I have three servers and two desktops running on Reiser3. None of the servers are on UPSs, all have had power failures. None have had filesystem corruption as a result. Two systems are RAID-5 arrays, one's a regular single hard drive with a ReiserFS root. The RAID-5 servers are used by hundreds of people around the world every day, and have active processes writing data 24/7. They're all 2.6.x kernel.
However, none of the systems are RedHat. As mentioned elsewhere in this discussion, RedHat kinda sabotage RieserFS, either through neglect or design.
Reiser opens the possibility of simplifying life by replacing simple databases of small records with the filesystem; for instance, it might be practical for a Usenet newsreader to store every cached message in a separate file.
More to the point, it means ReiserFS is great for any system that's going to run a news server, which already does store every single article as a separate file.
It's also great for mail servers, because you can use Maildir without having to worry about performance, and Maildir is superior in every way to the hideous brokenness of mbox.
It's also great for Gentoo, where/usr/portage contains a ton of small files for every possible version of every package you might ever install.
In fact, it's not clear to me that ext3 is optimized more towards real world filesystem usage. Are there any actual studies of real world filesystem stats? Any open source tools we could run to assist in such studies?
In fact, it's not clear to me that ext3 is better optimized for normal usage.
You're lucky. I flew, and someone stole the AC adaptor for my iPod and the charger for my digital camera battery out of my case. There was no official indication that the case had been opened. It was in my sight until I handed it to the checkin desk, and from the moment it emerged onto the baggage carousel until I opened it to check the contents, so there's no possibility that the theft occurred outside a supposedly "secure" area.
I wrote to the TSA about it. They said that regrettably, sometimes their staff don't reach the standards they aim for. In other words, they think one of the security staff stole stuff from my case.
Well, I sure feel more secure now.
Let's see... terrorist gets job with TSA, sneaks in bomb, puts it in my luggage undetected... Great!
I could live with the security, but the airlines have done their best to make sure that every other aspect of the experience sucks too.
They slashed staff levels, so the queues to check in are enormous. They stopped serving food on the flight, even if it's a 6 hour flight over lunchtime, so no hot food. You hurry through the huge security queues as soon as possible to make sure the delays don't make you miss your flight, arrive in the departure area, and find there's no food.
I even had American Airlines tell me there was no coffee on a 6 hour flight for "security reasons". Really.
In fact, Al Qaeda already explicitly endorsed Bush for President, in writing. It was even reported in the US media via Reuters:
"A group claiming to have links with al Qaeda said on Wednesday it was calling a truce in its Spanish operations to see if the new Madrid government would withdraw its troops from Iraq, a pan-Arab newspaper said." [...] "The statement said it supported President Bush in his reelection campaign, and would prefer him to win in November rather than the Democratic candidate John Kerry, as it was not possible to find a leader 'more foolish than [Bush], who deals with matters by force rather than with wisdom.'"
2. Debian testing uses GCC 3. You don't have to go to unstable.
5. No, Fedora Core isn't ready for the desktop. But Linux is.
6. Oh yeah?
$ echo $LC_CTYPE en_US $ echo $LC_COLLATE en_US $ echo does it really | grep [A-Z] $
8. And what about the ones that aren't up to date?
9. They're both placed in the init sequence for the default runlevel. That's what I mean by both active. Obviously they clash when they both try to run, duh.
Yes, hundreds of thousands of ordinary Democratic voters supported him, he got a record turnout at his speeches and appearances, collected millions of dollars in small contributions... and then he was eliminated by the DNC and the media.
Yes, clearly IBM would never have donated major pieces of code to open source, like development environments or database systems, if it hadn't been forced to do so.
Actually, those episodes I have no trouble with. Freedom of speech and association are liberal ideals, and Starbucks doesn't have any trouble making money here in the People's Republic of Cambridge.
No, there were two South Park episodes I saw as having a really overt conservative bias.
The first was the smoking episode, where basically the entire episode argued "smoking is just a harmless hobby, people enjoy it, let them keep enjoying it". It completely ignored any consideration or mention of how the tobacco companies intentionally made the cigarettes more addictive, covered up evidence that their product was killing people, and so on. Sure, I accept the ultimate argument that people should be allowed to smoke so long as I don't have to take part--but to ignore such important malfeasance by the corporations is intellectually dishonest.
The second was the episode where people learn to eat by shoving food up their asses. The whole thing turned out to be an elaborate set up so that they could have a scene where the adults sit around giving entirely legitimate arguments for separation of church and state in the US, while crap spews from their mouths (literally). If that is really the best counter-argument Matt and Trey could come up with, that's pretty sad.
[Now cue someone to mock the idea that comedy should have any requirement for intellectual honesty. Bonus points if it's someone who has previously criticized Michael Moore for the exact same failings.]
1. I gave up on RedHat because RPM was crashing weekly on my server. Just because it hasn't crashed for you, doesn't mean it isn't a problem.
2. Oh yeah, wheel out the "Debian takes years to update" lie. The point isn't whether jar works by default, it's that a libraries package has no business installing new commands at all, let alone broken ones.
3. You prefer resolving dependencies manually? Oh well, no wonder you enjoy RedHat.
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5. "I would say that for the consumer market place, Windows probably continues to be the right product line,"
6. You didn't try it. echo redhat sucks | grep [A-Z] prints "redhat sucks" on RH9, even though the string contains no capital letters. That's simply broken in en_US.
7. The "emacs with no X" requires X. You can't see that there's a problem with that?
8. I explained why you can't rely on RPM for CPAN stuff. I thought you didn't like waiting years for updates? How come you're willing to use years-old versions of Perl libraries?
9. It's not rebooting that's the issue, it's wiping and reinstalling.
10. Again, if you don't see the issue with having both iptables and ipchains installed and active at the same time by default, you clearly don't know what they do.
Since I watch the security announcements, if there's ever anything that needs patching that I actually have installed from 'testing', I'll deal with it then. That's better than RedHat, where I can't get updates at all for an OS I installed last year.
Right, MINIX was built by Andy Tanenbaum to teach geeks how UNIX worked. A bunch of us started using it as our desktop OS. Linus didn't like some of the restrictions AST had in MINIX, because they were drawbacks for actually using the OS as a desktop system. So, he started writing Linux as a replacement for the MINIX kernel.
FYI, with the new CD installer (release candidate) and Synaptic, Debian is now just as easy to install and use as RedHat.
I just switched from RedHat to Debian. What killed it for me was being forced to wipe and reinstall my system because RedHat needed to push some new release as a major release for marketing reasons. I wouldn't mind paying for support and putting up with RPM if they'd stop putting artificial hurdles in the way.
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Damn right. There are plenty of situations where I would have used Java, if it wasn't for the startup time.
There are two kinds of people, when it comes to ReiserFS: people who love it, and people who have tried to run it on RedHat.
Ever notice that all the reports of ReiserFS corruption seem to be from RedHat users?
This should tell you something.
I have three servers and two desktops running on Reiser3. None of the servers are on UPSs, all have had power failures. None have had filesystem corruption as a result. Two systems are RAID-5 arrays, one's a regular single hard drive with a ReiserFS root. The RAID-5 servers are used by hundreds of people around the world every day, and have active processes writing data 24/7. They're all 2.6.x kernel.
However, none of the systems are RedHat. As mentioned elsewhere in this discussion, RedHat kinda sabotage RieserFS, either through neglect or design.
More to the point, it means ReiserFS is great for any system that's going to run a news server, which already does store every single article as a separate file.
It's also great for mail servers, because you can use Maildir without having to worry about performance, and Maildir is superior in every way to the hideous brokenness of mbox.
It's also great for Gentoo, where /usr/portage contains a ton of small files for every possible version of every package you might ever install.
In fact, it's not clear to me that ext3 is optimized more towards real world filesystem usage. Are there any actual studies of real world filesystem stats? Any open source tools we could run to assist in such studies?
In fact, it's not clear to me that ext3 is better optimized for normal usage.
It's definitely cliques. I only know one person who uses MSN; everyone else I know is on AIM or Jabber.
Google have the tech know-how to run a Jabber server with the AIM and MSN gateways for legacy compatibility.
Where do you get the strange idea that a factually accurate documentary can't be funny?
2. I already said that I'm happy to deal with the unlikely situation that something I have installed has a security hole.
5. My mother's been running Mandrake for over a year.
6. You're still wrong:
$ echo does it really | LANG=en_US grep '[A-Z]'
$
Same result on my Debian system, my Gentoo box and my OS X box. Only RedHat 9 behaves in the broken way. You're the one who needs to check facts.
9. Yes, that's what I mean by clash. Two packages are installed, only one of which can actually be running. Which is stupid.
You're lucky. I flew, and someone stole the AC adaptor for my iPod and the charger for my digital camera battery out of my case. There was no official indication that the case had been opened. It was in my sight until I handed it to the checkin desk, and from the moment it emerged onto the baggage carousel until I opened it to check the contents, so there's no possibility that the theft occurred outside a supposedly "secure" area.
I wrote to the TSA about it. They said that regrettably, sometimes their staff don't reach the standards they aim for. In other words, they think one of the security staff stole stuff from my case.
Well, I sure feel more secure now.
Let's see... terrorist gets job with TSA, sneaks in bomb, puts it in my luggage undetected... Great!
The sad thing is, Eric S. Raymond suggested that seriously.
I could live with the security, but the airlines have done their best to make sure that every other aspect of the experience sucks too.
They slashed staff levels, so the queues to check in are enormous. They stopped serving food on the flight, even if it's a 6 hour flight over lunchtime, so no hot food. You hurry through the huge security queues as soon as possible to make sure the delays don't make you miss your flight, arrive in the departure area, and find there's no food.
I even had American Airlines tell me there was no coffee on a 6 hour flight for "security reasons". Really.
In fact, Al Qaeda already explicitly endorsed Bush for President, in writing. It was even reported in the US media via Reuters:
Maybe he's employed to write sales pitches for GENIERIEK V!AKGRA and finds it hard not to take his work home with him?
2. Debian testing uses GCC 3. You don't have to go to unstable.
5. No, Fedora Core isn't ready for the desktop. But Linux is.
6. Oh yeah?
$ echo $LC_CTYPE
en_US
$ echo $LC_COLLATE
en_US
$ echo does it really | grep [A-Z]
$
8. And what about the ones that aren't up to date?
9. They're both placed in the init sequence for the default runlevel. That's what I mean by both active. Obviously they clash when they both try to run, duh.
Yes, hundreds of thousands of ordinary Democratic voters supported him, he got a record turnout at his speeches and appearances, collected millions of dollars in small contributions... and then he was eliminated by the DNC and the media.
Yes, clearly IBM would never have donated major pieces of code to open source, like development environments or database systems, if it hadn't been forced to do so.
You mean Cheney isn't pulling Bush's strings?
Actually, those episodes I have no trouble with. Freedom of speech and association are liberal ideals, and Starbucks doesn't have any trouble making money here in the People's Republic of Cambridge.
No, there were two South Park episodes I saw as having a really overt conservative bias.
The first was the smoking episode, where basically the entire episode argued "smoking is just a harmless hobby, people enjoy it, let them keep enjoying it". It completely ignored any consideration or mention of how the tobacco companies intentionally made the cigarettes more addictive, covered up evidence that their product was killing people, and so on. Sure, I accept the ultimate argument that people should be allowed to smoke so long as I don't have to take part--but to ignore such important malfeasance by the corporations is intellectually dishonest.
The second was the episode where people learn to eat by shoving food up their asses. The whole thing turned out to be an elaborate set up so that they could have a scene where the adults sit around giving entirely legitimate arguments for separation of church and state in the US, while crap spews from their mouths (literally). If that is really the best counter-argument Matt and Trey could come up with, that's pretty sad.
[Now cue someone to mock the idea that comedy should have any requirement for intellectual honesty. Bonus points if it's someone who has previously criticized Michael Moore for the exact same failings.]
I hate to break it to you, but there are a lot of fiscally conservative socially liberal democrats too. Did you miss the whole Howard Dean thing?
Perhaps if you recognized that there are both left wing and right wing libertarians, you might be able to come up with some cogent arguments.
As it is, it's as if you were ranting about "Christians idealizing economic freedom and destroying the federal government".
1. I gave up on RedHat because RPM was crashing weekly on my server. Just because it hasn't crashed for you, doesn't mean it isn't a problem.
2. Oh yeah, wheel out the "Debian takes years to update" lie. The point isn't whether jar works by default, it's that a libraries package has no business installing new commands at all, let alone broken ones.
3. You prefer resolving dependencies manually? Oh well, no wonder you enjoy RedHat.
4. [No substantive comment to reply to]
5. "I would say that for the consumer market place, Windows probably continues to be the right product line,"
6. You didn't try it. echo redhat sucks | grep [A-Z] prints "redhat sucks" on RH9, even though the string contains no capital letters. That's simply broken in en_US.
7. The "emacs with no X" requires X. You can't see that there's a problem with that?
8. I explained why you can't rely on RPM for CPAN stuff. I thought you didn't like waiting years for updates? How come you're willing to use years-old versions of Perl libraries?
9. It's not rebooting that's the issue, it's wiping and reinstalling.
10. Again, if you don't see the issue with having both iptables and ipchains installed and active at the same time by default, you clearly don't know what they do.
Since I watch the security announcements, if there's ever anything that needs patching that I actually have installed from 'testing', I'll deal with it then. That's better than RedHat, where I can't get updates at all for an OS I installed last year.
Right, MINIX was built by Andy Tanenbaum to teach geeks how UNIX worked. A bunch of us started using it as our desktop OS. Linus didn't like some of the restrictions AST had in MINIX, because they were drawbacks for actually using the OS as a desktop system. So, he started writing Linux as a replacement for the MINIX kernel.
Trust me, I was there at the time...
I guess you're not a developer, then, or else you'd probably have discovered that RedHat's "stable" releases are more broken than Debian's "testing".
Oh, and good luck compiling from source on your RedHat box. Say hello to RPM dependency hell!
FYI, with the new CD installer (release candidate) and Synaptic, Debian is now just as easy to install and use as RedHat.
I just switched from RedHat to Debian. What killed it for me was being forced to wipe and reinstall my system because RedHat needed to push some new release as a major release for marketing reasons. I wouldn't mind paying for support and putting up with RPM if they'd stop putting artificial hurdles in the way.