It's back from January when Clinton was still a strong contender. It's from after Obama won the Nevada delegates despite Clinton winning the popular vote. Reading the document shows how Obama pulled that off.
"Justice" back then did not mean Marxist social justice as the Democrats see it today.
"General welfare" didn't mean redistribution of wealth to individuals. It is the umbrella that allowed the building of roads, railroads and other public facilities that promote the general welfare. It, along with the Takings clause (taking your house so some developer friend of the mayor can make money), has been stretched past its limit today.
ACORN employees went to jail for sitting down at a desk and fraudulently filling in thousands of registration forms all by themselves. ACORN's method of payment to its employees encourages this sort of behavior.
People have voted based on fraud, and it crams the election system, and decreases confidence in our system.
But in the end it breaks the law, so I'd like to see a lot of people in jail, from those who commit the fraud to their enablers. I'd consider this three strikes for ACORN, three elections in a row with committed fraud, so dissolve the organization.
Providing equality of opportunity is what the government is there for.
I guess you didn't have to learn the Preamble to the Constitution in school. Don't worry, I've found most liberals have no idea about why our country was founded.
Depends on what kind of dangerous you're talking about. I'm not thinking any kind of violence.
so you are saying that because someone was getting paid per registration, and this person filled out a couple of cards fraudulently, that acorn is now a dangerous and criminal organisation
Couple? There are thousands. There were several thousand in just one instance where ACORN employees went to jail.
Let's see... an organization repeatedly violates federal laws and despite assurances leaves in place the exact system that promotes the law breaking (pay per registration) and miserably polices itself. I'd say RICO applies so, yes, criminal.
Or do you enforce the law by challenging every single voter in heavily Democratic areas?
Enforcement is good. Selective enforcement is of course wrong.
If you are going to make an allegation like that it's helpful to have a citation or two.
The many allegations were officially made by the campaign of Hillary Clinton, and they are far worse than any allegations I have seen against Republicans.
Registration fraud != voter fraud
Did I say voter fraud? No, I don't believe I did. I guess this kind of fraud is okay with you though, as long as it serves your purposes.
The allegations are true. ACORN employees have been sent to jail for this in the past. Investigations are currently ongoing in several states.
As far as damage, yes, people have voted based on the fraudulent registrations. They also clog the system, increasing the probably of error and delay for real registrations.
One reason I like it is that there are no loopholes. None, period. Mr. Rich pays $50,000 in tax on his new Bentley, and there is no way to get around it. Meanwhile, we pay maybe $4,000 in tax for the new Toyota. The rebate we get (that rebates the tax at the poverty rate, the poor pay no taxes) is the same for everyone, so it helps pay for a much higher percentage of our Toyota tax than it did for his Bentley tax.
The system would put a lot of tax accountants out of work though.
You would not believe the fighting, in court and physical, that has happened over water and mineral rights in the old self-sufficient US.
You can't drill that well unless you bought rights to the water, or otherwise some common agreement or overriding law exists. The guy next door might have bought all the rights for all the land surrounding his so he can irrigate his crops. Or if you use too much you'll have a fight with your neighbors who don't like you draining that common underground aquifer.
As far as the coal you're screwed if you didn't buy mineral rights. They can come on your land and start pulling it out of the ground. They'll have to pay you a reasonable easement to be there, but you don't get a penny specifically from the coal.
Ever tried giving to charity? Then you can target the specific individuals, groups or unfortunate circumstances you want to positively affect, eliminating the expansive government overhead and waste inherent in such programs. There are even charity ratings sites that tell you how efficiently any charity gets your money to those who need it.
You can give your money away much more intelligently than the government can.
It's also interesting that I can tell your political leanings from the articles you cite. It's all about "voter suppression," most instances of which are better known as enforcing the law and trying to prevent fraud.
Nothing about Obama's extensive voter suppression during the primaries to steal the nomination from Clinton. Not enforcing the law types, but dirty tricks to single-out Clinton supporters and keep them from voting. Nothing about ACORN committing massive registration fraud either.
Unless he incorporates, which he may not want to do for various reasons, his business income is his income.
Besides, I just heard, the threshold has gone down to $200K. Wait, Biden just said it went down again to $150K. I'm betting it goes down further. Those people making $150K and cheering because the "rich" were going to get ripped off to their advantage probably aren't all that happy now that they're considered "rich" and ripe for the picking.
What, you trusted the most liberal Senator in Congress, a supporter of socialist methods by his own words, not to raise everybody's taxes?
Graphics don't really matter for it. You have grandmas using it in nursing homes and I caught my four year-old doing yoga on it. It's just awesome.
I know it's not really a "game," more exercise guide plus a bunch of mini-games, but it goes to an odd selling point of the Wii. The other consoles break out of the console mold by being DVD players and media streamers, Wii does it with strange non-traditional games and activities that are oddly catching on. Still, I'll be getting GTA 5 for the PS3, not the Wii.
On the other hand, the government does tend to have alternate-universe definitions of things. Like down here "shall not be infringed" and "public use" have taken on whole new meanings in the government lexicon.
It's about running a business instead of being an employee, taking on all the uncertainties, responsibility and risk, and then getting penalized for doing so.
First, why should he have to do creative accounting? Why not just not tax him so much in the first place? This system might as well be called the "accountant's welfare scheme."
In any case, it doesn't matter. Joe has struck a chord, put a regular-guy face on the "evil rich" that Obama wants to punish in his little class-warfare game. If he hadn't, Obama and Biden wouldn't be trying to hard to dismiss him, his minions wouldn't be doing illegal record searches on him, they wouldn't be smearing him as they've been trying. They're even digging up things like he doesn't have a plumber's license so he's "not a real plumber" (license not required if you work for someone who has one).
There isn't really any benefit to giving even more money to those that are rich.
Translation: Thre isn't really any benefit to taking less money from those that are rich. The mugger doesn't give you money by only taking half of what's in your wallet instead of all of it.
It's like when you hear a politician say a tax cut will "cost the government money." Uh, no, it will cost the taxpayers less money. Back to the mugger, we apparently cost him money when we protect ourselves from him.
I would rather cut government spending
We agree here, comparisons to drunken sailors' spending habits is not fair to the sailors.
But if that's your view then you want to run, not walk, away from Obama. This is the porkmeister himself, and he has plans to spend a whole lot more of our money. With a Democratic-run Congress there will be nothing to stop him. And he won't have the luck of a dot-com bubble to provide the money for his spending lust.
Joe was basically a miracle for McCain, resurrecting his campaign in a way McCain's people couldn't have done, putting a face on the people Obama's higher taxes would hurt.
Obama's already dismissed Joe ("I don't know any plumbers who make $250K"), trying to make people forget Joe's whole point (he wants to make $250K but is afraid of doing it because of how he'll be taxed). It isn't working.
I think Obama's minions are trying to get some dirt on Joe to discredit him, just like they tried with Sarah Palin's emails, and failed.
If we have right to "lawyers" (nowhere in the Constitution)
6th Amendment: "In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right... to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense."
Exercise of the right to counsel, unless you waive it, is because the situation of a criminal prosecution has been forced upon you, invoking that right. Thus the government must provide counsel or drop the case, because to continue without defense counsel would be unconstitutional.
The 2nd Amendment has no such forced situation in it. It is a right that cannot (supposedly) be infringed, the exercise of which is your choice.
That's proven. I'm sure the bean counters have a way of figuring out how much. I'm not a bean counter, and I'm guessing you aren't either, so we really aren't qualified to determine how goodwill would be valued.
Through the years car manufacturers have put "Handling tuned by Lotus" on their cars as a selling point. Lotus has immense goodwill on the handling front, as the name is practically synonymous with excellent handling.
Thus the goodwill for Lotus is that manufacturers will continue to come to them for handling expertise (much of Lotus' business is engineering contracts). The reputation (goodwill) ensures repeated business for Lotus and increased sales for their customers who advertise the Lotus involvement. Less money would roll in without that reputation. The company is definitely worth more with that reputation than without.
So the reputation/goodwill must be worth something. How much I leave to the bean counters.
My FOIA friend says as a general rule the FOIA law (state or federal) covering the records goes with who holds the records. So if state employees are talking with each other about a federally-funded program, state FOIA normally applies.
It is conceivable that lines may be crossed, but it would be based on the specifics of an individual request.
Slashdot Mirror
It's back from January when Clinton was still a strong contender. It's from after Obama won the Nevada delegates despite Clinton winning the popular vote. Reading the document shows how Obama pulled that off.
I guess this illegal and fraudulent activity doesn't bother you.
I have a feeling it would if the Republicans were doing it.
"Justice" back then did not mean Marxist social justice as the Democrats see it today.
"General welfare" didn't mean redistribution of wealth to individuals. It is the umbrella that allowed the building of roads, railroads and other public facilities that promote the general welfare. It, along with the Takings clause (taking your house so some developer friend of the mayor can make money), has been stretched past its limit today.
ACORN employees went to jail for sitting down at a desk and fraudulently filling in thousands of registration forms all by themselves. ACORN's method of payment to its employees encourages this sort of behavior.
People have voted based on fraud, and it crams the election system, and decreases confidence in our system.
But in the end it breaks the law, so I'd like to see a lot of people in jail, from those who commit the fraud to their enablers. I'd consider this three strikes for ACORN, three elections in a row with committed fraud, so dissolve the organization.
Does not mean equality.
I guess you didn't have to learn the Preamble to the Constitution in school. Don't worry, I've found most liberals have no idea about why our country was founded.
Depends on what kind of dangerous you're talking about. I'm not thinking any kind of violence.
Couple? There are thousands. There were several thousand in just one instance where ACORN employees went to jail.
Let's see... an organization repeatedly violates federal laws and despite assurances leaves in place the exact system that promotes the law breaking (pay per registration) and miserably polices itself. I'd say RICO applies so, yes, criminal.
Enforcement is good. Selective enforcement is of course wrong.
The many allegations were officially made by the campaign of Hillary Clinton, and they are far worse than any allegations I have seen against Republicans.
Did I say voter fraud? No, I don't believe I did. I guess this kind of fraud is okay with you though, as long as it serves your purposes.
The allegations are true. ACORN employees have been sent to jail for this in the past. Investigations are currently ongoing in several states.
As far as damage, yes, people have voted based on the fraudulent registrations. They also clog the system, increasing the probably of error and delay for real registrations.
One reason I like it is that there are no loopholes. None, period. Mr. Rich pays $50,000 in tax on his new Bentley, and there is no way to get around it. Meanwhile, we pay maybe $4,000 in tax for the new Toyota. The rebate we get (that rebates the tax at the poverty rate, the poor pay no taxes) is the same for everyone, so it helps pay for a much higher percentage of our Toyota tax than it did for his Bentley tax.
The system would put a lot of tax accountants out of work though.
You would not believe the fighting, in court and physical, that has happened over water and mineral rights in the old self-sufficient US.
You can't drill that well unless you bought rights to the water, or otherwise some common agreement or overriding law exists. The guy next door might have bought all the rights for all the land surrounding his so he can irrigate his crops. Or if you use too much you'll have a fight with your neighbors who don't like you draining that common underground aquifer.
As far as the coal you're screwed if you didn't buy mineral rights. They can come on your land and start pulling it out of the ground. They'll have to pay you a reasonable easement to be there, but you don't get a penny specifically from the coal.
Ever tried giving to charity? Then you can target the specific individuals, groups or unfortunate circumstances you want to positively affect, eliminating the expansive government overhead and waste inherent in such programs. There are even charity ratings sites that tell you how efficiently any charity gets your money to those who need it.
You can give your money away much more intelligently than the government can.
Also, those registrations their employees filled out with no real voter behind them were not "received," they were fraudulently generated by ACORN.
It's also interesting that I can tell your political leanings from the articles you cite. It's all about "voter suppression," most instances of which are better known as enforcing the law and trying to prevent fraud.
Nothing about Obama's extensive voter suppression during the primaries to steal the nomination from Clinton. Not enforcing the law types, but dirty tricks to single-out Clinton supporters and keep them from voting. Nothing about ACORN committing massive registration fraud either.
Unless he incorporates, which he may not want to do for various reasons, his business income is his income.
Besides, I just heard, the threshold has gone down to $200K. Wait, Biden just said it went down again to $150K. I'm betting it goes down further. Those people making $150K and cheering because the "rich" were going to get ripped off to their advantage probably aren't all that happy now that they're considered "rich" and ripe for the picking.
What, you trusted the most liberal Senator in Congress, a supporter of socialist methods by his own words, not to raise everybody's taxes?
Graphics don't really matter for it. You have grandmas using it in nursing homes and I caught my four year-old doing yoga on it. It's just awesome.
I know it's not really a "game," more exercise guide plus a bunch of mini-games, but it goes to an odd selling point of the Wii. The other consoles break out of the console mold by being DVD players and media streamers, Wii does it with strange non-traditional games and activities that are oddly catching on. Still, I'll be getting GTA 5 for the PS3, not the Wii.
On the other hand, the government does tend to have alternate-universe definitions of things. Like down here "shall not be infringed" and "public use" have taken on whole new meanings in the government lexicon.
It's about running a business instead of being an employee, taking on all the uncertainties, responsibility and risk, and then getting penalized for doing so.
First, why should he have to do creative accounting? Why not just not tax him so much in the first place? This system might as well be called the "accountant's welfare scheme."
In any case, it doesn't matter. Joe has struck a chord, put a regular-guy face on the "evil rich" that Obama wants to punish in his little class-warfare game. If he hadn't, Obama and Biden wouldn't be trying to hard to dismiss him, his minions wouldn't be doing illegal record searches on him, they wouldn't be smearing him as they've been trying. They're even digging up things like he doesn't have a plumber's license so he's "not a real plumber" (license not required if you work for someone who has one).
Translation: Thre isn't really any benefit to taking less money from those that are rich. The mugger doesn't give you money by only taking half of what's in your wallet instead of all of it.
It's like when you hear a politician say a tax cut will "cost the government money." Uh, no, it will cost the taxpayers less money. Back to the mugger, we apparently cost him money when we protect ourselves from him.
We agree here, comparisons to drunken sailors' spending habits is not fair to the sailors.
But if that's your view then you want to run, not walk, away from Obama. This is the porkmeister himself, and he has plans to spend a whole lot more of our money. With a Democratic-run Congress there will be nothing to stop him. And he won't have the luck of a dot-com bubble to provide the money for his spending lust.
Joe was basically a miracle for McCain, resurrecting his campaign in a way McCain's people couldn't have done, putting a face on the people Obama's higher taxes would hurt.
Obama's already dismissed Joe ("I don't know any plumbers who make $250K"), trying to make people forget Joe's whole point (he wants to make $250K but is afraid of doing it because of how he'll be taxed). It isn't working.
I think Obama's minions are trying to get some dirt on Joe to discredit him, just like they tried with Sarah Palin's emails, and failed.
6th Amendment: "In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right ... to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense."
Exercise of the right to counsel, unless you waive it, is because the situation of a criminal prosecution has been forced upon you, invoking that right. Thus the government must provide counsel or drop the case, because to continue without defense counsel would be unconstitutional.
The 2nd Amendment has no such forced situation in it. It is a right that cannot (supposedly) be infringed, the exercise of which is your choice.
That's proven. I'm sure the bean counters have a way of figuring out how much. I'm not a bean counter, and I'm guessing you aren't either, so we really aren't qualified to determine how goodwill would be valued.
Through the years car manufacturers have put "Handling tuned by Lotus" on their cars as a selling point. Lotus has immense goodwill on the handling front, as the name is practically synonymous with excellent handling.
Thus the goodwill for Lotus is that manufacturers will continue to come to them for handling expertise (much of Lotus' business is engineering contracts). The reputation (goodwill) ensures repeated business for Lotus and increased sales for their customers who advertise the Lotus involvement. Less money would roll in without that reputation. The company is definitely worth more with that reputation than without.
So the reputation/goodwill must be worth something. How much I leave to the bean counters.
My FOIA friend says as a general rule the FOIA law (state or federal) covering the records goes with who holds the records. So if state employees are talking with each other about a federally-funded program, state FOIA normally applies.
It is conceivable that lines may be crossed, but it would be based on the specifics of an individual request.