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Ask Slashdot: Best FLOSS iTunes Replacement In 2013?

First time accepted submitter cs80 writes "I've been looking high and low for a decent, open-source, cross-platform audio player that can import an existing iTunes library and sort my files based on their ID3 tags. Nightingale, with its iTunes-like interface, would have been the obvious answer, but its file organization feature was pulled for being too buggy. What open-source audio player did you migrate to after dumping iTunes?"

317 comments

  1. Re:You could always... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    winamp always worked for me. So simple, so tiny...

  2. Foobar 2000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's annoying, and a bit weird, but it works and can play FLAC. It's also gotten better than it used to be, I don't worry nearly as much about losing all my playlists now. Which is good because there's not really a central "library" where you can just look at everything : (

    Honestly though, I'm not sure there's such a thing as truly "good" music software. Just one you know how to use so you stick with it.

    1. Re:Foobar 2000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Not exactly a ringing endorsement...

    2. Re:Foobar 2000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      You've never used foobar2000, have you? I have used it for years and wouldn't imagine using anything else. It is completely user customizable and I have never "lost" a playlist. And yes, there is a central, user sortable media library in foobar2000. It's one of the core features.

      Nice troll though.

    3. Re:Foobar 2000 by TheP4st · · Score: 1


      Foobar2000. The only piece of software I really miss after moving to Linux. Simple but effective GUI, crazily customizable and low on resources, Clementine which I use now is a good replacement but still there are times when I miss Foobar.

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    4. Re:Foobar 2000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      There is also a third party plugin for foobar that will allow you to copy songs off an iPod. That's the best way I've found to migrate from iTunes.

    5. Re:Foobar 2000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is also a third party plugin for foobar that will allow you to copy songs off an iPod. That's the best way I've found to migrate from iTunes.

      I find that never doing business with Apple under any circumstances will neatly avoid such problems as "how to migrate from proprietary walled-garden shite". But hey, people like you just gotta do things the hard way, eh?

    6. Re:Foobar 2000 by moronoxyd · · Score: 2

      I have never "lost" a playlist.

      Lucky you.
      I made the same experience as GP. Some times (I haven't found any cause) some of my playlists have a filesize of 0.

      Also (and this is independent from the above mentioned lost playlists) foobar only saves changes on playlists on close. So if I rearrange stuff in playlists and then keep using foobar and it later crashes those changes are gone.

    7. Re:Foobar 2000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It seems to run quite well under Wine.

    8. Re:Foobar 2000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can manually save playlists if you are that worried. Right click the playlist, and choose save as. You could also just use the excellent library manager and queue up music by tags.

      In 8 years of use, I've never had foobar2000 crash, so I suspect you were either using an unstable component or you're not being truthful.

    9. Re:Foobar 2000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's annoying, and a bit weird, but it works and can play FLAC. It's also gotten better than it used to be, I don't worry nearly as much about losing all my playlists now. Which is good because there's not really a central "library" where you can just look at everything : (

      Honestly though, I'm not sure there's such a thing as truly "good" music software. Just one you know how to use so you stick with it.

      Foobar isn't open source

    10. Re: Foobar 2000 by phishybongwaters · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How exactly is that helpful in anyway? "how can I replace iTunes? " ...."don't use it in the first place". Congrats, you and those like you have made slashdot irrelevant, and a video-less YouTube. Christ the 3rd or forth comment is a racist one. Now tell me I'm gay and we can all walk away happy

    11. Re:Foobar 2000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Foobar2000 isn't open-source, so it doesn't fit the bill here.

    12. Re:Foobar 2000 by mrclisdue · · Score: 4, Funny

      In 8 years of use, I've never had foobar2000 crash, so I suspect you were either using an unstable component or you're not being truthful.

      Indeed, because your truth isn't anecdotal, and the rest of us just come here to waste time telling lies.

      I've used foobar200 for 8.1 years, and I've managed to launch 4 nuclear missiles with it, had it send an elephant to the moon, and just used it yesterday to bake a cheesecake. I, too, have never had it crash, but there was a near miss once on an Antarctic cruise.

      cheers,

    13. Re: Foobar 2000 by TooTechy · · Score: 1

      Well - were you born on the Sabbath? ;-)

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monday's_Child

    14. Re:Foobar 2000 by Ardyvee · · Score: 1

      IIRC the library function is a plug-in. At least, that's what I remember from setting it up. Besides that, it has worked pretty well for me (I'm a new user, though).

      Other than that, it is a fine audio player.

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    15. Re:Foobar 2000 by SIGBUS · · Score: 1

      Not really. I've tried it a couple of times, and got lots of distortion and dropouts. I'd love a Linux port of Foobar, but that's not going to happen.

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    16. Re:Foobar 2000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aww, poor AC gets called out for being a dick. News at 11.

    17. Re:Foobar 2000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yet you're the one getting angry and name calling.

    18. Re:Foobar 2000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wish I had only lost my playlists... the one and only time I tried foobar2000, it managed to crash while initiating, and somehow deleted every single media file in the collection. I'm never going to touch foobar again, no matter what.

    19. Re:Foobar 2000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love Foobar 2000 and have been an avid user for ten years. His first statement isn't exactly false. For the first five years or so, Foobar absolutely could lose all your playlists in a crash. At some point I had foo_jesus.dll which backed up all my playlists and settings (because Jesus saves!). The Foobar team did eventually add that functionality in.

      But yes, it's weird to say there's no media library. It's a really solid feature.

    20. Re:Foobar 2000 by mrclisdue · · Score: 0

      Yet you're the one getting angry and name calling.

      Excuse me?

      ...or you're not being truthful.

      That would be *you*, in before:

      blah, blah...cheers

      my reply to you (no name calling or anger there)

      to which *you* replied:

      is that you are a liar.

      So far, the score on the name-calling front is 2-0, in *your* favour. To which an AC (I'm thinkin' that you're thinkin' 'tis I) calls you a dick, which doesn't really stray from the truth, since you *are* up 2-0. to which you whimper:

      Yet you're the one getting angry and name calling.

      Your newsletter? How do I subscribe?

    21. Re:Foobar 2000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, feed the trolls much?

      Can I subscribe to your newsletter, huh, huh, huh..douchebag

    22. Re:Foobar 2000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think you quite grasp the concept of a threaded forum. Go look it up and then come back when you are ready. While you are at it, get some help for that little anger problem of yours.

    23. Re:Foobar 2000 by DMUTPeregrine · · Score: 1

      There is a central library, you just have to tell it what folders to monitor. And set up the UI to show the library viewer. Then just click "all music" and all the music in the library will be shown in the "library viewer selection" tab.

      Foobar is great, IFF you take the time to customize it to your liking. It comes very, very minimalist, so if you don't want to set it up it's not for you. If you want a player that you can set up however you like, it's for you.

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    24. Re:Foobar 2000 by Anonymous+Cowled · · Score: 2

      Foobar2000. The only piece of software I really miss after moving to Linux.

      If you miss Foobar, try deadbeef. It's not as configurable, but it's a solid little player that will look very familiar to you :)

    25. Re:Foobar 2000 by mspohr · · Score: 2

      Which part of "cross-platform" don't you understand?

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    26. Re:Foobar 2000 by doccus · · Score: 1

      OK playlists, mybe is an issue, but certainly as long as you avoid Apple's proprietary lossless format your songs are safe. I always use AIFF. Hard drive sppace is so cheap these days that for main stoirage, why use anything but AIFF or FLAC. those are the only two non proprietary lossless formats I'ver seen that can keep art and info inside the file.. and on Apples flac doesn't play so because I use both a OSX and Windows, amopng other things, I use the universally compatible AIFF. I gues all those iDevice or Android folks might be suffering that the could only contain 100 albums in AIFF without spending 10 minutes converting them.. but, what they hey.. life is rough!

    27. Re:Foobar 2000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Arduino forum and youtube are not downloading. Electronics. WHo handles such attacks? You think ANYONE can be so attacked and then nothing really catastrophic will happen? Because those ... are just CRETINS.

    28. Re:Foobar 2000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah foobar is a bit like emacs. It's got modules/extensions/addons for everything.
      Would not be surprised if there was a an emacs addon FOR foobar, and vice versa.

    29. Re:Foobar 2000 by BalthCat · · Score: 1

      User customizable by necessity, no? It's pretty crap right out of the box, last I heard.

  3. iTunes by issicus · · Score: 3, Funny

    just give up, like the rest of us...

    1. Re:iTunes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      There is nothing really wrong with iTunes. Unless you're a hopeless open source free software dork who has been influenced by other Slashdorks.

    2. Re:iTunes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      version 11 is everything wrong with itunes, but if you are lucky enough to freeze your updates at 10 its still pretty decent player.

    3. Re:iTunes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      just give up, like the rest of us...

      Do I really need to be logged into some sort of online store (rife with non-stop ads mind you) with my credit card information attached to simply listen to my music collection?

      Short answer? No one does.

      Sorry, don't feel like "give up" has any sort of justification behind it for the 95% of people who use 5% of iTunes functionality in exchange for zero privacy.

      And yeah, I do have reasons to want privacy there. You should too, before Obamacare determines that based on your listening/viewing habits, you have an "unhealthy" lifestyle that you now pay more for.

      Go ahead and laugh at such insanity as the new Amazon drone delivers your next package...no one saw that shit coming either.

    4. Re:iTunes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do I really need to be logged into some sort of online store (rife with non-stop ads mind you) with my credit card information attached to simply listen to my music collection?

      No... Does iTunes enforce this? No.

    5. Re:iTunes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      I tried iTunes once. It installed crapware (Safari) and destroyed the file names of my entire music library, all without asking. I removed every trace of it right then and restored a backup of my music.

      From what I did use of it, it was slow and had the worst UI I have ever seen. The only reason anyone should ever used iTunes is if they are forced to (they own an iPod or iPhone) or if they are an idiot.

    6. Re:iTunes by phayes · · Score: 0, Troll

      How surprising. An idiot without the courage to post under his own name who neither knows how to uncheck the box asking if he'd like safari installed nor uncheck the box telling iTunes to copy files to it's library. All he knows how to do is whine...

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    7. Re:iTunes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It amazes me that anyone would actually install any version past 10.

      I don't use iTunes, I use Coverflow, and iTunes just happened to be the box that Coverflow came in.

      If upgrading means losing the one and only feature I was interested in, then I'm not going to upgrade.

    8. Re:iTunes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      iTunes is free too you dumbshit. Stop saying "dork" you don't know what it means. Saying it makes you it.

    9. Re:iTunes by epyT-R · · Score: 1, Troll

      or maybe
      1. software installs shouldn't default to bundling extra bullshit that really shouldn't be there in the first place?
      2. software shouldn't have features that mess with source files turned on as start up/initial defaults?

      itunes on windows is a piece of shit... hell so is quicktime. What started as a simple directshow/vfw codec turned into a monstrosity that installs tons of bullshit that is not necessary nor asked for.

    10. Re:iTunes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How the fuck is this insightful? God damn, Slashdot is shit these days.

    11. Re:iTunes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "destroyed the file names of my entire music library"

      I gave up on Media Monkey because iTunes is much better at organising my library and renaming the files to a given convention. I, like the OP, would like a good alternative but iTunes (v 10, I do not upgrade) is the best.

    12. Re:iTunes by noh8rz10 · · Score: 1

      What do you mean something about Cover Flow? That's just the way of browsing albums in iTunes, has nothing to do it actually quit playing music.!! I mean if you're saying that the new the new version of iTunes browses differently can your old one but you don't use iTunes to play songs you just use it stress your library and I guess what you're saying makes sense, but still kind of weird don't you
        think

    13. Re:iTunes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      or maybe
      1. He should have read the installation options.
      2. (end of problem)

      Anybody that enjoys reading slashdot should have enough basic computer experience to know that you have to check for bundled software install options when installing free software.
      He has no excuse. He obviously installed without checking the installation options. He did it wrong. He needs to stop bitching about it.

    14. Re:iTunes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It only installed Safari if you were an idiot and didn't look at the checkboxes before installing/updating. Nice job, attentive one.

    15. Re:iTunes by phayes · · Score: 1

      So, how many toolbars are on your browsers, hmmm? 4? 5? Nah, probably more... Your rig seems slow too, right? Even after you downloaded & installed every optimizer you could find. It's beyond your comprehension.

      Personally, I only install QuickTime/win so Mediamonkey can manage my iDevices, never used iTunes/win, availed myself of the options to not install stuff I didn't want & configure what I do want so it works the way I want it to. Yeah yeah also beyond your comprehension...

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    16. Re:iTunes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is "phayes" your true, legal name? Didn't think so, hypocrite.

      There was no checkbox for Safari or for copying my library when I tried iTunes. Maybe they changed it in more recent versions. Still, it's ridiculous because it's opt-out for Safari and the only reason for that is Apple wants to trick users into installing it. Making a copy of my ENTIRE library is out of the question because it would both be a waste of space and a nightmare to manage two sets of the same music.

      Thanks for your opinion, but I'll stick to my vastly superior music player.

    17. Re:iTunes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope, it never asked and never presented it as an option, it just silently slipped it in there. I am sorry that you got stuck with such a shitty piece of software and have never known a real music player.

      This was iTunes 5 or maybe 6, so next time, before you open your mouth and make a fool of yourself, you should know what you are talking about. Even if that isn't how iTunes is now, anything that has crapware bundled that is opt-out is an instant fail.

    18. Re:iTunes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Try coverJuke or foobar2000. They both have cover flow like browsing. The former has it as a primary feature and the latter has it has an add-on component.

      coverJuke is open source software and is really simple to setup, but the nice thing about using the foobar2000 component is you can customize the way covers move however you want with a little scripting.

    19. Re:iTunes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Every fscking time I go to run an installer for something these days (non-opensource), I get asked about installing *something* I really don't want (chrome, google toolbar, etc), and *every single time* the default is to install it.

      Annoys the living fsck out of me, no, I don't want your extra BS, if I did, I'd download it.

    20. Re:iTunes by Monoman · · Score: 1

      Unless you have a very large library in various formats. iTunes for me is one of the worst applications I have ever battled with and I doubt they will ever make it suitable for folks like that me that feel Foobar 2000 is a great app.

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    21. Re:iTunes by jo_ham · · Score: 4, Informative

      or maybe
      1. software installs shouldn't default to bundling extra bullshit that really shouldn't be there in the first place?
      2. software shouldn't have features that mess with source files turned on as start up/initial defaults?

      itunes on windows is a piece of shit... hell so is quicktime. What started as a simple directshow/vfw codec turned into a monstrosity that installs tons of bullshit that is not necessary nor asked for.

      It doesn't mess with your source files by default.

      By default it copies the music you point it at on initial startup into its own folder. The source files are left 100% untouched, other than reading the data off the disk.

      Of course, this means that it essentially duplicates your music library on install, so if you're hurting for hard drive space you'll be in a world of hurt (i.e., you get duplicates of everything, thus doubling the size taken up by the music), but once it has read that initial folder of music it never touches it again. To counter this you can tell iTunes to work with the folder system you already have and to not manage it automatically. This is *not* the default option.

    22. Re: iTunes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think we are missing the true issue here. users use iTunes for two reasons. apples devices are forced to sync with it, or for music discovery and purchases that will sync with ease to your device. To find a music player that will do that, none exists yet. Ithing owners will always need to use iTunes as Apple intended.

    23. Re: iTunes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you move country's, have an unpaid order, or violate the terms they can and do lock you account. Also all content is locked by location. If you buy music from the us and move to ca that music may no longer be available to you. create a new Apple I'd? We will lock your accounts and delete your data.

    24. Re:iTunes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      foobar2000 has an awesome mass tagger and file manipulation functions. I love how I can tag based on filename or rename/move/sort based on tags. It makes it super easy to have all of my music follow the exact naming and tagging conventions that I want instead of what some company wants.

    25. Re:iTunes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does iTunes and all of the other services running continually contact the mother ship even if you aren't logged on or even running iTunes? Yes, you have to firewall it to make it stop, "enforce" has nothing to do with it.

    26. Re:iTunes by LinuxIsGarbage · · Score: 1

      The only reason anyone should ever used iTunes is if they are forced to (they own an iPod or iPhone) or if they are an idiot.

      I have an iPod Touch. Although a lot of Third party programs can sync normal iPods, most can't do iOS devices without iTunes drivers. Although it requires iTunes drivers (which there's ways of installing without the whole stupid program), I use CopyTransManager to sync music and videos to my iPod, and iFunbox to sync files with apps.

      Only free as in beer, but a lot better than using iTunes.

    27. Re:iTunes by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      There is nothing special about iTunes. Why anyone remains fixated on it in 2013 is a bizzare mystery.

      A "brand X" fixation is for clueless losers.

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    28. Re:iTunes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Coverflow is more than just a way to browse albums.

      I have iTunes 10 running on a computer hooked to a large flat-screen TV, which I use as a jukebox.

      Set it to random play. Song starts, up comes the cover art.

      Song finishes, and switches. Up comes the cover art for the next song. A never-ending and ever-changing music of music and visuals.

      I've spent years cataloging my collection, hunting down covers not just for every album I own, but for every single as well. I have a fairly massive collection, and all of it is plugged into Coverflow and ready to go at a moment's notice.

      Coverflow is Simple. It's Elegant. It is, in a word, ART.

      And what does apple do? Rips it out and replaces it with an information junk-drawer that only a marketing drone could love.

      Unfortunately, I don't have high hopes of ever seeing Apple put it back, because without Steve Jobs around to yell at them when they screw up, it seems they've lost their ability to tell a good idea from a bad idea.

    29. Re:iTunes by issicus · · Score: 0

      "itunes on windows is a piece of shit... hell so is quicktime." quicktime (player) is a piece of shit. It doesn't even support apple's own Intermediate codec on osx , and forget about windows.

    30. Re:iTunes by doccus · · Score: 1

      No shit. I made the mistake of updating to 11 thinking it was like the Jobs era updates, where each one was ioan improvement. On Snow Leopard. Problem is, the newer versions of OSX come standard with that POS. Anyone check to see if it's possibl;e to downgrade without the system bitching. Especially that seriously user unfriendly "Mavericks" Reminds me of when M$ got invasive on their OSs./.. MAybe Nathan should do a "Mavericks is Evil" bit now!

    31. Re:iTunes by mjwx · · Score: 0

      The only reason anyone should ever used iTunes is if they are forced to (they own an iPod or iPhone) or if they are an idiot.

      These two things are pretty much the same.

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    32. Re:iTunes by Camembert · · Score: 1

      I agree about its general slowness on windows. It must be said that on osx it works smoothly, from my direct experience, i like to buy music and apps through it, and it plays music through an apple tv and an airport express in the house, without any configuration.

    33. Re:iTunes by jo_ham · · Score: 2

      How could it not support Apple's Intermediate Codec? - Apple Inter codec is something that was used by Final Cut Pro, which based its entire video handling ability on the Quicktime API.

      That makes no sense.

    34. Re:iTunes by phayes · · Score: 1

      Anyone looking for a Franco-American system engineer would have little problem finding me using phayes you sniveling coward & I'm fairly well known here where I live. Is hiding behind mommy's skirts the only way you can express yourself or will you come out and grow a pair?

      You're a liar as well as a sniveling coward as Safari was an optional install and the option to use your own library structure has always existed even if you were too dumb to actually look & find it.

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    35. Re:iTunes by issicus · · Score: 1

      I should have clarified , quicktime player wont play an AIC file without converting it.

    36. Re:iTunes by jo_ham · · Score: 1

      Is that Quicktime Player X or Quicktime Player 7?

      Due to the rewrite of Player X (for all the reasons people have been moaning about for a decade), some of the more esoteric parts were left by the wayside, which is why v7 is still around to this day. I would still consider Quicktime Player X to be almost beta quality software - it's nowhere near as flexible as 7 was. For example, I have no idea why it can't just use any old codec you drop into the library folder.

    37. Re:iTunes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or they are smarter than you and know how to keep it from renaming files and remove bloatware beforehand?

  4. best solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    fuck your iTunes library. Set up mpd with a decent client like ncmpcpp. Light years ahead of Apple bloatware.

    1. Re:best solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Looking at this page, most particularly the "what MPD is not" section, I see very little that's light years ahead of anything at all. A daemon that plays music (on the local system) at the requests of client applications. Consider my mind totally fucking blown.

      And what does "light years ahead" mean in a music player anyway?

      Required features:

      • * Play music

      Optional features:

      • * everything else
    2. Re:best solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shut the fuck up. mpd and ncmpcpp are missing tons of features and the search features are terrible if you have anything other than a miniscule music collection. If you're happy with that great, but don't pretend that it's not terribly basic.

    3. Re: best solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Moo?

      What other music player let's you search and then pipe the output to grep and *then* pipe the output back to the music player as input?

      None that I know of. Mpd (and the mpc client software) are indeed lightyears ahead. That, in combination with the mpdroid client for android is more than enough for my library.

    4. Re:best solution by Dasher42 · · Score: 1

      Since browsing this conversation, I had to give mpd a try with Cantata client. Almost perfect! I just want to have ratings and tags for mood/tempo/setting and so forth, preferably built into the server.

    5. Re: best solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ithing owners will always need to use iTunes. You can't replace it unless you change devices. This is why people use iTunes. You don't by choose to sync a windows phone with iTunes, you use iTunes because you have an ithing.

    6. Re:best solution by weilawei · · Score: 1

      You and everyone else's pet feature. MPD is a real Unix Philosophy tool. It does one thing, does it well, and doesn't try to be Emacs. (Couldn't resist that last bit...)

    7. Re: best solution by weilawei · · Score: 1

      A simple google for "open source itunes sync" suggests that this is not merely uninformed, but flat out incorrect. Personally, I use SharePod. GtkPod also works, as does CopyTransManager, etc.. Now, the kicker is that *some* of those need internal components from iTunes--not a good solution--or a jailbroken iPhone with a replaced iPod.app--again a terrible solution. CopyTransManager appears to work without any hackery, but it's only free-as-in-beer, not FLOSS, and it's Windows only. For Linux? Well.. gtkpod support is falling behind.

      This is what you get for using their walled garden (and I speak as someone whose SO owns at least 4 iDevices/Apple computers, ignoring the ones I've forgotten about due to getting dusty in a drawer). Me, I'm happy without an iDevice and I like VLC. Why? I like cheap brick dumbphones, despite having owned fancy smartphones with both iOS and Android in the past. You can't have your privacy *and* their walled garden at this point in time.

    8. Re:best solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A few unique features of mpd, off the top of my head:

      * Handles extremely large music collections with ease
      * Can be controlled remotely (over the network), with ease (see here and here for examples)
      * Can be controlled by multiple clients simultaneously due to the client/server model (imagine a party where everyone with a smartphone has access to a queued jukebox)
      * Many different clients to choose from: windows, linux, mac, command line, GUI,
      * Scriptable

      And there's even more than that. You just have to understand what it's for, and it's not an exact substitute for a standard desktop music player. It's an entirely different paradigm.)

    9. Re:best solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You say "you just have to understand what it's for" - well I don't see the value in having multiple controls for a music collection, so why don't you enlighten everyone?

      I can control every music player I own remotely over the network, via VNC or RDP. Of course, I know this is not what's going on with MPD, but this is hardly a game-changing win in music playing technology. What does remote control really give me? I can't imagine a situation where I care.

      Also, iTunes on OS X is scriptable (as long as you don't mind the horrendous abortion that is Applescript) - so, no, it's not really light years ahead of much at all.

      (I use iTunes, and I find it limited and annoying in some respects... but all I need it to do is play music, and it seems quite capable of doing that)

  5. Clementine Player by cl0secall · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ... is what I went to after ditching iTunes. In addition to getting the podcast(s) I subscribe to, it plays Grooveshark and Digitally Imported in the same playlists as my local files.

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    1. Re:Clementine Player by timeOday · · Score: 1
      Bummer, I was all excited to try it on debian and all I get is a blank screen and a never-ending stream of:

      X Error: BadShmSeg (invalid shared segment parameter) 128
      unknown Extension: 129 (MIT-SHM)

      So, it won't work on remote X, or VNC, or xpra, etc.

    2. Re:Clementine Player by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      clementine is pretty nice except for a few problems that impacted my use.

      * massive memory leak after a few hours of play
      * attempted to write files to fat32 devices with invalid characters... when it failed it failed silently.
      * refused to allow me to put a compiliation album in the album list of the artist that released it. A perfect example of this is Rob Zombie who released several of the songs under White Zombie and as such they get their own track artist. Nope.. shoved in combo up at the top of the list... force it out and it gets split into both Rob and White Zombie below. This could easily be overlooked if they were gracious enough to let me show a tree based on the directories the files are in.

    3. Re:Clementine Player by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      after using amarok 1 for quite some time, i tried to use amarok 2 daily for 3 months or so. gave up, went with clementine.

      clementine is still missing some features i liked/used in amarok 1.4 (filter helper), some features do not work as well (song adding in dynamic mode) and there are some slightly annoying bugs (song metadata not changed in the internal db if you change it from the playlist) - but overall it is a great player.

      thanks to the clementine team :)

      (stupid slashdot, can't log in for some reason)

    4. Re:Clementine Player by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Clementine has a few other problems:

      * Its performance is very poor when manually going next/next/next to find a song you want to hear. For a large playlist there's significant lag - do the shuffling too fast and it'll briefly lock up.

      * It doesn't properly support Unicode in its tags. Often the Unicode tags just don't get printed, which sucks.

      I use Winamp and it can do everything and has no weaknesses (which isn't a surprise given the amount of time it's been around). Unfortunately Clementine is not even in the same ballpark, however it is a youngish project and still has a lot of potential. If you're unfortunate enough to be stuck on Linux, it's probably the most featured player available.

    5. Re:Clementine Player by Richard_J_N · · Score: 2

      I agree. Clementine just works, and stays out of your way otherwise. It responds quickly to external changes to the library (using inotify).
      For me, my music collection is a set of well-ordered files/directories, each with a .m3u playlist and appropriate tags. (The Unix "everything is a file" approach works well here). Then the music player is just for playback, for playing them, and not for editing tags (use easytag), ripping CDs (a shell-script), nor for buying music (CD store).

    6. Re:Clementine Player by Nerdfest · · Score: 1

      I actually quite like Amarok. The sorting, searching and filtering work really well, and I like the Lyrics display as well. The only thing I'm having trouble with is getting it to work as a DAAP client. It sees the source and songs, but won;t play them.

    7. Re:Clementine Player by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      unknown Extension: 129 (MIT-SHM)

      So, it won't work on remote X, or VNC, or xpra, etc.

      Not to particularly support Clementine -- in fact I reject the notion that a music player should depend on any display server, MIT-SHM supporting or not, and thus use mpd -- just saying, at least one of your list doesn't apply at all.

      Dunno about xpra (never heard of it before your post, and from 5 minutes with google I see no reason it can't support MIT-SHM, but I could be missing something, or it could be "possible, but not yet implemented"), but putting VNC on that list is totally insane, as there are quite a number of ways of VNCing to a MIT-SHM-supporting X server. In fact, since Qt and GTK both prefer to use SHM, I'm unaware of any case where it makes any sense to set up an X server for VNCing into without MIT-SHM.

      My normal approach for VNC is to either start a headless X using Xdummy, then use x11vnc to connect to that (I do this for desktop/laptop (most often) and headless servers) or use x11vnc to connect to a desktop/laptop's headful X (when I need to access an already-running application). In both cases, the X clients are on the same machine as the X server, and use MIT-SHM if they like. If you actually have some use case for VNC where neither of these configurations works, or there's some other benefit to using a particular configuration that prevents MIT-SHM from working, I'd like to hear about it.

    8. Re: Clementine Player by staalmannen · · Score: 1

      I also like amarok and was pleasantly surprised to find a shoutcast plugin after getting a bit nostalgic after the news of winamps demise got public.

    9. Re:Clementine Player by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      So, it won't work on remote X, or VNC, or xpra, etc.

      I just stared it under VNC (Fedora 19/KDE). Not sure about the others.

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    10. Re:Clementine Player by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and the latest build finally adds support for ID3 ratings tags, so you can truly go cross-player with your ratings.

      Now I just need to re-rate 16,000 songs for the eleventh time...

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    11. Re:Clementine Player by SIGBUS · · Score: 1

      Have they fixed the lack of gapless playback? The last time I tried Clementine, there were playback gaps between FLAC files, which really shouldn't happen. Is gapless really that hard to do? The same applies for music players on Android, by the way.

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    12. Re:Clementine Player by hawkinspeter · · Score: 1

      I typically start headless VNC sessions by running something like "vnc4server -localhost -geometry 1024x700" but I don't use them for playing music so I haven't tried things like Clementine over it. I wonder if there's much difference over how you run VNC sessions - I'm on Ubuntu and couldn't find Xdummy; any idea which package it's in?

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    13. Re:Clementine Player by timeOday · · Score: 1

      Which one? I'm using tightvncserver. I just tried it on the desktop natively and it did run.

    14. Re:Clementine Player by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, vnc4server does have MIT-SHM, so no problem there.

      Xdummy lives here (and I think it's also included in x11vnc source releases), not sure whether it's packaged for Ubuntu and if so where (you might check x11vnc, but it's not there in Debian) -- I just installed it manually. It's just a wrapper script that generates a modified version of your Xorg.conf (mainly to change the video driver to "dummy") and does some LD_PRELOAD magic to avoid certain standard Xorg behavior like switching VTs (which would otherwise result in needless chaos on headful systems, or errors on headless VPSes that have no VTs).

      The principal benefit of Xdummy over the various dedicated VNC+X servers (including vnc4server) is that you get a mainline Xorg server, with a lot of features that turn out to be useful -- stuff like DRI2, Composite, RENDER, and (pretty sure vnc4server has this, but some don't) RANDR. The former three mostly so you can run practically any desktop program without worrying about missing extensions, the latter so you can handily resize it when you resize the client window or start a client on a different system, and don't want scrolling or wasted space.

      Also, x11vnc is pretty featureful (e.g. server-side scaling -- great for use with mobile/tablet clients which often lack client-side scaling) in ways the VNC+X servers typically aren't (or permit changing only at startup) -- not that you can't run vnc4server, then ignore its built-in VNC server and start x11vnc to take advantage of those features, but that's redundant. IMO it's more sensible to separate the X server and the VNC server into separate programs.

    15. Re:Clementine Player by cl0secall · · Score: 1

      I actually went and tested this because that's probably the only feature I tend to miss from iTunes and/or my iPod (Gen 1 touch).In a test with MP3 files the transition was not gapless, in v1.1.1. Since 1.1.1 isn't the latest version I updated to 1.2.1 and tried again but the results were the same.

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    16. Re:Clementine Player by Anonymous+Cowled · · Score: 1

      Depends on which platform (there's an open defect for OSX and I don't know about Windows), but on Linux it's been gapless if compiled from the git repo for maybe six months.

      Compiling Clementine from source.

    17. Re:Clementine Player by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      I think it's tigervnc-server.

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  6. screw itunes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Get rid of your babby duck syndrome and graduate to a real music player.

    Screw importing your proprietary iTunes library file, just set up mpd by pointing it at your music library. Then, get a nice client like ncmpcpp. Congrats, you have a much more powerful music solution than Apple's bloatware.

    I use mpd to stream music to my phone, and the client (mpdclient) is able to control mpd and do things like edit the playlist. Works awesome, and iTunes will never come close to this.

    1. Re:screw itunes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      How many times are you going to re-write and re-post? It's pretty obvious.

    2. Re:screw itunes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      whoops, i wrote the first comment on my phone and since it didn't ask for a catchpa i assumed it didn't post

      so i came to my desktop and rewrote it in a better format. SO SUE ME

    3. Re:screw itunes by ArbitraryName · · Score: 3, Funny

      How is babby duck formed?

    4. Re:screw itunes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ncmpcpp looks like it was written in the 80s. Everyone else has moved on from all text interfaces, come into the 21st century you'll enjoy it here.

    5. Re: screw itunes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They need to do way instain hen.

    6. Re:screw itunes by mcneely.mike · · Score: 0

      By doing it ducky style! :)

      But watch the dingoes don't eat your babby...

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    7. Re:screw itunes by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      Sure beats the bloated 'skinned' graphics and 100MB worth of support libraries common with today's graphical applications. Winamp 2.x and foobar are examples of gui applications done right.. itunes is an example of it done wrong especially on windows.

    8. Re:screw itunes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure beats the bloated 'skinned' graphics and 100MB worth of support libraries common with today's graphical applications. Winamp 2.x and foobar are examples of gui applications done right.. itunes is an example of it done wrong especially on windows.

      Wait, your are standing behind Winamp, and calling other software "skinned"?
      Winamp was probably the original skinned app.

    9. Re:screw itunes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It Swan!

  7. WinAmp...It Really Kicks a Llama's Ass by VTBlue · · Score: 1

    Download it before the llama dies.

  8. alternativeto.net by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://alternativeto.net/software/itunes/ has several suggestions
    http://www.foobar2000.org/
    or perhaps http://www.atunes.org/

  9. Clementine by maugle · · Score: 4, Informative

    I like Clementine, mostly because it seems to be the only music player in existence which displays the image embedded in a song's MP3 file. All the others I've tried insist on displaying the same single image (which they found in the first song they happened to scan) for every song in my entire playlist.

    Also, If anyone knows of a music player for Android which can do the same, I'd love to hear of it.

    1. Re:Clementine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Poweramp. Hands down the best music player I've ever used. It's a paid app though.

    2. Re:Clementine by kevmeister · · Score: 3, Informative

      Rocket Player comes pretty close.It will allow my Android to do almost everything that an iPod will do including use the image from the file,though that has to be set in "Settings" or it will also use the image from the first song. The only place it fails is that it does not recognize the "Music Video" STIK.

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    3. Re:Clementine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      mortplayer music will do this. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.stohelit.folderplayer&hl=en

    4. Re:Clementine by grege1 · · Score: 1

      I also endorse Rocket Player. It has the simplest procedure for creating playlists and you can add more to an existing playlist any time. Or just play whole albums if that is your preference. I have tried many many Android music players and my Xperia Z has the Walkman app, but I always end up with Rocket Player.

    5. Re:Clementine by Nerdfest · · Score: 1

      Amarok does this as well.

    6. Re:Clementine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What amarok doesn't let you do, at least last I checked, is to change/remove cover art from individual mp3 files.

    7. Re:Clementine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed, I use poweramp. However, I don't know if it can display individual embedded images, I just use one image per folder/album.

    8. Re:Clementine by ChoGGi · · Score: 1

      anon beat me to it, but if you don't browse at 0 then

      MortPlayer is nice, supports images embedded in your audio files

    9. Re:Clementine by Nerdfest · · Score: 1

      It does now (2.8.0).

    10. Re:Clementine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rhythmbox shows the embedded image as well. Don't know about Android.

    11. Re:Clementine by Nerdfest · · Score: 1

      Sorry, I double-checked, and you are correct. You can only set covers for an album, not each individual song in the album. You can do that *from* each individual song in the interface, which is why I thought you could.

    12. Re:Clementine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I really like PlayerPro. The first android app I ever bought. It handles the ID3 images with no problems. The main reason is because it handled my car stereo when connecting with my Nexus One via bluetooth. Other players, like PowerAmp, would work but only if I started playing it manually via the app first instead through the controls on my stereo. I would have to repeat this anytime I paused the song and waited over 20ish seconds. Others would also fail to disconnect from bluetooth too.. PlayerPro handled it all nicely and it's even nicer with my Nexus 5. PlayerPro also has skins, lockscreen widgets, ID3 editing, mixer controls, tons of options, etc. Check out the trial version at least..

  10. Miro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It sucks, but it sucks slightly less than other open source media players.

    1. Re:Miro by cs80 · · Score: 1

      Beware of Miro. Even though they're an open-source project, their default installer comes bundled with various 'revenue-enhancing' toolbars. The main app seems designed to drive revenue to Miro, too.

  11. Amarok/Clementine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    They both have the same library management mechanisms, and come from the same place. There are a bunch of differences though.

    Clementine is more old school and the development team seems to focus on online services (spotify, grooveshark and whatnot).
    The playlist management is pretty basic though

    Amarok is flashier and has much fewer online services, but is top notch for automatic playlists, both the automatic playlist generator and the dynamic mode are awesome.
    There was a GSoC this year that brought to Amarok the ability to import and export libraries from a bunch of other media player (including iTunes).http://konradzemek.com
    There's no official mac port though, because no Amarok developer uses a mac.

    1. Re:Amarok/Clementine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Came here to suggest the same thing. Amarok's my preference of the two, but Clementine is a decent fallback.

      Not sure about other OSes, but on Linux amarok does a good job interacting with connected media players, has some of the best playlist generation tools I've encountered (both for the player itself and for making playlists for your devices), and has a lot of random extras that will vary in usefulness from person to person (what I like you might hate, etc.).

      The devs consider it more than just a music player, so it gets extra features and tools, similarly to how iTunes is more than just a music player. People will bitch that it uses more resources because of this, but that doesn't mean it's a bad approach. Different tools for different needs.

    2. Re:Amarok/Clementine by jo_ham · · Score: 1

      Amarok is what I used to play my iTunes music on Ubuntu, back when I was using it on my old Powerbook (main machine runs OS X and is the home of the library). Works pretty well, but I was only using it occasionally.

  12. Re:You could always... by Lisias · · Score: 5, Insightful

    winamp always worked for me. So simple, so tiny...

    So missed. :-(

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  13. An ugly spreadsheet that plays music. by tpstigers · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wow. Replacing that is going to be a tall order.

    1. Re:An ugly spreadsheet that plays music. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Considering how many alternatives there are out there that reinvent the wheel over and over, yes, it has been a tall order

      This is not a compliment to iTunes, but I am amazed by how many times people have tried to come up with a "media player/management" program.

    2. Re:An ugly spreadsheet that plays music. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      The OP's mistake was looking for something with the same iTunes style spreadsheet interface. Any half decent app will have a hierarchical display and powerful search facility, for a start.

      It was an absolute disaster when iTunes came out and everyone started to copy the interface. It held back advancements for years.

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    3. Re:An ugly spreadsheet that plays music. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's amazing how many bad ideas Apple has had, and nobody recognizes it as a bad idea and just copies it.

      No ports on back of laptop (F-ing stupid, now everything hangs out the side where it is in the way of the mouse and everything else.

      Ugly/crappy iTunes software.

      Non-removable batteries. (I took a laptop back for that reason alone, and bought another brand.)

      They need to replicate Apple's money making ability, not their crappy ideas.

    4. Re:An ugly spreadsheet that plays music. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      emacs?

    5. Re:An ugly spreadsheet that plays music. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks, I cant be the only one who is sick of iTunes' UI and its clones.

      I have never once felt the need to search music by year or album for instance. It's an inheretly primitive way to make playlists. I just want to a search engine like UI that lets me manage playlists with as few click as possible.

    6. Re:An ugly spreadsheet that plays music. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow. Replacing that is going to be a tall order.

      This is a juvenile retort that is all too common. I find the "ugly spreadsheet" to be ideal! I don't give a shit about visualization, ads, CSS styled album art and music store pitches. I don;t want to see any of that. I don't want 1/3 of the screen overtaken by bizarre and ludicrously oversized and overstyled player buttons and another 1/3 taken up by a CDDB failed lookup message.

      I want a quickly searchable and sortable list or lists providing me easy access to my music. I also want it without having to be a DBA, so STFU Amarok developer snobs. For all your knowing better, you managed to shoot straight into complete irrelevance. Congrats!

      Meanwhile "ugly spreadsheet" iTunes continues to be the most used AND most money making(!) of them all. Suck it.

    7. Re:An ugly spreadsheet that plays music. by immaterial · · Score: 1

      A hierarchical display, like the column browser?

      As for search, the full-library keyword search is more than enough 99% of the time I'm looking to jump to an artist/album, but if you want to get more complex, smart playlists let you search your library for files using just about any criteria and combination you can imagine (no regex though, not that I've ever found need to regex search my music). Smart playlists are seriously iTunes' most powerful feature and I've never seen it satisfactorily duplicated in any other music player.

      iTunes' database/spreadsheetness is it's most powerful feature - you're not limited to just one set folder hierarchy for navigating your music. iTunes gives the user a myriad ways to look at their data; sometimes too many, really. TBH, all the newer UI views that make iTunes "pretty" instead of looking like a spreadsheet are simply more silly and time-consuming to navigate. Fortunately they've left the spreadsheet-style views available for people who aren't afraid of data.

      iTunes certainly has lots of issues, especially on Windows where it's buggy and (from what I hear) slow, and it suffers terribly from a decade of feature-creep and try-to-be-everything-for-interfacing-with-iOS, but if you simply use it as a music library/player it can be fantastic.

  14. Shameless plug by gQuigs · · Score: 3, Informative

    Ubuntu 12.04 Overview: http://bryanquigley.com/reviews/12-04-music-player-review-my-top-choices
    (also has a stuck on Windows section)

  15. Library & Playlist in separate windows by globaljustin · · Score: 2

    iTunes is sort of like a stubborn child...it will do everything else before the right thing...

    I use iTunes of course ;)

    One place iTunes still hasn't caught up to Winamp's late 90s releases..."playlist"

    See, if you never used Winap by default it had two windows that listed your music files...one was a "library" which listed all your songs (in a file tree if you wanted IIRC). The other was you "playlist" which was...the songs you were playing in order.

    You could of course save a cool playlist, and open it...all your saved "playlists" were also listed in the "library" window. You could have two "playlist" windows open at the same time...resizing each as needed...

    I know iTunes tried w/ their little "up next" thing but it's 5 abstraction layers and 10 clicks too many...

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    1. Re:Library & Playlist in separate windows by gnounc · · Score: 1

      I miss winamp 2. It was perfect. Another vote for clementine though www.clementine-player.org If they ever add a minimode and fix automatic mp3 tagging, it will be the perfect player. That said I'm going to go see what amarok is up to.

    2. Re:Library & Playlist in separate windows by globaljustin · · Score: 1

      I totally went and downloaded the latest Winamp after posting that...

      ah the good old days **rattles cane**

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    3. Re:Library & Playlist in separate windows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Double click the play list in the source column... problem solved.

    4. Re:Library & Playlist in separate windows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Am I the only one around here that noticed winamp just didn't sound very good?

    5. Re:Library & Playlist in separate windows by batwingTM · · Score: 1

      You see, I used to use Winamp back in the day, and for my meager MP3 collection it was perfect, but I never really liked the management of playlists/library.

      I do remember sending an email to the "Development Team" in 1998 asking about what changes were going to occur with the Library/Playlist manager and I got an email back that basically was full of abuse that I would dare ask such a "Fucking stupid question" and that I should "Fuck off and die"

      Yeah, so I never used Winamp again. Sonique was pretty good, but that is also a proprietary license, so doesn't answer your question

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    6. Re:Library & Playlist in separate windows by Anonymous+Cowled · · Score: 1

      Am I the only one around here that noticed winamp just didn't sound very good?

      Is that because of the badly encoded 128kb mp3s you pulled from Napster and Gnutella rather than the player?

  16. Quodlibet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    quodlibet has excellent searching and tag editing

  17. Exaile by corychristison · · Score: 1

    I've also been searching for a new music player.

    Right now trying Exaile. It seems to work alright.

    I only listen to music as background noise while I'm programming, however. I had it load the entire /Media/Music directory and play on random.

    1. Re:Exaile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Never got a feel for iTunes (clunky for what it does). But Exaile has been a good fit for me. Have held back to version 0.2.14 as I don't like the tag editor in the newer versions. Disclosure: used in the past WinAMP, XMMS, Amarok (loved it pre-2.0 before half of the features were dropped), and a few others.

  18. Linux by Shadyman · · Score: 1

    On Linux, I prefer Amarok. On Windows, Winamp.

    1. Re:Linux by kermidge · · Score: 1

      One thing that might help - find a Windows program to your liking (one most compatible with your needs and usage) and run it in a Windows virtual machine. I suggest using Virtualbox as it's free and easy to set up and use. Playing sound from it or through to your Linux host should both work OK. Requires spare Windows OS and key.

      Doing it this way would let you have the greater selection of programs.

      Years back I used iTunes on my first XP install (upgrade from 98SE) and it worked, albeit the GUI interface was kinda clunky. Bought some music and a few movies. That was years back and several Windows and Linux installs ago - and I've no idea how to go about getting to my old stuff off of there. Ditto for the music I bought from MSN and Walmart - the keyfiles are long gone and the servers gone as well. I'm out a couple of hundred dollars. Doesn't help I was homeless and without a system during the time they allowed one to get their files. Live and learn: don't get locked in; download your stuff; make backups - lots of backups. Above all, don't buy anything that you're not allowed to own. (I run XP in a vm as a convenience, but I don't forget that one doesn't buy Windows, one leases the privilege of using it.)

  19. Never used iTunes by __aaqvdr516 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've never used iTunes. I just use folders and store everything by /Artist/Album. It's easy enough to right click the folder and select "play in VLC".

    1. Re:Never used iTunes by NotSanguine · · Score: 2

      I've never used iTunes. I just use folders and store everything by /Artist/Album. It's easy enough to right click the folder and select "play in VLC".

      I do the same. I'm old so I actually own CDs and started ripping them all back in the '90s. I used CDex for that and it works really nicely. I use WinAmp to play my music and it works quite nicely as well.

      I tried using iTunes on some of my relatives' devices and it sucks really badly. I would say that just about anything would be better than iTunes.

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    2. Re:Never used iTunes by kehren77 · · Score: 1

      I've never used iTunes. I just use folders and store everything by /Artist/Album. It's easy enough to right click the folder and select "play in VLC".

      And how exactly do you create playlists this way?

    3. Re:Never used iTunes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Drag files to the playlist window. I don't need .M3U files, I don't need a huge "library" of anything and everything sorted 5,000 ways, wasting tons of hard drive space and CPU cycles building a database; I just need my files organized the way *I* want.

    4. Re:Never used iTunes by thetrivialstuff · · Score: 0

      Make a folder and put symlinks in it.

    5. Re:Never used iTunes by hobarrera · · Score: 1

      I'd never though of adding such an option to the right-click menu on directories. Quite creative and extremely strightforward with Thunar! :)
      Thanks for the hint! ^_^

    6. Re:Never used iTunes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Select files. Right click + add to VLC's playlist (Windows). Save the playlist as an .m3u or whatever extension it is.

    7. Re:Never used iTunes by uglyduckling · · Score: 1

      Yes, I suppose if you're organising your music on a 386SX25 with 10Mb RAM, the 'tons of hard drive space' used by a flat database would be a major concern.

    8. Re:Never used iTunes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Drag files to the playlist window. I don't need .M3U files, I don't need a huge "library" of anything and everything sorted 5,000 ways, wasting tons of hard drive space and CPU cycles building a database; I just need my files organized the way *I* want.

      And if you want to easily switch between playing your workout playlist, commute playlist or whatever, on your phone, and sync changes you make back to the other devices?

    9. Re:Never used iTunes by skastrik · · Score: 1

      Well, if you prefer to listen to whole albums, like the artist hopefully had in mind, then you don't need playlists.
      I personally use the tiny folder-player 1by1 for this.

    10. Re:Never used iTunes by __aaqvdr516 · · Score: 1

      If it's on my MP3 player, right click the folder and select 'create playlist'. Everything on my MP3 player can just be copy/paste from the PC. Since it's already in a folder list by /artist/album/ it's easy to find.

      If I'm on the PC, right click folder and 'add to VLC media player playlist'.

      If you want to save the playlist for multiple playbacks, save the playlist with VLC.

    11. Re:Never used iTunes by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      Same here as well. I have a very large collection (600+ gig) all nicely organized by either /artist/album or in some cases /record label/artist/album (sounds strange but it works best for some of the stuff I do)I also ripped a whole lot of CDs in the 90s as well.I used winamp religiously, even created my own skins for it (figure I was 12-16 in the time frame) but these days I just use the file structure find the folder I want to play usually I play based on artist and ill just hit the play all on the artist folder. It wont work for everyone but it works for me

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    12. Re:Never used iTunes by Bob_Who · · Score: 1

      I just use folders and store everything by /Artist/Album. It's easy enough to right click the folder and select "play in VLC".

      Yep. Me too. Just like my data files, docs, photos, film, and legacy analog collection: WYSIWYG

  20. Separate functions... by msauve · · Score: 1

    You seem to be asking for a player which will organize files. You don't have to choose one thing which does both.

    In my experience, iTunes does just fine for organizing files into a directory structure. Also free (as in beer, not libre), Mediamonkey is pretty flexible.

    For playback, have you looked at Subsonic? It's free (as in libre, not beer). Multi-platform client support, and a server architecture which lets you access your library from anywhere without having to carry it around. You just point it at the directory structure that your organizer creates. It will also do streaming transcoding.

    The one thing that nothing seems to handle well are compilations - there's the dichotomy between "albums" as they are released vs. organizing based on artist, etc.

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    1. Re:Separate functions... by TheP4st · · Score: 1

      The one thing that nothing seems to handle well are compilations - there's the dichotomy between "albums" as they are released vs. organizing based on artist, etc.

      which is my only serious gripe with Clemetine, sure there are some clunky ways to work around it it but they aren't pretty. That aside, I do find that Clemenitine do the job very well, and based on the few times I've encountered iTunes I'd that say anything is an improvement

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  21. Not the best form of the question. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ask, what are some alternatives to iTunes. I'm especially interested in FLOSS solutions.

    Making FLOSS a requirement actually prevents you from potentially supporting a superior, well written, private project. There isn't grounds to claim a moral stance when everyday most morally confused /. posters invest daily in lots of products that are closed source, whether it's the Colonel's 11 herbs and spices or the ECU in their car (seriously, how may FLOSS whackjobs buy / mod a car to run Megasquirt, which is a close to FLOSS, but still a copyright protected product).

    1. Re:Not the best form of the question. by weilawei · · Score: 1

      Minor quibble. FLOSS *is* copyright protected. The authors simply choose to allow everyone to copy freely. That's why we have licenses that specifically say this. But in no way does that change the existence of copyright, which comes into being at the birth of any sort of "document". It does not need to be registered or even stated anywhere. Under US law, the instant you create an original work, it's copyrighted, owned by you.

  22. VItunes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://danielchoi.com/software/vitunes.html

    (It uses mplayer.)

    1. Re:VItunes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://danielchoi.com/software/vitunes.html

      (It uses mplayer.)

      Sorry, this is it:

      http://vitunes.org/

  23. Replace iTunes??? by BringsApples · · Score: 4, Funny

    You could probably go out and get a homeless person and just hand them all of your music. Just tell them to do whatever they want with it. It'll be a better interface, and at least someone will know where the hell all of your music is.

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  24. Do you need everything in one tool? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I use beets to organize my music collection , you can then use any player you like.

  25. Logitech Mediaserver by m.hataj · · Score: 3, Informative

    This was the one and only serving a TB-size musiccollection well.
    You can stream to different speakers, laptops, mobile phones in parallel.
    It's really good as DLNA server and you can have him on Linux, Mac, Windows, NAS, BSD.

    http://www.mysqueezebox.com/download

    I'm not sure on the FLOSS status, there are a lot parts from this development on sourceforge and github.
    And yes, it's running local as your server without any ties to Logitech.
    Give version 7.7 up to 7.8 a try, higher ones are crippled.

    1. Re:Logitech Mediaserver by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you tried MPD and MPC? I don't know about TB-size music collections, but in general, it handles huge collections pretty well.

    2. Re:Logitech Mediaserver by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This was the one and only serving a TB-size musiccollection well. You can stream to different speakers, laptops, mobile phones in parallel. It's really good as DLNA server and you can have him on Linux, Mac, Windows, NAS, BSD.

      http://www.mysqueezebox.com/download

      I'm not sure on the FLOSS status, there are a lot parts from this development on sourceforge and github. And yes, it's running local as your server without any ties to Logitech. Give version 7.7 up to 7.8 a try, higher ones are crippled.

      I love Logitech Media Server because it's the only Linux program (as far as I am aware) capable of streaming to multiple clients and keeping their playback synchronized. It's also flexible. One can have more than one zone (group of synchronized players) and control the playback for each zone.

      Your claim that newer versions are crippled worries me. Could you be more specific about the anti-features? Also, is anyone aware of forks of Logitech Media Server that have sprung up in response to the crippling?

  26. AIMP by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

    A couple of months ago, I switched to AIMP. I hate iTunes like sin itself. Never liked anything about it. If I didn't have to use it to put files onto my wife's iPad, I wouldn't allow it anywhere in my house. I can't believe that in 2013 she can only use an iPad properly with one computer.

    AIMP even works with most Winamp plug-ins, has a clean interface and light footprint. The skin I'm using has some nice meters, a proper equalizer and everything I'd want in a player.

    I'd still be using Winamp, but I'm pissed that it's going away, so I just decided to uninstall it once and for all.

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    1. Re:AIMP by uglyduckling · · Score: 1

      "I can't believe that in 2013 she can only use an iPad properly with one computer" - what do you mean by that statement?

  27. Try iTunes ... by psergiu · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Try iTunes on OS X.
    It's much harder, better, faster and stronger that the Windows version.

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    1. Re:Try iTunes ... by Sorny · · Score: 1, Insightful

      "Try iTunes on OS X.
      It's much harder, better, faster and stronger that the Windows version."

      No kidding. I'm rolling with almost a half-TB library and it just screams.

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    2. Re:Try iTunes ... by PayPaI · · Score: 1, Troll

      I've got about 1100 albums in a library of over 300GB (90% lossless), even running with the actual tracks on my NAS over WiFi to my MBP, it's very fast.
      I don't understand the people who say it's slow, maybe it's slow under WinXP on qemu on a raspberry pi?

    3. Re: Try iTunes ... by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 2

      Might want to turn the volume down then.

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    4. Re:Try iTunes ... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      The OP asks for a free, open music player and you suggest he buys a Mac. Someone else mods you insightful. Well done Slashdot.

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    5. Re:Try iTunes ... by jo_ham · · Score: 1

      The OP asks for a free, open music player and you suggest he buys a Mac. Someone else mods you insightful. Well done Slashdot.

      It's the flip side of the coin of all those "iTunes music is DRM and your kids will go to jail" posts that are getting insightful mods. ;)

  28. lick the frog: ogg frog by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ogg Frog. It's FREE software written by a dirty GNU hippy. It's written in exception safe C++ by a professional software engineer architect and super debugger -- so you know it's bug free (unlike VLC or iTunes). It's also multi platform (using the rock solid zoo lib for native look and feel) with support for Linux, Windows 98, BeOS, and OS/2, and MacOS 7. Despite the name, it supports both Ogg Vorbis and MP3s.

    Ogg Frog.

    1. Re:lick the frog: ogg frog by TooTechy · · Score: 1

      Does this still exist? I can't find the original site anymore.

    2. Re:lick the frog: ogg frog by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The domains expired while the programmer was in jail. But it's FREE software so the police can never destroy it.

  29. Apparently nobody here used iTunes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In iTunes you don't play fucking radio or setting your stone-aged playlist, you don't even need to know about single songs except in the "Current Playing...".

    You put whole albums and pick up albums in library to play by genre => author => album-name, all three are recognized by scanning tags. If you manage to collect songs of a album from different sources it's likely to break due to inconsistent/lack-of tag information.

    Audio players are all there, but very few have such simple libraries that don't require more than 2/3 clicks or keyboard to locate and play an album. The whole xmms/winamp-like design is anti-iTunes. It's everything that iTunes is NOT.

    1. Re:Apparently nobody here used iTunes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      iTunes was called an 'ugly spreadsheet' earlier, but it's that spreadsheet-ness that makes it so powerful.

  30. Who wants to pay for music? by GoodNewsJimDotCom · · Score: 0

    I used to use Napster, then P2P equivalents. It isn't like I'm buying music anyway. For a while back in the 90s, people bought the lie that CDs were super expensive to make and that is why albums were so expensive. Now with CDs are seen to be nearly free, and you see how much they try and gouge you for something you could dub off the radio if you wanted. RIAA is out suing everyone they can find. They sued a dive bar in nowheresville(where I live) for 100,000$ and won just this past year. I especially don't want to give a dime to RIAA.

    If you want to support artists, don't use iTunes. Go use youtube and put your MP3 in a player, or burn to CD. If you want to support artists, either go see them in concert or paypal their personal account. I'd say write them a check, but they probably don't have mailing addies for sake of privacy.

    I'm tired of this whole situation where people try not only to charge for something that is free, but also try and stop people from getting stuff for free too.

    1. Re:Who wants to pay for music? by cs80 · · Score: 1

      Actually, I've been using iTunes to manage my mostly-pirated 250GB MP3 collection. I just don't want to run software that contains code for monetizing me when I don't want to be. Even Amarok tries to push you into using proprietary streaming services, which is the music player version of Ubuntu' including Amazon in the Dash View- and don't get me started on Miro. So much hidden bundleware and added "services".

    2. Re:Who wants to pay for music? by GoodNewsJimDotCom · · Score: 1

      I hope you find a FLOSS solution then. I didn't know iTunes was good for anything than a walled garden. I didn't realize you could bring in MP3s outside the ones you bought. You know there's probably a market for a FLOSS itune clone in a way now you bring it to my attention. Make it friendly for general MP3s, but be more transparent to get lesser known artists on the track to being paid and discovered. It is hard for a new artist to get discovered now, but if there was an official place to go to promote yourself outside of youtube. If you combine monetization(selling tracks+shared ads) with promotion, all the artist should technically have to do is make music and stick it onto this place. Finally you'd want a way to do something to find people who are fans of the same artists as you, so you can find music you might like, but haven't discovered yet.

      Finally if you want to get really into it... Second Life is dated. If someone would just make a P2P version without worrying about countering hacks, you could make dance halls. Allow people to invent their own dances, and even sell their own dances and you take a cut. Allow people to make mesh objects, dance hall, avatars, particle effects, etc. Allow them to make those on their own, import and sell(where you take a small cut), and there you have a place where people could play their own music they downloaded off your service to people visiting their dance hall. Of course they'd need to hack it to play someone else's music, and your position would be you're against that. But the music people upload to your service would specifically license to be able to be played to small and large audiences.

    3. Re:Who wants to pay for music? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I hope you find a FLOSS solution then. I didn't know iTunes was good for anything than a walled garden. I didn't realize you could bring in MP3s outside the ones you bought. You know there's probably a market for a FLOSS itune clone in a way now you bring it to my attention.

      Not only that, but if you pay $50 Apple will give you a free 256kbps MPEG-4 copy of all your pirated music, assuming they have a copy of that song in the store.

      Also, for music it's not a walled garden, Apple doesn't have DRM on any of the music in their store. It's all industry standard m4a files.

      Video content from the store has DRM but not audio. You can also import video content from elsewhere, as long as it's in a supported format (not sure about windows, but on OS X you can install third party codec plugins into iTunes).

    4. Re:Who wants to pay for music? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The store wasn't even added to iTunes until version 4.0. iPod support wasn't until 2.0.

    5. Re:Who wants to pay for music? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If you want to support artists, either go see them in concert or paypal their personal account.

      Artists, when they are lucky, make enough to pay for tour expenses when they tour. I'm talking about your average indie band, not the superstar acts. Touring and merch was never a sustainable source of income, and that's leaving aside the personal factors like trying to start a family when on the road 250 days a year. I know that's an inconvenient truth to your fantasy narrative that buying a record = selling out to The Man, but it's the truth. When record sales were strong, sure there was corruption just like any industry, but successful indie artists could make enough to continue making music. They could afford to spend a bit more on the record production, going to a real studio and using top equipment. Now everything is on the cheap and most records today sound like shit. And that all comes down to cheapskates like you who think you're sticking it to the RIAA, when you're only sticking it to the artists you supposedly support.

    6. Re:Who wants to pay for music? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's $25, not $50.

  31. Why not Nightingale anyway? by tlambert · · Score: 2

    I vote you go with Nightingale, and fix the file organization feature. IT's clear from your FLOSS requirement that you are a fan of Open Source, so send patches: that's what you do with Open Source.

    If you don't want to do that because you're not a coder, then you might as well just with a closed source product, since it's not like you'll be looking at the code.

  32. Audiophile player choices limited by BenEnglishAtHome · · Score: 1

    I need a player that will convert PCM files to DSD and send them via DoP to an outboard DAC that converts DSD files, only.

    On Linux, that means HQPlayer. It's expensive. The interface seems designed by someone who thinks about everything in a way that would never occur to me. But it does the job for now.

    When there's an add-on for MPD that will do PCM-to-DSD for all files, I'll migrate to that.

    If you're on Windows and have the same need as me and also need bit-perfect output via USB to your outboard DAC, your choices are JRiver and foobar.

    1. Re:Audiophile player choices limited by TooTechy · · Score: 1

      Let me start with the fact that I don't use DSD. But I use mpd as my primary music player. If you are like me and don't check for updates or search for new features very often then perhaps you have not seen this and perhaps it is of no use. Apologies if I am wasting your time.

      http://slimnet.home.xs4all.nl/mytek/

    2. Re:Audiophile player choices limited by BenEnglishAtHome · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the reply but I've seen that. Yes, MPD can handle DSD files these days. However, I have an outboard DAC that *only* accepts DSD files, a Schiit Loki. It's a great little DAC but to use it for my FLAC (for example) files, I need my player to convert PCM to DSD on the fly, then send the newly-created DSD file to the DAC via DoP.

      On Windows, both JRiver and foobar can do that. On Linux, there is no FLOSS solution I know of; there's only the very expensive HQplayer.

      BTW - There's absolutely no need to apologize for potentially wasting my time. I find your courtesy refreshing. Thank you.

  33. Re:You could always... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    SO TINE SO MIST SO WOW!

  34. Not Open Source, but MusicBee is very good by mouse_8b · · Score: 1

    I use MusicBee on my media server. It is not open source, but it is free and maintained by 1 guy. The function that made me decide to use MusicBee is that I can define an "album" with more rules than just the music file's album tag. I have it set to differentiate between file types, so that the MP3 version and FLAC version of an album are treated as 2 different albums. It's got fully customizable library organization as well, with the familiar iTunes-like interface. I know it doesn't fit exactly into what the OP wanted, but I have been very pleased with it, so I thought it deserved a mention. http://getmusicbee.com/

    1. Re:Not Open Source, but MusicBee is very good by xorsyst · · Score: 1

      I tried a bunch last week, and MusicBee is the one that most closely matches my winamp usage patterns, so it's what I'm using at the moment. It's pretty good.

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  35. GMusicBrower by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not for everyone but my favorite by far is GMusicBrowser, it's open source, VERY customizable, fast, it has a great tray (customizable) popup window to control the music in 1 click, and many more features.

  36. iPad sync? by Richard_J_N · · Score: 1

    For Linux users, is there any way to replace the iTunes functionality to get music and photos onto an iDevice, and have it properly recognise the library?
    I only use Linux, but have an iPad3. I have mediocre photo functionality[1] via a jailbreak, but am still stuck with only one folder and no sub-folders. As for getting music on there (especially .ogg), forget it.
    [1] http://www.richardneill.org/stotbig#ipad

    1. Re:iPad sync? by tepples · · Score: 1

      I only use Linux, but have an iPad3.

      Was it a gift?

    2. Re:iPad sync? by phayes · · Score: 1

      Mediamonkey+wine? Yeah it's not open source but there is a very capable version that is free as in beer and also works well under Wine.

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    3. Re:iPad sync? by John+Bokma · · Score: 1

      DropBox + VLC player (on the iPad).

    4. Re:iPad sync? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I use gtkpod to load my old school ipods, but haven't bought any newer iOS devices and don't know if they are also compatible.

    5. Re:iPad sync? by wb8nbs · · Score: 0

      I have a generation 6 Ipod and AFIK, nobody has broken the encryption du jour Apple uses to transfer files to it.

    6. Re:iPad sync? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, it was (and a very considerate one, but rather useless, especially as I cannot now tactfully buy an Android tablet!)

  37. Re: android player with pictures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The AOSP player does this. You should be able to grab it in the market pretty easily.

  38. iTunes-exclusive recording artists by tepples · · Score: 1

    The only reason anyone should ever used iTunes is if they are forced to (they own an iPod or iPhone)

    Owning an iDevice isn't the only thing that forces one to use iTunes. A lot of recording artists sell their music on iTunes but not Google or Amazon. Good luck finding, say, "Bück dich" by Rammstein; all you get on Amazon MP3 (U.S.) or Google Play Music (U.S.) are cover versions.

    1. Re:iTunes-exclusive recording artists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_LVaHHNcP4

      By the way, what's the legal status of extracting the audio tracks from the videos bands upload to YouTube and end up in our browsers caches? One could say that storing them in our music library it's a very long term cache. And how about keeping the whole videos? I'm pretty sure they'll complain, but is that really infringing their copyright?

    2. Re:iTunes-exclusive recording artists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I could list a lot of music that isn't available on iTunes, but is available elsewhere too. For example, I don't see Zastranienie on there at all.

    3. Re: iTunes-exclusive recording artists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You fail to see that itunes is an ithing, by using it you are using an ithing in itself.

    4. Re:iTunes-exclusive recording artists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You would be infringing copyright only if you are distributing it without permission. There is nothing illegal about downloading, otherwise anyone could just post a link saying "look at these cute pics of my cat" but actually link to copyrighted material.instead. You wouldn't know what it was until you finished downloading, so you cannot be held accountable for it.

    5. Re: iTunes-exclusive recording artists by tepples · · Score: 1

      So must one fall back to CDs for music not available through Amazon or Google?

    6. Re:iTunes-exclusive recording artists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyone selling exclusively on a single platform should not be shocked when their music is downloaded elsewhere.

    7. Re: iTunes-exclusive recording artists by honestmonkey · · Score: 1

      Not always. There is an artist that is the only reason I've ever gone on iTunes (Patrick O'Hearn), and to be a complete-ist, I signed up to get a couple of his albums that are not on CD or available anywhere else. Downloaded them, burned them and have not gone back since.

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    8. Re:iTunes-exclusive recording artists by Shirley+Marquez · · Score: 1

      You can use iTunes long enough to buy the track and then play it with other music software. Most current music players will play Apple's music files.

  39. Re:You could always... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Last time I used iTunes was more than a decade ago. I haven't seen a need for it since then, so can anyone explain why I (or anyone else) would need a replacement for it?

    There are already many decent FOSS music players around, so what is it about this particular Apple product that has it on the front page of Slashdot?

  40. Do people still listen to music this way? by kehren77 · · Score: 1

    iTunes is nothing but the backend of my Apple TV these days. I can't remember the last time I played something directly on the computer. I just wish the AppleTV interface had a fast scroll option. When your library has 17,000+ tracks in it, it takes forever to scroll through it to the bottom.

    1. Re:Do people still listen to music this way? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do people still have software organize their music?

      I put my entire music collection into a single, unmanageably giant list and my input device doesn't have an End key.

      If that's future of music then fuck it—I'll continue living in the past.

  41. Re:So fix it yourself. by Beez+Lionmane · · Score: 1

    Why reinvent the wheel? If something already exists that has the functionality you want, there's not much point in adding that functionality to a different program that functions under the same basic idea unless you like the first program better for other reasons as well. That's like saying oh, I like using firefox, but I want it to run in 64-bit, and instead of doing a little bit of research and finding waterfox, I'm going to do a whole bunch of work to make firefox maybe, hopefully run really buggy in 64-bit. There's a difference between expecting to get everything on a platter and not wanting to remake things that already exist.

  42. Re:You could always... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Because it holds the key to millions of people's music that they paid for?
    I know its stupid, but people buy music on iTunes, so they don't have another way to access(and organize) their music without this question being answered.
    Now, if you had bothered to read the question, you'd have noticed the asker is trying to get away from iTunes, but you don't care about that you just want to sound superior so why not go into the woods and yell at some small animals if its so fuckin important?

  43. Sort files? If using iTunes-like, who cares? by Phil+Urich · · Score: 1

    The whole thing about big music programs like iTunes is that you don't have to care about where the files are actually kept and in which folders, your player just gives you sortable data that you can display and manipulate however you want. Personally I always go with Artist -> Albums Sorted By Date, but some people like genres and whatever and use playlists a lot. But it doesn't matter, you just throw your various folders of music in one big folder and point your player of choice at it and it goes and identifies and creates a database of all the music. Programs tend to call this a "Library", perhaps you've heard of this concept?

    At that point you can use Amaork, Clementine, Tomahawk, whatever. Doesn't matter, any of them will trawl through the folder(s) you tell them to and give you a library listing that cares not one bit about how messy or not the actual files and folders are.

    Why do you care about your music program sorting your files into nice ID3-based folders if your interface to them is completely agnostic towards the file structure? And if you do, then just write a quick bash script or something and install a non-Library based player like Audacious if you like interacting with your music collection in a folder-and-file way.

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    1. Re:Sort files? If using iTunes-like, who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dumping all your MP3s into one folder is for teenagers using KazAA in 2002. Serious music listeners like to define rules and organise their files, one way or another.

  44. Just wait 3 weeks... by JoshWurzel · · Score: 1

    and then you can download the best iTunes Replacement in 2014.

    1. Re:Just wait 3 weeks... by kwerle · · Score: 1

      wahuh?

  45. Should be asking about iThing replacements by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's humorous to see people trying to use hardware from anti-FLOSS companies on GNU/Linux. A companies contributions to FLOSS software should never excuse other bad behavior.

  46. Re:You could always... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You realise that the iTunes Music Store sells standard AAC audio with no DRM, right?

  47. Re:You could always... by adamstew · · Score: 4, Informative

    Because it holds the key to millions of people's music that they paid for?

    The iTunes Music Store hasn't sold a song with DRM since April of 2009. Anyone who ever bought any song, that was DRM'd off the iTunes store is able to download a free DRM-free replacement anytime by logging in to their iTunes account...so long as that music is still currently for sale on the iTunes store. Heck, that replacement copy will even be upgraded to 256kbps quality too! If the music is still not for sale on the iTunes store, then anyone can use the good-old-fashioned burn and re-rip method to remove the DRM.

  48. MediaMonkey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The best thing since iTunes ...

  49. Aqualung by ciotog · · Score: 1

    Aqualung is a player that will import and sort by tag, but the interface is a bit non-standard.

  50. quod libet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Simple and elegant, with powerful search filters. Love it.

    http://code.google.com/p/quodlibet/

    1. Re:quod libet by cs80 · · Score: 1

      Does Quod Libet support two panes side-by-side like this, a la iTunes? [List: Music library/Playlists/Smart Playlists] [Contents of item selected on the left]

  51. Re:You could always... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    winamp always worked for me. So simple, so tiny...

    So missed. :-(

    Software whose installers are downloaded to local storage, run locally, and have no dependencies on web services, is never missed. It just works.

  52. Necessarily open-source? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do you *really* need it to be open-source or do you just need it to not cost any money?

  53. problem not solved by globaljustin · · Score: 1

    that doesn't do as I described at all....it just changes the main windown list of songs...unless I'm double clicking my playlist the wrong 'source' column somehow

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  54. Re:You could always... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and by "free" replacement you mean $.35 a song right?

  55. Re:You could always... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, not for a long time now.

  56. Banshee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've tried amarok, rythymbox, and banshee. i find banshee to be the cleanest interface with great search functionality and great album art support:

        http://banshee.fm/

    1. Re:Banshee by cs80 · · Score: 1

      OP here. It looks like you have it. Its search is lovely, its interface is iTunes-esque, it imports iTunes libraries, it organizes files.

      It also just crashed on me during import, but I'm going to give it a go. Thank you!

  57. Guayadeque by alexmagni · · Score: 1

    I tested many, then went for Guayadeque http://sourceforge.net/projects/guayadeque/ and never looked back

  58. VLC and filesystem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Directory tree Genre>artist>album

  59. Music Player Daemon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All you need is MPD. (might not run on toy operating systems)

  60. iTunes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Its still the best. Unless you don't have an iOS device.... and then, why would you even consider using it?

  61. Clementine by Dasher42 · · Score: 1

    I'm going for Clementine because it's bothered me the least. It still has some key features lacking. The smart playlists do not allow the inclusion of a song into another playlist as a criterion. If you sort by a column, no other columns will be sorted; sort by artists and album and track will be random. However, from what I've looked at in the source code, some modest changes to the commands it's sending to its SQL backend should be the answer.

    Why that's not top priority on their buglist over some damn nyancat visualizer, I'll never know, but it's still one of the best in the mix.

  62. Stubborn by senorpoco · · Score: 1

    I stuck with the now sadly discontinued songbird.

    1. Re:Stubborn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same here. I've tried Nightingale, but found it buggy. Songbird is slow and a memory hog, but better than others I've tried, though this thread has given me new hope.

      Like others, I've also used WinAmp, folders, right-clicking, and M3Us, but for a large music collection (55,000+ songs), it was becoming unwieldy

    2. Re:Stubborn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They look pretty, but Songbird and Nightingale made the fatal flaw of hitching themselves to XUL. Firefox and its ilk are not particularly fast, even if you only use their backend. Tried and dumped them for being memory hogs.

  63. I am still uninstalling itunes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    since the base install of this particular media player is over 9000 terabytes, consuming 500gigabytes of ram. hopefully winamp gets open sourced (sign the petition!!!!)

  64. guayadeque by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't really know what makes itunes good, but for years I was franticly searching for a FLOSS replacement for foobar2000 and I ended up with guayadeque. It has everything a music player needs and it's lightweight. It's not crossplatform though, but the tags it uses are compatible with foobar2000!

  65. Re:You could always... by Internetuser1248 · · Score: 1

    So missed. :-(

    Software whose installers are downloaded to local storage, run locally, and have no dependencies on web services, is never missed. It just works.

    Given that the nonsense it is replying to is marked +3 insightful, I think this one deserves some mod points too. Are there seriously people who just up and deleted winamp off their machines because AOL told them to?

  66. elementary's Noise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not cross-platform and relatively basic, but it does its job well: https://launchpad.net/noise

  67. No? by dutchwhizzman · · Score: 1

    He was asking for cross platform, so unless apple brings it out for Android and Linux, which happen to be on most of my daily use devices, it's not an option. Apple supports OSX, IOS and Windows with their application, which is not enough in my opinion.

    Also, Apple has an annoying urge to block your IOS device from linking up to more than just a few other devices without wanting to erase your music library from your device. That doesn't make it very cross platform in my opinion.

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    I was promised a flying car. Where is my flying car?
    1. Re:No? by xeoron · · Score: 1

      For cross platform, I personally, use 2 different solutions: 1) Plex Server to stream to any device 2) foobar2000, which works perfectly under WINE on Linux and OS X.

  68. Thanks :) by fa2k · · Score: 1

    Thanks for asking the question, I've been using VLC for a while, but it ain't great. Will try clementine

  69. iTunes sorts for you, sort of by dutchwhizzman · · Score: 1

    I tried that, but every time I got music from another source, it was arranged differently, making searching, indexing and even playing hard.

    If you'd have a player that would 1) Figure out the actual name of the album, the year it was released, give me a nice big picture of the cover so I could recognize that without having to read all the info, find the name and sequence of all the tracks 2)play gapless 3) rearrange my music in such a way that other players would be able to use that 4) able to export to mp3 VBR, since I like to use FLAC for home use but my car stereo can't play that. 5) do playlists where I could add and alter without disturbing what I'm playing right now

    iTunes does a few of these quite well, but not all. Mainly, it doesn't run on my phone or my daily use computer, so it doesn't qualify at all for my usage

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    I was promised a flying car. Where is my flying car?
  70. media library by dutchwhizzman · · Score: 1

    Apple won't let you sync your media library to more than one computer at the time. If you try, it insists on erasing your media on the iPad and demotes the other computer to not being linked any more.

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    I was promised a flying car. Where is my flying car?
    1. Re:media library by uglyduckling · · Score: 1

      Ah, OK. I'm not sure why anyone would want to do that anyway, but fair enough. I want to have all of our music on all of our computers (synced via Home Sharing over WiFi) and then sync my mobile device to my laptop and my wife's to hers. That's what we did until Apple brought out iTunes Match, now we use that service as it's cheap and convenient.

  71. Useless conversion by dutchwhizzman · · Score: 1

    You need an external DA converter that uses DSD to convert to analog, but that can accept PCM. The advantage of DSD (if any, purists sometimes come up with insane things) would be in the DA conversion part, not in the digital stream.

    Don't start the mumbo jumbo about "synchronized clocks" and PCM vs DSD since the only clock you want to synchronize to is the one used during recording and that's in the past. Just get a good and stable clock in your DA converter and you're set.

    Have you tried audio pebbles? If you stuff them in your ears, everything sounds much better.

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    I was promised a flying car. Where is my flying car?
    1. Re:Useless conversion by BenEnglishAtHome · · Score: 1

      You need an external DA converter that uses DSD to convert to analog, but that can accept PCM.

      Maybe I'll buy one some day. For now, though, I don't want to buy new hardware. I like my Schiit Loki. That DAC, however, will only accept DSD files. Whatever I feed it must come to it via DoP.

      So if I want to play my FLAC files, I'll need a player that converts PCM to DSD on the fly then sends that file to the DAC via DoP.

      As for audio pebbles, I haven't tried them. My initial reaction is that they probably wouldn't work so I haven't tried them. However, if you have some good experimental data point me to it. Otherwise, I'll pass. Audiophilia nervosa is not a disease I intend to contract.

  72. Elephant to the moon? by TooTechy · · Score: 1

    Is this because the cow got stuck or something?

    What happened to the Cat and Fiddle? Or is that just the name of the pub on the way to St. Ives?

  73. VLC and files in folders by Barryke · · Score: 1

    Works great. Searchable. Allows any hierarchy. Downside is a file can/should only exist in one folder, you could migate this using multiple playlists.

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  74. Re:You could always... by jo_ham · · Score: 2

    and by "free" replacement you mean $.35 a song right?

    No, by "free" he the OP means "free as in beer".

  75. Re:You could always... by jo_ham · · Score: 5, Informative

    The DRM still exists, it's just more subtle - they imbed your personal account info into the tracks you buy, so if you die and bequeath your music collection to your kids, they'll lose your entire music collection at best, and go to jail at worst - or possibly pay an exorbitant fine.

    Apple's claims of 'no drm' are bullshit, but most people seem to have bought into it (much like Google's 'do no evil' and look where that's gotten us). This blinkered acceptance comes part and parcel with the creeping surveillance society, apparently.

    You seem to not understand what DRM is.

    Tagging a file with your Apple ID is not DRM. What Apple is doing there is discouraging you from sharing your music with the entire internet, but not discouraging you from sharing it with your immediate friends and family.

    An iTunes file tagged with your Apple ID will play back on any music player capable of reading AAC files.

    If you die then your entire music collection isn't lost. It's just there on your hard drive. I wasn't aware that your hard drive got deleted when you die.

    Your kids certainly won't be sent to jail or fined for listening to it.

    Man, the Apple haters get crazier every passing day.

  76. Online store by GrBear · · Score: 1

    Where iTunes still has a dramatic advantage is the integration of it's online store and access to buying (*gasp* yes, paying for music) tracks.

    I've yet to find a better source of legit downloadable music, which for me, still makes iTunes the best choice out of all the choices mentioned thus far.

    Some of us people value "it just works so I'll happily pay for it" over "it's free and it shows".

    1. Re:Online store by rjnagle · · Score: 1

      Emusic is a good place to buy DRM free music. It's 20-40% cheaper too!

      http://www.imaginaryplanet.net/weblogs/idiotprogrammer/2013/04/fave-emusic-finds/

      But emusic has no cloud backup. (I just back up my emusic stuff and ripped files to Amazon cloud player.

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      Robert Nagle, Idiotprogrammer, Houston
  77. Re:So fix it yourself. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The old joke is that you can just put an "L" in front of users and have an amply descriptive term for them.

  78. XBMC (not for everyone) by revnoah · · Score: 2

    Years back when I initially moved away from iTunes, I used Songbird. Songbird was built with the Mozilla engine and closely mimics the functionality of iTunes. Unfortunately, the application had a persistent memory leak which would make it useless if left running for a couple of days. I've tried Rythmbox and Amarok but was never happy with those either. My typical fallback is VLC, which many others have suggested. VLC doesn't offer a nice music player interface but it's really easy to use, plays everything, runs on anything and won't hijack your music library. These days, I'm using XBMC. My music, along with my movies and television programs, are managed and played using this application. I have XBMC installed on 4 PCs (3 Ubuntu, 1 Windows) and can also play directly from the Android app. XBMC integrates well with Last.FM and Headphones, an application used to search, download and sort music files. You can also use XBMC to stream upnp to other devices, like an xbox.

  79. Quod Libet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Back in the days I used Sonique, and also Winamp. Then I moved to Quintessential Media Player, and when I really started digging music and cared for audiophile quality, I switched to foobar2000. It was pretty flexible, had great plugins for audiophiles etc.

    After switching to Linux I tried almost every player there is. Songbird, Exaile, Amarok, decibel, Aqualung, MPD... until I discovered Quod Libet. I even use it on my Windows work computer. It's got everything: good library, good tag support, regex search, it's not too slow, it has ReplayGain and gapless support, and with gstreamer backend one can achieve good filters should they need one - I do, for room compensation. For Windows only I'd still probably choose foobar2000, but for cross platform, Quod Libet.

    I think the popularity of iTunes is a shame. I once tried to buy music from this artist I bumped into, but he said the only place to buy his music was iTunes. But I'm not touching that piece of crap, ever.

  80. Re:You could always... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your kids certainly won't be sent to jail or fined for listening to it.

    shhhh please don't give the recording industry any more ideas!

  81. I don't think anyone has mentioned Subsonic yet by sophos7 · · Score: 1

    I use subsonic (subsonic.org). It's cross platform (linux, windows, mac, android, ios, anything with a web browser and flash) and supports auto podcast downloading. You can also use it for video. The only caveat is that it doesn't sync to an ipod. There are multiple desktop clients to choose from and I haven't seen one yet that will sync to an ipod. If you have an ipod touch you could use one of several different apps.

  82. Wait.... Why are you using itunes? by Lumpy · · Score: 2

    the ONLY reason to use itunes is that you own an iDevice or want to buy from the Apple store. If you are not doing that, why the hell are you using itunes?

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    Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
  83. Computer Fraud and Abuse Act by tepples · · Score: 1

    By the way, what's the legal status of extracting the audio tracks from the videos bands upload to YouTube and end up in our browsers caches?

    More than likely a violation of YouTube's terms of service and therefore possibly a crime under the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act. (I'm not a lawyer; before you go into business or otherwise publicly act on this; talk to one.)

  84. MediaMonkey by DaTrueDave · · Score: 2

    You could always just use iTunes, if you want something like iTunes.

    Or you could switch to something that works, like MediaMonkey: http://www.mediamonkey.com/

  85. Re: You could always... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you're an AOL user, the logical approach to any situations is to listen to aol.

  86. Emacs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What? There is an emacs mode for managing your tunes? Is it synergistic with BBDB?

    OMG, there is! I started this thinking facetiously only to find http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/itunes.el.

    The .el file's header sez "Allows OS X Emacs users to control iTunes without having to leave the safe confines of Emacs". & it's probably not synergistic with BBDB - I haven't tried it since I don't have OS X. Looks like there's a Winblows version of it...google it. Uh, I don't have Winblows, either. Well, I do, but I eschew even booting it.

  87. Try Miro by 605dave · · Score: 1

    Miro is an open source iTunes replacement that has been in development for years. Go to getmiro.com

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  88. your *computer speakers* didn't sound very good by globaljustin · · Score: 1

    n/t

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    Thank you Dave Raggett
  89. Is there an OSS player that will do iTunes libs? by otis+wildflower · · Score: 1

    At one point, one of the OSS iTunes replacements could actually properly handle an iTunes Library XML file, assuming you regex replaced the pathing appropriately, but at a certain point it became an unsupported feature. I think it was in early builds of Songbird with iTunes plugin.

    Are there any OSS apps that play nice with a live iTunes Library file with playlists, count, rating, etc. support? I currently migrated my iTunes repo to my home NAS and repointed my Macs to it by option-starting iTunes. I'd like to be able to point an OSS app on Linux (or even Windows!) to that same NAS repo and have it Just Work Properly.

    Any recommendations on something that actually works well and isn't some buggy pre-beta kludgefest?

  90. Re:You could always... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You seem to not understand what DRM is.

    DRM = Digital Rights Management. Apple is using digital watermarking to monitor and control how you use the digital data you purchased. This is the very definition of DRM.

    You seem to not understand what DRM is.

  91. Re:You could always... by jo_ham · · Score: 1

    You seem to not understand what DRM is.

    DRM = Digital Rights Management. Apple is using digital watermarking to monitor and control how you use the digital data you purchased. This is the very definition of DRM.

    You seem to not understand what DRM is.

    Then we need to redefine what it is, since it seems to me you want your cake and to eat it too. There are no restrictions on what you can do with the files you get. There may be *consequences* if you share the file and it is discovered being shared on napster or some dodgy torrent site, but that is not in the definition of what "Digital Rights Management" means as a term.

    Up to this point it has been a term that refers to software controls that require a key/authorisation to work.

    But no, since we're bashing Apple here, move the goalposts! Anything to ensure they're the bad guy, eh?

    From the wiki article on DRM:

    Apple Inc. has sold DRM-free music through its iTunes Store since April 2007 and has been labeling all music as "DRM-Free" since January 2009. The music still carries a digital watermark to identify the purchaser. Other works sold on iTunes such as e-books, movies, TV shows, audiobooks and apps continue to be protected by DRM.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_rights_management

  92. Re:You could always... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tagging a file with your Apple ID is not DRM.

    DRM is Digital Rights Management. Tagging to identify the consumer is exactly one type of DRM.

    Man, the Apple haters get crazier every passing day.

    Ah yes, the obligatory insult from the paid shill in an attempt to marginalize other points of view. Ever thought of getting a real job and contributing to the community instead of being a parasite?

  93. Re:You could always... by jo_ham · · Score: 1

    Tagging a file with your Apple ID is not DRM.

    DRM is Digital Rights Management. Tagging to identify the consumer is exactly one type of DRM.

    Man, the Apple haters get crazier every passing day.

    Ah yes, the obligatory insult from the paid shill in an attempt to marginalize other points of view. Ever thought of getting a real job and contributing to the community instead of being a parasite?

    No argument so you call me a paid shill, and you forgot to log in.

    Classic.

    1/10.

  94. Beta Barn by tepples · · Score: 1

    I'd say eBay it, buy a Nexus 7/10, and explain it like this: "It's like buying an Xbox game for someone who has a Wii." Or if they're too old to know game consoles, they might be familiar with a past format war: "It's like buying a Beta tape for someone who has a VHS deck."

  95. Because by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Last.fm scrobbler

    1. Re:Because by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Why again? get "the last ripper" and keep those last FM tracks forever and ever and ever.

      http://code.google.com/p/thelastripper/

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      Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
  96. Amarok as long as you have enough RAM by rjnagle · · Score: 1

    Amarok is a really robust solution which can organize files virtually by artist name or by actual directory structure. It lets you customize display (to show composer, etc) and save ratings which is awesome. It has lots of options for sorting.....

    The conventional wisdom was that clementine forked from amarok, that amarok got too feature rich and complex. There's truth in that (and clementine works reliably), but amarok just has so many wonderful features. Plus, it is cross platform (although I don't think the Windows version works too well).

    My main complaint with amarok is that it is a real memory hog and doesn't play well with Unity on Ubuntu 12.04. I recently upgraded to 8 gigs RAM and those problems mostly seem to have disappeared.

    Finally, it's not cross-platform, but I really love Foobar 2000 on windows. It does a lot of things well, especially if you install the plugins. It's a decent-to-good CD ripper too (although dbpoweramp is the not open source gold standard).

    --
    Robert Nagle, Idiotprogrammer, Houston
    1. Re:Amarok as long as you have enough RAM by Sir+Realist · · Score: 2

      I think Amarok has a fantastic user interface and helps me manage my files well. My only complaint is that it crashes about 50% of the time if I ask it to actually play music. Apart from that its great.

  97. Re:You could always... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    move the goalposts! Anything to ensure they're the bad guy

    Apple is the one who moved the goalposts in this case. They put 'less restrictive' (threat of possible 'consequences' is still an imposition of restrictions) DRM on the files and then in a great salute to double-speak, call it DRM-free.

    It is true that unlike some of us here I'm no Apple fanboi, but I don't think this is Apple-bashing at all. Personally I would call out anyone who twisted the language like this for the bald-face liars they are.

  98. Its True... by Sir+Realist · · Score: 1

    Strangely, the interface that Apple designed for Windows-based systems is orders of magnitude stupider than the one they designed for MacOS. Its almost like they didn't like Microsoft or something. I'm sure its a coincidence.

    Of course their interface for Linux is "use our crappy window manager or die", so I guess I shouldn't complain.

  99. Banshee by somegeekynick · · Score: 1

    I'm a bit late in replying to it, but has anyone banshee yet? http://banshee.fm/about/

  100. xmplay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Perhaps not an itunes replacement, but check out http://www.un4seen.com/xmplay.html

  101. Re:You could always... by CanEHdian · · Score: 1

    Up to this point it has been a term that refers to software controls that require a key/authorisation to work.

    Eh, no. Cinavia is also DRM and is just an audio watermark; yes, it changes (== degrades, but to which point is a whole other discussion) the audio stream. Certain devices manufactured after a certain date are mandated to *check for this watermark* and upon discovery do something (e.g. mute the audio after x amount of minutes).

    DRM != Usage Restrictions. DRM is often used to enforce usage restrictions, but it does not need to. FairPlay restricted usage, the current system iTMS uses does not. But it is still DRM since the sole purpose is to enforce copyrights.

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  102. Re:You could always... by Lisias · · Score: 1

    Good luck trying to use WinAmp in a few Windows Updates.

    "Programmable Obsolescence" : does it make rings a bell somewhere?

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  103. Quodlibet by trepanne · · Score: 1
  104. Clementine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes , Clementine is also my favourite music player with good Internet Radio connectivity.

  105. clementine has bad audio quality? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just tried out clementine, seemed pretty cool, really quick setup... but I immediately noticed something strange about the audio quality. what's up here?

  106. Re:You could always... by Gallomimia · · Score: 1

    Um. Why is the phrase "Windows Updates" anywhere on a page discussing a FLOSS alternative to a piece of software? Why would you use FLOSS software on Windows? All the benefits gone....

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  107. Re:You could always... by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

    Are there seriously people who just up and deleted winamp off their machines because AOL told them to?

    Did WinAmp ever have anything to do with AOL? It must have been after I got (and later stopped using) the single-file executable on a floppy. When was it - some time before the millennium? Must have been, because that was around when I got rid of my music collection.

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  108. Musique by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I like Musique for its simplicity, too bad the developer is only supporting Ubuntu, the package available on Linux Mint repositories is old and the source code won't compile. The developer also won't provide any assistance with the compiling problems.

  109. MediaMonkey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I used Mediamonkey to organize all my file names/folders/id3tags that I got back in the Napster error up until present. I used it as a mediaplayer as well and it syncs to my Android device over wifi flawlessly. It also has support for Iphones and does a fanstastic job of burning mp3 cd's (my car stereo is oldschool.)

  110. Re:You could always... by jo_ham · · Score: 2

    If you're going to bold the word "rights" there, then can we make a pact here on slashdot to never call it "Digital Restrictions Management" again?

    As seen in this thread, the term "DRM" seems to mean "whatever makes Apple/Sony/Microsoft/hated-company-du-jour the bad guy".

    I picked a pretty generic place to cite the definition (wikipedia) - that supports my position, but apparently that's not enough. I guess all the wikipedia contributors are in Apple's pocket or something.

  111. Re:You could always... by Lisias · · Score: 1

    I see your point.

    But there are still professional niches where you just can't stay away from Microsoft - they still have a lockout on some areas.

    FLOSS programs for Windows allows these guys to use FLOSS.

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  112. Re:You could always... by Lisias · · Score: 1

    I'm one of these guys, by the way.

    Our clients insists on using Windows Servers, even when a lot of our software is still in Java... Goes figure it out... =P

    I keep my sanity using CYGWIN as my command line shell. It save my sorry arse more than once.

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  113. Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stop being such an open sores muppet.

  114. DoubleTwist by BrianMcCleery · · Score: 1

    Not sure if it satisfies all of your requirements, but I've loved using DoubleTwist on my Mac and Galaxy S, and my friends love it on Windows and on their iPhones.

  115. How insightful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    iTunes is a really good alternative.