I am curious to learn why. Last time I've seen comparisons (it might be at AnandTech), a 2.0GHz Xeon with 2MB cache compared well with the 2.8Xeon with only 512k, and I think both had the same FSB.
The pinouts are different anyway. I _think_ the P4 is capable of two-way operation but I haven't seen any dual P4 mainboards, I think I have seen it on some chipset spec sheets.
I agree. There is a lot of fragmentation and politiking.
Also, my impression is that people don't think it is worthwhile. I had an uncle that said that for much of his uses, it doesn't speed up normal web surfing as much as he thought it should have. He clearly understood that long downloads were quicker, but he's not much of a downloader. Right now, my only option is satellite internet and given the prices, we aren't jumping in very soon that I can tell. I offered to pay half, half for my use and half for business use.
Another problem is that for one reason or another, broadband companies had a tendency to tank or be bought out and there's only so much jerking around of the customer base that they will tolerate.
I had a black Natural, which I think was hard to find. It was kind of the surfboard variety but it was nice.
The problem is that people with smaller fingers couldn't use them well. It works great for long fingered folk though.
I also like the Natural Elite, and Logitech had some similar designs but the home/end/pg up/pg dn/del/ins keypad was different so it takes getting used to when switching between them.
I can see that done. One can desolder all the connectors and resolder them to the back side. One doesn't need adaptor cables if you can get new connectors or some how flip the existing ribbon cable's connector around to make up for the pin reordering.
IIRC, the particulates wash out with plain old rain.
A lot of the extra junk a diesel puts out is actually because of what goes in. Clinton signed an executive order requiring better refining of diesel fuel, but unfortunately GWB cancelled it before it went into effect.
You still have to guard against several things. For one, accidental deletion, controller failure, power failure, power spikes, catastrophes etc.
So one RAID with some form of journalling, on each continent with proper power regulation might suffice. That's a lot of money and a lot of power.
For static data, I would think that an twice-annual fresh re-backup on a write-once media would be best for long term archives, starting out with several backups of course. That way even if the previous backup might go bad, you can go to a different disc or back to older backups.
The last round of virii got mention on at least one of my local newspapers.
The reason SARS and Ebola gets mention is because it really affects some of people's deepest fears of dying by horrible disease. Computers don't really affect people, it's a tool at best and computers usually don't kill or harm people.
People need to realize that not everyone _can_ update to SP2 or whatever to install the RPC patch (which they'd get infected before the download finishes anyway. Believe it or not, the vast majority of humanity doesn't have broadband. Computers aren't that important. Both Windows and the Internet do take a lot of time to learn, forget mastry, and like many other technologies, I am still not convinced that the "net" benefit to humanity is a positive.
Re:The Russians figured this one out years ago ...
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Thankfully the Soviets didn't put them on their N-1 rocket:
They tried to resurrect Buran a couple years ago..
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They built two and almost had a third done.
They had equally grand plans as NASA did for the Shuttle, but didn't get to a second space flight.
Upon looking at those pictures, apart from a slightly different looking tail section, it looked so rediculously similar to NASA's version that it's not funny, one would think they'd have a more original looking design.
The program was simply too expensive to run.
They did have the Energia heavy lifter which would serve better as a parts mover. With the ISS, there is no need to have the parts mover and people mover to be the same. An exception would be when satellites might need updates and repairs, then the all-in-one shuttle would be nice.
Re:I'm not sure how accurate this statement is.
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I found a hard drive rated at 40,000 spin-ups. If that is true then that spec wouldn't be exceeded in 109 years if you power up once per day.
I really don't see thermal stress top be a big problem. I think the amount of money spent on electricity to keep it on would be more than what the part will be worth in the end anyway.
This is unrelated, but I bought a Motorola Voice / Fax / Modem device once. It went in for service and the audio jacks needed for voice modem use were removed! I can't figure out why they did that other than sheer stupidity. It looked like the jacks were desoldered and the holes taped over with a Motorola logo sticker, so it's not as if they simply sent me the wrong modem back.
All keyboard makers have products with silly add-on buttons for media, internet, etc but I've never noticed one needing to press a button to use an Fxx-key. I'll have to check my wireless Logitech that I bought last year.
I do agree about the drivers, I haven't needed them yet.
I'm not sure what the MediaPlayer thing was, I think the registry key is a serial number but that could be used against the owner.
Nuclear waste doesnt add to the overall cumulative radioactivity of the earth (in fact fission power may actually reduce it)
Uh... in the very long term (think millennia as a lower bound), you are right, but short term, long half life isotopes are converted into a lot of much shorter half life isotopes so you are getting a lot more radiation sooner.
I dunno. 10,000 songs is a _lot_ of music, and people don't seem to understand the magnitude. Assuming five minutes a song, that is over five years of music running non-stop.
If you are really harsh on hardware then an MP3 CD player might be the best route, but I think any CD player is bulky.
If I had to get an MP3 player, I think I would do the iPod route. I don't even have 10GB of music, and I don't want to listen to all the tracks I have, but I would like to use one to be able to move files as well.
I think the problem is that spammers often use computers on residential grade broadband to send out their trash, either on their own dime or from compromised computers.
I agree. My impression is that the original "discoverers" were pretty much fraudsters, much like the Raeleans that sooo claimed to have done human cloning the end of last year. Exactly _where_ are these clone babies? They claimed to say that we'd only need to wait a few weeks to be able to make independent analysis. To me it was mostly about attention. There still were grave problems exhibited in other cloned mammals that needed to be adressed. I shudder to think that process was claimed to have been used on humans. But that is a different issue, but still about human vanity.
My understanding is that after no one else managed to replicate the results, the original discoverers wouldn't even allow their materials and equipment to be tested and analyzed by others. So tell me, _who_ has the pride? The scientific method was used to put it to the test, and the cold fusioners failed the test.
Re:Not an Athlon64, but an Opteron
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I don't know how this fits with your listing, but it looks like there might be another derivative budget chip at or below A64 that might not have a 64 bit mode at all:
AMD to ship Athlon 64s as Athlon XPs
I do find it amusing that people are commenting how good something is or is not before the damn product has been released, particularly when there is so little hard information on what it will really amount to.
So far one difficulty I see is the lack of Hammer boards that have AGP _and_ PCI-X slots or at least 64 bit/66MHz PCI slots, and they commented on this in that review last I checked. I think part of the assumption was that because these systems are for servers, AGP isn't needed, or if AGP is needed, it was assumed that PCI I/O slots weren't that critical.
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One thing to watch out for is that not all of the new chips will be 64 bit. There will still be a few performance grades, and the lowest and most common at the start will probably not run the new instructions, and I think will only run a single channel memory bus.
I am looking forward to seeing what systems come out, and also Intel's Prescott systems, so that the existing Athlons and P4s will come down in price.
The Shuttle mini-box systems look good on paper but I don't understand how they can claim their CPU heat pipe system makes things any quieter. Of the two such systems I've seen in real live, it seems to me that they've put the loudest fans they can find onto the radiator to more than offset any accoustical savings they might have had. Oh well.
You are right if your assumptions turn out to be true. The problem is that there aren't any good details on this three country deal, if it is even a deal.
One thing to keep in mind is that Microsoft's actions also subvert free market quite a bit IMO, I would question if there _is_ a free market for OS software, especially when all the competitors, even the free ones, can't muster ten percent combined. If the _real_ OS choices for most people are W2k, XP and coming sometime this decade, Longhorn then it _is_ time for governments to step in and start funding new alternatives or improvements for existing alternatives.
As it is, the governments really don't seem effective in curtailing the monopolist actions
I think all of the workstation line has Linux available, but the price is the same in the low end of the line, or in the case of the bigger ones, more expensive.
The P4 xw4100 would be one I would generally recommend, unless you need a 2-way system, then you get into the Xeon line with the xw6000 model if you don't need 64 bit PCI, xw8000 if you do.
It is expensive but in my opinion these things are pretty well designed, and include on-site next business day support for three years.
I just bought a used Compaq predecessor of the last one, the W8000 and I am pleased with it.
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I am curious to learn why. Last time I've seen comparisons (it might be at AnandTech), a 2.0GHz Xeon with 2MB cache compared well with the 2.8Xeon with only 512k, and I think both had the same FSB.
The pinouts are different anyway. I _think_ the P4 is capable of two-way operation but I haven't seen any dual P4 mainboards, I think I have seen it on some chipset spec sheets.
I agree. There is a lot of fragmentation and politiking.
Also, my impression is that people don't think it is worthwhile. I had an uncle that said that for much of his uses, it doesn't speed up normal web surfing as much as he thought it should have. He clearly understood that long downloads were quicker, but he's not much of a downloader. Right now, my only option is satellite internet and given the prices, we aren't jumping in very soon that I can tell. I offered to pay half, half for my use and half for business use.
Another problem is that for one reason or another, broadband companies had a tendency to tank or be bought out and there's only so much jerking around of the customer base that they will tolerate.
I had a black Natural, which I think was hard to find. It was kind of the surfboard variety but it was nice.
The problem is that people with smaller fingers couldn't use them well. It works great for long fingered folk though.
I also like the Natural Elite, and Logitech had some similar designs but the home/end/pg up/pg dn/del/ins keypad was different so it takes getting used to when switching between them.
Some people refer to NASCAR racing as stock car racing.
I can see that done. One can desolder all the connectors and resolder them to the back side. One doesn't need adaptor cables if you can get new connectors or some how flip the existing ribbon cable's connector around to make up for the pin reordering.
I think it helps to have a properly PC compatible display with wireless KB and mouse.
XBox does sound kind of nifty though, particularly for the relatively compact size and the cost.
IIRC, the particulates wash out with plain old rain.
A lot of the extra junk a diesel puts out is actually because of what goes in. Clinton signed an executive order requiring better refining of diesel fuel, but unfortunately GWB cancelled it before it went into effect.
Don't throw water on the beerputer parade!
You still have to guard against several things. For one, accidental deletion, controller failure, power failure, power spikes, catastrophes etc.
So one RAID with some form of journalling, on each continent with proper power regulation might suffice. That's a lot of money and a lot of power.
For static data, I would think that an twice-annual fresh re-backup on a write-once media would be best for long term archives, starting out with several backups of course. That way even if the previous backup might go bad, you can go to a different disc or back to older backups.
The last round of virii got mention on at least one of my local newspapers.
The reason SARS and Ebola gets mention is because it really affects some of people's deepest fears of dying by horrible disease. Computers don't really affect people, it's a tool at best and computers usually don't kill or harm people.
People need to realize that not everyone _can_ update to SP2 or whatever to install the RPC patch (which they'd get infected before the download finishes anyway. Believe it or not, the vast majority of humanity doesn't have broadband. Computers aren't that important. Both Windows and the Internet do take a lot of time to learn, forget mastry, and like many other technologies, I am still not convinced that the "net" benefit to humanity is a positive.
Thankfully the Soviets didn't put them on their N-1 rocket:
N-1 rocket
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h ttp://spacedaily.com/news/russia-space-general-01 m.html
They built two and almost had a third done.
They had equally grand plans as NASA did for the Shuttle, but didn't get to a second space flight.
Upon looking at those pictures, apart from a slightly different looking tail section, it looked so rediculously similar to NASA's version that it's not funny, one would think they'd have a more original looking design.
The program was simply too expensive to run.
They did have the Energia heavy lifter which would serve better as a parts mover. With the ISS, there is no need to have the parts mover and people mover to be the same. An exception would be when satellites might need updates and repairs, then the all-in-one shuttle would be nice.
I found a hard drive rated at 40,000 spin-ups. If that is true then that spec wouldn't be exceeded in 109 years if you power up once per day.
I really don't see thermal stress top be a big problem. I think the amount of money spent on electricity to keep it on would be more than what the part will be worth in the end anyway.
This is unrelated, but I bought a Motorola Voice / Fax / Modem device once. It went in for service and the audio jacks needed for voice modem use were removed! I can't figure out why they did that other than sheer stupidity. It looked like the jacks were desoldered and the holes taped over with a Motorola logo sticker, so it's not as if they simply sent me the wrong modem back.
All keyboard makers have products with silly add-on buttons for media, internet, etc but I've never noticed one needing to press a button to use an Fxx-key. I'll have to check my wireless Logitech that I bought last year.
I do agree about the drivers, I haven't needed them yet.
I'm not sure what the MediaPlayer thing was, I think the registry key is a serial number but that could be used against the owner.
Nuclear waste doesnt add to the overall cumulative radioactivity of the earth (in fact fission power may actually reduce it)
Uh... in the very long term (think millennia as a lower bound), you are right, but short term, long half life isotopes are converted into a lot of much shorter half life isotopes so you are getting a lot more radiation sooner.
I dunno. 10,000 songs is a _lot_ of music, and people don't seem to understand the magnitude. Assuming five minutes a song, that is over five years of music running non-stop.
If you are really harsh on hardware then an MP3 CD player might be the best route, but I think any CD player is bulky.
If I had to get an MP3 player, I think I would do the iPod route. I don't even have 10GB of music, and I don't want to listen to all the tracks I have, but I would like to use one to be able to move files as well.
I think the problem is that spammers often use computers on residential grade broadband to send out their trash, either on their own dime or from compromised computers.
I agree. My impression is that the original "discoverers" were pretty much fraudsters, much like the Raeleans that sooo claimed to have done human cloning the end of last year. Exactly _where_ are these clone babies? They claimed to say that we'd only need to wait a few weeks to be able to make independent analysis. To me it was mostly about attention. There still were grave problems exhibited in other cloned mammals that needed to be adressed. I shudder to think that process was claimed to have been used on humans. But that is a different issue, but still about human vanity.
My understanding is that after no one else managed to replicate the results, the original discoverers wouldn't even allow their materials and equipment to be tested and analyzed by others. So tell me, _who_ has the pride? The scientific method was used to put it to the test, and the cold fusioners failed the test.
I don't know how this fits with your listing, but it looks like there might be another derivative budget chip at or below A64 that might not have a 64 bit mode at all:
AMD to ship Athlon 64s as Athlon XPs
I do find it amusing that people are commenting how good something is or is not before the damn product has been released, particularly when there is so little hard information on what it will really amount to.
So far one difficulty I see is the lack of Hammer boards that have AGP _and_ PCI-X slots or at least 64 bit/66MHz PCI slots, and they commented on this in that review last I checked. I think part of the assumption was that because these systems are for servers, AGP isn't needed, or if AGP is needed, it was assumed that PCI I/O slots weren't that critical.
One thing to watch out for is that not all of the new chips will be 64 bit. There will still be a few performance grades, and the lowest and most common at the start will probably not run the new instructions, and I think will only run a single channel memory bus.
I am looking forward to seeing what systems come out, and also Intel's Prescott systems, so that the existing Athlons and P4s will come down in price.
The Shuttle mini-box systems look good on paper but I don't understand how they can claim their CPU heat pipe system makes things any quieter. Of the two such systems I've seen in real live, it seems to me that they've put the loudest fans they can find onto the radiator to more than offset any accoustical savings they might have had. Oh well.
You are right if your assumptions turn out to be true. The problem is that there aren't any good details on this three country deal, if it is even a deal.
One thing to keep in mind is that Microsoft's actions also subvert free market quite a bit IMO, I would question if there _is_ a free market for OS software, especially when all the competitors, even the free ones, can't muster ten percent combined. If the _real_ OS choices for most people are W2k, XP and coming sometime this decade, Longhorn then it _is_ time for governments to step in and start funding new alternatives or improvements for existing alternatives.
As it is, the governments really don't seem effective in curtailing the monopolist actions
I think all of the workstation line has Linux available, but the price is the same in the low end of the line, or in the case of the bigger ones, more expensive.
The P4 xw4100 would be one I would generally recommend, unless you need a 2-way system, then you get into the Xeon line with the xw6000 model if you don't need 64 bit PCI, xw8000 if you do.
It is expensive but in my opinion these things are pretty well designed, and include on-site next business day support for three years.
I just bought a used Compaq predecessor of the last one, the W8000 and I am pleased with it.