It's so much better when the commisar decides & comes in to take all your excess food, right komrade? Make everyone poor so that none can complain that any are poorer!
Lol for some, anyone who brings up the fact that the greeks were living beyond their means & repeatedly voted in governments that promised them free lunches is "repeating media red herrings".
Obama stimulated the US economy as a whole. Stimulating the Greek economy while they are part of the Eurozone isn't possible.
I do agree that it should have happened sooner but let Greece leave the Eurozone. We, as taxpayers in the rest of Europe have already lost too much (gravely compromising our chances of stimulating our economies).
Stop trying to show that they are only thinking one step ahead & that they need to think things through. As it doesn't agree with their political position they refuse to go beyond "it's somebody else's fault".
That's rich coming from someone attempting to justify NZ as a launch site
Asking a question "why N.Z.?" pondering possibilities and asking if it makes sense is NOT "attempting to justify". Please calm down and do something more practical than an emotional rant and attempting to pick a fight.
Lol, I'm quite calm & even amused by your attempts to make where wherever Electron is launched the most important factor in determining if RL has a chance of launching to ISS. The thing is, it's a ridiculous & irrelevant position & you keep mistaking my popping your pie in the sky bubbles for ranting, completely flying over every argument I have made pointing out their irrelevance.
Sit down, imagine that RL was an Argentinian company
OK then, if they were an Argentinian company, sitting on a lot of cash for some reason, with a big rocket, let's say a Russian one proven to actually work, and you had no reason to pick a fight over them would launching from that far south make sense?
Well then: Argentinia hasn't provided any funding to ISS so there's no incentive to giving them access to ISS, but you posited that the rocket is Russian & not something without any track record. Lets also add on the assumption that we're talking about Soyuz/Progress & not anything smaller so that payload to ISS is worth it and that docking to ISS won't be a problem (note that these assumptions are very much important than where the Soyuz is launched from). As for the pile of cash, unless the Argentinians have paying customers in the sense that they have contracts lined up that money is going to evaporate FAST!.
Yes, in that context & with those constraints, Argentina would be a fairly good match for launching to ISS.However, as Argentinia isn't well positioned for the equatorial orbits that make up the great majority of launches by paying customers they have run out of money after a few launches like so many others.
Now let's apply the same reasoning to RL's Electron: - No contributions to ISS's budget by NZ so no reason for the consortium to take any risks letting electron launch anywhere near ISS. - No proven launcher - No proven payload with maneuvering capacity & significant cargo delivery to 400KM orbit, indeed no proven payload whatsoever - No compatible cargo hatches to Electron's payload, hell Electron can barely loft the mass of the smaller & lighter Russian hatch to 400Km. Even the Russian hatch wouldn't fit inside Electron's fairing but placing a larger (heavier, draggier) fairing on top of Electron _might_ work. - No massive pile of cash - No paying customers
Oh but hey, they can launch to a similar orbital inclination as ISS from a yet to be developed spaceport in NZ. THAT, according to a guy who took an orbital mechanics class 20 years ago is "the only bit of the question that actually matters"
Is that playing your game enough for you to stop avoiding the only bit of the question that actually matters?
Is reality a game to you? Do you think that you can dream up changes to essential conditions & by wanting it to be, just make it happen? Are you perchance of greek descent?
There are valid (selfish) reasons for keeping Greece in the EEC, even it appears that they do not want to be part of the common currency (or at least refuse to take the measures necessary to stay). Among them Immigration control. Greece is already the largest immigration point of entry into Europe for illegal immigrants.
How poor is a pensioner in Greece where voters kept voting in governments that kept raising pensions compared to a Slovenian? Why should the latter be paying for the former's pension? Who's responsibility is it to pick up the tab of someone who continues to believe that he deserves a free lunch? Of course, now that the Greeks have taken their stand, we will soon see if the Greek pensioner is poorer in a country with insolvable banks & a bankrupt government.
Indeed. Other countries in Europe that are poorer than Greece did not vote in governments that kept raising pensions while refusing to reform their tax base. Why should a pensioner in Slovakia with a smaller pension who pays his taxes also pay for a Greek pensioner with a larger pension who doesn't? Why is it that Greeks can continue to avoid property taxes by planning a 3 story house, building 2 & never finishing the top? It seems to boil down to: we Greeks democratically voted in an extreme leftist government.
Well goody for Greece where a majority thinks that that they can vote themselves out of responsibility for borrowing themselves into a hole. Now it's the turn of everyone else in Europe to decide whether to continue throwing good money after bad. The Greeks claim that the banks & everyone else are the problem. We'll soon see how well they do without either.
Snort, sure it does, as long as "the powerful" are those that Assange has an axe to grind on. Why doesn't Assange have any dirt on Russia? China? France? No other countries in the entire world merit a little of the light he claims to be bringing to society?
And this is what it all comes down to. You're trying to turn attention from documents published by Assange to Assange himself
Nope. Just pointing out that the claims of the church of Assange's faithful that the Holy Member is a counter to "the powerful" are only for those that Assange has an axe to grind on. @lt;- See that there? It's called a period, also known as a full stop. It isn't the starting point for all your fantasies.
Even if you manage to smash the mirror, it's still your image it showed, and you need to either live with it or change.
Hey, I'm French. I don't have the hangups with nudity/morality/etc that they have in the US. I'd love for Wikileaks to get off of Assange's axe grinding with the US/UK. How come the only image that matters to Assange (& you visibly) is the dark side of the USA? The DGSE Is white as snow somehow? They DON'T perform the same data collection that the NSA does? It matters less how?
I have expat friends from Russia & neighbouring countries that dismiss Assange as he refuses to publish anything about Russia. Why are Russia's adventures in the Crimea, in Georgia, in the Ukraine, etc undeserving of any attention by Assange/Wikileaks?
Or, I suppose, you could continue coming up with reasons why the mirror is immoral to distract from your image and keep your delusions. But that's unlikely to end well for you. Ignoring reality for self-adoring fantasy rarely does.
I'm not the one claiming that Assange deserves asylum for crimes, thus veiling myself away from the reality of who the man really is (and he is indeed a man, and thus not above our laws).
Would you also like to argue how many angels can dance on the head of a pin & how that relates to launching sounding rockets to ISS? Because that's pretty much how it sounds.
"did I read your post" That's rich coming from someone attempting to justify NZ as a launch site to ISS for a company making sounding rockets and now hoping to make the move up to a Falcon-1 sized launcher. You clearly have a lot emotionally invested in RL and/or NZ to the point that rational arguments explaining why RL will never launch to ISS are perceived as "emotional rantings". Sit down, imagine that RL was an Argentinian company & reread my posts. Without your emotional blinders on you might be able to get beyond your emotional blocks to perceive the truth in what I've told you. If you cannot, well then that's your problem, not mine.
Space-X abandoned Falcon-1 because the market is miniscule so they moved up to Falcon-9, something impossible for Electron without developing a new motor. Thus whether or not NZ is well suited to launching to a 51.6 is irrelevant. One can launch to 51.6 from anywhere. To launch to ISS, one must start with a launcher capable of lofting over 5 metric tons to 400KM orbit.
So, after each leg, they exclusively use the solar cells to make sure that the batteries are at 100% charge before attempting the next leg? No plugging into the electric lines?
Yes. Repeatedly and publicly (ex: his acceptance of bail conditions before fleeing justice), yet somehow for the true believers like you, every instance can be argued away.
Read the original quote. Notice how it talks about Wikileaks not being about truth. The issue is not whether Assange has ever told a lie in his life (because everyone has, and frankly it doesn't matter except for a smear campaign),
And as predicted, the attempt at explaining away the unexplainable starts.
Sure, not sharing your messianic opinion of Assange and wanting him to be judged like a normal person is capitulating...
Right. So do you think a normal person would be judged like this for not wearing a condom?
Eminently. According to the statements Assange didn't have consent to unprotected sex. Without consent it's rape.
Assange thinks that rules don't apply to him & people like you have their logic ass backwards in attempting to paint this as Assange being unfairly victimised. People could have had their doubts about his innocence until Assange turned this into a circus by first off claiming that it was all a smear campaign so that the US could snatch him easier from Sweden than from the UK & then breaking bail instead of facing justice.
Because that is what the Swedish lawsuit is nominally about.
Lawsuit?!? In what reality do you live in that you can conflate criminal justice proceedings with a civil lawsuit? Ah, I forgot, the church of Assange...
But ultimately, what does it matter? Even if you proved mathematically that Assange is the Devil himself,
YOU need for the man to be proven to be the devil to invalidate your current belief systems. I just want him to be treated like everyone else, answerable to the justice systems of the countries where he has in all probability committed rape & in jumping bail.
that still wouldn't change the fact that Wikileaks merely unmasks the sins of the powerful.
Snort, sure it does, as long as "the powerful" are those that Assange has an axe to grind on. Why doesn't Assange have any dirt on Russia? China? France? No other countries in the entire world merit a little of the light he claims to be bringing to society?
I'd have paid money to see a jump by Assange that got him directly from the Ecuadorian embassy in London to France without passing through a UK prison. Because, really, I don't see how it's possible.
It seems that the attempted quid pro quo failed. SInce there are no doubt many French people in solidarity with Wikileaks that have access to secrets I suppose France should brace itself for retaliation by Wikileaks.
Yes. Repeatedly and publicly (ex: his acceptance of bail conditions before fleeing justice), yet somehow for the true believers like you, every instance can be argued away.
But France is capitulating, again, to the skull-caps.
Sure, not sharing your messianic opinion of Assange and wanting him to be judged like a normal person is capitulating...
So? Electron is still a tiny launcher with little hope of upsizing like Space-X did from Falcon-1 to Falcon-9, no governmental support & no well paying objectives like ISS resupply. I see nothing stopping them from burning through their cash & then closing like so many others have done.
Sorry I popped your rosy dreams with a dash of reality. History is littered with failed aerospace companies that ran out of money. Those that do not fail are the exceptions and have to prove themselves before their claims can be taken seriously.
Rocket Labs forecasts that Electron will be able to loft 125kg to 400Km (roughly ISS's orbit). 125 Kg is total payload. Subtract everything needed to keep active control over whatever they would be hoping to deliver to ISS. There is nothing that RL could possibly deliver that would justify taking the risk of their flying anywhere near ISS. Even your 20 year old orbital mechanics should be able to grasp that, no? Again: Rocket labs will never launch anything to ISS. In the time it would take them to be big enough to be used to launch anything serious, ISS will be long gone.
Rocket labs will never launch anything to ISS. In the time it would take them to be big enough to be used to launch anything serious, ISS will be long gone.
The claimed advantages of launching "deep in the Southern Hemisphere" are bunk. Unless you're launching into retrograde orbits there are no advantages to launching far from the equator. It's more likely that someone is running out of money and has to move back in with his parents.
And we managed to expose hypocrisy in all other governments too, as for instance the U.S. was assuring everyone: "We don't spy on friends".
"Assured"?!? No, the gullible & the innocent assumed that the US wouldn't collect info (spy) where it could. Anyone with any knowledge of history knows that todays friends can be tomorrows enemies so it is prudent to avoid getting blindsided.
Those crying "How could they" clearly have little knowledge of how the real world works. They "discover" that the US has plans to invade Canada and breathlessly scream how evil the US is for planning ahead for every contingency.
Spying by the DGSE is already authorized by French law and with essentially no limits compared to the NSA. Oversight by an independent judiciary (even a secret one)? Not needed here.
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You're Canadian, right?
It's so much better when the commisar decides & comes in to take all your excess food, right komrade? Make everyone poor so that none can complain that any are poorer!
Lol for some, anyone who brings up the fact that the greeks were living beyond their means & repeatedly voted in governments that promised them free lunches is "repeating media red herrings".
Obama stimulated the US economy as a whole. Stimulating the Greek economy while they are part of the Eurozone isn't possible.
I do agree that it should have happened sooner but let Greece leave the Eurozone. We, as taxpayers in the rest of Europe have already lost too much (gravely compromising our chances of stimulating our economies).
Stop trying to show that they are only thinking one step ahead & that they need to think things through. As it doesn't agree with their political position they refuse to go beyond "it's somebody else's fault".
The people who like Timothy's editing of stories on the weekends & the changes that Dice has been bringing to /.
That's rich coming from someone attempting to justify NZ as a launch site
Asking a question "why N.Z.?" pondering possibilities and asking if it makes sense is NOT "attempting to justify".
Please calm down and do something more practical than an emotional rant and attempting to pick a fight.
Lol, I'm quite calm & even amused by your attempts to make where wherever Electron is launched the most important factor in determining if RL has a chance of launching to ISS. The thing is, it's a ridiculous & irrelevant position & you keep mistaking my popping your pie in the sky bubbles for ranting, completely flying over every argument I have made pointing out their irrelevance.
Sit down, imagine that RL was an Argentinian company
OK then, if they were an Argentinian company, sitting on a lot of cash for some reason, with a big rocket, let's say a Russian one proven to actually work, and you had no reason to pick a fight over them would launching from that far south make sense?
Well then:
Argentinia hasn't provided any funding to ISS so there's no incentive to giving them access to ISS, but you posited that the rocket is Russian & not something without any track record. Lets also add on the assumption that we're talking about Soyuz/Progress & not anything smaller so that payload to ISS is worth it and that docking to ISS won't be a problem (note that these assumptions are very much important than where the Soyuz is launched from). As for the pile of cash, unless the Argentinians have paying customers in the sense that they have contracts lined up that money is going to evaporate FAST!.
Yes, in that context & with those constraints, Argentina would be a fairly good match for launching to ISS.However, as Argentinia isn't well positioned for the equatorial orbits that make up the great majority of launches by paying customers they have run out of money after a few launches like so many others.
Now let's apply the same reasoning to RL's Electron:
- No contributions to ISS's budget by NZ so no reason for the consortium to take any risks letting electron launch anywhere near ISS.
- No proven launcher
- No proven payload with maneuvering capacity & significant cargo delivery to 400KM orbit, indeed no proven payload whatsoever
- No compatible cargo hatches to Electron's payload, hell Electron can barely loft the mass of the smaller & lighter Russian hatch to 400Km. Even the Russian hatch wouldn't fit inside Electron's fairing but placing a larger (heavier, draggier) fairing on top of Electron _might_ work.
- No massive pile of cash
- No paying customers
Oh but hey, they can launch to a similar orbital inclination as ISS from a yet to be developed spaceport in NZ. THAT, according to a guy who took an orbital mechanics class 20 years ago is "the only bit of the question that actually matters"
Is that playing your game enough for you to stop avoiding the only bit of the question that actually matters?
Is reality a game to you? Do you think that you can dream up changes to essential conditions & by wanting it to be, just make it happen? Are you perchance of greek descent?
Aprés toi, Gaston...
There are valid (selfish) reasons for keeping Greece in the EEC, even it appears that they do not want to be part of the common currency (or at least refuse to take the measures necessary to stay). Among them Immigration control. Greece is already the largest immigration point of entry into Europe for illegal immigrants.
How poor is a pensioner in Greece where voters kept voting in governments that kept raising pensions compared to a Slovenian? Why should the latter be paying for the former's pension? Who's responsibility is it to pick up the tab of someone who continues to believe that he deserves a free lunch? Of course, now that the Greeks have taken their stand, we will soon see if the Greek pensioner is poorer in a country with insolvable banks & a bankrupt government.
Indeed. Other countries in Europe that are poorer than Greece did not vote in governments that kept raising pensions while refusing to reform their tax base. Why should a pensioner in Slovakia with a smaller pension who pays his taxes also pay for a Greek pensioner with a larger pension who doesn't? Why is it that Greeks can continue to avoid property taxes by planning a 3 story house, building 2 & never finishing the top? It seems to boil down to: we Greeks democratically voted in an extreme leftist government.
Well goody for Greece where a majority thinks that that they can vote themselves out of responsibility for borrowing themselves into a hole. Now it's the turn of everyone else in Europe to decide whether to continue throwing good money after bad. The Greeks claim that the banks & everyone else are the problem. We'll soon see how well they do without either.
Snort, sure it does, as long as "the powerful" are those that Assange has an axe to grind on. Why doesn't Assange have any dirt on Russia? China? France? No other countries in the entire world merit a little of the light he claims to be bringing to society?
And this is what it all comes down to. You're trying to turn attention from documents published by Assange to Assange himself
Nope. Just pointing out that the claims of the church of Assange's faithful that the Holy Member is a counter to "the powerful" are only for those that Assange has an axe to grind on. @lt;- See that there? It's called a period, also known as a full stop. It isn't the starting point for all your fantasies.
Even if you manage to smash the mirror, it's still your image it showed, and you need to either live with it or change.
Hey, I'm French. I don't have the hangups with nudity/morality/etc that they have in the US. I'd love for Wikileaks to get off of Assange's axe grinding with the US/UK. How come the only image that matters to Assange (& you visibly) is the dark side of the USA? The DGSE Is white as snow somehow? They DON'T perform the same data collection that the NSA does? It matters less how?
I have expat friends from Russia & neighbouring countries that dismiss Assange as he refuses to publish anything about Russia. Why are Russia's adventures in the Crimea, in Georgia, in the Ukraine, etc undeserving of any attention by Assange/Wikileaks?
Or, I suppose, you could continue coming up with reasons why the mirror is immoral to distract from your image and keep your delusions. But that's unlikely to end well for you. Ignoring reality for self-adoring fantasy rarely does.
I'm not the one claiming that Assange deserves asylum for crimes, thus veiling myself away from the reality of who the man really is (and he is indeed a man, and thus not above our laws).
Would you also like to argue how many angels can dance on the head of a pin & how that relates to launching sounding rockets to ISS? Because that's pretty much how it sounds.
"did I read your post" That's rich coming from someone attempting to justify NZ as a launch site to ISS for a company making sounding rockets and now hoping to make the move up to a Falcon-1 sized launcher. You clearly have a lot emotionally invested in RL and/or NZ to the point that rational arguments explaining why RL will never launch to ISS are perceived as "emotional rantings". Sit down, imagine that RL was an Argentinian company & reread my posts. Without your emotional blinders on you might be able to get beyond your emotional blocks to perceive the truth in what I've told you. If you cannot, well then that's your problem, not mine.
Space-X abandoned Falcon-1 because the market is miniscule so they moved up to Falcon-9, something impossible for Electron without developing a new motor. Thus whether or not NZ is well suited to launching to a 51.6 is irrelevant. One can launch to 51.6 from anywhere. To launch to ISS, one must start with a launcher capable of lofting over 5 metric tons to 400KM orbit.
the airplane powered only by the sun's light
So, after each leg, they exclusively use the solar cells to make sure that the batteries are at 100% charge before attempting the next leg? No plugging into the electric lines?
He's shown wikileaks is about his ego, not truth.
Right. So did he lie?
Yes. Repeatedly and publicly (ex: his acceptance of bail conditions before fleeing justice), yet somehow for the true believers like you, every instance can be argued away.
Read the original quote. Notice how it talks about Wikileaks not being about truth. The issue is not whether Assange has ever told a lie in his life (because everyone has, and frankly it doesn't matter except for a smear campaign),
And as predicted, the attempt at explaining away the unexplainable starts.
Sure, not sharing your messianic opinion of Assange and wanting him to be judged like a normal person is capitulating...
Right. So do you think a normal person would be judged like this for not wearing a condom?
Eminently. According to the statements Assange didn't have consent to unprotected sex. Without consent it's rape.
Assange thinks that rules don't apply to him & people like you have their logic ass backwards in attempting to paint this as Assange being unfairly victimised. People could have had their doubts about his innocence until Assange turned this into a circus by first off claiming that it was all a smear campaign so that the US could snatch him easier from Sweden than from the UK & then breaking bail instead of facing justice.
Because that is what the Swedish lawsuit is nominally about.
Lawsuit?!? In what reality do you live in that you can conflate criminal justice proceedings with a civil lawsuit? Ah, I forgot, the church of Assange...
But ultimately, what does it matter? Even if you proved mathematically that Assange is the Devil himself,
YOU need for the man to be proven to be the devil to invalidate your current belief systems. I just want him to be treated like everyone else, answerable to the justice systems of the countries where he has in all probability committed rape & in jumping bail.
that still wouldn't change the fact that Wikileaks merely unmasks the sins of the powerful.
Snort, sure it does, as long as "the powerful" are those that Assange has an axe to grind on. Why doesn't Assange have any dirt on Russia? China? France? No other countries in the entire world merit a little of the light he claims to be bringing to society?
I'd have paid money to see a jump by Assange that got him directly from the Ecuadorian embassy in London to France without passing through a UK prison. Because, really, I don't see how it's possible.
It seems that the attempted quid pro quo failed. SInce there are no doubt many French people in solidarity with Wikileaks that have access to secrets I suppose France should brace itself for retaliation by Wikileaks.
On attend/espère que cela...
He's shown wikileaks is about his ego, not truth.
Right. So did he lie?
Yes. Repeatedly and publicly (ex: his acceptance of bail conditions before fleeing justice), yet somehow for the true believers like you, every instance can be argued away.
But France is capitulating, again, to the skull-caps.
Sure, not sharing your messianic opinion of Assange and wanting him to be judged like a normal person is capitulating...
So? Electron is still a tiny launcher with little hope of upsizing like Space-X did from Falcon-1 to Falcon-9, no governmental support & no well paying objectives like ISS resupply. I see nothing stopping them from burning through their cash & then closing like so many others have done.
Sorry I popped your rosy dreams with a dash of reality. History is littered with failed aerospace companies that ran out of money. Those that do not fail are the exceptions and have to prove themselves before their claims can be taken seriously.
Rocket Labs forecasts that Electron will be able to loft 125kg to 400Km (roughly ISS's orbit). 125 Kg is total payload. Subtract everything needed to keep active control over whatever they would be hoping to deliver to ISS. There is nothing that RL could possibly deliver that would justify taking the risk of their flying anywhere near ISS. Even your 20 year old orbital mechanics should be able to grasp that, no? Again:
Rocket labs will never launch anything to ISS. In the time it would take them to be big enough to be used to launch anything serious, ISS will be long gone.
Rocket labs will never launch anything to ISS. In the time it would take them to be big enough to be used to launch anything serious, ISS will be long gone.
The claimed advantages of launching "deep in the Southern Hemisphere" are bunk. Unless you're launching into retrograde orbits there are no advantages to launching far from the equator. It's more likely that someone is running out of money and has to move back in with his parents.
And we managed to expose hypocrisy in all other governments too, as for instance the U.S. was assuring everyone: "We don't spy on friends".
"Assured"?!? No, the gullible & the innocent assumed that the US wouldn't collect info (spy) where it could. Anyone with any knowledge of history knows that todays friends can be tomorrows enemies so it is prudent to avoid getting blindsided.
Those crying "How could they" clearly have little knowledge of how the real world works. They "discover" that the US has plans to invade Canada and breathlessly scream how evil the US is for planning ahead for every contingency.
Spying by the DGSE is already authorized by French law and with essentially no limits compared to the NSA. Oversight by an independent judiciary (even a secret one)? Not needed here.