Here's something that will spin your brain: This is Bush's drawdown. Yep, agreed to in 2008 with the government of Iraq.
The only possible way this had anything to do with the drawdown would be if Obama had been planning to keep the troops there despite the Bush agreement, but decided not to after this got out.
That doesn't change his status. It isn't enemy combatant. The conditions are another issue, which is debatable. The commander of the brig certainly doesn't want Manning dying on his watch, which could be a career killer.
It was only SECRET. The storage of that information doesn't have to enforce the need to know aspect of access to classified information. However, someone was a bit lax with the permissions in any case. There's no reason to give everybody everything.
Now if it were various higher-level programs he would be required to have an operational need to have access to that specific information even to be told it existed.
Let's even go back to Private Slovik in WWII, the man famous for being the only one executed for desertion. He said he would desert, was told his action would constitute desertion, and after he did it he was given several chances to go back to his unit and all would be forgotten. He wrote a note incriminating himself, and was offered a couple of times to have it torn up. To make sure Slovik understood the consequences, they had him write on the back of his note.
Slovik committed suicide by judicial system, on the hopes he would just get a jail sentence that would be commuted after the war. A lot of people in the Army system tried, but failed, to protect him from himself.
He is still in the Army and is a prisoner like any other arrested soldier. However, his is a much more severe case than most, and due to the circumstances is held in a status designed to prevent injury by himself or other prisoners.
Well, if I were innocent. You don't get a group where the two sides have tried to produce the most ignorant jury possible. They're not likely to be swayed by the pretty charts and rhetoric of the prosecution if they have no real basis.
You get career military people who are generally well-educated and know the military laws themselves. The average officer on the jury is field-grade, and he'll have a military-oriented master's degree at minimum. Enlisted normally don't rise to the ranks that get put on juries without having at least a batchelor's.
Everything can be waived upon request. However, this is the period where the government conducts its investigation. A big, complex case would mean a long investigation.
Here the soldier is at an advantage over a civilian, because he actually gets to be involved in the hearing and present and cross examine witnesses. A civilian prosecutor can (and often does) hold a grand jury without the interests of the defense being presented, thus the saying about indicting a ham sandwich.
This is one reason why courts martial have a high conviction rate. Most cases that wouldn't result in a conviction don't get referred for trial after an Article 32 hearing. This is how our civilian grand jury system is supposed to work.
They don't get a second voice as part of a corporation.
Corporations exist at the will of the state, thus at the will of the people. Supposedly this should be under the terms the people find beneficial to them. However, since the corporations have gained an independent voice in government as virtual people, the terms are now what is beneficial to the corporations, not the people.
The love fest was completely there, all it needed was a bit more KY between most of the attendants. Of course they ommitted such niceties during their rape of the one person against the bill, as they were hammering her in their opening statements before she was even able to speak.
Lofgren expectedly made only token resistance, but Jackson-Lee disappointed, providing little entertainment.
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Or, rather, several of them.
The protests were planned in advance and started by Adbusters, funded, supported and publicized by various George Soros entities. It even has a heirarchal command structure like a corporation. As a registered non-profit, they even have bank accounts with $$$.
It is this money that pays for people to lie full-time on TV to support the movement and bash its detractors. For every Hannity there's one or more equally detestable Olbermanns. They even have the women covered with The View, a bunch of leftists with a token conservative who continually gets shouted down.
During the Cold War, our troops in Europe had instructions on how to blow up their tactical nuclear weapons with a shaped charge if they were in danger of being overrun by the advancing Soviet army.
Not only did this prevent a nuke from falling into enemy hands, the charge would obliterate the nuclear core, blowing the pieces out in the direction of the blast. The whole area would be rendered quite dangerous to advancing troops.
And unlike Clooney and Kidman, they were ordered to get the hell out of there as soon as the fuse was lit.
Back in the days of Tuskeege, the government thought it only get away with conducting deadly experiments on blacks. Later it figured it could get away with doing it to conscripted troops.
Mostly at his Texas ranch, which had been made over to basically be a White House away from home. He did his business, held his meetings, entertained foreign dignitaries, etc., when he was in Texas. It was more of a Western Camp David, which is generally not counted as vacation time for a president.
But he did take time off for a few photo ops clearing brush to pretend like he's just a regular guy, then probably had workers clear the rest.
Corporate, mainstream media is still giving conservatives blowjobs while lobbing brickbats at liberals.
Fox of course was promoting the Tea Party activists as much as possible, but the rest were either apathetic, or downright hostile like MSNBC (Keith Olbermann was particularly vile).
They don't have an agenda! They aren't serious
Be honest, it was hard to get the same statement from two OWS protesters as to what the protests were about in the beginning. Since it is a centralized movement, they had a committee finally agree to a list of demands a month after the protests started.
before people figured out they were a bunch of Koch-funded ex-Birchers
The Tea Party, founded as grassroots, has no command structure. However, various people have donated money for events and tried to influence or coopt it. Occupy Wall Street was started by Adbusters with other liberal help, and underwent three months of planning before the first protest (the domain was registered in June). George Soros' money is showing itself everywhere in the Occupy movement, with the likes of MoveOn.org, Res Publica and the Tides Foundation coordinating financial and material support and publicity nationwide. Leftist union money and support has been there from the beginning, ordering members to show for protests and providing other material support.
But more unwashed loser anti-semites are in the Occupy protests.
People tried to show up to Tea Party rallies with racist signs, but were thrown out. Other than that, you only have unverified claims of racist statements that nobody will put up for despite a $100,000 bounty for evidence.
But at the Occupy protests, anti-Semitic signs and slogans are just fine. Didn't that one Occupy protester say the Zionist Jews need to be run out of the country? Or how about that Occupy protester telling a Jew he's a dumb motherfucker who should go back to Israel? In Chicago they welcome the Palestinians voicing their (of course anti-Semitic) opinion in the protest. And I really liked the "Hitler's Bankers" sign.
But what can you expect from a movement that has received the official support of the American Nazi Party?
How can a government agency ban a private company if they try and use their most important right as in the Constitution?
The airwaves are a limited public resource, and with the use of such a resource comes responsibility. There is no such limit on cable or other such transmission. Also, corporations are not (at least not yet) considered to have absolutely full First Amendment rights the same as an individual. Commercial speech (which a TV broadcast usually constitutes) does not enjoy such full rights.
Then you have the amendment that they shall no seizure of property without a proper warrant from a judge. But your country searches everything if you try and go on a plane.
This is historically supported at the border, and by extension the boarding and arrival from international flights. It's not a Fourth Amdendment search, but a function of customs. However, that the concept is extended to domestic flights I agree is problematic.
The Americans claim to have the best democracy of the world, but you have only two political parties.
That is not dictated by law, just how things turned out. However, since they got power, the party duopoly have enacted laws that do make it harder for any other party to gain traction. The media is complicit, since the last presidential debate to allow a third party candidate was almost 20 years ago.
Then you claim do be the most advanced civilization, but your poverty rate and child-death-rate is one of the highest in the western countries.
It would help if we hadn't been draining our coffers for your defense over the last several decades. You couldn't even clean up the mess in your own backyard, the Balkans, and needed us to come help.
And now you don't only have the DMCA law, that ignores the due-process and innocent-until-proven-otherwise rule
I won't disagree on DMCA; however, the worst part of the DMCA, related to anti-circumvention, only implements a copyright treaty hammered out in Europe -- Geneva to be precise.
What's really bad here is that we had a system where an author is only granted a limited monopoly right to his works by the government, but it's being slowly replaced by the European view that an author has a natural right to his works.
I know Conyers (D), Coble (R), Sensenbrenner (R) and Berman (D) and others are basically owned by the entertainment industry so there will be a total kiss-ass fest between them and the industry reps.
Jackson-Lee (D), Congress' most "entertaining" member since the departure of Cynthia McKinney, also is on the MAFIAA's side. We might get to see a supremely ignorant and downright mean tirade directed at the one person testifying against SOPA. If she does go off the deep end again, expect her to find some way to bring race into the issue. Who knows, we could get another gem like "two Vietnams" or
Lofgren (D) is the only one on the committee that know has expressed some apprehension at the vast expansion of copyright. It'll be interesting if she actually tries to put the interests of the people first.
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Here's something that will spin your brain: This is Bush's drawdown. Yep, agreed to in 2008 with the government of Iraq.
The only possible way this had anything to do with the drawdown would be if Obama had been planning to keep the troops there despite the Bush agreement, but decided not to after this got out.
That doesn't change his status. It isn't enemy combatant. The conditions are another issue, which is debatable. The commander of the brig certainly doesn't want Manning dying on his watch, which could be a career killer.
It was only SECRET. The storage of that information doesn't have to enforce the need to know aspect of access to classified information. However, someone was a bit lax with the permissions in any case. There's no reason to give everybody everything.
Now if it were various higher-level programs he would be required to have an operational need to have access to that specific information even to be told it existed.
Let's even go back to Private Slovik in WWII, the man famous for being the only one executed for desertion. He said he would desert, was told his action would constitute desertion, and after he did it he was given several chances to go back to his unit and all would be forgotten. He wrote a note incriminating himself, and was offered a couple of times to have it torn up. To make sure Slovik understood the consequences, they had him write on the back of his note.
Slovik committed suicide by judicial system, on the hopes he would just get a jail sentence that would be commuted after the war. A lot of people in the Army system tried, but failed, to protect him from himself.
There is only one saving grace in this, in that Assange had the good sense to try to cleanse the documents before releasing them.
He is still in the Army and is a prisoner like any other arrested soldier. However, his is a much more severe case than most, and due to the circumstances is held in a status designed to prevent injury by himself or other prisoners.
Well, if I were innocent. You don't get a group where the two sides have tried to produce the most ignorant jury possible. They're not likely to be swayed by the pretty charts and rhetoric of the prosecution if they have no real basis.
You get career military people who are generally well-educated and know the military laws themselves. The average officer on the jury is field-grade, and he'll have a military-oriented master's degree at minimum. Enlisted normally don't rise to the ranks that get put on juries without having at least a batchelor's.
Everything can be waived upon request. However, this is the period where the government conducts its investigation. A big, complex case would mean a long investigation.
Here the soldier is at an advantage over a civilian, because he actually gets to be involved in the hearing and present and cross examine witnesses. A civilian prosecutor can (and often does) hold a grand jury without the interests of the defense being presented, thus the saying about indicting a ham sandwich.
This is one reason why courts martial have a high conviction rate. Most cases that wouldn't result in a conviction don't get referred for trial after an Article 32 hearing. This is how our civilian grand jury system is supposed to work.
I may have some sympathy if he knew of specific illegal acts and divulged the information about those acts in order to bring about justice.
But that's not what he did. He just released a huge amount of classified information, some of which could get people killed.
Your reference for the Second Amendment takes a non-restrictive clause and turns it into a restrictive clause emphasized with italics. Reason?
Imagine if you'd been reading a porn comic when it froze.
They don't get a second voice as part of a corporation.
Corporations exist at the will of the state, thus at the will of the people. Supposedly this should be under the terms the people find beneficial to them. However, since the corporations have gained an independent voice in government as virtual people, the terms are now what is beneficial to the corporations, not the people.
Contract terms against the public interest are considered unenforceable.
Now all we need is a good government to define "public interest" to be in the interest of the actual public of the people, not the corporations.
The love fest was completely there, all it needed was a bit more KY between most of the attendants. Of course they ommitted such niceties during their rape of the one person against the bill, as they were hammering her in their opening statements before she was even able to speak.
Lofgren expectedly made only token resistance, but Jackson-Lee disappointed, providing little entertainment.
Or, rather, several of them.
The protests were planned in advance and started by Adbusters, funded, supported and publicized by various George Soros entities. It even has a heirarchal command structure like a corporation. As a registered non-profit, they even have bank accounts with $$$.
It is this money that pays for people to lie full-time on TV to support the movement and bash its detractors. For every Hannity there's one or more equally detestable Olbermanns. They even have the women covered with The View, a bunch of leftists with a token conservative who continually gets shouted down.
During the Cold War, our troops in Europe had instructions on how to blow up their tactical nuclear weapons with a shaped charge if they were in danger of being overrun by the advancing Soviet army.
Not only did this prevent a nuke from falling into enemy hands, the charge would obliterate the nuclear core, blowing the pieces out in the direction of the blast. The whole area would be rendered quite dangerous to advancing troops.
And unlike Clooney and Kidman, they were ordered to get the hell out of there as soon as the fuse was lit.
Swallowing fabricated charges of racism helps you avoid the issues.
Back in the days of Tuskeege, the government thought it only get away with conducting deadly experiments on blacks. Later it figured it could get away with doing it to conscripted troops.
Now it has no problem doing it to us all.
Mostly at his Texas ranch, which had been made over to basically be a White House away from home. He did his business, held his meetings, entertained foreign dignitaries, etc., when he was in Texas. It was more of a Western Camp David, which is generally not counted as vacation time for a president.
But he did take time off for a few photo ops clearing brush to pretend like he's just a regular guy, then probably had workers clear the rest.
Fox of course was promoting the Tea Party activists as much as possible, but the rest were either apathetic, or downright hostile like MSNBC (Keith Olbermann was particularly vile).
Be honest, it was hard to get the same statement from two OWS protesters as to what the protests were about in the beginning. Since it is a centralized movement, they had a committee finally agree to a list of demands a month after the protests started.
The Tea Party, founded as grassroots, has no command structure. However, various people have donated money for events and tried to influence or coopt it. Occupy Wall Street was started by Adbusters with other liberal help, and underwent three months of planning before the first protest (the domain was registered in June). George Soros' money is showing itself everywhere in the Occupy movement, with the likes of MoveOn.org, Res Publica and the Tides Foundation coordinating financial and material support and publicity nationwide. Leftist union money and support has been there from the beginning, ordering members to show for protests and providing other material support.
Your rights there are defined by Sharia, and the government won't mess with you as long as you exercise those rights.
But more unwashed loser anti-semites are in the Occupy protests.
People tried to show up to Tea Party rallies with racist signs, but were thrown out. Other than that, you only have unverified claims of racist statements that nobody will put up for despite a $100,000 bounty for evidence.
But at the Occupy protests, anti-Semitic signs and slogans are just fine. Didn't that one Occupy protester say the Zionist Jews need to be run out of the country? Or how about that Occupy protester telling a Jew he's a dumb motherfucker who should go back to Israel? In Chicago they welcome the Palestinians voicing their (of course anti-Semitic) opinion in the protest. And I really liked the "Hitler's Bankers" sign.
But what can you expect from a movement that has received the official support of the American Nazi Party?
The airwaves are a limited public resource, and with the use of such a resource comes responsibility. There is no such limit on cable or other such transmission. Also, corporations are not (at least not yet) considered to have absolutely full First Amendment rights the same as an individual. Commercial speech (which a TV broadcast usually constitutes) does not enjoy such full rights.
This is historically supported at the border, and by extension the boarding and arrival from international flights. It's not a Fourth Amdendment search, but a function of customs. However, that the concept is extended to domestic flights I agree is problematic.
That is not dictated by law, just how things turned out. However, since they got power, the party duopoly have enacted laws that do make it harder for any other party to gain traction. The media is complicit, since the last presidential debate to allow a third party candidate was almost 20 years ago.
It would help if we hadn't been draining our coffers for your defense over the last several decades. You couldn't even clean up the mess in your own backyard, the Balkans, and needed us to come help.
I won't disagree on DMCA; however, the worst part of the DMCA, related to anti-circumvention, only implements a copyright treaty hammered out in Europe -- Geneva to be precise.
What's really bad here is that we had a system where an author is only granted a limited monopoly right to his works by the government, but it's being slowly replaced by the European view that an author has a natural right to his works.
Looking at your same chart, a much larger percentage of the Occupy protesters are unemployed than Tea Party protesters.
You ignore that there are almost no retirees among the Occupy crowd.
I know Conyers (D), Coble (R), Sensenbrenner (R) and Berman (D) and others are basically owned by the entertainment industry so there will be a total kiss-ass fest between them and the industry reps.
Jackson-Lee (D), Congress' most "entertaining" member since the departure of Cynthia McKinney, also is on the MAFIAA's side. We might get to see a supremely ignorant and downright mean tirade directed at the one person testifying against SOPA. If she does go off the deep end again, expect her to find some way to bring race into the issue. Who knows, we could get another gem like "two Vietnams" or
Lofgren (D) is the only one on the committee that know has expressed some apprehension at the vast expansion of copyright. It'll be interesting if she actually tries to put the interests of the people first.