If people all banded together to have one e-mail account for a given group, accessed it via an anonymous connector, and then all wrote e-mails in the same style... perhaps this would be an erstwhile "solution" to the problem? After all, the gov't couldn't necessarily determine who wrote it. Granted a pact against torture would be required... it might be a start though... Call each group an Anti-Carnivore Cell. Granted it wouldn't be as effective as blowing up Parliament.
Oops, I'm in trouble thanks to that last comment! FBI: Don't worry! This isn't Britain! Say whatever you want about King George. That's why you have a First Amendment!
How do we know if the Carnivore information we receive is valid? If nobody public ever sees the actual code, how do we know what it's doing? Assuming the FBI's greasy thugs slip it past the Fourth Amendment, we need to ensure that every time Carnivore is upgraded, we receive notice. How could a system be set up that ensures the accountability of the program itself? That any version running is the same version we feel Consitutionally secure with?
[RANT] Law enforcement shouldn't have to do anything like this to nab crooks. It crosses the line of established Constitutional wisdom by a fair degree--outside of drug laws. Who elected all these anti-drug bozos who killed off all our Fourth Amendment rights, anyway?? [/RANT]
Anyway, the point is, I'm curious as to how we can tell when Carnivore code changes, or whether it differs from what we've been told.
That Darn Katz (sweeping generalizations, polemic)
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Having known only one reality, the young and techno-savvy can't quite imagine any other
He likes to make blanket statements about things he clearly has only the faintest knowledge of. To claim that there is no sense of real-world politics in the programming/hacking world is just plain idiotic. A better metaphor would be Prof. David Post's essay about Jefferson's Moose, and how people in the New World (be it physical or transcendental like the Internet) forge a path into the ensuing philosophical issues, like politics. If there is any hostility toward real-world politics in the Slashdotty community it is because it reflects exactly the same mindless tyranny espoused by George III over his Colonies. Such fascism is retroactive, not proactive. There is no need to look at the "real physical world" as some sort of more sophisticated place.
Not to suggest that physical issues don't matter, but I think the relationship Katz suggests is completely false. Take guys like Richard Stallman--he seems to have plenty of testosteroney motivation and his politics are precisely the opposite of Katz' description of the technocratic world.
This techno-elite, taking sophisticated knowledge of technology for granted, has lost touch with the vast numbers of people in the world -- the elderly, the poor, foreign-born -- who don't share their skills and confidence.
UTTER BALDERDASH. There are still liberal programmers. Jeez, doesn't everyone remember being picked on rather than praised for knowing computers? Didn't that turn anyone else into a Socialist??:)
I almost think this essay is more about getting holier-than-thou over his Slashdot detractors rather than making a real statement about, well, anything. Too bad it makes him look like a big idiot to anyone who pays attention to politics.
On the other hand, I notice that all my 'progressive' tirades that a liberal might find insightful are never marked up--whereas flames of my philosophy usually are. Maybe Katz is right after all and I'm the only person here who can code in Java and also support society instead of corporations.
Ah well. I'll probably get a -1 and prove Katz right after all.
A vote for Gore is a vote for Bush. Nader in 2000!
Redundant? Overrated? But I meant every word of that post! *sigh* I love Defcons is all I meant.
I remember one year at the Defcon, Al Jolson ran amok downtown and had to be arrested by the National Guard. After that he couldn't get arrested in this town. Ahh, memories.
The state of affairs today makes it more likely that the RIAA would *PATENT* the MP3 format, as a "business method" or somesuch, and then take anyone to court whose business infringed on it.
Two stupid birds, one big fat ugly intellectual property stone...
We should boycott the RIAA not just because of our demand that music be shared online. An even better reason is knowing that in two years our landfills will be twice as high thanks to stacks of Britney Spears and Ricky Martin CDs which will never biodegrade. Notice the prominence, in remainder/cutout racks, of Vanilla Ice--and he was big 10 years ago already! All those CDs will end up in the waste bin. Digital distribution ends the tremendous waste of resources that CDs cause, allows us to delete music once we realize it sucks... and if it's all archived in a digital library somewhere, as the Fonz would say, "heyyy!"
A better analogy would be Philo T. Farnsworth, inventor of the Cathode-Ray Tube (and the man that Professor Hubert Farnsworth on Futurama takes his name from).
Yet Gates is a household word
Gates already was a household word, as in, "Open the gates of the mansion so Senator Bedfellow can park his Ferrari."
There are fewer air molecules at higher altitudes, but they are of greater temperatures. "Burning up on reentry" depends on striking some of these high-temperature molecules on the way down (which is pretty likely, I'd imagine, but perhaps it isn't guaranteed). Perhaps a large enough culture of bacteria could spread this way, provided they can survive in the vacuum.
I'd be especially impressed if it could tell the difference between porn and the artwork of Jeff Koons--who photographs himself with his wife in a variety of "conditions" and whose work now hangs in museums.
My program "CyberSnob" will be able to do just that. Fortunately it is very liberal. Everything is art (especially porn!).
There already is a pomo essay generator I've seen at some Aussie server... I forget the address but you could probably look it up in a search. I think it's closer to a complex Mad-Libs method sort of thing whereas VirtualKatz is more of a filter. Or so I imagine...
Aha--it all makes sense now. Usually bad grammar goes hand-in-hand with bad spelling, or post-structuralist philosophical treatises. And this didn't look like Jacques Derrida to me... Now I know.
In media, by acquiring and powerful entities that these voiceless in fact, a malevolent government confrontation with the bottom of press can't claim anything he acknowledge a bank robber commits a closet utopian, fixated on MS sites include chickclickers.com and corrupting, that marketers can be deployed. But the case. Personal privacy a free-coupon/quilting Web Site Privacy Survey, conducted by the movie chain wants to believe we surrender our privacy.
Huh?? Not since reading Allen Ginsburg have I seen such good spelling in flagrant opposition to the rules of grammar. It's very poetic but what the hell does that all mean???
Katz rightly points out the media's role in this piece, but ignores the economic underpinnings. If there is more demand among consumers for a newspaper that uncovers more facts, then there is a competitive advantage in a journal's reporters further demolishing the walls of privacy (snooping for scoops). The change here has to come from the public: losing their shock at sexual conduct would be a good start; but real change would come if people ceased to buy rags that so blithely cross the bounds of privacy. Unfortunately, a quick glance down supermarket check-out lines reveals that this is a very unlikely thing. And libel laws don't help--the standard being that "actual malice" is required to prove libel of a "public figure", so Monica Lewinsky unwittingly become public pinata #1 despite never having deliberately transgressed into the public eye. I'd look forward to a day where nobody would give paparazzi jobs and where People magazine would have no buyers. Until then, the people can take the blame for intrusions of privacy. To put it glibly: change begins in your wallet!
...that's what the magic eightball told me, and I have sworn by it ever since. In fact Outlook is excrement and shouldn't be used by anyone... as long as people keep using it, all the security holes will be found and viruses/trojan-horses spread... Makes me glad I use Eudora. Heh heh heh. No "I love you" e-mails for me! {sniff}
Will Microsoft prosper in the 21st century? "Don't count on it."
In l890, Supreme Court Justice Louis D. Brandeis wrote that "the common law secures to each individual the right of determining, ordinarily, to what extent his thoughts, sentiments, and emotions shall be communicated to others."
Brandeis didn't become a Supreme Court Justice until 1916. Not to nitpick, but I hate sloppy research. This throws into question the accuracy of the attribution, of the entire article, and for some of us every other "fact" cited by Mr. Katz. Born in 1856, Brandeis easily would have been the youngest Supreme Court justice of all time in 1890!...Not that it's unthinkable--Brandeis was brilliant. But Katz is wrong.
As long as we're all talkin' sense in thinking of replacements for Mulder... how about Kermit the Frog? Teach Scully to be a puppeteer and orient the show around oppression of Puppet-Americans? Or Pikachu, powerful but a poor communicator and adept at understanding Japanese, which is more confusing even than an X-Files fan on acid? How about Chewbacca? "Tell him what we do with smokers, Chewy!" -"Nyargh!" How about replacing Mulder with a group of kids in a VW bus who go around with a big anthropomorphic dog, solving mysteries? Or a giant yak? Or to fill the void in Scully's basically empty life, how about a drug addiction? Or Lord Kimbote?
Ben Chadwick - Editor, Zero Future/Post-Collegiate Malaise
I'm 6'7" and I test drove the Honda Insight at a Sierra Club summit on electric cars. I fit okay--the Insight is a two-seater and the seats slide back pretty far. Compare to the Toyota Prius, arguably a more marvellous and prettier piece of engineering, but as a four-seater the driver seat slide is hampered by concerns for the blood circulation of the backseat passengers (as if!). So as a giant I would argue in favor of the Insight on this one. Or you can wait until Ford makes an electric Crown Vic.
Ben Chadwick - Editor, Zero Future/Post-Collegiate Malaise
When I visited Vancouver about 10 years ago (at the tender age of approximately 12) there were lots of video arcades but we weren't allowed into until age 18. I think they also had porno of some kind there, but I can't really remember. I think it's interesting that the orientation of the video game market is so different there than in America. (However, it was possible to play Street Fighter, etc. at local convenience stores, so I don't think it is/was strictly an age-restriction issue.)
Personally I like the Amsterdam model: lots of sex and drugs and almost no violence. (And now that I think of it, few or no video arcades, either!)
Ben Chadwick - Editor, Zero Future/Post-Collegiate Malaise
Soon there will be something better than shitting available online... www.e-Shit.com, or iShit, or a sewage system called napShit... Eventually all bodily functions will be subsumed by the Internet...
Ben Chadwick - Editor, Zero Future/Post-Collegiate Malaise
Yes, I'm sick of this argument (although I don't think I lost no matter how much you berated me about my "failures in electronics"--and for what it's worth, I used to work for a *not so big as "kitten"* defense contractor that rhymes with "timbre" (pronounced correctly) and designed a successful electronic device for finding land mines).
Fundamentally there is an unresolvable difference in opinion... I feel it's okay to help the unfortunate and you feel the unfortunate don't deserve help. I'm for FDR; you'd be for GW Bush:). I won't deny that liberal policies result in higher taxes, but what would I do with the extra money? Probably I'd buy more useless junk. No need.
The only real error in criticizing the homeless is that it overlooks the difficulty of getting a job once you sink below a certain level. If you go to McDonald's to apply for the job, having the requisite skills but wearing a shit-covered trenchcoat, you're not likely to get the job! There aren't very many resources addressing this problem, and I think that this should be somehow corrected, preferably by the government.
The government can only legitimize itself by ensuring security for the people, and I think that should include all people--not just those with money, as it tends to. I see failure on this front as Social Darwinism because it implies that there is no value in human life that cannot get its own food, and therefore that valueless life should be left to die.
(Interestingly, we have a similar perspective in some ways-- after all, you've designed a RADAR that helps protect the citizens, while I'm advocating a different sort of government spending that would also protect the citizens.)
Yeah, we might be able to switch ID's (I'm a 6'7 brown haired, brown eyed dude...) but I'll spare the other details since I don't want to turn slashdot into an online dating service...:)
Ben Chadwick - Editor, Zero Future/Post-Collegiate Malaise
Slashdot Mirror
If people all banded together to have one e-mail account for a given group, accessed it via an anonymous connector, and then all wrote e-mails in the same style... perhaps this would be an erstwhile "solution" to the problem? After all, the gov't couldn't necessarily determine who wrote it. Granted a pact against torture would be required... it might be a start though... Call each group an Anti-Carnivore Cell. Granted it wouldn't be as effective as blowing up Parliament.
Oops, I'm in trouble thanks to that last comment!
FBI: Don't worry! This isn't Britain! Say whatever you want about King George. That's why you have a First Amendment!
How do we know if the Carnivore information we receive is valid? If nobody public ever sees the actual code, how do we know what it's doing? Assuming the FBI's greasy thugs slip it past the Fourth Amendment, we need to ensure that every time Carnivore is upgraded, we receive notice. How could a system be set up that ensures the accountability of the program itself? That any version running is the same version we feel Consitutionally secure with?
[RANT]
Law enforcement shouldn't have to do anything like this to nab crooks. It crosses the line of established Constitutional wisdom by a fair degree--outside of drug laws. Who elected all these anti-drug bozos who killed off all our Fourth Amendment rights, anyway??
[/RANT]
Anyway, the point is, I'm curious as to how we can tell when Carnivore code changes, or whether it differs from what we've been told.
Having known only one reality, the young and techno-savvy can't quite imagine any other
:)
He likes to make blanket statements about things he clearly has only the faintest knowledge of. To claim that there is no sense of real-world politics in the programming/hacking world is just plain idiotic. A better metaphor would be Prof. David Post's essay about Jefferson's Moose, and how people in the New World (be it physical or transcendental like the Internet) forge a path into the ensuing philosophical issues, like politics. If there is any hostility toward real-world politics in the Slashdotty community it is because it reflects exactly the same mindless tyranny espoused by George III over his Colonies. Such fascism is retroactive, not proactive. There is no need to look at the "real physical world" as some sort of more sophisticated place.
Not to suggest that physical issues don't matter, but I think the relationship Katz suggests is completely false. Take guys like Richard Stallman--he seems to have plenty of testosteroney motivation and his politics are precisely the opposite of Katz' description of the technocratic world.
This techno-elite, taking sophisticated knowledge of technology for granted, has lost touch with the vast numbers of people in the world -- the elderly, the poor, foreign-born -- who don't share their skills and confidence.
UTTER BALDERDASH. There are still liberal programmers. Jeez, doesn't everyone remember being picked on rather than praised for knowing computers? Didn't that turn anyone else into a Socialist??
I almost think this essay is more about getting holier-than-thou over his Slashdot detractors rather than making a real statement about, well, anything. Too bad it makes him look like a big idiot to anyone who pays attention to politics.
On the other hand, I notice that all my 'progressive' tirades that a liberal might find insightful are never marked up--whereas flames of my philosophy usually are. Maybe Katz is right after all and I'm the only person here who can code in Java and also support society instead of corporations.
Ah well. I'll probably get a -1 and prove Katz right after all.
A vote for Gore is a vote for Bush. Nader in 2000!
Redundant? Overrated? But I meant every word of that post! *sigh* I love Defcons is all I meant.
I remember one year at the Defcon, Al Jolson ran amok downtown and had to be arrested by the National Guard. After that he couldn't get arrested in this town. Ahh, memories.
The state of affairs today makes it more likely that the RIAA would *PATENT* the MP3 format, as a "business method" or somesuch, and then take anyone to court whose business infringed on it.
Two stupid birds, one big fat ugly intellectual property stone...
We should boycott the RIAA not just because of our demand that music be shared online. An even better reason is knowing that in two years our landfills will be twice as high thanks to stacks of Britney Spears and Ricky Martin CDs which will never biodegrade. Notice the prominence, in remainder/cutout racks, of Vanilla Ice--and he was big 10 years ago already! All those CDs will end up in the waste bin. Digital distribution ends the tremendous waste of resources that CDs cause, allows us to delete music once we realize it sucks... and if it's all archived in a digital library somewhere, as the Fonz would say, "heyyy!"
A better analogy would be Philo T. Farnsworth, inventor of the Cathode-Ray Tube (and the man that Professor Hubert Farnsworth on Futurama takes his name from).
Yet Gates is a household word
Gates already was a household word, as in, "Open the gates of the mansion so Senator Bedfellow can park his Ferrari."
There are fewer air molecules at higher altitudes, but they are of greater temperatures. "Burning up on reentry" depends on striking some of these high-temperature molecules on the way down (which is pretty likely, I'd imagine, but perhaps it isn't guaranteed). Perhaps a large enough culture of bacteria could spread this way, provided they can survive in the vacuum.
(Or maybe I'm on crack?)
I'd be especially impressed if it could tell the difference between porn and the artwork of Jeff Koons--who photographs himself with his wife in a variety of "conditions" and whose work now hangs in museums.
My program "CyberSnob" will be able to do just that. Fortunately it is very liberal. Everything is art (especially porn!).
"Donuts... is there anything they can't do?"
-Homer Simpson, the best mono-thingy-guy there ever was.
There already is a pomo essay generator I've seen at some Aussie server... I forget the address but you could probably look it up in a search. I think it's closer to a complex Mad-Libs method sort of thing whereas VirtualKatz is more of a filter. Or so I imagine...
Aha--it all makes sense now. Usually bad grammar goes hand-in-hand with bad spelling, or post-structuralist philosophical treatises. And this didn't look like Jacques Derrida to me... Now I know.
In media, by acquiring and powerful entities that these voiceless in fact, a malevolent government confrontation with the bottom of press can't claim anything he acknowledge a bank robber commits a closet utopian, fixated on MS sites include chickclickers.com and corrupting, that marketers can be deployed. But the case. Personal privacy a free-coupon/quilting Web Site Privacy Survey, conducted by the movie chain wants to believe we surrender our privacy.
Huh?? Not since reading Allen Ginsburg have I seen such good spelling in flagrant opposition to the rules of grammar. It's very poetic but what the hell does that all mean???
Katz rightly points out the media's role in this piece, but ignores the economic underpinnings. If there is more demand among consumers for a newspaper that uncovers more facts, then there is a competitive advantage in a journal's reporters further demolishing the walls of privacy (snooping for scoops). The change here has to come from the public: losing their shock at sexual conduct would be a good start; but real change would come if people ceased to buy rags that so blithely cross the bounds of privacy. Unfortunately, a quick glance down supermarket check-out lines reveals that this is a very unlikely thing. And libel laws don't help--the standard being that "actual malice" is required to prove libel of a "public figure", so Monica Lewinsky unwittingly become public pinata #1 despite never having deliberately transgressed into the public eye. I'd look forward to a day where nobody would give paparazzi jobs and where People magazine would have no buyers. Until then, the people can take the blame for intrusions of privacy. To put it glibly: change begins in your wallet!
Apple is as apple does....
...that's what the magic eightball told me, and I have sworn by it ever since. In fact Outlook is excrement and shouldn't be used by anyone... as long as people keep using it, all the security holes will be found and viruses/trojan-horses spread... Makes me glad I use Eudora. Heh heh heh. No "I love you" e-mails for me! {sniff}
Will Microsoft prosper in the 21st century?
"Don't count on it."
In l890, Supreme Court Justice Louis D. Brandeis wrote that "the common law secures to each individual the right of determining, ordinarily, to what extent his thoughts, sentiments, and emotions shall be communicated to others."
...Not that it's unthinkable--Brandeis was brilliant. But Katz is wrong.
Brandeis didn't become a Supreme Court Justice until 1916. Not to nitpick, but I hate sloppy research. This throws into question the accuracy of the attribution, of the entire article, and for some of us every other "fact" cited by Mr. Katz. Born in 1856, Brandeis easily would have been the youngest Supreme Court justice of all time in 1890!
"Unless accompanied by parent or guardian..." I remember when I shared my first game of Mortal Kombat with my dad...
Ben Chadwick - Editor, Zero Future/Post-Collegiate Malaise
As long as we're all talkin' sense in thinking of replacements for Mulder... how about Kermit the Frog? Teach Scully to be a puppeteer and orient the show around oppression of Puppet-Americans? Or Pikachu, powerful but a poor communicator and adept at understanding Japanese, which is more confusing even than an X-Files fan on acid? How about Chewbacca? "Tell him what we do with smokers, Chewy!" -"Nyargh!" How about replacing Mulder with a group of kids in a VW bus who go around with a big anthropomorphic dog, solving mysteries? Or a giant yak? Or to fill the void in Scully's basically empty life, how about a drug addiction? Or Lord Kimbote?
Ben Chadwick - Editor, Zero Future/Post-Collegiate Malaise
My vote goes to Emo Philips, freaky comedian best known for playing the shop teacher in UHF who cuts off his own thumb with a table saw.
My vote does NOT go to Wilson-Philips, heavyset cheesegirl band...
Ben Chadwick - Editor, Zero Future/Post-Collegiate Malaise
Anyone who can deliver the line "this is my boom stick!" and keep a straight face throughout deserves the part. Hail to the king, baby.
Ben Chadwick - Editor, Zero Future/Post-Collegiate Malaise
I'm 6'7" and I test drove the Honda Insight at a Sierra Club summit on electric cars. I fit okay--the Insight is a two-seater and the seats slide back pretty far. Compare to the Toyota Prius, arguably a more marvellous and prettier piece of engineering, but as a four-seater the driver seat slide is hampered by concerns for the blood circulation of the backseat passengers (as if!). So as a giant I would argue in favor of the Insight on this one. Or you can wait until Ford makes an electric Crown Vic.
Ben Chadwick - Editor, Zero Future/Post-Collegiate Malaise
When I visited Vancouver about 10 years ago (at the tender age of approximately 12) there were lots of video arcades but we weren't allowed into until age 18. I think they also had porno of some kind there, but I can't really remember. I think it's interesting that the orientation of the video game market is so different there than in America. (However, it was possible to play Street Fighter, etc. at local convenience stores, so I don't think it is/was strictly an age-restriction issue.)
Personally I like the Amsterdam model: lots of sex and drugs and almost no violence. (And now that I think of it, few or no video arcades, either!)
Ben Chadwick - Editor, Zero Future/Post-Collegiate Malaise
Soon there will be something better than shitting available online... www.e-Shit.com, or iShit, or a sewage system called napShit... Eventually all bodily functions will be subsumed by the Internet...
Ben Chadwick - Editor, Zero Future/Post-Collegiate Malaise
Yes, I'm sick of this argument (although I don't think I lost no matter how much you berated me about my "failures in electronics"--and for what it's worth, I used to work for a *not so big as "kitten"* defense contractor that rhymes with "timbre" (pronounced correctly) and designed a successful electronic device for finding land mines).
:). I won't deny that liberal policies result in higher taxes, but what would I do with the extra money? Probably I'd buy more useless junk. No need.
:)
Fundamentally there is an unresolvable difference in opinion... I feel it's okay to help the unfortunate and you feel the unfortunate don't deserve help. I'm for FDR; you'd be for GW Bush
The only real error in criticizing the homeless is that it overlooks the difficulty of getting a job once you sink below a certain level. If you go to McDonald's to apply for the job, having the requisite skills but wearing a shit-covered trenchcoat, you're not likely to get the job! There aren't very many resources addressing this problem, and I think that this should be somehow corrected, preferably by the government.
The government can only legitimize itself by ensuring security for the people, and I think that should include all people--not just those with money, as it tends to. I see failure on this front as Social Darwinism because it implies that there is no value in human life that cannot get its own food, and therefore that valueless life should be left to die.
(Interestingly, we have a similar perspective in some ways-- after all, you've designed a RADAR that helps protect the citizens, while I'm advocating a different sort of government spending that would also protect the citizens.)
Yeah, we might be able to switch ID's (I'm a 6'7 brown haired, brown eyed dude...) but I'll spare the other details since I don't want to turn slashdot into an online dating service...
Ben Chadwick - Editor, Zero Future/Post-Collegiate Malaise