Linux client: Still propietary, something many *nix users actually care about. Follows symlinks: So does almost any application out there. That's not a good thing, it's just a lack of a bug. Automatic full resolution photo uploading from mobile: "full resolution photo" is another way of saying "large files". How does the content of a file make a difference?
Spideroak refuses to release the source for their client (though they claim they will, some day). As it is, it's just an unproven claim that it's encrypted and secure. For all we know there might be a huge security hole making it all worthless (possible an accidental one, btw).
"+" or plenty of other special characters. Stuff like quotes can even be valid if used properly, while we still have some website that won't even accept a dash/underscore.
Putting aside the whole whitespace debate(*), I'm pretty sure that python has its own list of issues. Maybe not to the same extent as PHP, but they exist.
* For which I personally do have trouble with python - I want the computer to bend to my will, not the other way around.
The same can be said about C: if forces you to declare variables, and bend to the computers will (and not the other way around). This is true for any language. You merely chose to critize one about that, and let it slide for the rest.
Actually, you're right...up to the point where the police might get involved. Also, the power that flight attendants and gate agents have (which is backed by the FAA, whereby refusal to comply with their orders is a felony...I kid you not) also crosses the line between private entity/government. Since Kimberly *cough* fucking cunt *cough* had that power backing her up, I would say this does indeed become a First Amendment situation.
It might be a felony to refuse to comply on a plane, but, outside of the plane, and forcing you to alter content on you publish? That's not gonna stand up anywhere. What's next: the flight attendant forcing you to give them a BJ?
and threatened to have him arrested? you think that's fully legal?
I honestly don't get why the man gave into the threat. He could have just said "Ok, call the police.". There was really no reason to arrest him. If you're not doing anything ilegal, and somebody threatens to call the police, just let them do it.
No, you don't need to explain why it's pejorative; what I asked is for you to explain why it's laughable, something competely different. I quote by-piece, because you make different statements, and I reply to each one individually. Replying inline has been proper etiquette for several decades now. Finally, no, none of my statements were replied above. But since this is your second reply attempting to divert attention from the subject at hand, I'm guessing your merely using a Red Hering to disguise your lack of proper argument.
I honestly don't think they have any duty to give back any more than they're doing now.
Nor do I. They have no obligations. Nobody implied that. We just said not doing so made them freeloaders.
Do you donate 100$ everytime you install linux on a computer? Cause that's what it would have cost you otherwise.
I do not. I do collaborate by open sourcing most of me development, and contribute into various proyecto thourgh various means. Also, I'm not saving $100 by using linux in my computer because I have not migrated from something propietary.
I know for sure that almost no one does.
Relevancy?
It's nice if they decide to give back but they have no responsability to do so. The whole concept of "freeloaders" is laughable to be honest. I thought one of the primary visions behind FLOSS was that information should be free? I guess if you view open source as merely a means to an end, you might think such a thing as a freeloader could exist, but I completely disagree with that vision.
No, they have no responsability to give anything back. Nor I, nor GP stated that this was the case.
Can you please describe why the concept is laughable?
I fail to see the correlation between dropping XMPP support and standalone clients being more efficient. There's plenty of standalone clients for XMPP, and there have been for many years.
It takes N hours to develop and test a solution on platform X.
Not if you rely on cross-platform components and libraries. I develop and test on linux, but all my servers are BSD. I've never had any issues due to them being different platforms. Just make sure you don't use anything OS-specific and you'll be fine.
Anyway, you've got to love the message from Google: Use social networks, you're giving a third party the ability to kill your online presence and the identity that you use for communicating with your friends on a whim!
It's not the first time they send out this message. Didn't you hear about them dropping gtalk, and with it, XMPP support?
Not really. People that seldom use Office won't really have adapted in that period of time, because it's the only app out there that uses it. For example, I've deal with ribbon once or twice during this time, but use menubars on a daily basis.
The problem is that, while ribbon is more intuitive, it has no room for advanced and experienced users to get faster. They'll use the UI at the same speed after years, because there that's all there is to it. Menubars have greater learning curve, but have more room to keep on learning and becoming more efficient.
By "full", I mean that it can do DNS. Windows not supporting RDNSS doesn't mean that you have to set the server manually; you can set it automatically.
Yes, full. Only on limited scenarios (not the most common ones, BTW).
I'm not really a fan of RDNSS; it puts host config into RAs with no clear guidelines as to which config options ought to be in them. (Why do we only put DNS info in there, and not all the other things you can configure?)
These are all the usual network settings. Sure, there's edge cases, but the idea is to cover the basics.
But I'm not arguing that MS shouldn't support it, I'm just pointing out that Windows isn't so incapable that it has no way of setting DNS servers automatically.
(As an aside, Windows will also configure a default set of DNS servers if you have no other v6 servers configured, so if you're doing a v6-only network and you really don't want to run stateless DHCPv6 for some reason and the only thing you wanted to set was the DNS servers, you could just add fec0:0:0:ffff::{1,2,3} to your DNS server and Windows would work fine.)
That's a microsoft-only made-up standard. Not only that, but using that address space was deprecated in 2004, so implementeing is actually incompliant.
Contact syncing? (eg: CardDav). That's been on their plate for years, and it's a pretty important feature nowadays that we have stuff like smartphone which we want to keep in sync.
There's a few other critical features/issues still open which never got the attention they deserved.
The linux proyect does not distribute any GNU code. Third parties create "GNU/Linux" distrinutions, and some of them mention GNU intheir name (eg: Debian GNU/Linux).
[...] because RAs are broadcasts sent by routers (plural, potentially) to announce network layout.
So? dns is a common part of modern network infrastructure. It's also possible you want to have devices use a dns according to which router they use (potentially, because the dns server may be on the other side of the router). Again, if they think dns in RA is bad design, it's still a common standard, it's not up to them to say "screw you" to those users.
That doesn't match up with the requirements for host config parameters, where you need a single authoritative source and you need the ability to receive machine IDs from clients so you can give out per-machine config settings.
A requirement that you just made up? A network can function properly with different hosts using different dns servers, there's no requirement to use the same. Sure, RA doesn't have support for "per-machine config settings", but this is only something corporate environments need (and they can use dhcpv6). That just justifies the usage of dhcpv6 in those scenarios. It doesn't justify discarting RA completely for every user.
(Of course we haven't really stuck with that logic, since people argued that they didn't want to run dhcpv6 just for dns, so dns info was added to RAs. Then other people argued they didn't want to run dhcpv6 just for dns search domains, so that was added too. Where does it stop, I wonder...)
dns search domain are part of the network layout (just higher layer that IP/gateway). It makes perfect sense to include it into a single protocol that advertises network layout.
Again, none of these arguments justify not supporting RA. And saying that windows "fully supports IPv6" is mistaken, it only supports a certain network configuration. Not the most popular one by the way.
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Linux client: Still propietary, something many *nix users actually care about.
Follows symlinks: So does almost any application out there. That's not a good thing, it's just a lack of a bug.
Automatic full resolution photo uploading from mobile: "full resolution photo" is another way of saying "large files". How does the content of a file make a difference?
Spideroak refuses to release the source for their client (though they claim they will, some day). As it is, it's just an unproven claim that it's encrypted and secure. For all we know there might be a huge security hole making it all worthless (possible an accidental one, btw).
If the graphics subsystem fails, or I have to go to single-user mode, I have nano.
WordStar rules!
If you had access to that machine and got a chance to manually install it before the graphics subsystem failed. What happes if you didn't?
Which are the other two new companies?
"+" or plenty of other special characters. Stuff like quotes can even be valid if used properly, while we still have some website that won't even accept a dash/underscore.
Putting aside the whole whitespace debate(*), I'm pretty sure that python has its own list of issues. Maybe not to the same extent as PHP, but they exist.
* For which I personally do have trouble with python - I want the computer to bend to my will, not the other way around.
The same can be said about C: if forces you to declare variables, and bend to the computers will (and not the other way around). This is true for any language. You merely chose to critize one about that, and let it slide for the rest.
Actually, you're right...up to the point where the police might get involved. Also, the power that flight attendants and gate agents have (which is backed by the FAA, whereby refusal to comply with their orders is a felony...I kid you not) also crosses the line between private entity/government. Since Kimberly *cough* fucking cunt *cough* had that power backing her up, I would say this does indeed become a First Amendment situation.
It might be a felony to refuse to comply on a plane, but, outside of the plane, and forcing you to alter content on you publish? That's not gonna stand up anywhere. What's next: the flight attendant forcing you to give them a BJ?
and threatened to have him arrested? you think that's fully legal?
I honestly don't get why the man gave into the threat. He could have just said "Ok, call the police.". There was really no reason to arrest him.
If you're not doing anything ilegal, and somebody threatens to call the police, just let them do it.
No, you don't need to explain why it's pejorative; what I asked is for you to explain why it's laughable, something competely different.
I quote by-piece, because you make different statements, and I reply to each one individually. Replying inline has been proper etiquette for several decades now.
Finally, no, none of my statements were replied above. But since this is your second reply attempting to divert attention from the subject at hand, I'm guessing your merely using a Red Hering to disguise your lack of proper argument.
I honestly don't think they have any duty to give back any more than they're doing now.
Nor do I. They have no obligations. Nobody implied that. We just said not doing so made them freeloaders.
Do you donate 100$ everytime you install linux on a computer? Cause that's what it would have cost you otherwise.
I do not. I do collaborate by open sourcing most of me development, and contribute into various proyecto thourgh various means. Also, I'm not saving $100 by using linux in my computer because I have not migrated from something propietary.
I know for sure that almost no one does.
Relevancy?
It's nice if they decide to give back but they have no responsability to do so. The whole concept of "freeloaders" is laughable to be honest. I thought one of the primary visions behind FLOSS was that information should be free? I guess if you view open source as merely a means to an end, you might think such a thing as a freeloader could exist, but I completely disagree with that vision.
No, they have no responsability to give anything back. Nor I, nor GP stated that this was the case.
Can you please describe why the concept is laughable?
Making it available doesn't mean they're giving back any of those 36M though. It's pretty cheap to make it available once comparted to creating it.
The real question is: how mucho of those 36M will be reinvested into FLOSS development.
Just be thankful that today's headline doesn't have typos in it!
I fail to see the correlation between dropping XMPP support and standalone clients being more efficient. There's plenty of standalone clients for XMPP, and there have been for many years.
It takes N hours to develop and test a solution on platform X.
Not if you rely on cross-platform components and libraries. I develop and test on linux, but all my servers are BSD. I've never had any issues due to them being different platforms. Just make sure you don't use anything OS-specific and you'll be fine.
Anyway, you've got to love the message from Google: Use social networks, you're giving a third party the ability to kill your online presence and the identity that you use for communicating with your friends on a whim!
It's not the first time they send out this message. Didn't you hear about them dropping gtalk, and with it, XMPP support?
Also, we refuse to install on anything but Linux.
I understand why you would no work with windows, but why be so extreme as Linux-only?
Not really. People that seldom use Office won't really have adapted in that period of time, because it's the only app out there that uses it.
For example, I've deal with ribbon once or twice during this time, but use menubars on a daily basis.
The problem is that, while ribbon is more intuitive, it has no room for advanced and experienced users to get faster. They'll use the UI at the same speed after years, because there that's all there is to it. Menubars have greater learning curve, but have more room to keep on learning and becoming more efficient.
Office with no ribbon?
https://www.libreoffice.org/
By "full", I mean that it can do DNS. Windows not supporting RDNSS doesn't mean that you have to set the server manually; you can set it automatically.
Yes, full. Only on limited scenarios (not the most common ones, BTW).
I'm not really a fan of RDNSS; it puts host config into RAs with no clear guidelines as to which config options ought to be in them. (Why do we only put DNS info in there, and not all the other things you can configure?)
These are all the usual network settings. Sure, there's edge cases, but the idea is to cover the basics.
But I'm not arguing that MS shouldn't support it, I'm just pointing out that Windows isn't so incapable that it has no way of setting DNS servers automatically.
(As an aside, Windows will also configure a default set of DNS servers if you have no other v6 servers configured, so if you're doing a v6-only network and you really don't want to run stateless DHCPv6 for some reason and the only thing you wanted to set was the DNS servers, you could just add fec0:0:0:ffff::{1,2,3} to your DNS server and Windows would work fine.)
That's a microsoft-only made-up standard. Not only that, but using that address space was deprecated in 2004, so implementeing is actually incompliant.
It's based on a browser. I'm guessing their content source will be what we call "The Internet". Millons of videos ready to watch.
Uhm... 64bit firefox has been around for over half a decade. Wake up, dude!
Contact syncing? (eg: CardDav). That's been on their plate for years, and it's a pretty important feature nowadays that we have stuff like smartphone which we want to keep in sync.
There's a few other critical features/issues still open which never got the attention they deserved.
The linux proyect does not distribute any GNU code. Third parties create "GNU/Linux" distrinutions, and some of them mention GNU intheir name (eg: Debian GNU/Linux).
[...] because RAs are broadcasts sent by routers (plural, potentially) to announce network layout.
So? dns is a common part of modern network infrastructure. It's also possible you want to have devices use a dns according to which router they use (potentially, because the dns server may be on the other side of the router). Again, if they think dns in RA is bad design, it's still a common standard, it's not up to them to say "screw you" to those users.
That doesn't match up with the requirements for host config parameters, where you need a single authoritative source and you need the ability to receive machine IDs from clients so you can give out per-machine config settings.
A requirement that you just made up? A network can function properly with different hosts using different dns servers, there's no requirement to use the same.
Sure, RA doesn't have support for "per-machine config settings", but this is only something corporate environments need (and they can use dhcpv6). That just justifies the usage of dhcpv6 in those scenarios. It doesn't justify discarting RA completely for every user.
(Of course we haven't really stuck with that logic, since people argued that they didn't want to run dhcpv6 just for dns, so dns info was added to RAs. Then other people argued they didn't want to run dhcpv6 just for dns search domains, so that was added too. Where does it stop, I wonder...)
dns search domain are part of the network layout (just higher layer that IP/gateway). It makes perfect sense to include it into a single protocol that advertises network layout.
Again, none of these arguments justify not supporting RA. And saying that windows "fully supports IPv6" is mistaken, it only supports a certain network configuration. Not the most popular one by the way.