Judging by your sig you're some idiotic little libertarian whining and weeping about the world from your parent's basement, and I can only presume the reason you foam at the mouth at word "strawmen" is because you basically use them a lot and get called on them. But you still don't seem to understand what they are. So hows about this, go get your GED, maybe take some courses at a community college in philosophy, then come back and maybe you'll recognize what they are, and won't embarass yourself whining about them again.
Dude. You're the one who got owned. Does this make you feel better?
See, there you go, you cum-guzzling pillow-biter. You have realized that in this anonymous forum full of nobodies, where no meaningfull decision is ever made, you can say things that would get your ass kicked in real life.
So, getting back to my point of nothing here matters, drop the pretentious pointing out of argument fallacies. It's boring to read.
Besides, I just think you're taking your anger out on me because you got owned by benhocking, blugill, and atzanteol. Pointing out argument fallacies is so smug it's begging for a beat down from those with contrary information.
Ah, the idiotic strawman of the pro-nuclear crowd rears its head again
Gaaaaccckkk. I want to go back in time and delete the article everyone read 5 years ago about argument fallacies. Everyday some pompous self-righteous ass comes along and tries to discredit his opponent using them, and half the time- like you- they get shot down in five posts or less.
Remember that nothing said on slashdot or any other message board ever matters at all. Knowing that, keep your fucking 'argument fallacies' to yourself and just argue.
And yours is better? Again, blind to your own faults whilst you criticise the same in others.
In this sub-thread, neither of us have said anything of any substance. Difference is, I admit it & am upfront about it. You've chosen the pompous academic route.
The problem you describe is self correcting. If the place is still open and being added to, that allows for monitoring of the older casks for degradation.
No, I assure you that I stated exactly what I meant, calling you nuanced with sarcastic sneer quotes. The statement was intended to mock you for establishing different rules for yourself and your argumentative opponents. Pulling out the dictionary and trying to define what 'is' is won't erase your contradiction.
It's obvious that you're literate, I wouldn't go bragging about it. Everyone who posts on slashdot is capable of reading.
Now, in your case, what I question is the quality of what you've been reading, the logical or illogical steps that lead you to your position, and your tendancy to attack people when you perceive the same dogmatism in them that you harbor.
Beyond that, you've posted little of value to the discussion, mostly calling out people on the way they decide to argue. I've done the same for you. You've posted nothing of substance to discuss further.
Oh, and it's rather fanciful to think Only the protests, and the sensible chord they strike in most Americans, hold the politicians back from throwing us back fullscale into the bad old days of unquestioned nuclear development.
More often than not, the people who get out there with poorly spelled signs, cute rhyming chants, effigies, and nothing really constructive to add to the debate are detested. They're activists for activism's sake, and their protests are merely circle-jerks so they can congratulate themselves for 'speaking truth to power.' Nuclear energy is a convienent topic for these 'cranks.' I know very few people who think that any of today's protesters are worth a damn. Perhaps they were useful at one point, but that point is long past.
Despite all that you mentioned, my nuke plant is in a deregulated market, selling electricity to anyone who will buy. And we're raking in the dough hand over fist.
I don't believe I can give specifics out, but for my 1,206 MWe plant- Seabrook station- the economics are quite attractive. What it cost for Florida Power & Light to buy the place will be made back in profits in a time frame short enough for any investor with a little bit of patience.
You're absolutely right, the day to day operation and maintence of the nuke plant is very expensive. On the other hand, the fuel is dirt cheap per million BTU's. Actually, if you want to call 'coal' dirt, then we're far cheaper than dirt.
We also pay into a fund to securely store our used nuclear fuel, and have a fund set up for the eventual decommisioning of the plant. As far as I'm aware ( I could be wrong), no government subsidies were paid to Westinghouse to develop and pre-license the AP600/1000 nuke plants they're eager to build.
... abandon any physical presence in France, and give them the big middle finger.
Of course, they'd have to weigh the money they gain from having a presence in france vs money lost to lawsuits like this- this one judgement doesn't seem like that much in the grand scheme of things, but many like it would be problematic.
Personally, I think that if Vitton is too much of a pussy to handle a little competition, that's his problem, not googles.
The Main Plant Computer System at my nuke plant doesn't actually do anything but monitor system parameters. It cannot cause the plant to do anything. It's very handy, but not vital to safety at all. I'd imagine other plants are set up the same.
Solid state logic systems do run the safety systems, but there's no way to interface with them besides the physical controls that are directly connected to them.
Normally sane, sober people can pick them up in a fit of rage or mental unbalance (like if their lover has left them, or they lost their job), and kill someone before they realise what's happened.
Not true. Humans have a very high naturual resistance to killing their own kind, and in fact modern military training goes to great pains to condition this resistance out of our soldiers. I've just finished reading this, and reccomend you do the same if you're really interested in the subject. At the very least, the excerpts amazon offers are insightful.
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...New Jersey's police are not exempted from this law. IIRC, they currently are, reflecting their confidence in the functionality of these weapons.
When a gun has to work, it really has to work. This is true in the hands of private citizens or police officers. The two seconds it takes for the computer to boot up and you to find the right spot on the grip, or whatever, may be one second too long.
Most anyone who uses guns will tell you that the most important safety is the one in your head. This includes storing firearms appropriately and schooling your children in proper handling of them.
If New Jersey is so hell-bent on reducing accidental deaths, they'd be better off banning swimming pools or doctors, as they kill far many more people accidentally- or purposely, for that matter- than guns do.
We've all read how to get past biometric security- sometimes fingerprint pads wear so much they take any fingerprint, or pictures used for iris scanners, or rings can be taken from their owners. On the other hand, Metal Storm's technology is incredibly cool. I just don't want anyone telling me I have to use it. (And in NH, I don't!)
Yeah, how did humanity ever survive the dark ages of the early 1900's when we didn't have some fucking nanny-state telling us not to use something we shouldn't eat in components we won't eat, or eat off of?
When was the last time you were served a meal on an old motherboard, or had IC's for an appetizer? Maybe you've used an old heatsink as a lollipop?
So... war is a job? It's called duty, and along with words like honor, integrity, and commitment they're used by men better than you and I in a life spent defending something.
"The death of Iraqi civilians in this war roughly equals the deaths brought by the Indian Ocean tsunami."
Sure, if you make up numbers. The one study that said the count was up to 100,000 was discredited as using a statistical method in the worst, most innaccurate way possible. You bother to quote me a study that says 100k, and I'll show it's crap really fast.
But you, sir, you are part of the oppression, and job or not, you are responsible for your acts.
I find it hard to beleive there are people out there who can say this with a straight face. The people out there our soldiers are putting down are the type who murder iraqi election workers in broad daylight. They're the type that are stepping up the violence every day we move closer to letting iraqis vote for their own future. They're the type that capture truck drivers and aid workers and execute them on videotape for all of us to see.
You sick fuck. How dare you call our soldiers the oppressors, when all that fights them obviosly wants a return to the brutal baathism or worse of Saddam's time?
I'm full of respect for professional soldiers who risk their lives to protect civilian populations from the tyranny of oppression.
You're so full of shit. You've grown up in some nice little suburb insulated from the true evil that exists in the world. Never in your life have you had to face real evil, or even a reflection of it, and you've let it's abscence skew your idea of what evil is.
You're like some kid who grew up with a hyper-clean mom disinfecting everything in sight, playing video games all day, and never had their body exposed to any actual virusses, diseases or bacteria. You've developed asthma and hay fever, because your immune system mistakes innoculous particles for dangerous ones, having never actually fought a malicious microbe.
And your sneezing is ending up all over slashdot. The hallmark of modern liberalism is the inability to acknowledge, much less confront, actual evil.
This is why you're fucking silent when UN troops go raping every child in sight that they're supposed to protect. This is why you're silent when a muslim woman who is raped is later executed for having sex outside of marriage. This is why you were fucking quiet when saddam gassed the kurds.
Oh, but the US kills someone who was too fucking near a hideout of scum when it was bombed, and you and your buddies make up the signs and dumb little chants and go protest in front of the Washington momument.
Fuck you, and everything you stand for. If the world was left for the likes of you to run, we'd be overrun by 7th centurary barbarians in no time.
Biodiesel, anyway you look at it, is indirect solar energy.(The same could be said for fossil fuels, but it's billions of years of built up solar energy) Moreover, if demand increases, the components will become more sparse and expensive.
IIRC, there was an article a while ago about how someone was making biodiesel for something like $0.30 a gallon, but he was getting all kinds of used resturaunt fat for free- and it wouldn't be free for very long if it becomes an ingredient in widely used fuel.
Moreover, for the part of it that is directly plant based, we already use tremendous amounts of water to make the food we eat, and adding all the farms required to make any substantial amount of biodiesel would use up an incredible amount of water.
As far as I can tell, biodiesel is a novel and sometimes cheap form of fuel for a few hobbyists. Given what's needed to make biodiesel, however, I don't see how it could ever approach being even 1% of the fuel we use nationwide.
Hehe You're funny. You must have named yourself 'leftie' because you're doing your best to be an absurd charicture of leftists, who are already batshit crazy lately. Quite amusing, really.
Well, there's no point in discussing anything further with you. No ground would be made.
Oh yeah, Occam called. He wants you to try his razor out.
HOW COULD HE KNOW 60 MINUTES WOULD BE SO FUCKING STUPID AS TO USE THEM? I mean, really, who would underestimate their enemies so low? Wouldn't someone planning on some complex double intrigue at least give their targets some credit as to have the slightest fucking clue? Have you seen just how bad these forgeries are?
IIRC, Bill Blunkett made them, crumbled them up, straightened them out, and ran then on a copier a couple dozen times. Then he gave them to CBS, whose apparently institutional hatred of Bush blinded them to the obvious problems with these documents, and put them on the air. And then made complete asses of themselves tryin to defend said documents.
And the only proof of these were forged documents attributed to a dead mean and the thirty year old memories of a geriatric ex-secretary pool typist who hates Bush.
How, exactly, did they establish these 'facts' that they got 'right'?
Get over it. Even if it was true, no one planning to vote for Bush would have given a shit.
142 comments and no mention of blogger's biggest kill- perhaps when their importance was proven beyond a doubt.
I'm sure you'll all remember that a week or two before the election, Dan Rather went on 60 minutes with a story about how Bush allegedly got special treatment when he was in the air national guard. To prove this, CBS posted PDF's of supporting memos, 'from' the 70's, on their website.
Within hours, someone mentioned on freerepublic that the documents looked like they came from microsoft word.
Over the 12 hours, Littlegreenfootballs.com , with the help of powerlineblog.com blew the lid off the story.
Here's a detailed analysis later put together by a guy who pretty much wrote the book on computer typesetting: Dr. Newcomer
Bloggers showed that CBS had aired a story based on piss-poor forgeries made with MS Word 2003 default settings within hours, and then let so many people know about it so rapidly that there was no turning back for Rather and 60 minutes. His retirement this spring was announced within a month of this fiasco, IIRC.
Now, regardless of what you happen to think of Bush (Dr. Newcomer was a Kerry fan), basing a story on fabricated evidence is inexcusable. Basing it on such obvious forgeries is beyond inexcusable, and reaches into incredibly stupidity.
Bloggers busted 60 minutes on this. Huge story. And I'm suprised I'm the first one posting it.
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Judging by your sig you're some idiotic little libertarian whining and weeping about the world from your parent's basement, and I can only presume the reason you foam at the mouth at word "strawmen" is because you basically use them a lot and get called on them. But you still don't seem to understand what they are. So hows about this, go get your GED, maybe take some courses at a community college in philosophy, then come back and maybe you'll recognize what they are, and won't embarass yourself whining about them again.
Dude. You're the one who got owned. Does this make you feel better?
See, there you go, you cum-guzzling pillow-biter. You have realized that in this anonymous forum full of nobodies, where no meaningfull decision is ever made, you can say things that would get your ass kicked in real life.
So, getting back to my point of nothing here matters, drop the pretentious pointing out of argument fallacies. It's boring to read.
Besides, I just think you're taking your anger out on me because you got owned by benhocking, blugill, and atzanteol. Pointing out argument fallacies is so smug it's begging for a beat down from those with contrary information.
Ah, the idiotic strawman of the pro-nuclear crowd rears its head again
Gaaaaccckkk. I want to go back in time and delete the article everyone read 5 years ago about argument fallacies. Everyday some pompous self-righteous ass comes along and tries to discredit his opponent using them, and half the time- like you- they get shot down in five posts or less.
Remember that nothing said on slashdot or any other message board ever matters at all. Knowing that, keep your fucking 'argument fallacies' to yourself and just argue.
Even your ATF .sig is a stupid joke
And yours is better? Again, blind to your own faults whilst you criticise the same in others.
In this sub-thread, neither of us have said anything of any substance. Difference is, I admit it & am upfront about it. You've chosen the pompous academic route.
The problem you describe is self correcting. If the place is still open and being added to, that allows for monitoring of the older casks for degradation.
No, I assure you that I stated exactly what I meant, calling you nuanced with sarcastic sneer quotes. The statement was intended to mock you for establishing different rules for yourself and your argumentative opponents. Pulling out the dictionary and trying to define what 'is' is won't erase your contradiction.
It's obvious that you're literate, I wouldn't go bragging about it. Everyone who posts on slashdot is capable of reading.
Now, in your case, what I question is the quality of what you've been reading, the logical or illogical steps that lead you to your position, and your tendancy to attack people when you perceive the same dogmatism in them that you harbor.
Beyond that, you've posted little of value to the discussion, mostly calling out people on the way they decide to argue. I've done the same for you. You've posted nothing of substance to discuss further.
Oh, and it's rather fanciful to think Only the protests, and the sensible chord they strike in most Americans, hold the politicians back from throwing us back fullscale into the bad old days of unquestioned nuclear development.
More often than not, the people who get out there with poorly spelled signs, cute rhyming chants, effigies, and nothing really constructive to add to the debate are detested. They're activists for activism's sake, and their protests are merely circle-jerks so they can congratulate themselves for 'speaking truth to power.' Nuclear energy is a convienent topic for these 'cranks.' I know very few people who think that any of today's protesters are worth a damn. Perhaps they were useful at one point, but that point is long past.
How 'nuanced' of you.
Despite all that you mentioned, my nuke plant is in a deregulated market, selling electricity to anyone who will buy. And we're raking in the dough hand over fist.
I don't believe I can give specifics out, but for my 1,206 MWe plant- Seabrook station- the economics are quite attractive. What it cost for Florida Power & Light to buy the place will be made back in profits in a time frame short enough for any investor with a little bit of patience.
You're absolutely right, the day to day operation and maintence of the nuke plant is very expensive. On the other hand, the fuel is dirt cheap per million BTU's. Actually, if you want to call 'coal' dirt, then we're far cheaper than dirt.
We also pay into a fund to securely store our used nuclear fuel, and have a fund set up for the eventual decommisioning of the plant. As far as I'm aware ( I could be wrong), no government subsidies were paid to Westinghouse to develop and pre-license the AP600/1000 nuke plants they're eager to build.
My 2 cents.
Some of the biggest NIMBY/protestors people say that we shouldn't do Yucca because we can't guarantee the integrity of the place for 100,000 years.
Completely ignoring the fact that nuclear waste is as radioactive as the ore it was mined from after about 400 years.
I figure that oughta be good enough, and 400 years is alot easier to promise that 10x the length of recorded human history.
... abandon any physical presence in France, and give them the big middle finger.
Of course, they'd have to weigh the money they gain from having a presence in france vs money lost to lawsuits like this- this one judgement doesn't seem like that much in the grand scheme of things, but many like it would be problematic.
Personally, I think that if Vitton is too much of a pussy to handle a little competition, that's his problem, not googles.
The Main Plant Computer System at my nuke plant doesn't actually do anything but monitor system parameters. It cannot cause the plant to do anything. It's very handy, but not vital to safety at all. I'd imagine other plants are set up the same.
Solid state logic systems do run the safety systems, but there's no way to interface with them besides the physical controls that are directly connected to them.
Normally sane, sober people can pick them up in a fit of rage or mental unbalance (like if their lover has left them, or they lost their job), and kill someone before they realise what's happened.
Not true. Humans have a very high naturual resistance to killing their own kind, and in fact modern military training goes to great pains to condition this resistance out of our soldiers. I've just finished reading this, and reccomend you do the same if you're really interested in the subject. At the very least, the excerpts amazon offers are insightful.
...New Jersey's police are not exempted from this law. IIRC, they currently are, reflecting their confidence in the functionality of these weapons.
When a gun has to work, it really has to work. This is true in the hands of private citizens or police officers. The two seconds it takes for the computer to boot up and you to find the right spot on the grip, or whatever, may be one second too long.
Most anyone who uses guns will tell you that the most important safety is the one in your head. This includes storing firearms appropriately and schooling your children in proper handling of them.
If New Jersey is so hell-bent on reducing accidental deaths, they'd be better off banning swimming pools or doctors, as they kill far many more people accidentally- or purposely, for that matter- than guns do.
We've all read how to get past biometric security- sometimes fingerprint pads wear so much they take any fingerprint, or pictures used for iris scanners, or rings can be taken from their owners.
On the other hand, Metal Storm's technology is incredibly cool. I just don't want anyone telling me I have to use it. (And in NH, I don't!)
We seem to have a fundamental disagreement, as far as I can tell, as to wether war is ever a necessary evil. I believe that from time to time it is.
Unless we can agree on that, there's no point in discussing anything further.
Yeah, how did humanity ever survive the dark ages of the early 1900's when we didn't have some fucking nanny-state telling us not to use something we shouldn't eat in components we won't eat, or eat off of?
When was the last time you were served a meal on an old motherboard, or had IC's for an appetizer? Maybe you've used an old heatsink as a lollipop?
So... war is a job?
It's called duty, and along with words like honor, integrity, and commitment they're used by men better than you and I in a life spent defending something.
"The death of Iraqi civilians in this war roughly equals the deaths brought by the Indian Ocean tsunami."
Sure, if you make up numbers. The one study that said the count was up to 100,000 was discredited as using a statistical method in the worst, most innaccurate way possible. You bother to quote me a study that says 100k, and I'll show it's crap really fast.
But you, sir, you are part of the oppression, and job or not, you are responsible for your acts.
I find it hard to beleive there are people out there who can say this with a straight face. The people out there our soldiers are putting down are the type who murder iraqi election workers in broad daylight. They're the type that are stepping up the violence every day we move closer to letting iraqis vote for their own future. They're the type that capture truck drivers and aid workers and execute them on videotape for all of us to see.
You sick fuck. How dare you call our soldiers the oppressors, when all that fights them obviosly wants a return to the brutal baathism or worse of Saddam's time?
I'm full of respect for professional soldiers who risk their lives to protect civilian populations from the tyranny of oppression.
You're so full of shit. You've grown up in some nice little suburb insulated from the true evil that exists in the world. Never in your life have you had to face real evil, or even a reflection of it, and you've let it's abscence skew your idea of what evil is.
You're like some kid who grew up with a hyper-clean mom disinfecting everything in sight, playing video games all day, and never had their body exposed to any actual virusses, diseases or bacteria. You've developed asthma and hay fever, because your immune system mistakes innoculous particles for dangerous ones, having never actually fought a malicious microbe.
And your sneezing is ending up all over slashdot. The hallmark of modern liberalism is the inability to acknowledge, much less confront, actual evil.
This is why you're fucking silent when UN troops go raping every child in sight that they're supposed to protect. This is why you're silent when a muslim woman who is raped is later executed for having sex outside of marriage. This is why you were fucking quiet when saddam gassed the kurds.
Oh, but the US kills someone who was too fucking near a hideout of scum when it was bombed, and you and your buddies make up the signs and dumb little chants and go protest in front of the Washington momument.
Fuck you, and everything you stand for. If the world was left for the likes of you to run, we'd be overrun by 7th centurary barbarians in no time.
Biodiesel, anyway you look at it, is indirect solar energy.(The same could be said for fossil fuels, but it's billions of years of built up solar energy) Moreover, if demand increases, the components will become more sparse and expensive.
IIRC, there was an article a while ago about how someone was making biodiesel for something like $0.30 a gallon, but he was getting all kinds of used resturaunt fat for free- and it wouldn't be free for very long if it becomes an ingredient in widely used fuel.
Moreover, for the part of it that is directly plant based, we already use tremendous amounts of water to make the food we eat, and adding all the farms required to make any substantial amount of biodiesel would use up an incredible amount of water.
As far as I can tell, biodiesel is a novel and sometimes cheap form of fuel for a few hobbyists. Given what's needed to make biodiesel, however, I don't see how it could ever approach being even 1% of the fuel we use nationwide.
Hehe You're funny. You must have named yourself 'leftie' because you're doing your best to be an absurd charicture of leftists, who are already batshit crazy lately. Quite amusing, really.
Well, there's no point in discussing anything further with you. No ground would be made.
Oh yeah, Occam called. He wants you to try his razor out.
Ok, even if Rove did forge the documents,
HOW COULD HE KNOW 60 MINUTES WOULD BE SO FUCKING STUPID AS TO USE THEM? I mean, really, who would underestimate their enemies so low? Wouldn't someone planning on some complex double intrigue at least give their targets some credit as to have the slightest fucking clue? Have you seen just how bad these forgeries are?
IIRC, Bill Blunkett made them, crumbled them up, straightened them out, and ran then on a copier a couple dozen times. Then he gave them to CBS, whose apparently institutional hatred of Bush blinded them to the obvious problems with these documents, and put them on the air. And then made complete asses of themselves tryin to defend said documents.
And the only proof of these were forged documents attributed to a dead mean and the thirty year old memories of a geriatric ex-secretary pool typist who hates Bush.
How, exactly, did they establish these 'facts' that they got 'right'?
Get over it. Even if it was true, no one planning to vote for Bush would have given a shit.
This looks like the old Clinton-a-hoochie shuffle here- accuse the other side of everything your side is guilty of, as a distraction tactic.
Nobody ever said they weren't biased- unlike rather and crew, however, they're honest about it.
Moreover, just becase the blogs don't fit YOUR BIAS, doesn't mean they're crap.
But the rest of your comment is more or less accurate about big media.
142 comments and no mention of blogger's biggest kill- perhaps when their importance was proven beyond a doubt.
I'm sure you'll all remember that a week or two before the election, Dan Rather went on 60 minutes with a story about how Bush allegedly got special treatment when he was in the air national guard. To prove this, CBS posted PDF's of supporting memos, 'from' the 70's, on their website.
Within hours, someone mentioned on freerepublic that the documents looked like they came from microsoft word.
Over the 12 hours, Littlegreenfootballs.com , with the help of powerlineblog.com blew the lid off the story.
Here's a detailed analysis later put together by a guy who pretty much wrote the book on computer typesetting: Dr. Newcomer
Bloggers showed that CBS had aired a story based on piss-poor forgeries made with MS Word 2003 default settings within hours, and then let so many people know about it so rapidly that there was no turning back for Rather and 60 minutes. His retirement this spring was announced within a month of this fiasco, IIRC.
Now, regardless of what you happen to think of Bush (Dr. Newcomer was a Kerry fan), basing a story on fabricated evidence is inexcusable. Basing it on such obvious forgeries is beyond inexcusable, and reaches into incredibly stupidity.
Bloggers busted 60 minutes on this. Huge story. And I'm suprised I'm the first one posting it.
revscat, is that you?
Airliners can land themselves nowadays. Didn't you know that?
Moreover, if you've got a danger of blinding the pilot, I think the plane can wait a bit to land, don't you?