I'm not saying any scammer can get his hands on it, but you certainly do not have to be a large , or public, company.. it requires relatively simple background checks, someone in the US with a clean tax record to sign up, and a couple grand as a security deposit.
I can assure you I'm not mistaken about this. I am not talking about the same system you use to make bill payments; I'm talking about a nationwide electronic funds transfer system, that allows direct withdrawl from accounts using only an account number & name.
I can assure you many, many small, private companies have access to this system.
Things don't work the way you think they do.
You are correct that they don't have access to your balance details.. but they DO have access to attempt to withdraw funds via EFT from your account. It's like processing a cheque, but electronic.
Joe average can't do this in five minutes, but with a few thousand dollars and some easy setup time, it's not hard to do.
Internet & Telephone are run by government monopolies.
RACSA is the internet provider, ICE is the telco.
Dialup is available basically everywhere in the country. There are two types of accounts: Unlimited use ($20 a month about) - these are tied to your phone number at your house. You can't use them on the road. Metered - (I forget.. it's relatively cheap) - you can use these from anywhere, but you pay for that usage.
It should be noted that there is a fee for local phone calls, though it is quite low. You would not want to stay online 24/7, it would cost you hundreds of dollars a month. I am unsure if telephone tarrifs apply to calls to the ISP; they may not.
There is 1-way cable (where you still need dialup to connect). It works fairly well, runs you about $20/month for 64Kbps. There is 2-way cable in select areas in & Near San Jose. It is rate limited (128/32, 64/32, etc). 128/32 runs oyu $50 a month. 256/120 costs you a couple hundred a month, I believe. That may sound slow.. but the upside is you actually get what they say you get. If you paid for 128/32, you basically always get that speed.. no overselling here.
Cable uses NAT, and not even good NAT.. standard PPTP and whatnot don't work over it.
DSL is in the works, but not available yet.
All in all, the dialup is actually pretty good, and the coverage is good. Despite how it sounds, it's not expensive.
Cable kind of sucks.. the only benefit really is that it's always on.
You CAN clear out someone's account, just from their account number and sort code.
If you have access to the US electronic banking system (not hard to do, there is paperwork & security checks, but it's not that hard, many small businesses do it), you can drain someone's account with just their account number. yes. really.
Yes, obviously you can go to jail if ytou do this without permission.. but they ask questions after the fact.
It takes 48 hours for funds to clear. If someone doesn't notice, in time, that the funds were wired away, they could quickly be wired somewhere else.
using LVM is not as bad as you might think.. but it seems kind of silly. You would be better off using raid5, even if software.
With LVM, I believe you only lose the data off that particular drive if a drive fails.. it's not like striping or mirroring where you actually lose the entire filesystem. LVM is a bunch of filesystems put together by the operating system to look like one.
First.. you have no idea how I may or may not use disk space. When you have such space, you find ways to use it.
IDE drives? Yet more bullshit about "IDE drives sucks". Guess what genius, IDE is just an interface.. it says nothign about the durability of the hardware. Yes, it's true that most manufacturers make scsi drives with better parts, simply due to the target market, but not all.
considering the GPL allows you to link to closed-source things that are "a standard part of the target platform"... ie: Sun libc, or whatnot....
one could argue, quite easily, that even though the closed application is linked against GPL libraries, that those olibraries are a standard part of, say, RedHat Linux, and therefore, you don't have to abide by the GPL to link against them. And you would be right.
First, yes, you are correct that it is no longer a secret if patented.. it's available to anyone to read up on.
They are NOT required to license it to anyone, or to allow anyone to use it for any reason; they have a patent on it, that means they can literally dictate how and when their patented method is used. They are under no obligation to allow anyone to use it.
Secondly, they may not be trying to bilk people out of their money, and could be only covering their own asses.. but what happens a couple years form now when someone, say, buys the assetts of the future bankrupt google company? Nothing prevents them from using the patent differently.
I'm not calling google a snake, just pointing out inaccuracies.
Oh please. ICANN.. bah. AT least, insofar as they are responsible for dns.
Yes, icann hasn't really done anything useful.. but DNS still does what it needs to do. I'm not taling about "the world wide web". I'm talking about the internet.
The biggest problems the internet is facing are creeping ones: lack of address space/increased use of NAT and FILTERING by isps, even if they are initially for noble reasons.
We need to get back to basic IP routing... and we need address space. IP addresses should NOT be a commodity.
IT all depends on who needs who. Major backbones in the US can say "We don't need you, little ISP, you need us, because you need us to carry your traffic, or your service will suck.".
If all the litte isps got together, things would be different.. as the big isp has no value if all it's customers leave.
It is a dynamic thing, to be sure.
If we are going to say "Internet is important" and regulate, then the actual level of service should be regulated, not the peering (in other words, don't go half way). Force ISPs to provide real, unflitered IP routing, and not block traffic in any way (or at least, have an easy way for a subscriber to turn blocking off.) Force them all to provide ipv6 space as well. Let's get rid of nat.
ETc. etc. etc.
Want rules that will make the net better and cooler? those are them.
1) Cookies are not so evil. "Placing data on your hard disk" is the inflammatory way to say things. It's a cookie. Big dfal.
2) Of COURSE THEY RECORD EVERYTHING. So should every website out there. The information is there for the recording. Good for them. This is the information age. It's not like they are stealing information from you when you use their site and click on stuff.
3) So what? They retain publicly available data. Do you automatically forget things? Do you delete any saved web pages on your computer after a certain period of time? No... so why should google?
4) Why do they neeed this information? Because information is money, stupid. Why should they have a privacy policy? They aren't asking you for any private information.
5) So? Do you think the spooks don't have this shit already?
6) The google toolbar very VERY clearly explains what it does if you turn on the advanced features.
7) Whether it's illegal or not is up for interpretation. Certainly it could be. The law aside.. you put up publicly available information, it shoudl be no surprise if someone saves a copy or two.
8) Google is cool, as far as search engines go. People use it because it gets them the results they want in the manner they like.
9) Yeah, could be. Then again, people are stupid if they think that all those clicks and surfing isnt'recorded and analyzed six ways from sunday.
At least, complete enough. Heck, the Internet as it stands does not use the complete IPv4 specification.
The important part is htis: There are many operating systems out there (and routers) that can talk ipv6 just fine, natively, and all communicate together, with no problems.
When you say "all the tools"... none of the tools you mentioned are part of ipv6.. they are just that, tools. Not a single one of them is required for ipv6 functionality.
Yes, we need more apps in ipv6.. but they won't come until more people get on ipv6. Hence the reason for asking for isps that support it natively.
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And again, you seem to not understand what Oracle is doing with it's new linux clustering solutions.
Using gigE and good intel hardware, (quad xeon boxes with 4 gigabit cards each, gigs of ram each, etc), Oracle scales amazingly. This is not "Cheap database solutions for intel hardware". This is Oracle pushing top of the line solutions on intel clusters, in a BIG way. It's neither cheap nor useless.
Yes, it's cheaper than a huge sun box, but it's not THAT much cheaper.. maybe half the price.
There is a big differenc between your little load balanced web farm and a well built oracle cluster.
Thank you very much. To put it another way To claim theft of service implies a service is being offered. It would be illegal for them ot offer such a service. Hence, no theft.
I mean, the metrics a network uses to determine the best route are not at
all necessarily what is fastest, or what is closest..... it can be completely arbitrary.
Lowest latency, least used, least hops, least dollar cost, etc. Some networks try to offload traffic to other networks as fast as possible. Others try to get data as close to the destination as possible before offloading it. In both cases, everything would work fine, if only everyone played by the same rules.
And again, I wasn't saying it was a bad deal, only that people shouldn't be looking at it as a good deal simply because of the amount of space; you can spend the same money OR LESS and get the same thing they have on your own, and have been able to for quite some time.
Obviously what I said was not redundant everything, but it also cost 1/3 as much.
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tcp/ip isn't even relevant. This is about data transfer..
if you could transfer that data over a link that was joining two geographic locations (ie: non local), then sure, you could claim to have beaten it.
As it is, you can't run GigE 10,000 km.
The internet itself is a bunch of private networks all hooked together. Internet2 is no different.
Yeah, okay, you can't go out and buy dialup on it.. but that's not what The Internet was started as either.
I'm not saying any scammer can get his hands on it, but you certainly do not have to be a large , or public, company.. it requires relatively simple background checks, someone in the US with a clean tax record to sign up, and a couple grand as a security deposit.
I can assure you I'm not mistaken about this. I am not talking about the same system you use to make bill payments; I'm talking about a nationwide electronic funds transfer system, that allows direct withdrawl from accounts using only an account number & name.
I can assure you many, many small, private companies have access to this system.
Things don't work the way you think they do.
You are correct that they don't have access to your balance details.. but they DO have access to attempt to withdraw funds via EFT from your account. It's like processing a cheque, but electronic.
Joe average can't do this in five minutes, but with a few thousand dollars and some easy setup time, it's not hard to do.
Where I live....
Internet & Telephone are run by government monopolies.
RACSA is the internet provider, ICE is the telco.
Dialup is available basically everywhere in the country. There are two types of accounts:
Unlimited use ($20 a month about) - these are tied to your phone number at your house. You can't use them on the road.
Metered - (I forget.. it's relatively cheap) - you can use these from anywhere, but you pay for that usage.
It should be noted that there is a fee for local phone calls, though it is quite low. You would not want to stay online 24/7, it would cost you hundreds of dollars a month.
I am unsure if telephone tarrifs apply to calls to the ISP; they may not.
There is 1-way cable (where you still need dialup to connect). It works fairly well, runs you about $20/month for 64Kbps.
There is 2-way cable in select areas in & Near San Jose. It is rate limited (128/32, 64/32, etc). 128/32 runs oyu $50 a month. 256/120 costs you a couple hundred a month, I believe.
That may sound slow.. but the upside is you actually get what they say you get. If you paid for 128/32, you basically always get that speed.. no overselling here.
Cable uses NAT, and not even good NAT.. standard PPTP and whatnot don't work over it.
DSL is in the works, but not available yet.
All in all, the dialup is actually pretty good, and the coverage is good. Despite how it sounds, it's not expensive.
Cable kind of sucks.. the only benefit really is that it's always on.
Are you travelling to every country on earth, or do you have a destination in mind?
This stuff varies wildly from country to country, city to city.. there is no point in elaborating on the whole world.
You CAN clear out someone's account, just from their account number and sort code.
If you have access to the US electronic banking system (not hard to do, there is paperwork & security checks, but it's not that hard, many small businesses do it), you can drain someone's account with just their account number. yes. really.
Yes, obviously you can go to jail if ytou do this without permission.. but they ask questions after the fact.
It takes 48 hours for funds to clear. If someone doesn't notice, in time, that the funds were wired away, they could quickly be wired somewhere else.
This isn't an argument about which is faster, or which is superior...
only about whether or not ide drives are unreliable.
using LVM is not as bad as you might think.. but it seems kind of silly.
You would be better off using raid5, even if software.
With LVM, I believe you only lose the data off that particular drive if a drive fails.. it's not like striping or mirroring where you actually lose the entire filesystem. LVM is a bunch of filesystems put together by the operating system to look like one.
A couple of raid5 groups would make way more sense space-wise than raid10.
17 drives?
2 x 8 drive raid5 arrays, plus a floating hot spare.
that gives you 14 drives worth of space with decent redundancy.
Seriously...
First.. you have no idea how I may or may not use disk space. When you have such space, you find ways to use it.
IDE drives? Yet more bullshit about "IDE drives sucks". Guess what genius, IDE is just an interface.. it says nothign about the durability of the hardware. Yes, it's true that most manufacturers make scsi drives with better parts, simply due to the target market, but not all.
And what do you think raid is for.
Nice troll though.
considering the GPL allows you to link to closed-source things that are "a standard part of the target platform"... ie: Sun libc, or whatnot....
one could argue, quite easily, that even though the closed application is linked against GPL libraries, that those olibraries are a standard part of, say, RedHat Linux, and therefore, you don't have to abide by the GPL to link against them.
And you would be right.
First, yes, you are correct that it is no longer a secret if patented.. it's available to anyone to read up on.
They are NOT required to license it to anyone, or to allow anyone to use it for any reason; they have a patent on it, that means they can literally dictate how and when their patented method is used. They are under no obligation to allow anyone to use it.
Secondly, they may not be trying to bilk people out of their money, and could be only covering their own asses.. but what happens a couple years form now when someone, say, buys the assetts of the future bankrupt google company? Nothing prevents them from using the patent differently.
I'm not calling google a snake, just pointing out inaccuracies.
Umm.. but BGP has nothign to do with who pays who.. it's just the mechanism by which routing decisions can be made.
Here, we are talking about a large, huge, national ISP that charges EVERYONE for traffic....
This is about forcing a peering relationship betwen a large isp and smaller ones.... not about routing protocols.
Oh please. ICANN.. bah. AT least, insofar as they are responsible for dns.
Yes, icann hasn't really done anything useful.. but DNS still does what it needs to do. I'm not taling about "the world wide web". I'm talking about the internet.
The biggest problems the internet is facing are creeping ones: lack of address space/increased use of NAT and FILTERING by isps, even if they are initially for noble reasons.
We need to get back to basic IP routing... and we need address space. IP addresses should NOT be a commodity.
So what?
IT all depends on who needs who.
Major backbones in the US can say "We don't need you, little ISP, you need us, because you need us to carry your traffic, or your service will suck.".
If all the litte isps got together, things would be different.. as the big isp has no value if all it's customers leave.
It is a dynamic thing, to be sure.
If we are going to say "Internet is important" and regulate, then the actual level of service should be regulated, not the peering (in other words, don't go half way). Force ISPs to provide real, unflitered IP routing, and not block traffic in any way (or at least, have an easy way for a subscriber to turn blocking off.) Force them all to provide ipv6 space as well. Let's get rid of nat.
ETc. etc. etc.
Want rules that will make the net better and cooler? those are them.
it says he is "close" to releasing a bill that "might" require labeling.
it's just a totally, completely different product than VPC and VMWare, and people shouldn't be comparing them at all.
1) Cookies are not so evil. "Placing data on your hard disk" is the inflammatory way to say things. It's a cookie. Big dfal.
2) Of COURSE THEY RECORD EVERYTHING. So should every website out there. The information is there for the recording. Good for them. This is the information age. It's not like they are stealing information from you when you use their site and click on stuff.
3) So what? They retain publicly available data. Do you automatically forget things? Do you delete any saved web pages on your computer after a certain period of time?
No... so why should google?
4) Why do they neeed this information? Because information is money, stupid. Why should they have a privacy policy? They aren't asking you for any private information.
5) So? Do you think the spooks don't have this shit already?
6) The google toolbar very VERY clearly explains what it does if you turn on the advanced features.
7) Whether it's illegal or not is up for interpretation. Certainly it could be. The law aside.. you put up publicly available information, it shoudl be no surprise if someone saves a copy or two.
8) Google is cool, as far as search engines go. People use it because it gets them the results they want in the manner they like.
9) Yeah, could be. Then again, people are stupid if they think that all those clicks and surfing isnt'recorded and analyzed six ways from sunday.
than any other operating system we generally talk about? Including linux, etc?
You can boot from something else, and mount the disk, and even USE the stuff if the system you booted is compatable.
OHH WOW you mean someone can read my files? Shocker.
Why is this news? I mean, I know slashdot has a lot of news that sucks.. but this is over the top.. where's the beef?
At least, complete enough. Heck, the Internet as it stands does not use the complete IPv4 specification.
The important part is htis: There are many operating systems out there (and routers) that can talk ipv6 just fine, natively, and all communicate together, with no problems.
When you say "all the tools"... none of the tools you mentioned are part of ipv6.. they are just that, tools. Not a single one of them is required for ipv6 functionality.
Yes, we need more apps in ipv6.. but they won't come until more people get on ipv6. Hence the reason for asking for isps that support it natively.
And again, you seem to not understand what Oracle is doing with it's new linux clustering solutions.
Using gigE and good intel hardware, (quad xeon boxes with 4 gigabit cards each, gigs of ram each, etc), Oracle scales amazingly. This is not "Cheap database solutions for intel hardware". This is Oracle pushing top of the line solutions on intel clusters, in a BIG way. It's neither cheap nor useless.
Yes, it's cheaper than a huge sun box, but it's not THAT much cheaper.. maybe half the price.
There is a big differenc between your little load balanced web farm and a well built oracle cluster.
Thank you very much.
To put it another way
To claim theft of service implies a service is being offered. It would be illegal for them ot offer such a service. Hence, no theft.
I mean, the metrics a network uses to determine the best route are not at
all necessarily what is fastest, or what is closest..... it can be completely arbitrary.
Lowest latency, least used, least hops, least dollar cost, etc.
Some networks try to offload traffic to other networks as fast as possible. Others try to get data as close to the destination as possible before offloading it. In both cases, everything would work fine, if only everyone played by the same rules.
User mode linux is a linux kernel that runs in userspace
plex86 is an x86 virtualizer that lest you create multiple virtual x86 machines to run whatever you want on them.
And again, I wasn't saying it was a bad deal, only that people shouldn't be looking at it as a good deal simply because of the amount of space; you can spend the same money OR LESS and get the same thing they have on your own, and have been able to for quite some time.
Obviously what I said was not redundant everything, but it also cost 1/3 as much.