What you fail to understand here, and this is the beauty of the KDE project, is that the people who coded this pluggin are not Konqueror core developers, rather a few programmers that felt a need for the feature and decided to make it a reality. So yes, Konqueror is becoming a better browser day-by-day, and there are programmers working to make it more stable, and there are also contributing programmers that want to add a functionality feature. It's a win-win situation.
Take a look at "Lions' Commentary on UNIX 6th Edition" by John Lions. It's an older text, but it's beautifully coded. Although this is a great text for OS programming, if not the standard, it can also server as a good reference for style and design. It's written by the guy that invented C, so you know it's going to be good.:)
Mdevelop is more of a system built around existing apps. Imagine Glimmer + DDD + glade + a lisp interpreter all integrated. IMHO, linux lacks a really good IDE that can do everything you need..edit the code, debug it, and create an interface.
KDevelop has been this and more for a while now. It has the integrated debugger and interface creator (also tightly integrated with Qt Designer). It has all the standard stuff like code highlighting and formating aids. It doesn't, on the other hand, have a built in LISP interpretor, but I don't many people that use one anyway. Besides, anyone that wants to add one is free to do so.
I've even heard that KDevelop will make coffee for you, but I can't confirm that:)
well i'm sorry sir, considering that our university uses NT 4 on Pentium II 400's I think I should know how well it runs, but thenagain, comparisons are relative... NT on those machines is a lot slower than linux or freebsd running a different desktop on the same machines (which we also have)... if NT runs fast/fine for you on a 486 DX2 so be it, i could hardly get win95 to run on a 486DX2 50mhz machine, it would take almost 5 minutes from startup to when the hard drive stopped grinding, but you should know that there is so much faster systems out there
I think the reason that KDE comes default with the "bloat" enabled is so that the user will be able to expirence all the available options, at which time they will be allowed to customize it based on their own discretion. I think it would be a big waste to ship KDE with just a plain theme, and plain icons, with plain effects, etc... Image is everything in selling your idea, even if you're not making money. My problem, and a lot of people's, with windows is not the fact that it's bloatware, but that the bloat can't be turned off, for the most part, and that it crashes all the time. I'm serious, whenever I go to visit my parents, I can't use their computer (Athlon 800 w/ Win98se) more than an hour w/ out it freezing and causing me to loose all my data. That's one of the things I like a lot about KDE, i've never had it crash on me before... and KDE runs very fast on my computer and ran well when I used to have a P200 w/ 64 mb of ram. Not only is KDE pleasing from a User standpoint, it is also fun to code for and the API is very clean and programmer friendly.
actually, this was your comment that i replied to:
"Yeah, that's something nobody talks about around here. A standard installation of KDE includes enough bloatware and eye candy to make it virtually unusable on anything with less than 64M and an 8M video card.
And don't pipe up with the "but I can customize it for my needs" crap. Any GUI can be stripped down if you want. That's not the point."
and another thing, have you perhaps thought that your problem was mandrake and not KDE? You know that linux isn't the only OSS kernel out there, KDE _DOES_ run _WELL_ on FreeBSD and a multitude of other free operating systems, ones in which you can control the "bloat"... i've used NT also, you can't really control the bloat, everything is one huge GUI/OS and it's horribly slow on Pentium II 400's, i'd hate to see it on a P200.
funny, KDE runs faster and more stable for me than does GNOME. Above all, if i don't want some of these "bloatware" eye candy features I can turn them off. It's not hard people. IMHO, it's better to have the choice to use a feature or not and have it available instead of being forced to go without it. For all you trolls that constantly bash KDE, try using it first.
this is not the only thing happening with KDE, there happens to be other work being done on KDE, it's not like they're going to place all their work on ease of use, or any other one area. This just happens to be what the news was on for today, and tommorrow will be something else.
apparently you haven't looked at KDE 2. Even out of the box, KDE 2 is very attractive. Over all, it can be customized anyway you like. I'm getting really tired of everyone bashing KDE everytime there is an article about it on slashdot. It happens to be the most complete and stable desktop/window manager.
Even though I'm not familiar with Slashcode, i'm sure it would not be hard to transfer to another database package because of the Perl DBI 's generic database interface. As far as I know, you would just have to change up the connection code if Slashcode were written well.
I know i'm going to get flamed for this, but I'm totally okay with what Sun is doing. RMS and his zealots love to point out 'violations' of the GPL when it is against their rival projects (no reference to the KDE project intened) but when it happens to them it's some huge 'evil' company that wants to exploit people without some sort of consequence. I say if it's legal and right for RMS and family to get at people for 'violating' the GPL and telling them they are forever void in the eyes of the GPL (once again, no reference to the KDE project), then it's legal and right for Sun to be anal about wording too.
Hey, it's all words, who's interpretation is correct? Will we see this one in the Supreme Court? Let's hope not...
-zerovoid
I remember when the first KDE 2 beta was released that they released a schedule of release dates. So far it seems like they've hit everyone one, and if I remember correctly, the scheduled release for KDE 2 final was October 15th. Lets just hope it's around there and not Christmas:)
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the point of the comment is if:
1) They're working in an office environment
2) They're mainly using office programs (ie. Project, Word, Excel) with the majority of their workload
then why use linux at all? If their work is dependent on Microsoft products then they should use Microsoft operating systems.
Why don't you just run windows if you need to run windows applications? They'd probably run better.
What you fail to understand here, and this is the beauty of the KDE project, is that the people who coded this pluggin are not Konqueror core developers, rather a few programmers that felt a need for the feature and decided to make it a reality. So yes, Konqueror is becoming a better browser day-by-day, and there are programmers working to make it more stable, and there are also contributing programmers that want to add a functionality feature. It's a win-win situation.
Take a look at "Lions' Commentary on UNIX 6th Edition" by John Lions. It's an older text, but it's beautifully coded. Although this is a great text for OS programming, if not the standard, it can also server as a good reference for style and design. It's written by the guy that invented C, so you know it's going to be good. :)
zerovoid
Mdevelop is more of a system built around existing apps. Imagine Glimmer + DDD + glade + a lisp interpreter all integrated. IMHO, linux lacks a really good IDE that can do everything you need..edit the code, debug it, and create an interface.
KDevelop has been this and more for a while now. It has the integrated debugger and interface creator (also tightly integrated with Qt Designer). It has all the standard stuff like code highlighting and formating aids. It doesn't, on the other hand, have a built in LISP interpretor, but I don't many people that use one anyway. Besides, anyone that wants to add one is free to do so.
I've even heard that KDevelop will make coffee for you, but I can't confirm that:)
Here's the URL: http://www.kdevelop.org
well i'm sorry sir, considering that our university uses NT 4 on Pentium II 400's I think I should know how well it runs, but thenagain, comparisons are relative... NT on those machines is a lot slower than linux or freebsd running a different desktop on the same machines (which we also have)... if NT runs fast/fine for you on a 486 DX2 so be it, i could hardly get win95 to run on a 486DX2 50mhz machine, it would take almost 5 minutes from startup to when the hard drive stopped grinding, but you should know that there is so much faster systems out there
I think the reason that KDE comes default with the "bloat" enabled is so that the user will be able to expirence all the available options, at which time they will be allowed to customize it based on their own discretion. I think it would be a big waste to ship KDE with just a plain theme, and plain icons, with plain effects, etc... Image is everything in selling your idea, even if you're not making money. My problem, and a lot of people's, with windows is not the fact that it's bloatware, but that the bloat can't be turned off, for the most part, and that it crashes all the time. I'm serious, whenever I go to visit my parents, I can't use their computer (Athlon 800 w/ Win98se) more than an hour w/ out it freezing and causing me to loose all my data. That's one of the things I like a lot about KDE, i've never had it crash on me before... and KDE runs very fast on my computer and ran well when I used to have a P200 w/ 64 mb of ram. Not only is KDE pleasing from a User standpoint, it is also fun to code for and the API is very clean and programmer friendly.
actually, this was your comment that i replied to:
... i've used NT also, you can't really control the bloat, everything is one huge GUI/OS and it's horribly slow on Pentium II 400's, i'd hate to see it on a P200.
"Yeah, that's something nobody talks about around here. A standard installation of KDE includes enough bloatware and eye candy to make it virtually unusable on anything with less than 64M and an 8M video card.
And don't pipe up with the "but I can customize it for my needs" crap. Any GUI can be stripped down if you want. That's not the point."
and another thing, have you perhaps thought that your problem was mandrake and not KDE? You know that linux isn't the only OSS kernel out there, KDE _DOES_ run _WELL_ on FreeBSD and a multitude of other free operating systems, ones in which you can control the "bloat"
funny, KDE runs faster and more stable for me than does GNOME. Above all, if i don't want some of these "bloatware" eye candy features I can turn them off. It's not hard people. IMHO, it's better to have the choice to use a feature or not and have it available instead of being forced to go without it. For all you trolls that constantly bash KDE, try using it first.
this is not the only thing happening with KDE, there happens to be other work being done on KDE, it's not like they're going to place all their work on ease of use, or any other one area. This just happens to be what the news was on for today, and tommorrow will be something else.
Slashdot -- All the news fit to print
apparently you haven't looked at KDE 2. Even out of the box, KDE 2 is very attractive. Over all, it can be customized anyway you like. I'm getting really tired of everyone bashing KDE everytime there is an article about it on slashdot. It happens to be the most complete and stable desktop/window manager.
zerovoid
(Notice: I am a fan of MySQL and use it myself)
Even though I'm not familiar with Slashcode, i'm sure it would not be hard to transfer to another database package because of the Perl DBI 's generic database interface. As far as I know, you would just have to change up the connection code if Slashcode were written well.
I know i'm going to get flamed for this, but I'm totally okay with what Sun is doing. RMS and his zealots love to point out 'violations' of the GPL when it is against their rival projects (no reference to the KDE project intened) but when it happens to them it's some huge 'evil' company that wants to exploit people without some sort of consequence. I say if it's legal and right for RMS and family to get at people for 'violating' the GPL and telling them they are forever void in the eyes of the GPL (once again, no reference to the KDE project), then it's legal and right for Sun to be anal about wording too. Hey, it's all words, who's interpretation is correct? Will we see this one in the Supreme Court? Let's hope not... -zerovoid
I remember when the first KDE 2 beta was released that they released a schedule of release dates. So far it seems like they've hit everyone one, and if I remember correctly, the scheduled release for KDE 2 final was October 15th. Lets just hope it's around there and not Christmas:) -zerovoid