Really? Even on the Vista preloaded laptops with "Only drivers for Vista, which NDISWrapper won't load and there are no Linux drivers available for it yet" laptops?
You know, like the ones from many manufactures such as Dell and HP.
Now, please, STFU and pull your head out of your ass.
Statements like "Users want a smaller Windows that can run on low-priced -- and low-powered -- hardware..." make me wonder if these guys graduated at the top of their class at Captain Obvious University.
Not really. Users might have wanted a larger Windows that offered more capabilities and features, instead. Arguably, Microsoft has laid their bets that this would be the case. Gartner is now saying that they bet on the wrong horse. Two words: Eye Candy.
That is not about desktop setups. It is about kiosks.
FTA (emphasis added):
"Students can walk up to each terminal, conduct an Internet search and go on to collect their printout, reserve a book, or access the college Intranet. Other sites are locked out by the proxy setting, and the workstations power off nightly using a cron [timed] poweroff command," he said.
That is a far cry from what a normal desktop computer would be used for.
See, you are not a fanboy because your laptop still has XP on it. If you were a fanboy, you would be evangelizing Linux to all your friends and would not have Windows on anything.
Your comments are irrelevant because you are choosing an arbitrary measure of success and it is one that ignores the true measure of success: adoption.
Gee, I didn't know that everyone is busy editing their pictures in a picture viewer with no editing ability.
In other words, as long as you set everything up for them and maintain it for them, they are fine. Sounds like you are doing all the work and they are just pointing and clicking. What happens if you are not around to do everything for them?
I wouldn't say most. Some do, some don't.
I take it you have never visited freshmeat or sourceforge.
Well, see they built out the network, but they never built out the last mile. And laying that last mile is what costs so much.
That big initial cost is bigger than you might think. The problem is not ROI, it is actually affording to put it in and surviving long enough to see a return.
Name commercial IMAP server for Windows that is better than OSS IMAP servers
Congradulations! You have just proven my point. The average desktop user is not going to be using an IMAP server.
Ok, you chose your measure of success, so I will choose mine. How about MS Office, the preferred office suite through out the world? How about IE, the most used web browser? How about Photoshop, the most used and preferred photo editing software? How about anti-virus software that protects computers from most threats when threats evolve daily?
Drugs can be successful too, but they only introduce dependency on drugs and provide temporally feeling of comfort until effect of drug ends and user starts seeking for other portion.
Figures you would use a self-serving drug dealer's definition of a "successful" drug. Maybe you should try a different definition: A successful drug is one that heals the patient without inducing harm or dependency.
Now, take that person and give them a new digital camera or a windows game to install on that computer, or have the video card go out and have them get it replaced and get back to me.
Why, I used my SuSe 10.2 box. And, last week I helped another team install RHE3 on a couple of servers because they aren't exactly UNIX guys. I am guessing you are a serious asshole because you assume that anyone who is not a Linux fanboy, like yourself, has obviously never used Linux. Judging from the tone of your post, chances are I have been using Linux since before you were out of diapers.
How many "average users" install new hardware on their Windows computers? The moment you feel confident enough to open up your tower case, rip out an old Graphics card and install a new one you are no longer an "average user".
A lot more than you realize. Consider that one can purchase a new video card at WalMart. What you forget is that it is not about confidence, but rather about books like "Fix your own PC" and "PC repair for Dummies".
Oh, and if you want to go that route, let us say Joe User goes out and buys a brand-new, just released camera. Or, a new make of webcam that is not supported by Linux. What then?
Here is one: What is someone manages to install a Windows based, network game and get it running under WINE, and then can't use the network part? What does that user do?
I used to work in IT support at a retail store - and I had TONS of pc's come through my hands from normal people wanting me to do things like set up 3g modems, modems - yes dialup on board thingies would you believe, "screen cards" and the like.
And, what would you have done if someone had brought in a computer with Linux on it and wanted a brand new, top of the line video card installed in it? Would you have installed it at all? Would have installed the hardware and then tell the customer they would have to install the drivers?
Let us go to Linux - you get pre-installed Linux boxes - fine for the "average user" - even easier to use. Plug into the network and you are online instantly, as a for instance.
Those boxes suffer from the same problem Macs have, namely they cost 1.5+ times the cost of a regular Windows machine.
No need to install office - it's there, chat client? there. You see - linux (and here I am referring to the desktop targeted distros such as Ubuntu/PCLOS/Mandriva etc) is very user friendly.
Just as long as nothing goes wrong.... like a sync freq mismatch or that WLAN NIC isn't supported.
As to you using it yesterday - if that is true I gladly apologize for my assumption. Your original comment, however, leaves me to think you are either lying for dramatic effect, or you popped in a disk, tried something out of the ordinary, and base all your assumptions on one wacky experience.
Hi there, I am a telecom application support engineer who works on Solaris, Linux, and Windows. I have used Linux on and off since the late 80s. I currently have SuSE installed on a couple of my machines. I have never worked support for a retailer, instead I have worked as deskside support, system admin, network admin, and field analyst, along with my recent app support roles. Last week, I spent time helping someone in another department install RedHat on a couple of servers along with commercial messaging software. I suggest you dig your head out of your ass.
I just wrote my first bash program this week, check it out - the source code is on my blog. It is a horrible mish-mash of commands and stuff to do something really badly - but it is there, and it is mine.
I would show you my last script, but it is copyrighted by my current company.
The one thing that detractors of Linus tend to overlook is the underlying philosophy behind it. I was able to write my little script because the community wanted me to write it. My success as a user/contributer is important to them.
Really? The community wanted you to write it? Amazing. I don't doubt it. But, that doesn't really address the fact that more often than not, the answer to a "noob" question is "RTFM" if there is a response at all.
Ah, so it is your contention that the 1% of FLOSS (most of which would not interest the average user) that is better than shrinkwrap makes up for the other 99% which is half-finished crapware most of which duplicates the functionality of 10 other crapware projects which duplicate one successful Windows app?
We synthetically generated TCP SYN packets at a rate of 100 SYN packets per second using the hping utility [3]. The packets were destined for the reserved IP address 2.2.2.2, on which no host is present.
To me, it sounds like they simulated a SYN based attack instead of normal traffic. HTTP, SMTP, POP, IMAP, SSH, etc do not send 100 SYN packets per second.
Well, it might be that FTTH is ridiculously expensive. Having worked for VZ, I can say for certain that they are feeling the pinch of the cost of the last mile.
I live so close to VZ and various switch centers, FiOS should be available to me, but it isn't because I live in an apartment. The neighborhoods around me all have it, but none of the apartments and few of the condos.
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Really? Even on the Vista preloaded laptops with "Only drivers for Vista, which NDISWrapper won't load and there are no Linux drivers available for it yet" laptops?
You know, like the ones from many manufactures such as Dell and HP.
Now, please, STFU and pull your head out of your ass.
I call bullshit.
Hope she doesn't want to use the wireless card.
Not really. Users might have wanted a larger Windows that offered more capabilities and features, instead. Arguably, Microsoft has laid their bets that this would be the case. Gartner is now saying that they bet on the wrong horse. Two words: Eye Candy.
FTA (emphasis added):
That is a far cry from what a normal desktop computer would be used for.
How did the parent post, which is nothing more than an anti-Vista rant, get modded interesting?
In other words, you don't know if anyone is fine with this or not and are assigning your opinion of it to everyone else.
Oh, look, blogspam. Your opinion is no better than anyone else's and judging from your blog, you are a dumbass.
See, you are not a fanboy because your laptop still has XP on it. If you were a fanboy, you would be evangelizing Linux to all your friends and would not have Windows on anything.
Hey look, the Linux fanboys modded me down. No surprise, really, as they can't take what they dish out.
To whomever modded my comment flamebait, you are an asshole.
Your comments are irrelevant because you are choosing an arbitrary measure of success and it is one that ignores the true measure of success: adoption.
Gee, I didn't know that everyone is busy editing their pictures in a picture viewer with no editing ability.
You are a fanboy troll.
I take it you have never visited freshmeat or sourceforge.
Well, see they built out the network, but they never built out the last mile. And laying that last mile is what costs so much.
That big initial cost is bigger than you might think. The problem is not ROI, it is actually affording to put it in and surviving long enough to see a return.
Congradulations! You have just proven my point. The average desktop user is not going to be using an IMAP server.
Ok, you chose your measure of success, so I will choose mine. How about MS Office, the preferred office suite through out the world? How about IE, the most used web browser? How about Photoshop, the most used and preferred photo editing software? How about anti-virus software that protects computers from most threats when threats evolve daily?Figures you would use a self-serving drug dealer's definition of a "successful" drug. Maybe you should try a different definition: A successful drug is one that heals the patient without inducing harm or dependency.
None taken, but you should change "squandered" to "fattened their bank accounts with"
Now, take that person and give them a new digital camera or a windows game to install on that computer, or have the video card go out and have them get it replaced and get back to me.
Why, I used my SuSe 10.2 box. And, last week I helped another team install RHE3 on a couple of servers because they aren't exactly UNIX guys. I am guessing you are a serious asshole because you assume that anyone who is not a Linux fanboy, like yourself, has obviously never used Linux. Judging from the tone of your post, chances are I have been using Linux since before you were out of diapers.
Oh, and if you want to go that route, let us say Joe User goes out and buys a brand-new, just released camera. Or, a new make of webcam that is not supported by Linux. What then?
Here is one: What is someone manages to install a Windows based, network game and get it running under WINE, and then can't use the network part? What does that user do? And, what would you have done if someone had brought in a computer with Linux on it and wanted a brand new, top of the line video card installed in it? Would you have installed it at all? Would have installed the hardware and then tell the customer they would have to install the drivers? Those boxes suffer from the same problem Macs have, namely they cost 1.5+ times the cost of a regular Windows machine. Just as long as nothing goes wrong.... like a sync freq mismatch or that WLAN NIC isn't supported.
Hi there, I am a telecom application support engineer who works on Solaris, Linux, and Windows. I have used Linux on and off since the late 80s. I currently have SuSE installed on a couple of my machines. I have never worked support for a retailer, instead I have worked as deskside support, system admin, network admin, and field analyst, along with my recent app support roles. Last week, I spent time helping someone in another department install RedHat on a couple of servers along with commercial messaging software. I suggest you dig your head out of your ass.I would show you my last script, but it is copyrighted by my current company.Really? The community wanted you to write it? Amazing. I don't doubt it. But, that doesn't really address the fact that more often than not, the answer to a "noob" question is "RTFM" if there is a response at all.
Ah, so it is your contention that the 1% of FLOSS (most of which would not interest the average user) that is better than shrinkwrap makes up for the other 99% which is half-finished crapware most of which duplicates the functionality of 10 other crapware projects which duplicate one successful Windows app?
Try making an intelligent statement instead of an ad hominem attack.
To me, it sounds like they simulated a SYN based attack instead of normal traffic. HTTP, SMTP, POP, IMAP, SSH, etc do not send 100 SYN packets per second.
Well, it might be that FTTH is ridiculously expensive. Having worked for VZ, I can say for certain that they are feeling the pinch of the cost of the last mile.
I live so close to VZ and various switch centers, FiOS should be available to me, but it isn't because I live in an apartment. The neighborhoods around me all have it, but none of the apartments and few of the condos.
I used it yesterday. I am informed. You are the dumbass for not knowing that you are not an average user.
What more secure OS? Linux? Please see my post about such fanboy comments.
In other words, never.