The problem is the AOL and MSN centralized servers that everyone logs into. In my opinion it is way worse that we are locked into horrible client interfaces that never evolve, additionally to the fact that we can't talk between services.
Napster was a centralized server, and that was replaced with the Gnutella network that has many client apps all competing against eachother and can't be shut down by the Music Monopoly (Industry.)
So please consider with me what it would take to make IM over a decentralized protocol. Seems gnutella with built in PGP certificates or SSH certificates would do the trick. Then changing the routing so that it goes along with our needs.
MS should take linux and design a proprietary UI just like apple did with their darwin. Then MS could release "MS Windows/Linux 2004" and capitalize off the linux fame plus keep their Windows brand going. They could so easily design the UI as a window manager that users wouldn't even know the difference, and all us open source nerd would have our 'open hooded vehicle' of an OS so we can have good security and stop it from crashing. Additionally, more UI's can continue being integrated from the linux world for those who want better UI's, and then MS could just rip those ideas off too.
All microsoft wants anyways is to have their windows on every machine in the world so that all the companies keep up support contracts with them anyways, and so that Bill Gates can keep everyone beleiving he has all the power in the world. The whole thing is a big nike swoosh. Just change the engine for all us people who actually care, and let MS keep their fame. Everyone wins.
The reason MS won't do this is because they are worried about that chance that it could loosen their hold on the desktop, and the truth is, is that it will. But if they don't start opening up their software to evolution, they are going to loose EVERYTHING.
...out of myself to my friends and stock broker. "Our Nvidia stock is gonna be worth a lot! And they are using open source software toO! I told you AMD is a good company!!! SEE SEE!"
If the uniqueness was found in 128bit keys, or openPGP certificates rather then the domain... then users wouldn't be attached to a particular server. I don't like losing my contact list when I switch ISPs anyways.
Pretty soon we will be able to do User Location Queries over jxta that spread out just like gnutella file searches do. Centralized instant messsaging servers will be a way of the past, just like how gnutella eclipsed napster.
I've been thinking about breaking open a java gnutella client and hacking it to do simple chat rather then a file transfer, replacing file searches and replies with identity search and replies. All that would really need to be added is certificates to verify people are who they say they are.
Maybe a decentralized user location plugin for GAIM would do the trick... hrmmm.
There is a chat client I found that already does direct peer-to-peer instant messaging, with full encryption. Identities are OpenPGP certificates. Only the decentralized user location is not there- (okay, kinda a big thing) - oh, and its not for linux either. Raxius Express(windows app)
Feedback on the whole decentralized user lookup is appreciated.
How is this really much different then a cookie? Why not just allow the user to store his data locally and allow behind firewall distribution with a preexisting decentralzed server network (jxta.)
While I'm at it, whats the big idea with User Location for user data and Instant Messaging. Why not just allow 128 public keys to be user location identifiers through a decentralized jxta real time location service. Chat - passport - decentralized. Am I missing something?
The only problem with storing information on freenet is that the information isn't guarenteed permenent. If the file isn't populair, then it gets removed from the system. Bye bye my xml data file.
1-Lie down on the floor, stomach down.
2-raise your feet and hands, balancing your whole body on your chest and stomach. You will feel your back flex (and that great burning working feeling!)
3- do that for 3 repetitions of 10 seconds or longer. You'll have a back like arnold in no time.
Corporations have a responsibility to the community. Maybe legally they're is nothing wrong, but it would be completely immoral. They would be hurting competition for the only purpose that they could monopolize the IM market and then take advantage of all the users by exploiting us. We are already locked into _their_ IM server. Do you want to be locked into AOL's software?, despite weither it is better?, but because it is the only one that is compatible?, and because AOL made it that way!! Do you really want to lose your ability to comfortably change software and strangle the progress of our IM technologies because AOL had a 'right' to do it because it was 'their' server. 2 words. Bull shit.
PS. For information on a open an free IM technology, look at www.jabber.org
I wish there was an easier way for us to get this kind of info from you. I have been trying to figure out for 6 months if Corel gives back to the community and now I can see they do. By some of the other comments in this discussion, it looks like a lot (or most) people are also confussed about this. Since this is something that would really benifit Corel's public relations, I would think they would do something to more widely publisize it. (Maybe they did but its hidden??)
The jabber project is doing a lot of stuff with XML. I'm not sure if this is similair to the XML server that IBM is doing. Maybe someone wants to contrast them for me?
Im glad it went to a cool laser display system, rather then to some fat old white guys pocket who found a loophole in the system.
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RMS is going against the entire spirit of free software. The ONLY thing that matters in OSS is giving your code away for the greater good of mankind. By trying to claim credit, politically or socially, and for money or for fame, he is destroying the entire spirit of the OSS community. I used to look up to him, but now I just look up to Linus.
I could care less. I don't plan on using it. If you beleive in the strengths that Linux has over Windows9X, then you should also beleive in what StarOffice should do to M$Office. It is a hog, crashes, and invades our security with the M$ ID system. On maybe 1 good point...maybe it will inspire more competetion and stir things up more on the linux platform. That is always a good thing.
Bring it on I say! We'll just beat your ass Bill! You can't monopolize this!
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The problem is the AOL and MSN centralized servers that everyone logs into. In my opinion it is way worse that we are locked into horrible client interfaces that never evolve, additionally to the fact that we can't talk between services.
Napster was a centralized server, and that was replaced with the Gnutella network that has many client apps all competing against eachother and can't be shut down by the Music Monopoly (Industry.)
So please consider with me what it would take to make IM over a decentralized protocol. Seems gnutella with built in PGP certificates or SSH certificates would do the trick. Then changing the routing so that it goes along with our needs.
"CmdrTaco: I'll just stick to the best distribution (debian) and watch the fun from afar ;) "
Hell yeah Taco! We need a little bit of distribution pride in these slow economic times. Maybe we can even start an old fashion distro war!
DEBIAN RULES!
First file sharing, now radio! How about someone does this for Instant Messaging next. This would seem even more important then the first two.
Please give me some comments on this. Is it even possible ?
For user authentication, how about SSH Certificates or PGP keys ?
MS should take linux and design a proprietary UI just like apple did with their darwin. Then MS could release "MS Windows/Linux 2004" and capitalize off the linux fame plus keep their Windows brand going. They could so easily design the UI as a window manager that users wouldn't even know the difference, and all us open source nerd would have our 'open hooded vehicle' of an OS so we can have good security and stop it from crashing. Additionally, more UI's can continue being integrated from the linux world for those who want better UI's, and then MS could just rip those ideas off too.
All microsoft wants anyways is to have their windows on every machine in the world so that all the companies keep up support contracts with them anyways, and so that Bill Gates can keep everyone beleiving he has all the power in the world. The whole thing is a big nike swoosh. Just change the engine for all us people who actually care, and let MS keep their fame. Everyone wins.
The reason MS won't do this is because they are worried about that chance that it could loosen their hold on the desktop, and the truth is, is that it will. But if they don't start opening up their software to evolution, they are going to loose EVERYTHING.
...out of myself to my friends and stock broker.
"Our Nvidia stock is gonna be worth a lot! And they are using open source software toO! I told you AMD is a good company!!! SEE SEE!"
shoot.
What about Bugzilla? Isn't that a great tool? What about all the tools that the Mozilla project uses?
If the uniqueness was found in 128bit keys, or openPGP certificates rather then the domain ... then users wouldn't be attached to a particular server. I don't like losing my contact list when I switch ISPs anyways.
So so tired of the battle between jabber and aim.
... hrmmm.
Pretty soon we will be able to do User Location Queries over jxta that spread out just like gnutella file searches do. Centralized instant messsaging servers will be a way of the past, just like how gnutella eclipsed napster.
I've been thinking about breaking open a java gnutella client and hacking it to do simple chat rather then a file transfer, replacing file searches and replies with identity search and replies. All that would really need to be added is certificates to verify people are who they say they are.
Maybe a decentralized user location plugin for GAIM would do the trick
There is a chat client I found that already does direct peer-to-peer instant messaging, with full encryption. Identities are OpenPGP certificates. Only the decentralized user location is not there- (okay, kinda a big thing) - oh, and its not for linux either. Raxius Express(windows app)
Feedback on the whole decentralized user lookup is appreciated.
How is this really much different then a cookie? Why not just allow the user to store his data locally and allow behind firewall distribution with a preexisting decentralzed server network (jxta.)
While I'm at it, whats the big idea with User Location for user data and Instant Messaging. Why not just allow 128 public keys to be user location identifiers through a decentralized jxta real time location service. Chat - passport - decentralized. Am I missing something?
The only problem with storing information on freenet is that the information isn't guarenteed permenent. If the file isn't populair, then it gets removed from the system. Bye bye my xml data file.
for lower back pain...
1-Lie down on the floor, stomach down.
2-raise your feet and hands, balancing your whole body on your chest and stomach. You will feel your back flex (and that great burning working feeling!)
3- do that for 3 repetitions of 10 seconds or longer. You'll have a back like arnold in no time.
IRC has no authentication scheme...or is that IDENT ? Still, there is no graphical GUI client that is in a Instant Messaging form.
>This may suck for everyone in the short term,
>but alternatives will prevail if they stay
>closed.
Alternatives will prevail only if people stand up for what they beleive in. Progress doesn't happen by people sitting around.
Corporations have a responsibility to the community. Maybe legally they're is nothing wrong, but it would be completely immoral. They would be hurting competition for the only purpose that they could monopolize the IM market and then take advantage of all the users by exploiting us. We are already locked into _their_ IM server. Do you want to be locked into AOL's software?, despite weither it is better?, but because it is the only one that is compatible?, and because AOL made it that way!! Do you really want to lose your ability to comfortably change software and strangle the progress of our IM technologies because AOL had a 'right' to do it because it was 'their' server. 2 words. Bull shit.
PS. For information on a open an free IM technology, look at www.jabber.org
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I wish there was an easier way for us to get this kind of info from you. I have been trying to figure out for 6 months if Corel gives back to the community and now I can see they do. By some of the other comments in this discussion, it looks like a lot (or most) people are also confussed about this. Since this is something that would really benifit Corel's public relations, I would think they would do something to more widely publisize it. (Maybe they did but its hidden??)
The jabber project is doing a lot of stuff with XML. I'm not sure if this is similair to the XML server that IBM is doing. Maybe someone wants to contrast them for me?
http://www.jabber.org/
Is the Conference worth going to? or should I just save myself the money because all the action is at the expo?
Any opinions by people who went to the last one would be great. Thanks.
This article sounded pretty convincing. Sounds like a CPU made out of FlashROM. Does it really only do small addition? Anyone know?
Im glad it went to a cool laser display system, rather then to some fat old white guys pocket who found a loophole in the system.
RMS is going against the entire spirit of free software. The ONLY thing that matters in OSS is giving your code away for the greater good of mankind. By trying to claim credit, politically or socially, and for money or for fame, he is destroying the entire spirit of the OSS community. I used to look up to him, but now I just look up to Linus.
I could care less. I don't plan on using it. If you beleive in the strengths that Linux has over Windows9X, then you should also beleive in what StarOffice should do to M$Office. It is a hog, crashes, and invades our security with the M$ ID system.
On maybe 1 good point...maybe it will inspire more competetion and stir things up more on the linux platform. That is always a good thing.
Bring it on I say!
We'll just beat your ass Bill!
You can't monopolize this!