ICANN
That's it. Internet belongs to the US governement that *GAVE* its control to ICANN.
Countries have nothing to say like they have nothing to say about Ford Motors or about International Red Cross.
It's a lot simpler: 1. The US army (= the governement) created Internet 2. They authorized universities to connect 3. They authorized people in the world to connect 4. They authorized commerce 5. They delegated THEIR rights to ICANN
That's it. Internet belongs to the US governement that *GAVE* its control to ICANN.
This is wrong. When you pay for Microsoft Office, does it gives you the right to choose what Microsoft does with it ? No.
Therefore when you code something you can do WHATEVER YOU WANT.
The only restrictions are:
- if the customer gives you secret/breveted/etc solutions or ideas or private methods related to his area of business
- or if he spends a lot of time with you and is also author of the program
- if the customer and you signed a contract of exclusivity and closed source before starting the project
But in any other case, you can do the following:
- sell it to other customers
- make it GPL
- make it open-source
- etc
Of course, morally, you must simply ask him for a price corresponding to what you do. You cannot ask him to pay you royaly (high price) and make it GPL or sell it to others. But if the price is quite modest and simply pay your time, maybe you can...
It's up to you and your client, and to the relation you have...
If RedHat "complies" with hardware, that's because they make the manufacturers pay for it, which is only commercial and not better than Microsoft. One of the biggest reason to use Linux, contradictory with RedHat, then.
And the real compatibility is the *same* in all distributions, SuSE being even a lot better than Redhat. A friend of me has SuSE and I was surprised by the big list of supported TV cards.
But if you speak about "serious" use, as you seem to say, then the most "serious", professionnal distribution is *Debian*.
Conclusion, there is something for everyone, from begginner (Mandrake, SuSE) to professionnal use (SuSE, Debian) and experts (Debian) and this is good...
BTW to answer prescisely to your assumption I had to try Mandrake (latest version) and it was very good. It was like SuSE was 2-3 years ago "very good but not totally mature", while SuSE is now "mature" (Everything works perfectly)
Ok, you misunderstood me. I agree with you about today's situation. You can do an apt-get upgrade under debian and your maybe old mailserver is immediately corrected. But I am speaking about Linux/Internet in 1997, for example...
But most importantly : I am speaking about systems that didn't get SPAM, that were just reported as being open, not as being generating and providing spam.
Don't forget that the first victim or relaying SPAM is the open mailserver itself;-)
And most importantly these lists are not based on any RFC or any standard
We too were listed on some of these lists. And this was at the beggining of what is now know "mail relaying". Before then, all mail servers were open-relays, and suddently your emails are blocked !
Therefore I'm against these lists but I would suggest another solution :
1. These list should inform you have been added
2. They should leave you 10-15 days to fix the problem before blocking you
3. They should help you. I was *very* shocked by ORBS attitude "we block you, and we don't care if you cannot correct it"
The problem 3 is quite grave : What can you do if your mail server doesn't support anti-relay ?
Or if you must buy another licence, or it it's opensource, but needs a new version of the OS, or things like that. OK, now all email servers support anti-relay. But this was not the case at this time.
And FIRST OF ALL, I would really like to have a RFC on this subject : I don't accept ORBS having decided what's permitted and what's not ! Some relaying is permitted and some not.
Example : Accept any IP address for relay except ORBS, you won't be blocked but you're an open relay;-)
I saw a very deep and complete journalistic inquiry today on TV about Olympics.
It seems that CIO/IOC are very near to ALL dicatorships in the World : In Africa and in Korea, but also with old est-Germany, dictator Ceaucescou (Roumania) and Samaranch president of CIO was *very* near to Franco dictator in Espagna. Ok, well, this could be one thing.
But there is more. They only paid PR and "image correctors" when the subject was about Salt Lake city corruption, or about Kim-Yung(?) that pretends he created taekuando(?) (which is wrong in fact it was invented by another Corean, now in exil in Canada !) : His daughter got money from Salt Lake city, 'his sport' was admitted to the Olympics while a really more widespread sport (Karaté) is totally ignored.
And even more, "Sion 2006" in Switzerland was from FAR the best candidature, but Turin was choosen : Even organisators from Turin were surprised to win for 2006 ! And then we saw that Samaranch, IOC president is a GREAT and OLD FRIEND with Fiat (the car fanufacturer) owner, who resides and come from... Turin ! What a coincidence !
And there was also what said a very known US sportsman that was in the CIO but left it because of corruption, dictatorship and so on.
Well, it was really interesting, but also disgusting about the CIO. And I say that even if I live in Switzerland, country of the CIO,
80 kilometers away from the CIO siege. Really I hope it will change in the following years...
most governement speak about costs. This is good because it will help Linux, but this shouldn't be the only point ! A lot of other big advantages come with open source / free software :
* stability
to avoid a crash every day
* security :
with closed source there is a lot of holes you'll never know of, and cannot correct
* future compatibility :
how to read old Word files, as it is forbidden to install an old version ?!
* openness :
A Word document cannot (or shouldn't be opened) under another OS + application than MSOffice
* and of course cost :
Linux and GNU are at the end a *lot* less expensive
But if cost drives the governement into Linux (and etc), after all the aim will be reached, even if not exactely for the best reasons;-)
1. What they did is TOTALLY stupid : People that really want to access these sites only have to put as nameserver not their provider DNS but ANY DNS ANYWHERE ON INTERNET !
And all comments I have read there are totally wrong (things with HTTP 1.1) you just change the DNS (resolv.conf or Panel->Network->DNS) and you're ok.
2. It's technically VERY DANGEROUS because it
could come to a name space fragmentation
3. And therefore I wonder if it's legal. Internet is owned by US governement, delegated to ICANN, and creation of toplevel domaine like
www.someaddress.new is forbidden. Chaging DNS information like this censorship is therefore maybe forbidden (we should verify) by ICANN
4. Why is it right ? It's not the same as censorship in China. To those that disagreed :
Germany is a democracy with laws. You are not allowed to deny holocaust in book, in magazines, in the streets and so on. Now, why would it be different on Internet ? Why is it bad for books and good for the net ? Why is it "dangerous" ?
You must either want both to be allowed or none, but we are in Europe and I suppose we want none to be allowed.
Even worse, do you think that killing childrens and putting photographies or MOVIES of that on the Internet is acceptable ?!?!??! Just learn that it's legal (or not prosecuted) in a lot of countries, do you still believe it shouldn't be censored ???
Sorry to say that, but IMHO all X11/Linux WM are crap ! KDE and others are based on Windows, Bill Gates was even able to lobotomize imagination of Linux developpers, and other window managers are often either old, either they don't support basic services like drag&drop. Most of them are using virtual screens instead of better and more creative ideas... Well I'm quite dispointed. Even worse, the small standard utilities of KDE are so POOR : kpaint (sorry for the authors) only reminds me of MSPaint, so WHY THE HELL didn't you do something ELSE, better or worse,
but DIFFERENT THAN Windows ?
For now, I'm using Windows and KDE, but I really dislike them both. In 1993 the AmigaOS was really
great to use, logical, PREDICTABLE, and different.
A simple examples, as someone said, the menus
where always at the same place (like on the Mac)
for all programs. And this "Windows Menu", copied
in KDE (why???) is totally unusable, you never know where to click, and you always miss what
you wanted to click on:-(
Well, I'm looking forward for something worthy to
Linux and the Unix communauty;-))
> The radio signals sent out by the towers just > aren't that strong.
They ARE ! A GSM antenna has got a 15km range, while you're a 9-10km from ground in the airplane. The real issue is that antennas are directed horizontally, not vertically;-))
> Heck, you can barely go through an office > building using a cell phone. You CAN'T go > through a tunnel.
Strange, it depends on countries... In Switzerland, where GSM is working, you can even sometimes have a phone conversation on second level/floor under ground, f.e. in a public parking !!!
Slashdot Mirror
A: It's very simple :
1. The US army (= the governement) created Internet
2. They authorized universities to connect
3. They authorized people in the world to connect
4. They authorized commerce
5. They delegated THEIR rights to ICANN
That's it. Internet belongs to the US governement that *GAVE* its control to ICANN.
Countries have nothing to say like they have nothing to say about Ford Motors or about International Red Cross.
Now, is that good ? That's ANOTHER question...
You take it by the wrong side !
:
It's a lot simpler
1. The US army (= the governement) created Internet
2. They authorized universities to connect
3. They authorized people in the world to connect
4. They authorized commerce
5. They delegated THEIR rights to ICANN
That's it. Internet belongs to the US governement that *GAVE* its control to ICANN.
Countries have nothing to say.
Now, is that good ? That's ANOTHER question...
This is wrong. When you pay for Microsoft Office, does it gives you the right to choose what Microsoft does with it ? No.
:
:
Therefore when you code something you can do WHATEVER YOU WANT.
The only restrictions are
- if the customer gives you secret/breveted/etc solutions or ideas or private methods related to his area of business
- or if he spends a lot of time with you and is also author of the program
- if the customer and you signed a contract of exclusivity and closed source before starting the project
But in any other case, you can do the following
- sell it to other customers
- make it GPL
- make it open-source
- etc
Of course, morally, you must simply ask him for a price corresponding to what you do. You cannot ask him to pay you royaly (high price) and make it GPL or sell it to others. But if the price is quite modest and simply pay your time, maybe you can...
It's up to you and your client, and to the relation you have...
Hello !
If RedHat "complies" with hardware, that's because they make the manufacturers pay for it,
which is only commercial and not better than Microsoft. One of the biggest reason to use Linux, contradictory with RedHat, then.
And the real compatibility is the *same* in all distributions, SuSE being even a lot better than Redhat. A friend of me has SuSE and I was surprised by the big list of supported TV cards.
But if you speak about "serious" use, as you seem to say, then the most "serious", professionnal distribution is *Debian*.
Conclusion, there is something for everyone, from begginner (Mandrake, SuSE) to professionnal use (SuSE, Debian) and experts (Debian) and this is good...
BTW to answer prescisely to your assumption I had to try Mandrake (latest version) and it was very good. It was like SuSE was 2-3 years ago "very good but not totally mature", while SuSE is now "mature" (Everything works perfectly)
NuSphere is not at all a small company. It's GIANTLY HUGE ;-))
NuSphere is owned and financied by PROGRESS
http://www.PROGRESS.com/ which is really a
giant company like Oracle...
Ok, you misunderstood me. I agree with you about today's situation. You can do an apt-get upgrade under debian and your maybe old mailserver is immediately corrected. But I am speaking about Linux/Internet in 1997, for example...
;-)
But most importantly : I am speaking about systems that didn't get SPAM, that were just reported as being open, not as being generating and providing spam.
Don't forget that the first victim or relaying SPAM is the open mailserver itself
And most importantly these lists are not based on any RFC or any standard
We too were listed on some of these lists. And this was at the beggining of what is now know "mail relaying". Before then, all mail servers were open-relays, and suddently your emails are blocked !
;-)
Therefore I'm against these lists but I would suggest another solution :
1. These list should inform you have been added
2. They should leave you 10-15 days to fix the problem before blocking you
3. They should help you. I was *very* shocked by ORBS attitude "we block you, and we don't care if you cannot correct it"
The problem 3 is quite grave : What can you do if your mail server doesn't support anti-relay ?
Or if you must buy another licence, or it it's opensource, but needs a new version of the OS, or things like that. OK, now all email servers support anti-relay. But this was not the case at this time.
And FIRST OF ALL, I would really like to have a RFC on this subject : I don't accept ORBS having decided what's permitted and what's not ! Some relaying is permitted and some not.
Example : Accept any IP address for relay except ORBS, you won't be blocked but you're an open relay
Hello !
I saw a very deep and complete journalistic inquiry today on TV about Olympics.
It seems that CIO/IOC are very near to ALL dicatorships in the World : In Africa and in Korea, but also with old est-Germany, dictator Ceaucescou (Roumania) and Samaranch president of CIO was *very* near to Franco dictator in Espagna. Ok, well, this could be one thing.
But there is more. They only paid PR and "image correctors" when the subject was about Salt Lake city corruption, or about Kim-Yung(?) that pretends he created taekuando(?) (which is wrong in fact it was invented by another Corean, now in exil in Canada !) : His daughter got money from Salt Lake city, 'his sport' was admitted to the Olympics while a really more widespread sport (Karaté) is totally ignored.
And even more, "Sion 2006" in Switzerland was from FAR the best candidature, but Turin was choosen : Even organisators from Turin were surprised to win for 2006 ! And then we saw that Samaranch, IOC president is a GREAT and OLD FRIEND with Fiat (the car fanufacturer) owner, who resides and come from... Turin ! What a coincidence !
And there was also what said a very known US sportsman that was in the CIO but left it because of corruption, dictatorship and so on.
Well, it was really interesting, but also disgusting about the CIO. And I say that even if I live in Switzerland, country of the CIO,
80 kilometers away from the CIO siege. Really I hope it will change in the following years...
:-)
most governement speak about costs. This is good because it will help Linux, but this shouldn't be the only point ! A lot of other big advantages come with open source / free software :
;-)
* stability
to avoid a crash every day
* security :
with closed source there is a lot of holes you'll never know of, and cannot correct
* future compatibility :
how to read old Word files, as it is forbidden to install an old version ?!
* openness :
A Word document cannot (or shouldn't be opened) under another OS + application than MSOffice
* and of course cost :
Linux and GNU are at the end a *lot* less expensive
But if cost drives the governement into Linux (and etc), after all the aim will be reached, even if not exactely for the best reasons
Are you sure ?
;-)
The licence being NON-exclusive, you can then
sell the solution for $15'000 !
So this is not a problem
Nono you're totally wrong, what they could do without all these problems is simply declare another DNS in their config. It's far more easy
1. What they did is TOTALLY stupid : People that really want to access these sites only have to put as nameserver not their provider DNS but ANY DNS ANYWHERE ON INTERNET !
;-)
And all comments I have read there are totally wrong (things with HTTP 1.1) you just change the DNS (resolv.conf or Panel->Network->DNS) and you're ok.
2. It's technically VERY DANGEROUS because it
could come to a name space fragmentation
3. And therefore I wonder if it's legal. Internet is owned by US governement, delegated to ICANN, and creation of toplevel domaine like
www.someaddress.new is forbidden. Chaging DNS information like this censorship is therefore maybe forbidden (we should verify) by ICANN
4. Why is it right ? It's not the same as censorship in China. To those that disagreed :
Germany is a democracy with laws. You are not allowed to deny holocaust in book, in magazines, in the streets and so on. Now, why would it be different on Internet ? Why is it bad for books and good for the net ? Why is it "dangerous" ?
You must either want both to be allowed or none, but we are in Europe and I suppose we want none to be allowed.
Even worse, do you think that killing childrens and putting photographies or MOVIES of that on the Internet is acceptable ?!?!??! Just learn that it's legal (or not prosecuted) in a lot of countries, do you still believe it shouldn't be censored ???
Ok, feel free to comment
Sorry to say that, but IMHO all X11/Linux WM are crap ! KDE and others are based on Windows, Bill Gates was even able to lobotomize imagination of Linux developpers, and other window managers are often either old, either they don't support basic services like drag&drop. Most of them are using virtual screens instead of better and more creative ideas... Well I'm quite dispointed. Even worse, the small standard utilities of KDE are so POOR : kpaint (sorry for the authors) only reminds me of MSPaint, so WHY THE HELL didn't you do something ELSE, better or worse,
:-(
;-))
but DIFFERENT THAN Windows ?
For now, I'm using Windows and KDE, but I really dislike them both. In 1993 the AmigaOS was really
great to use, logical, PREDICTABLE, and different.
A simple examples, as someone said, the menus
where always at the same place (like on the Mac)
for all programs. And this "Windows Menu", copied
in KDE (why???) is totally unusable, you never know where to click, and you always miss what
you wanted to click on
Well, I'm looking forward for something worthy to
Linux and the Unix communauty
There is no such *legal* limitation, at least not in Europe, and in Europe modems are not faster !
> The radio signals sent out by the towers just > aren't that strong.
;-))
They ARE ! A GSM antenna has got a 15km range,
while you're a 9-10km from ground in the airplane.
The real issue is that antennas are directed
horizontally, not vertically
> Heck, you can barely go through an office
> building using a cell phone. You CAN'T go
> through a tunnel.
Strange, it depends on countries... In
Switzerland, where GSM is working, you can
even sometimes have a phone conversation on
second level/floor under ground, f.e. in
a public parking !!!