They also skimped mightily by using a SATA SSD instead of the Mac Pro's much faster PCIe flash. Part of the Mac Pro's speed like the almost instantaneous app launches comes from the PCIe flash.
... unless you have no other choice because you're buying a Mac...
Ah, an anti mac bigot. Been there, done that, moved on... I tried to move to Linux when I saw the Windows 8 debacle forming. Too many issues making everything work & I got tired of spending my time supporting Linux instead of working. I then moved to Mac & OS/X & haven't regretted it. Your prejudice against Macs is probably dated & ignorant, like the "mac tax" that hasn't existed in years.
Yes, the new Mac Pro is ahead of the curve & application support for everything it does isn't there for everything, but at least Apple is solving the chicken/egg problem by making this new machine expose insufficient multi-core/multi-GPU coding in applications. The new Mac Pro looks to be a success & no longer will the debs be able to say: "well, even if we code it to use multi-X, (almost) nobody will be able to use it".
What? You weren't there with Grace Hopper teaching her Cobol too? Not whispering in Woz's ear when he was designing the first Apples? Anonymous Cowards have sub zero credibility, coward.
Upgrading the GPUs in a Mac pro is done by buying a Pro with the requisite GPU & selling the old one & nobody cares what you claim to have read in the ebook tea leaves. In 6 years you will still be wearing those PCI diapers & whining about how constricting they are when everyone else will be using faster more modular hardware.
Krebs does know his stuff & much like J Edgar Hoover, he's been in the business accumulating files on all the underground criminal sites for years. It is this database of info & intimate knowledge of how it all fits together that allows him to dig up the info that budding criminals left online in forums where they let their hair down (assuming that the others were all thieves with honour) and then tie it together with public records. Even "elite hackers" (assuming that the lowlife Krebs exposed really is one) were young once & rare is the teenager who knows not to brag...
For specialty needs involving an extremely tiny minority... What, pray tell us, other than gpus (already present in Mac pros) and storage (better served via thunderbolt enclosures) needs better then PCI x4 speeds that is needed by a significant population of potential Mac Pro buyers?
Lol, slow replacement cycles are a sign of impending death, not hope. People aren't replacing their desktops, they are leaving them as is until they die & then replacing them with something else: laptops, tablets, nas, etc depending on their needs. That puddle you live in is drying fast. Will you wait until only mud is left?
To replace the gpus in a Mac Pro, buy a new one with the requisite gpus & sell the old one. Macs have resale value PC owners don't even dream of & time machine + external storage makes moving data trivial.
Almost every single card of yours is either unnecessary in a Mac Pro or is better in an external box but you're too set in "I used to have to do things by installing cards" to see that it isn't necessary or even optimal to do so any more. I'm sure you're comfortable wearing those diapers and afraid of changing but you really should move on...
When the EU pulls their heads out of their asses (as the USA has been urging since Bush41) & does something about uniformization of tax codes between members, THEN, we will have the beginning of a solution to this problem. Italy's "solution" is in direct contradiction with the free movement of goods within the EU that Italy has accepted treaty after treaty, will be contested every step of the way to the European high courts & will be defeated within 2 years.
Expansion slots are more necessary now than 6 years ago? Lol, you're deluded. What exactly (besides storage) did you need a slot for 6 years ago that is not present in the Mac Pro? The only thing I am aware of is video input & that has been announced as an external thunderbolt/usb3 connected box.
There is no longer the need to have a vacuum cleaner sized device (with the equivalent noise level) for slots that are no longer needed nor wanted.
Remember this moment. In 6 years look at your computer. It will certainly more closely resemble a Mac Pro with the essential bits (multi core CPU, ram, fast system flash disk, gpu) in the main unit & the rest like storage in other boxes, like NAS/DAS etc. Extension slots are much less necessary today & with thunderbolt & usb3 & successor techs will become even less necessary in the future. Your purported record on ebooks impresses me no more than how many times you may have flipped a coin heads in a row & is no more relevant, above all when I see to making the bad call on how much extension slots are needed.
In my experience, the snowden cheerleaders all believe the bad consequences to their hero's acts to be inconsequential and much as similar assange cheerleaders, believe, they can do no harm or more precisely, the ends justify the means. As this is what they are supposedly denouncing in the USG...
They cannot see that a statement like my original post is sarcasm, they swallow it whole. That just makes it more sarcastic to the people with the wit to see it.
Apple is making their classic mistake again, but this time they are probably going to overstep too far to be saved.
You keep on telling yourself that. The general PC market has been shrinking year over year recently, precisely two manufacturers have been resisting the trend: Lenovo & Apple, but your basement analysis will turn that around and bring back the glory days of the beige boxes. Much as with the MBA, Apple is just ahead of the curve and the people too set in their ways to see it are criticizing what they do not understand.
The veer contacts are exposed and you have the USB standard 5v live & unshielded. In the magsafe connector, the contacts don't go live until the connector determines that the magnetic connection has been established & the potentially dangerous 16.5v contacts are not exposed.
No. Every french governement since the 4th republic has legally spied on the French public with little/no reaction by the press or public. Pompidou asked Kennedy "How can you control the population whe you do not control the radio or the TV as we do?"
Until Bezos' Blue Origin demonstrates with a number of launches reaching the same milestones that Space X has (Geostationary launches, ISS launches, etc),all that money Bezos has in his pocket means nothing.
Anyone looking for a Franco-American system engineer would have little problem finding me using phayes you sniveling coward & I'm fairly well known here where I live. Is hiding behind mommy's skirts the only way you can express yourself or will you come out and grow a pair?
You're a liar as well as a sniveling coward as Safari was an optional install and the option to use your own library structure has always existed even if you were too dumb to actually look & find it.
So, how many toolbars are on your browsers, hmmm? 4? 5? Nah, probably more... Your rig seems slow too, right? Even after you downloaded & installed every optimizer you could find. It's beyond your comprehension.
Personally, I only install QuickTime/win so Mediamonkey can manage my iDevices, never used iTunes/win, availed myself of the options to not install stuff I didn't want & configure what I do want so it works the way I want it to. Yeah yeah also beyond your comprehension...
How surprising. An idiot without the courage to post under his own name who neither knows how to uncheck the box asking if he'd like safari installed nor uncheck the box telling iTunes to copy files to it's library. All he knows how to do is whine...
You can keep your brontosaurus sized UK plugs which are over designed for 99 % of all needs. You need half a meter to be able to have multi-socket with 6 plugs! I find even EU plugs to be over sized & well engineered (not the folded sheet metal plugs of my youth) US plugs are more than sufficient for 220v operation.
Riiiiight and pushing TOR to be an "internet standard" is not people wanting it to be baked into devices like Teredo has been in in windows since Vista...
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Shhhh, If he's dumb enough to skimp on the PSU he deserves whats coming...
They also skimped mightily by using a SATA SSD instead of the Mac Pro's much faster PCIe flash. Part of the Mac Pro's speed like the almost instantaneous app launches comes from the PCIe flash.
... unless you have no other choice because you're buying a Mac...
Ah, an anti mac bigot. Been there, done that, moved on... I tried to move to Linux when I saw the Windows 8 debacle forming. Too many issues making everything work & I got tired of spending my time supporting Linux instead of working. I then moved to Mac & OS/X & haven't regretted it. Your prejudice against Macs is probably dated & ignorant, like the "mac tax" that hasn't existed in years.
Yes, the new Mac Pro is ahead of the curve & application support for everything it does isn't there for everything, but at least Apple is solving the chicken/egg problem by making this new machine expose insufficient multi-core/multi-GPU coding in applications. The new Mac Pro looks to be a success & no longer will the debs be able to say: "well, even if we code it to use multi-X, (almost) nobody will be able to use it".
What? You weren't there with Grace Hopper teaching her Cobol too? Not whispering in Woz's ear when he was designing the first Apples? Anonymous Cowards have sub zero credibility, coward.
Upgrading the GPUs in a Mac pro is done by buying a Pro with the requisite GPU & selling the old one & nobody cares what you claim to have read in the ebook tea leaves. In 6 years you will still be wearing those PCI diapers & whining about how constricting they are when everyone else will be using faster more modular hardware.
Thunderbolt DAS units are used by anyone serious about storage.
Red Rocket is planning on a TB box and externalized PCI boxes over Thunderbolt are already being used by many until they deliver it.
Fiber Channel? Oh yeah, Everybody needs Fiberchannel... You're grasping at straws.
Krebs does know his stuff & much like J Edgar Hoover, he's been in the business accumulating files on all the underground criminal sites for years. It is this database of info & intimate knowledge of how it all fits together that allows him to dig up the info that budding criminals left online in forums where they let their hair down (assuming that the others were all thieves with honour) and then tie it together with public records. Even "elite hackers" (assuming that the lowlife Krebs exposed really is one) were young once & rare is the teenager who knows not to brag...
Go Brian, you inspire us all...
For specialty needs involving an extremely tiny minority... What, pray tell us, other than gpus (already present in Mac pros) and storage (better served via thunderbolt enclosures) needs better then PCI x4 speeds that is needed by a significant population of potential Mac Pro buyers?
Lol, slow replacement cycles are a sign of impending death, not hope. People aren't replacing their desktops, they are leaving them as is until they die & then replacing them with something else: laptops, tablets, nas, etc depending on their needs. That puddle you live in is drying fast. Will you wait until only mud is left?
To replace the gpus in a Mac Pro, buy a new one with the requisite gpus & sell the old one. Macs have resale value PC owners don't even dream of & time machine + external storage makes moving data trivial.
Almost every single card of yours is either unnecessary in a Mac Pro or is better in an external box but you're too set in "I used to have to do things by installing cards" to see that it isn't necessary or even optimal to do so any more. I'm sure you're comfortable wearing those diapers and afraid of changing but you really should move on...
When the EU pulls their heads out of their asses (as the USA has been urging since Bush41) & does something about uniformization of tax codes between members, THEN, we will have the beginning of a solution to this problem. Italy's "solution" is in direct contradiction with the free movement of goods within the EU that Italy has accepted treaty after treaty, will be contested every step of the way to the European high courts & will be defeated within 2 years.
Expansion slots are more necessary now than 6 years ago? Lol, you're deluded. What exactly (besides storage) did you need a slot for 6 years ago that is not present in the Mac Pro? The only thing I am aware of is video input & that has been announced as an external thunderbolt/usb3 connected box.
There is no longer the need to have a vacuum cleaner sized device (with the equivalent noise level) for slots that are no longer needed nor wanted.
Remember this moment. In 6 years look at your computer. It will certainly more closely resemble a Mac Pro with the essential bits (multi core CPU, ram, fast system flash disk, gpu) in the main unit & the rest like storage in other boxes, like NAS/DAS etc. Extension slots are much less necessary today & with thunderbolt & usb3 & successor techs will become even less necessary in the future. Your purported record on ebooks impresses me no more than how many times you may have flipped a coin heads in a row & is no more relevant, above all when I see to making the bad call on how much extension slots are needed.
As intended, as intended.
In my experience, the snowden cheerleaders all believe the bad consequences to their hero's acts to be inconsequential and much as similar assange cheerleaders, believe, they can do no harm or more precisely, the ends justify the means. As this is what they are supposedly denouncing in the USG...
They cannot see that a statement like my original post is sarcasm, they swallow it whole. That just makes it more sarcastic to the people with the wit to see it.
Apple is making their classic mistake again, but this time they are probably going to overstep too far to be saved.
You keep on telling yourself that. The general PC market has been shrinking year over year recently, precisely two manufacturers have been resisting the trend: Lenovo & Apple, but your basement analysis will turn that around and bring back the glory days of the beige boxes. Much as with the MBA, Apple is just ahead of the curve and the people too set in their ways to see it are criticizing what they do not understand.
He gets to crow "My PC is more powerful than a Mac Pro". Wow, how impressive...
On a side note: Way to go Timothy, flamebait in the header, of course nobody expects anything better from you given your track record.
That's only because they do not realise that Snowden is so much smarter/more moral than anyone else (except possibly for those who agree with him).
80watts at 18.5v and exposed contacts... It'd be a major fire hazard. You do understand that people die during fires, right?
The veer contacts are exposed and you have the USB standard 5v live & unshielded. In the magsafe connector, the contacts don't go live until the connector determines that the magnetic connection has been established & the potentially dangerous 16.5v contacts are not exposed.
No. Every french governement since the 4th republic has legally spied on the French public with little/no reaction by the press or public. Pompidou asked Kennedy "How can you control the population whe you do not control the radio or the TV as we do?"
Until Bezos' Blue Origin demonstrates with a number of launches reaching the same milestones that Space X has (Geostationary launches, ISS launches, etc),all that money Bezos has in his pocket means nothing.
Anyone looking for a Franco-American system engineer would have little problem finding me using phayes you sniveling coward & I'm fairly well known here where I live. Is hiding behind mommy's skirts the only way you can express yourself or will you come out and grow a pair?
You're a liar as well as a sniveling coward as Safari was an optional install and the option to use your own library structure has always existed even if you were too dumb to actually look & find it.
So, how many toolbars are on your browsers, hmmm? 4? 5? Nah, probably more... Your rig seems slow too, right? Even after you downloaded & installed every optimizer you could find. It's beyond your comprehension.
Personally, I only install QuickTime/win so Mediamonkey can manage my iDevices, never used iTunes/win, availed myself of the options to not install stuff I didn't want & configure what I do want so it works the way I want it to. Yeah yeah also beyond your comprehension...
Mediamonkey+wine? Yeah it's not open source but there is a very capable version that is free as in beer and also works well under Wine.
How surprising. An idiot without the courage to post under his own name who neither knows how to uncheck the box asking if he'd like safari installed nor uncheck the box telling iTunes to copy files to it's library. All he knows how to do is whine...
You can keep your brontosaurus sized UK plugs which are over designed for 99 % of all needs. You need half a meter to be able to have multi-socket with 6 plugs! I find even EU plugs to be over sized & well engineered (not the folded sheet metal plugs of my youth) US plugs are more than sufficient for 220v operation.
Riiiiight and pushing TOR to be an "internet standard" is not people wanting it to be baked into devices like Teredo has been in in windows since Vista...