"Gnome has a lot of positive points, but I like KDE better. It's a bit faster, for one thing. And it has better development tools for generating applications."
Ahh, there's nothing I like better than anecdotal arguments for one over the other. Exactly how is KDE faster? The window manager? The file manager? The application libraries? There's so many variables here I don't know how anyone could say one is faster than the other. Perhaps you meant "Qt is faster than Gtk+" (which is probably true)?.
And how does it have better development tools? Both are pretty developer friendly in my opinion (though I'm pretty biased towards Gnome development). Gnome had glade/libglade a long time before Qt designer came along. KDevelop is a moot point since many prefer not to use it, and KDevelop supports Gnome anyways (or so it says, I haven't verified this myself unfortunately).
For what it's worth, I'd say that Gnome is more popular with developers than KDE.
<useless statistics>
Freshmeat software map:
KDE projects: 359 Gnome projects: 398
Sourceforge software map:
KDE projects: 80 Gnome projects: 129
</useless statistics>
What does this mean? Not much, except that you probably can't say KDE is more developer friendly than Gnome (unless the developer is strongly C++ or C biased).
BTW, what "small details" are you referring to with Gtk+ programming? Gtk+ may look intimidating at first, but once you get the glib/gtk+ philosophy it makes sense and you'll find yourself predicting the APIs.
Same story here pretty much (in Vadnais Heights, Twin Cities suburb). Did you get the same lame red "I voted" sticker? I'm really dissapointed with the sticker.
Galeon (galeon.sourceforge.net) based on the mozilla browser so it renders nicely, missing some important features at the moment (cookies, ssl), but under heavy development
For the record, Galeon does support SSL.
1) Install PSM in Mozilla as root
2) cd/usr/lib/mozilla/psm ; chmod go+w components
And it should then automatically work in Galeon.
(something we should probably add to the FAQ)
I would help win the war on drugs to make our children safe.
2) Minority Religions...
My aunt is Wiccan, so I can sympathize with minority religions. I've considered Buddhism.
3) Why give a tax cut?
Tax cut? Bahahaha. Sure, if you're married, have kids, and make next to nothing, I'll give you a tax cut.
I want to continue to hike taxes, especially for the upper-middle class (who we call wealthy), so that we can continue to waste money in our already oversized government.
4) electoral reform
The system works, we aren't gonna do anything that would allow 3rd parties to get elected. Keeping the two parties in power is a strategic goal.
5)How Do You Feel About Intellectual Property?
I actually took the initiative in sponsoring the term Intellectual Property to Congress in 1985. It's very important and I'll do everything I can to protect the rights of innovators.
6) Encryption....
I am a big supporter of encryption to protect our (and our children's) privacy. However, you must first get your encryption cleared with us first to ensure you don't sacrifice national security.
If you elect me as your next President the very first Bill I pass is to grant more money to the NSA for encryption research.
This is simply not true. Nothing official of this sort was confirmed, though there were rumors that the Sonic team may develop for the Gamecube (some truth to that I'm sure).
I would have to agree with just about everything you've said. Everywhere people are praising Microsoft Word and hoping it will come to Linux.
As a Linux user (and programmer) who has to use NT at work, and occasionally MS Word for specifications, proposals, etc. - I hate having to use Word. There are tons of little features that you never use, and it sometimes haunts you.
Lots of operations depend on the position of the mouse over an area where even moving 1 pixel changes the mouse cursor and the operation. I am very often frustrated trying to get things done (obviously I'd be better with it if I used it everyday, but that's not the point)
Granted, many of these problems are Word's fault, but I think trying to support so many features in a WYSIWYG editor will yield exactly these results. LaTeX is looking better everyday.
Why is this on Slashdot? It may be interesting to some, but for many others it's just liberal trolling. There was one blurb about tech about computing a better tax code.
For the past few days Slashdot has been posting political articles, favoring Gore for the most part (Hemos and Taco have made it clear they prefer Gore). This has really gotten out of hand. Is anyone else as annoyed as I am?
It's obvious that they've made an attempt to disguise the political articles as tech-related, but what it really boils down to is trying to push their opinions on us. I don't think I'm being overly conspirical, and I don't think Taco/Hemos intended to really sway the vote here.. but it does seem blatantly irresponsible.
"Did it ever occur to you that the ideas of the third parties are simply rejected by the mass majority of people? I love it; if no one like your candidate, then it must be the system's fault."
Of course it occured to me, but it became immediately obvious that it is indeed the system at fault here.
I keep seeing this "it's not throwing your vote away" arguments, often times very harshly.. it seems the 3rd party people hate that line religiously.
Also, the "vote for who you want to win".. a nice theory, but again you don't explain why this is the best solution.
I'm still not convinced on voting 3rd party, even after all the arguments I've heard here. Yes, there are matter of principal effects that it can have, and maybe, just maybe, Republicrats inspect why people vote 3rd party. However, I still don't see anything concrete to go on. The Republicans, watching Nader's vote go up in the polls, are LAUGHING, loving it, because they know where those votes are coming from. If Browne had as much support as Nader, the Democrats would be doing the same thing.
First of all I'd just like to thank you for the intelligent reply.
"Voting for someone you're pretty sure won't win isn't "throwing your vote away." A poster on Slashdot long ago said "It's not a horse race." You're choosing who you think is the best person for the job, not "the lesser of two evils.""
In my opinion (and I'm sure many disagree), Browne is the best person for the job, and Bush is the lesser of the two evils (strangely enough, I've seen many say the same for Nader/Gore). But, can you explain why it isn't throwing my vote away? Or why we shouldn't vote for the lesser of two evils?
"You, and the rest of the country, have more than two choices for President, Governor, House and Senate members, etc. It's just the largest two parties have done a good enough job of skewing the electoral system in their favour that other voices almost never get a chance to be heard"
Yes, I'm very aware of this.. and it disgusts me.
"I suppose that Jesse Ventura guy in Minnesota doesn't exist - after all, he's not a Republican or Democrat, so Minnesota voters must have thrown their votes away. "
As it happens, I'm a Minnesota resident. Minnesota is generally known to be a liberal state, so my vote for Bush may be as equally futile as it is for Browne (I sound like I'm on your side now, heh).
"Even if your favoured candidate loses, your vote shows there are some people who believe a candidate is right. The more people who vote their conscience rather than just stay home because "it doesn't matter," the more it proves to others that non-Republicrats might be worth listening to"
If my favored candidate loses (i.e, Gore wins), I'm doomed to further expansion of the government, more programs, more taxes, etc. This seems to be an issue of principal versus practical effects. I'm still finding it difficult to see positive practical effects of voting 3rd party.
However, I'm only 19.. and though I thought I was final in my decision to vote for Bush, your post has forced me to re-consider [again - I already went through this Browne vs. Bush thing in my head before]..
Well, I guess we're in agreement that a preferential voting system is necessary?
I'm aware that it will be extremely difficult to get the Republicrats to pass a bill that would essentially result in them losing power, but it must happen.
I dunno, I feel a little helpless, and voting 3rd party won't satisfy me.. I'm not buying into this whole "voting for them gives them more power" thing.
Sorry, but that kind of so-called protest will get you nowhere. It's impractical.
The problem you're trying to solve is giving 3rd party candidates not having a chance. The solution is not throwing away your vote every 4 years for the same lost cause, but instead the solution is (somehow) getting a preferential voting system.
I'd really like to vote for Browne, but it doesn't make sense if he has no chance.
I didn't use the term "elite" as in 31337, I used it as it was originally meant to.. meaning more exclusive and fewer people. Obviously at this time, the signal to noise ratio was better and the average slashdotter knew more. It's a simple fact, not riding the tendency to believe the past is better.
Slashdot Mirror
Ok, i'll bite.
"Gnome has a lot of positive points, but I like KDE better. It's a bit faster, for one thing. And it has better development tools for generating applications."
Ahh, there's nothing I like better than anecdotal arguments for one over the other. Exactly how is KDE faster? The window manager? The file manager? The application libraries? There's so many variables here I don't know how anyone could say one is faster than the other. Perhaps you meant "Qt is faster than Gtk+" (which is probably true)?.
And how does it have better development tools? Both are pretty developer friendly in my opinion (though I'm pretty biased towards Gnome development). Gnome had glade/libglade a long time before Qt designer came along. KDevelop is a moot point since many prefer not to use it, and KDevelop supports Gnome anyways (or so it says, I haven't verified this myself unfortunately).
For what it's worth, I'd say that Gnome is more popular with developers than KDE.
<useless statistics>
Freshmeat software map:
KDE projects: 359
Gnome projects: 398
Sourceforge software map:
KDE projects: 80
Gnome projects: 129
</useless statistics>
What does this mean? Not much, except that you probably can't say KDE is more developer friendly than Gnome (unless the developer is strongly C++ or C biased).
BTW, what "small details" are you referring to with Gtk+ programming? Gtk+ may look intimidating at first, but once you get the glib/gtk+ philosophy it makes sense and you'll find yourself predicting the APIs.
I am very impressed with PR2 over PR1.. it's much more polished and solid. It seems more responsive and quick as well..
I have to agree with you -- my only complaint after playing with it for awhile is the time it takes to open new windows...
Same story here pretty much (in Vadnais Heights, Twin Cities suburb). Did you get the same lame red "I voted" sticker? I'm really dissapointed with the sticker.
heh... and there were no exit pollsters..
Galeon (galeon.sourceforge.net) based on the mozilla browser so it renders nicely, missing some important features at the moment (cookies, ssl), but under heavy development
/usr/lib/mozilla/psm ; chmod go+w components
For the record, Galeon does support SSL.
1) Install PSM in Mozilla as root
2) cd
And it should then automatically work in Galeon.
(something we should probably add to the FAQ)
1) War on Drugs
I would help win the war on drugs to make our children safe.
2) Minority Religions...
My aunt is Wiccan, so I can sympathize with minority religions. I've considered Buddhism.
3) Why give a tax cut?
Tax cut? Bahahaha. Sure, if you're married, have kids, and make next to nothing, I'll give you a tax cut.
I want to continue to hike taxes, especially for the upper-middle class (who we call wealthy), so that we can continue to waste money in our already oversized government.
4) electoral reform
The system works, we aren't gonna do anything that would allow 3rd parties to get elected. Keeping the two parties in power is a strategic goal.
5)How Do You Feel About Intellectual Property?
I actually took the initiative in sponsoring the term Intellectual Property to Congress in 1985. It's very important and I'll do everything I can to protect the rights of innovators.
6) Encryption....
I am a big supporter of encryption to protect our (and our children's) privacy. However, you must first get your encryption cleared with us first to ensure you don't sacrifice national security.
If you elect me as your next President the very first Bill I pass is to grant more money to the NSA for encryption research.
7) Rising Political Protests
(no answer)
8) Asteroid Defenses
Yes, yes I would.
9) The Future of the Country, and of Humanity
Buy my book.
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Well, at least that's my best guess.
This is simply not true. Nothing official of this sort was confirmed, though there were rumors that the Sonic team may develop for the Gamecube (some truth to that I'm sure).
It wouldn't.
Submit a write-up of what happens here, and if it's interesting I'm sure they'll post it.
I would have to agree with just about everything you've said. Everywhere people are praising Microsoft Word and hoping it will come to Linux.
As a Linux user (and programmer) who has to use NT at work, and occasionally MS Word for specifications, proposals, etc. - I hate having to use Word. There are tons of little features that you never use, and it sometimes haunts you.
Lots of operations depend on the position of the mouse over an area where even moving 1 pixel changes the mouse cursor and the operation. I am very often frustrated trying to get things done (obviously I'd be better with it if I used it everyday, but that's not the point)
Granted, many of these problems are Word's fault, but I think trying to support so many features in a WYSIWYG editor will yield exactly these results. LaTeX is looking better everyday.
I didn't ask "why was *I* shown this story", I asked why was this here at ALL in the first place.
Think before you post.
Why is this on Slashdot? It may be interesting to some, but for many others it's just liberal trolling. There was one blurb about tech about computing a better tax code.
For the past few days Slashdot has been posting political articles, favoring Gore for the most part (Hemos and Taco have made it clear they prefer Gore). This has really gotten out of hand. Is anyone else as annoyed as I am?
It's obvious that they've made an attempt to disguise the political articles as tech-related, but what it really boils down to is trying to push their opinions on us. I don't think I'm being overly conspirical, and I don't think Taco/Hemos intended to really sway the vote here.. but it does seem blatantly irresponsible.
Finally, a reasonable argument for voting 3rd party I can relate to!
Thank you very much. I am now seriously considering voting Browne over Bush (not being sarcastic).
"Did it ever occur to you that the ideas of the third parties are simply rejected by the mass majority of people? I love it; if no one like your candidate, then it must be the system's fault."
Of course it occured to me, but it became immediately obvious that it is indeed the system at fault here.
Oh boy, here we go..
I keep seeing this "it's not throwing your vote away" arguments, often times very harshly.. it seems the 3rd party people hate that line religiously.
Also, the "vote for who you want to win".. a nice theory, but again you don't explain why this is the best solution.
I'm still not convinced on voting 3rd party, even after all the arguments I've heard here. Yes, there are matter of principal effects that it can have, and maybe, just maybe, Republicrats inspect why people vote 3rd party. However, I still don't see anything concrete to go on. The Republicans, watching Nader's vote go up in the polls, are LAUGHING, loving it, because they know where those votes are coming from. If Browne had as much support as Nader, the Democrats would be doing the same thing.
Why, thank you for such a well thought out response..
Um, it may not really be my team.. but it's the team that matches MUCH MUCH more closely with mine.
First of all I'd just like to thank you for the intelligent reply.
"Voting for someone you're pretty sure won't win isn't "throwing your vote away." A poster on Slashdot long ago said "It's not a horse race." You're choosing who you think is the best person for the job, not "the lesser of two evils.""
In my opinion (and I'm sure many disagree), Browne is the best person for the job, and Bush is the lesser of the two evils (strangely enough, I've seen many say the same for Nader/Gore). But, can you explain why it isn't throwing my vote away? Or why we shouldn't vote for the lesser of two evils?
"You, and the rest of the country, have more than two choices for President, Governor, House and Senate members, etc. It's just the largest two parties have done a good enough job of skewing the electoral system in their favour that other voices almost never get a chance to be heard"
Yes, I'm very aware of this.. and it disgusts me.
"I suppose that Jesse Ventura guy in Minnesota doesn't exist - after all, he's not a Republican or Democrat, so Minnesota voters must have thrown their votes away. "
As it happens, I'm a Minnesota resident. Minnesota is generally known to be a liberal state, so my vote for Bush may be as equally futile as it is for Browne (I sound like I'm on your side now, heh).
"Even if your favoured candidate loses, your vote shows there are some people who believe a candidate is right. The more people who vote their conscience rather than just stay home because "it doesn't matter," the more it proves to others that non-Republicrats might be worth listening to"
If my favored candidate loses (i.e, Gore wins), I'm doomed to further expansion of the government, more programs, more taxes, etc. This seems to be an issue of principal versus practical effects. I'm still finding it difficult to see positive practical effects of voting 3rd party.
However, I'm only 19.. and though I thought I was final in my decision to vote for Bush, your post has forced me to re-consider [again - I already went through this Browne vs. Bush thing in my head before]..
Well, I guess we're in agreement that a preferential voting system is necessary?
I'm aware that it will be extremely difficult to get the Republicrats to pass a bill that would essentially result in them losing power, but it must happen.
I dunno, I feel a little helpless, and voting 3rd party won't satisfy me.. I'm not buying into this whole "voting for them gives them more power" thing.
The problem you're trying to solve is giving 3rd party candidates not having a chance
ignore the "giving".. editing error.
Sorry, but that kind of so-called protest will get you nowhere. It's impractical.
The problem you're trying to solve is giving 3rd party candidates not having a chance. The solution is not throwing away your vote every 4 years for the same lost cause, but instead the solution is (somehow) getting a preferential voting system.
I'd really like to vote for Browne, but it doesn't make sense if he has no chance.
I do. It's really not that difficult if you know C, though I learned Pascal first (language of choice in the BBS world).
And anyone who used TurboVision in BP/TP7 will have no problem with Delphi/Object Pascal. It's really powerful.
OS/2
Do yourself a favor, don't read the comments.. it's just going to piss you off -- with cluelessness being at an all time high around here.
Then again, it doesn't help when there's wrong assumptions and statements in the article summary itself.
I didn't use the term "elite" as in 31337, I used it as it was originally meant to.. meaning more exclusive and fewer people. Obviously at this time, the signal to noise ratio was better and the average slashdotter knew more. It's a simple fact, not riding the tendency to believe the past is better.
Oh please, who doesn't know CD-ROMs can't read DVDs? Sheesh, I realize Slashdot isn't as "elite" as it used to be, but that's common sense.
Read my reply to the previous post. I appreciate your attempt at being helpful/informative (possibly karma whoring), but it's misguided.
Sorry if this sounded hostile, but I just get so frustrated with Slashdot nowadays.
Umm, I never said you can read a DVD on a standard CD-ROM.
I am not wrong, I am not an idiot. It's all in how you interpret the quote I posted.
Think of it like this:
"(CD-ROM and iso9660) ("isofs") filesystem support", not (CD-ROM) and (iso9660 filesystem support).
Not difficult, though I can see how it wouldn't make sense if you interpret it wrong.