Personally I find the key to RSI is *repetitive*. When you move your fingers around more on the keyboard, the movements are more varied, and you get less repetitive movement. That prevents less injury overall. The only times I've ever had RSI twinges was when pushing the same keys (or keys that are very close to each other) over and over. Usually while gaming.
Also, when using the mouse, and clicking the left mouse button over and over, or making the same small mouse movements. I avoided that by alternating mouse hands (right in the office, left at home).
My typing speed w/ qwerty is 86wpm on http://www.typingtest.com/ Astronaut text (which is kind of a hard text) Actually, I got 67wpm on the Italian text, and that was after deduction for characters I couldn't type on my keyboard without using a Compose key:)
aspell master list is not exactly a good way to count alternate hand use. You'd be better off using a word frequency table. In a pinch, comparing letter frequency (etoainshrdlu) by actual percentage against the layouts. btw, I always used the right hand for b because the index finger is closest to it. Removing that from your list drops the number to 1770 on my system.
Personally though I wasn't thinking too much of alternating hands, but rather which fingers I'm using and whether they move up or down to type. Dvorak advocates recommend dvorak due to more stuff on the home row. For RSI I'd consider that a bad thing actually. BTW, to avoid RSI I also taught myself to use alternate hands for my mouse. At work I use my left hand, at home, my right.
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/221/was-the-qwerty-keyboard-purposely-designed-to-slow-typists "Baloney, say the authors of the article you enclose, S.J. Liebowitz and Stephen Margolis. They point out that (1) the research demonstrating the superiority of the Dvorak keyboard is sparse and methodologically suspect; (2) a sizable body of work suggests that in fact the Dvorak offers little practical advantage over the QWERTY; (3) at least one study indicates that placing commonly used keys far apart, as with the QWERTY, actually speeds typing, since you frequently alternate hands; and (4) the QWERTY keyboard did not become a standard overnight but beat out several competing keyboards over a period of years. Thus it may be fairly said to represent the considered choice of the marketplace. It saddens me to know I helped to perpetuate the myth of Dvorak superiority, but I will sleep better at night knowing I have rectified matters at last."
Totally agree on spreading the keys apart. Easier on the fingers. Kinda like in gaming where if you repeatedly press keys in almost the same location, repeatedly, you start getting RSI.
Other experiments showed that frogs did not attempt to escape gradually heated water. An 1872 experiment by Heinzmann demonstrated that a normal frog would not attempt to escape if the water was heated slowly enough,[17] which was corroborated in 1875 by Fratscher.[18]
Goltz raised the temperature of the water from 17.5 C to 56 C in about ten minutes, or 3.8 C per minute, in his experiment which prompted normal frogs to attempt to escape, whereas Heinzmann heated the frogs over the course of 90 minutes from about 21 ÂC to 37.5 ÂC, a rate of less than 0.2 ÂC per minute.[4] One source from 1897 says, "in one experiment the temperature was raised at a rate of 0.002ÂC per second, and the frog was found dead at the end of 2½ hours without having moved."[19]
In 1888 William Thompson Sedgwick explained the apparent contradiction between the results of these experiments as a consequence of different heating rates used in the experiments: "The truth appears to be that if the heating be sufficiently gradual, no reflex movements will be produced even in the normal frog ; if it be more rapid, yet take place at such a rate as to be fairly called 'gradual', it will not secure the repose of the normal frog under any circumstances".
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I guess no one has attempted to replicate the 0.2 to 0.002 deg heating recently due to the cruelty?
WRT relatively few people using AdBlock. According to addons.mozilla.org Adblock Plus has 13,577,875 users Maximum AdBlock has 7,204 users Adblock Lite has 108,524 users Simple Adblock has 16,896 users Adblock++ Lite has 2,975 users
Then there's NoScript which usually amounts to the same thing with tracking sites. Some of those people might be using AdBlock, but I don't, personally, since NoScript blocks the most annoying ads, and I like clicking on interesting ads if they aren't too annoying - if they want to target me, they can do it by the site I'm visiting. It does screw up tracking which I see as a bonus. NoScript has 2,105,383 users
There's also Cookie Monster which might screw up their stats. That one has 58,016 users. Personally I just whitelist cookies, using Firecookie to determine when to add a whitelist.
Soooo in the Firefox user base. 13½ million AdBlock users probably not getting counted. I grabbed EasyList on hg and EasyPrivacy subset sure enough had statcounter blocked (unsurprisingly).
Overlap of the above numbers is hard to determine, but if you add them all up you get 15,876,873 - approaching 16 million. And that's not including people who might be using other measures like disabling javascript or whitelisting all cookies.
HEMXRIS Occupants
â" HEMXRISs are designed so that the radiation dose levels within the driverâ(TM)s cab and at the inspector work-stations (systems operators) will be below 0.00005 rem in any one hour. With an annual work limit of 2,000 hours, this hourly dose limit will prevent annual cumulative exposures that exceed the limit of 0.1 rem in a year.
Another source of data as well as triangulating based on towers, and calculating vector based on checkins would be timing advance. I have no idea if that is logged, but if it is, that narrows your position down to half a kilometre.
Apple still hasn't really allowed any 3rd party browsers into the app store. Any browsers in the app store right now must use the same underlying engine as the system browser.
The only "exception" is Opera which does a little pre-processing on their servers if you trust the browser as a MITM.
There has been a build of Firefox for iOS for a long time, but completely unofficial. It will never be on iOS if Apple has any say.
That's why the Firefox Home (Sync) for iOS is just an app that displays your tabs/bookmarks from your other computers and opens them in Safari.
Hey. One thing that confused me for a bit, at least on my SO's machine, was when I was running Update Manager in her Unity 2D session.
I wanted to scroll through the text explaining what the update fixed, but there was no scrollbar. It wasn't until I clicked in the text area (focus?) that the scrollbar appeared.
My XFCE4 session still works fine in Ubuntu 12.04 - a bit better since the dragging multiple items bug is fixed. The Mint Gnome Extensions repo was disabled, I haven't gotten around to reenabling that and retesting it since I mostly use XFCE4 anyway, but I did log into Gnome Shell and it still works fine too.
Ditto "Gnome Classic (no effects)" although obviously it isn't Gnome Classic - fare warning for anyone still on Gnome 2 who expects to be able to do simple things like arrange applets on your panel, move the clock somewhere less crowded, and, oh, have applets.
Oh. On my SO's system, the event calendar seems to work better in Unity than in Gnome Shell - in Unity the events area expands nicely. In Gnome Shell it is a crumpled up little unscrollable thing.
Minor annoying thing for me. Iagno now locks up every other game and is very sluggish. Only tested in Unity 2D on SO's machine.
So apparently the size of the bounty isn't everything.
'Both Kettle and Ruderman specifically mentioned Mozilla as an organization offering a bug-bounty program that is, in some ways, superior to Google's.
Among Mozilla's advantages, the organization has staging and sandbox servers for researchers to pound on without impacting users, provides a bug tracker that advises contributors as to the progress of fixes, does not require researchers to keep bugs secret, and offers a higher bounty for high-severity bugs, such as universal XSS bugs. Google's program may not make the Internet safer, Kettle observed, except by example. "Mozilla's certainly does, though: addons.mozilla.org is built on Django, and bugzilla.mozilla.org on Bugzilla," he said.'
Welp. Good to know for future reference. Perhaps I'll add one to my next NewEgg order if they sell them there, and see if that fixes the problem. Actually, I think I might have one lying around the office or home, seems vaguely familiar. Under an inch in length, wraps around a cable with plastic clasps to hold it in place? I'll look around.
Although spending $15 or $20 on a cable isn't that big a deal to me, and, hey, fixed the problem:)
I'll totally accept that BestBuy was overpricing cables. Maybe all their cables. Maybe telling their employees to upsell useless stuff.
What I was objecting to was the part of the comment that stated that because a signal is "digital" that suddenly you don't have to worry about noise anymore.
It may well be that I am unfamiliar with the specifications of HDMI. It could even be that my tablet was complicit in my experience, but it seems to me that resistance and shielding should still matter, and that not getting something *completely* crappy would be a good idea. Aaand, it might be some employees had run into enough problems w/ cheap cables that they might have suggested he get a less bad one.
I'll completely agree an $80 (or $50) cable is a waste of money. I'll disagree that buying a $5 cable instead of a $15 one is a good idea.
The $10 ones, maybe, dunno, you could be right. But, think your average consumer will correctly diagnose faulty cable when they have a problem with their setup? They've just spent $500 or $1000 on the digital setup, I would still suggest they buy a $15 HDMI cable over some dirt cheap one. Maybe even a $20 one.
If BestBuy employees are trying to upsell people on some $80 cable that does sound kinda evil. But I'd initially posted because I objected to the idea that cables make no difference at *all*.
Having your picture freeze and cut out periodically can happen, even with digital, if the noise overwhelms the signal.
Right. You either get a signal... Or you don't Which is *precisely* the situation I described both in the original comment (where signal would cut in and out as noise climbed, but be clear when I could actually see it) and in the comment you just replied to (where I noted a digital TV signal would cut in and out during noise as opposed to analog where some kind of signal would get through)
So. I guess the real answer is no one actually reads comments.
As for the cheapness of the cable, I suspect that probably was a factor. My guess from the symptoms was sucky shielding. Possibly high resistance causing a weak signal to be unable to punch through the noise enough for the TV to read it as well. But, point is, if you pay $5 for a cable, you may get bad results. Pay a bit more (not a huge audiophile stupid amount more, mind you) and you will likely have a more reliable experience...
Well, sure, the cable's shielding was probably particularly crappy. But it wasn't that I didn't get a signal at all, it was that it was flaky. As noted in the digital TV analogy, if a signal is just barely getting through the noise, you'll get flaky behaviour.
And, no, I didn't go buy some $50 cable. When I said "more expensive" I meant. More expensive than the cheapass cable that came along with the carrying case I'd ordered off Amazon, and had probably cost that guy $5.
Ok, I know/. moderation is a bit... random... but why the hell would you downvote my just mentioning what personally happened to me?
It isn't like a digital signal makes things immune from problems of poor shielding or too much resistance. If noise goes up enough, you aren't going to be able to extract a digital signal.
Anyone here tried using a wimpy antenna on a TV since the digital conversion? Works pretty much the same way. If you do get a signal, it is nice and sharp. But as the noise climbs, you start getting freezing and bits of image cutting out until it goes black. In some ways it is more annoying than analog static 'cause at least at least with static I could still watch the show.
I can personally attest that the quality of HDMI cables *does* impact your ability to get a signal at all though. If the connection is bad, the picture will freeze, and the screen will go blank. I have a crappy HDMI cable that I got for cheap that I used to use w/ my android tablet. With that cable, if I didn't kind of coil part of it just right, next to the TV, the signal would cut out periodically. Full extended, it was almost useless, failing almost all the time.
Replaced it with a more expensive HDMI cable, and haven't had any problems since.
Huh. According to Wikipedia... The seeds of Capsicum plants are predominantly dispersed by birds. The TRPV1 channel to which capsaicin binds does not respond to capsaicin and related chemicals in birds (avian vs mammalian TRPV1 show functional diversity and selective sensitivity). Chili pepper seeds consumed by birds pass through the digestive tract and can germinate later, but mammals have molar teeth, which destroy seeds and prevent them from germinating. Thus, natural selection may have led to increasing capsaicin production because it makes the plant less likely to be eaten by animals that do not help it reproduce.[22] There is also evidence that capsaicin evolved as an anti-fungal agent,[1] and capsaicinoids are broadly anti-microbial.[23]
Soo. No sensitivity to the heat, at all.
Perhaps the birds are just responding to the overall sweetness, flavour and appearance of the peppers, rather than their hotness.
UPDATE 2, VIDEO DOCUMENTATION: Many have been asking for proof or documentation beyond eyewitnesses, and the swarm delivers, here in the shape of user JPMH on Slashdot. JPMH writes, âoeThe agenda item starts at 10:27 [in the linked video], and the voting runs from 10:31 to 10:51. The amendment in question appears to be âoeCompromise 20â, voted on at 10:39, which is indeed rejected by 12 votes to 14.â
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Personally I find the key to RSI is *repetitive*.
When you move your fingers around more on the keyboard, the movements are more varied, and you get less repetitive movement.
That prevents less injury overall.
The only times I've ever had RSI twinges was when pushing the same keys (or keys that are very close to each other) over and over.
Usually while gaming.
Also, when using the mouse, and clicking the left mouse button over and over, or making the same small mouse movements. I avoided that by alternating mouse hands (right in the office, left at home).
My typing speed w/ qwerty is 86wpm on http://www.typingtest.com/ Astronaut text (which is kind of a hard text) :)
Actually, I got 67wpm on the Italian text, and that was after deduction for characters I couldn't type on my keyboard without using a Compose key
aspell master list is not exactly a good way to count alternate hand use. You'd be better off using a word frequency table.
In a pinch, comparing letter frequency (etoainshrdlu) by actual percentage against the layouts.
btw, I always used the right hand for b because the index finger is closest to it. Removing that from your list drops the number to 1770 on my system.
Personally though I wasn't thinking too much of alternating hands, but rather which fingers I'm using and whether they move up or down to type. Dvorak advocates recommend dvorak due to more stuff on the home row. For RSI I'd consider that a bad thing actually.
BTW, to avoid RSI I also taught myself to use alternate hands for my mouse. At work I use my left hand, at home, my right.
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/221/was-the-qwerty-keyboard-purposely-designed-to-slow-typists
"Baloney, say the authors of the article you enclose, S.J. Liebowitz and Stephen Margolis. They point out that (1) the research demonstrating the superiority of the Dvorak keyboard is sparse and methodologically suspect; (2) a sizable body of work suggests that in fact the Dvorak offers little practical advantage over the QWERTY; (3) at least one study indicates that placing commonly used keys far apart, as with the QWERTY, actually speeds typing, since you frequently alternate hands; and (4) the QWERTY keyboard did not become a standard overnight but beat out several competing keyboards over a period of years. Thus it may be fairly said to represent the considered choice of the marketplace. It saddens me to know I helped to perpetuate the myth of Dvorak superiority, but I will sleep better at night knowing I have rectified matters at last."
Totally agree on spreading the keys apart. Easier on the fingers.
Kinda like in gaming where if you repeatedly press keys in almost the same location, repeatedly, you start getting RSI.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog#Scientific_background
Other experiments showed that frogs did not attempt to escape gradually heated water. An 1872 experiment by Heinzmann demonstrated that a normal frog would not attempt to escape if the water was heated slowly enough,[17] which was corroborated in 1875 by Fratscher.[18]
Goltz raised the temperature of the water from 17.5 C to 56 C in about ten minutes, or 3.8 C per minute, in his experiment which prompted normal frogs to attempt to escape, whereas Heinzmann heated the frogs over the course of 90 minutes from about 21 ÂC to 37.5 ÂC, a rate of less than 0.2 ÂC per minute.[4] One source from 1897 says, "in one experiment the temperature was raised at a rate of 0.002ÂC per second, and the frog was found dead at the end of 2½ hours without having moved."[19]
In 1888 William Thompson Sedgwick explained the apparent contradiction between the results of these experiments as a consequence of different heating rates used in the experiments: "The truth appears to be that if the heating be sufficiently gradual, no reflex movements will be produced even in the normal frog ; if it be more rapid, yet take place at such a rate as to be fairly called 'gradual', it will not secure the repose of the normal frog under any circumstances".
====
I guess no one has attempted to replicate the 0.2 to 0.002 deg heating recently due to the cruelty?
WRT relatively few people using AdBlock.
According to addons.mozilla.org
Adblock Plus has 13,577,875 users
Maximum AdBlock has 7,204 users
Adblock Lite has 108,524 users
Simple Adblock has 16,896 users
Adblock++ Lite has 2,975 users
Then there's NoScript which usually amounts to the same thing with tracking sites. Some of those people might be using AdBlock, but I don't, personally, since NoScript blocks the most annoying ads, and I like clicking on interesting ads if they aren't too annoying - if they want to target me, they can do it by the site I'm visiting. It does screw up tracking which I see as a bonus.
NoScript has 2,105,383 users
There's also Cookie Monster which might screw up their stats. That one has 58,016 users. Personally I just whitelist cookies, using Firecookie to determine when to add a whitelist.
Soooo in the Firefox user base.
13½ million AdBlock users probably not getting counted. I grabbed EasyList on hg and EasyPrivacy subset sure enough had statcounter blocked (unsurprisingly).
Overlap of the above numbers is hard to determine, but if you add them all up you get 15,876,873 - approaching 16 million.
And that's not including people who might be using other measures like disabling javascript or whitelisting all cookies.
Googled...
http://ecso.swf.usace.army.mil/PublicReview/Oakland%20-%20HEMXR%20_eagle_%20FEA%2020090810.pdf
HEMXRIS Occupants
â"
HEMXRISs are designed so that the radiation dose levels within the driverâ(TM)s cab and at the inspector work-stations (systems operators) will be below 0.00005 rem in any one hour. With an annual work limit of 2,000 hours, this hourly dose limit will prevent annual cumulative exposures that exceed the limit of 0.1 rem in a year.
Another source of data as well as triangulating based on towers, and calculating vector based on checkins would be timing advance.
I have no idea if that is logged, but if it is, that narrows your position down to half a kilometre.
Apple still hasn't really allowed any 3rd party browsers into the app store.
Any browsers in the app store right now must use the same underlying engine as the system browser.
The only "exception" is Opera which does a little pre-processing on their servers if you trust the browser as a MITM.
There has been a build of Firefox for iOS for a long time, but completely unofficial. It will never be on iOS if Apple has any say.
That's why the Firefox Home (Sync) for iOS is just an app that displays your tabs/bookmarks from your other computers and opens them in Safari.
Solar cells wear out you know...
And they are hardly energy neutral to create.
But I suspect we will need all of the above.
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/3000/followup-why-dont-we-ditch-nukes-em-and-em-coal
Hey. One thing that confused me for a bit, at least on my SO's machine, was when I was running Update Manager in her Unity 2D session.
I wanted to scroll through the text explaining what the update fixed, but there was no scrollbar.
It wasn't until I clicked in the text area (focus?) that the scrollbar appeared.
"fair warning", not "fare warning"
ugh. I hate it when my fingers type out a homophone. Is like there is a "bad spelling" part of the brain
My XFCE4 session still works fine in Ubuntu 12.04 - a bit better since the dragging multiple items bug is fixed.
The Mint Gnome Extensions repo was disabled, I haven't gotten around to reenabling that and retesting it since I mostly use XFCE4 anyway, but I did log into Gnome Shell and it still works fine too.
Ditto "Gnome Classic (no effects)" although obviously it isn't Gnome Classic - fare warning for anyone still on Gnome 2 who expects to be able to do simple things like arrange applets on your panel, move the clock somewhere less crowded, and, oh, have applets.
Oh. On my SO's system, the event calendar seems to work better in Unity than in Gnome Shell - in Unity the events area expands nicely. In Gnome Shell it is a crumpled up little unscrollable thing.
Minor annoying thing for me. Iagno now locks up every other game and is very sluggish. Only tested in Unity 2D on SO's machine.
Huh. Didn't know that.
What about Kettle since he is directly quoted?
So apparently the size of the bounty isn't everything.
'Both Kettle and Ruderman specifically mentioned Mozilla as an organization offering a bug-bounty program that is, in some ways, superior to Google's.
Among Mozilla's advantages, the organization has staging and sandbox servers for researchers to pound on without impacting users, provides a bug tracker that advises contributors as to the progress of fixes, does not require researchers to keep bugs secret, and offers a higher bounty for high-severity bugs, such as universal XSS bugs. Google's program may not make the Internet safer, Kettle observed, except by example. "Mozilla's certainly does, though: addons.mozilla.org is built on Django, and bugzilla.mozilla.org on Bugzilla," he said.'
Welp. Good to know for future reference. Perhaps I'll add one to my next NewEgg order if they sell them there, and see if that fixes the problem. Actually, I think I might have one lying around the office or home, seems vaguely familiar. Under an inch in length, wraps around a cable with plastic clasps to hold it in place? I'll look around.
Although spending $15 or $20 on a cable isn't that big a deal to me, and, hey, fixed the problem :)
I'll totally accept that BestBuy was overpricing cables. Maybe all their cables.
Maybe telling their employees to upsell useless stuff.
What I was objecting to was the part of the comment that stated that because a signal is "digital" that suddenly you don't have to worry about noise anymore.
It may well be that I am unfamiliar with the specifications of HDMI. It could even be that my tablet was complicit in my experience,
but it seems to me that resistance and shielding should still matter, and that not getting something *completely* crappy would be a good idea. Aaand, it might be some employees had run into enough problems w/ cheap cables that they might have suggested he get a less bad one.
I'll completely agree an $80 (or $50) cable is a waste of money.
I'll disagree that buying a $5 cable instead of a $15 one is a good idea.
The $10 ones, maybe, dunno, you could be right. But, think your average consumer will correctly diagnose faulty cable when they have a problem with their setup? They've just spent $500 or $1000 on the digital setup, I would still suggest they buy a $15 HDMI cable over some dirt cheap one. Maybe even a $20 one.
If BestBuy employees are trying to upsell people on some $80 cable that does sound kinda evil. But I'd initially posted because I objected to the idea that cables make no difference at *all*.
Having your picture freeze and cut out periodically can happen, even with digital, if the noise overwhelms the signal.
Right. You either get a signal... Or you don't
Which is *precisely* the situation I described both in the original comment (where signal would cut in and out as noise climbed, but be clear when I could actually see it)
and in the comment you just replied to (where I noted a digital TV signal would cut in and out during noise as opposed to analog where some kind of signal would get through)
So. I guess the real answer is no one actually reads comments.
As for the cheapness of the cable, I suspect that probably was a factor. My guess from the symptoms was sucky shielding. Possibly high resistance causing a weak signal to be unable to punch through the noise enough for the TV to read it as well. But, point is, if you pay $5 for a cable, you may get bad results. Pay a bit more (not a huge audiophile stupid amount more, mind you) and you will likely have a more reliable experience...
Well, sure, the cable's shielding was probably particularly crappy. But it wasn't that I didn't get a signal at all, it was that it was flaky. As noted in the digital TV analogy, if a signal is just barely getting through the noise, you'll get flaky behaviour.
And, no, I didn't go buy some $50 cable. When I said "more expensive" I meant. More expensive than the cheapass cable that came along with the carrying case I'd ordered off Amazon, and had probably cost that guy $5.
Ok, I know /. moderation is a bit... random... but why the hell would you downvote my just mentioning what personally happened to me?
It isn't like a digital signal makes things immune from problems of poor shielding or too much resistance. If noise goes up enough, you aren't going to be able to extract a digital signal.
Anyone here tried using a wimpy antenna on a TV since the digital conversion? Works pretty much the same way. If you do get a signal, it is nice and sharp. But as the noise climbs, you start getting freezing and bits of image cutting out until it goes black. In some ways it is more annoying than analog static 'cause at least at least with static I could still watch the show.
I can personally attest that the quality of HDMI cables *does* impact your ability to get a signal at all though.
If the connection is bad, the picture will freeze, and the screen will go blank.
I have a crappy HDMI cable that I got for cheap that I used to use w/ my android tablet. With that cable, if I didn't kind of coil part of it just right, next to the TV, the signal would cut out periodically. Full extended, it was almost useless, failing almost all the time.
Replaced it with a more expensive HDMI cable, and haven't had any problems since.
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/Teller-Reveals-His-Secrets.html
You guys might enjoy this article.
Also check View All Comments - there is one from The Amazing Randi
Huh. According to Wikipedia...
The seeds of Capsicum plants are predominantly dispersed by birds. The TRPV1 channel to which capsaicin binds does not respond to capsaicin and related chemicals in birds (avian vs mammalian TRPV1 show functional diversity and selective sensitivity). Chili pepper seeds consumed by birds pass through the digestive tract and can germinate later, but mammals have molar teeth, which destroy seeds and prevent them from germinating. Thus, natural selection may have led to increasing capsaicin production because it makes the plant less likely to be eaten by animals that do not help it reproduce.[22] There is also evidence that capsaicin evolved as an anti-fungal agent,[1] and capsaicinoids are broadly anti-microbial.[23]
Soo. No sensitivity to the heat, at all.
Perhaps the birds are just responding to the overall sweetness, flavour and appearance of the peppers, rather than their hotness.
http://medicalxpress.com/news/2012-03-memories-encoded-brains.html
Q&A with the researcher. Bit more detail than GizMag.
http://www.ploscompbiol.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pcbi.1002421
The paper (gizmag links to it too)
Update from the article...
UPDATE 2, VIDEO DOCUMENTATION: Many have been asking for proof or documentation beyond eyewitnesses, and the swarm delivers, here in the shape of user JPMH on Slashdot. JPMH writes, âoeThe agenda item starts at 10:27 [in the linked video], and the voting runs from 10:31 to 10:51. The amendment in question appears to be âoeCompromise 20â, voted on at 10:39, which is indeed rejected by 12 votes to 14.â