A group of people exercising a right to do something they've all agreed on? You aren't really that obtuse are you? Are you going to start bitching that we don't have 5 or 6 power companies per city or something now? Or just keep twisting my words around?
Regardless of how you feel personally about this, the city of Montecello has decided that communications are a utility & will be developed as such. It was probably voted on in a city council meeting with input from the cities constituents. How do you justify taking that municipal right away?
It's a two-way street with no easy answers, but I know it's a lot easier to vote out a city council than to get a telecom company to improve their service.
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about & you also need to look up what a subsidy is. It isn't a controlling interest in a company, I'll tell you that. It's basically free money & if you have an issue with that you should take it up with the ones that deem fit to give that free money away or deem fit to not put the restrictions on them that you desire. Whining, screaming & name-calling on Slashdot isn't going to do a thing to change reality. Neither is voting democrat or republican.
That's pretty god-damned funny right there. Every time I get upset about our leader's lack of vision here in the US, I just have to think about the good old UK & I immediately feel a little better.
You are picking nits, but you still haven't shown where & when the telcoms received free money from the government & if in fact they did, where it is laid out on how they are to spend that money & who gets ownership of said plant.
We are on the same side here, but it is ridiculous to try to argue an invalid point, and makes the rest of us looks like fools for siding with you.
Silly analogy. Just because the military buys a jet with your tax money doesn't mean it's your jet. Or even better, just because the government subsidizes a farm, it doesn't mean you own the farm either.
The telcos did in fact pay for the glass & copper that they put in the ground. They do pay for the easements granted by whatever municipality they are running through in the form of taxes. The government giving the telcos a blank check to purchase this stuff is not relevant to this discussion (if it's even true) because there were obviously no restrictions placed on the telcos on what or where they could do with said money, other than having to use it to expand their networks.
Again, I can't believe I'm defending these jackasses, but your information is simply incorrect.
Granting an easement is not the same as "giving land away". Telcos pay taxes on anything they have in those easements as well. The system AT&T / Bellsouth has to track taxes on their plant is mind-numbing.
I can't believe I'm defending that bunch of assholes, but that is simply bad information.
That is incorrect, please tell me where you read this at? Trust me, the city is not laying out the enormous cost of the fiber optic cable & just letting the carrier place it & maintain it. The easements granted to the carrier & the taxes generated thus forth are the only thing the municipality is concerned about. Yes, AT&T, Verizon, etc pay taxes on every inch of the network they have in the ground on public easements. Well of course in the long run, *we* are paying those taxes, but you catch my drift.
I'm a libertarian too (card-carrying) & I'd vehemently agree with you if the telcos weren't given a government mandated monopoly. Don't say "Oh you can just go put your own fiber down", because *you cannot* do this if the municipality in question will not permit you to do so due to municipal franchises & or kickbacks. The easements that communication fiber (& power, gas, water, etc) is placed in is granted by the city / county & some of it is still privately owned property. The whole system is in place to facilitate ease of record keeping & expanding / repairing the network.
Another good reason it should stay free & open regardless of whose glass it's running over is the fact that the whole thing owes it's existence to DARPA, a government body.
I do telecom design, & deal with the ins & outs of this everyday.
Since our number is so similar to the main office of a nearby apartment complex I get wrong numbers here at work all the time, I think I will start doing that as of the next one I get.
I don't care if you call him a waffle or someone that has finally seen the light, but keep in mind that Barr has refuted a lot of his previous positions. Like the rest of us he has slowly grown sick of the neo-cons in power.
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Make your own speech maybe? If you are that lazy you can just grab some creative commons licensed political speech.
As a poster above said, just put political speech in the metadata of the media files that you are distributing & then let the fireworks ensue!
How many characters can you fit in the MP3 file format's comment field?
Too bad you don't have guns. Assassination politics baby!
No, you've just stuck you head farther in the sand while wailing you are correct.
He was an anti-war protester during the Vietnam era too. I think he just may have bit more depth than most give him credit for.
I didn't care for him much in to 90's either, but it seems like he drank the neo-con kool-ade & decided it's piss instead.
A group of people exercising a right to do something they've all agreed on? You aren't really that obtuse are you? Are you going to start bitching that we don't have 5 or 6 power companies per city or something now? Or just keep twisting my words around?
Regardless of how you feel personally about this, the city of Montecello has decided that communications are a utility & will be developed as such. It was probably voted on in a city council meeting with input from the cities constituents. How do you justify taking that municipal right away?
It's a two-way street with no easy answers, but I know it's a lot easier to vote out a city council than to get a telecom company to improve their service.
The city doesn't lay or design anything, they contract it out just like most of the big telecom companies.
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about & you also need to look up what a subsidy is. It isn't a controlling interest in a company, I'll tell you that. It's basically free money & if you have an issue with that you should take it up with the ones that deem fit to give that free money away or deem fit to not put the restrictions on them that you desire. Whining, screaming & name-calling on Slashdot isn't going to do a thing to change reality. Neither is voting democrat or republican.
Man, that is creepy as hell. I'm not sure the after picture is actually prettier than the before picture either.
Suprise, the RIAA has been around since 1952.
Yes, 105% Flamebait, but it really does make me smile inside!!!
That's pretty god-damned funny right there. Every time I get upset about our leader's lack of vision here in the US, I just have to think about the good old UK & I immediately feel a little better.
Thanks guys!
Ditto where applicable. I'm also voting against every single incumbent that I can above the city level.
Oh yeah, you need to look up the definition of "subsidize" It doesn't mean what I think you think it means.
You are picking nits, but you still haven't shown where & when the telcoms received free money from the government & if in fact they did, where it is laid out on how they are to spend that money & who gets ownership of said plant.
We are on the same side here, but it is ridiculous to try to argue an invalid point, and makes the rest of us looks like fools for siding with you.
Please look up "municipal franchise". It will make a whole lot of things clearer to you in regards to this.
Disclaimer: I'm all for network neutrality as defined by the EFF, but using invalid arguments to defend your position makes us all look bad.
Silly analogy. Just because the military buys a jet with your tax money doesn't mean it's your jet. Or even better, just because the government subsidizes a farm, it doesn't mean you own the farm either.
The telcos did in fact pay for the glass & copper that they put in the ground. They do pay for the easements granted by whatever municipality they are running through in the form of taxes. The government giving the telcos a blank check to purchase this stuff is not relevant to this discussion (if it's even true) because there were obviously no restrictions placed on the telcos on what or where they could do with said money, other than having to use it to expand their networks.
Again, I can't believe I'm defending these jackasses, but your information is simply incorrect.
Granting an easement is not the same as "giving land away". Telcos pay taxes on anything they have in those easements as well. The system AT&T / Bellsouth has to track taxes on their plant is mind-numbing.
I can't believe I'm defending that bunch of assholes, but that is simply bad information.
That is incorrect, please tell me where you read this at? Trust me, the city is not laying out the enormous cost of the fiber optic cable & just letting the carrier place it & maintain it. The easements granted to the carrier & the taxes generated thus forth are the only thing the municipality is concerned about. Yes, AT&T, Verizon, etc pay taxes on every inch of the network they have in the ground on public easements. Well of course in the long run, *we* are paying those taxes, but you catch my drift.
I'm a libertarian too (card-carrying) & I'd vehemently agree with you if the telcos weren't given a government mandated monopoly. Don't say "Oh you can just go put your own fiber down", because *you cannot* do this if the municipality in question will not permit you to do so due to municipal franchises & or kickbacks. The easements that communication fiber (& power, gas, water, etc) is placed in is granted by the city / county & some of it is still privately owned property. The whole system is in place to facilitate ease of record keeping & expanding / repairing the network.
Another good reason it should stay free & open regardless of whose glass it's running over is the fact that the whole thing owes it's existence to DARPA, a government body.
I do telecom design, & deal with the ins & outs of this everyday.
Since our number is so similar to the main office of a nearby apartment complex I get wrong numbers here at work all the time, I think I will start doing that as of the next one I get.
Well, who'd you vote for last election cycle?
"Rush Limbaugh the Huge"
Hey, that has a nice ring to it.
I don't care if you call him a waffle or someone that has finally seen the light, but keep in mind that Barr has refuted a lot of his previous positions. Like the rest of us he has slowly grown sick of the neo-cons in power.