Oh my god, you didn't even read my whole post, which said SO plainly: monopolies are not illegal, period. The part that is illegal is when they abuse the monopolies or engage in unfair business practices to gain or maintain a monopoly.
Okay, so are you goin to ask what part is illegal now? Since last time you asked right after I explained it.
Oh wow, I hadn't noticed Kuro5hin was gone, haven't been surfing much lately. How did that not make slashdot? I mean I'm sorry, but that's REAL news in the geek world, unlike the numerous stories about X-men, hellmouth blah blah blah blah blah
Napster is a COMPANY, not a person. Companies do not care about sharing. Companies do not care about the open exchange of ideas. Sometimes companies pretend that they care about that in order to further their business. Sometimes companies happen to do a lot of things that help sharing, but do not ever forget: the main reason for a company to exist is to make money, and to build the company. Not to help sharing.
Anyone who thinks that Napster isn't as intrinsically impersonal and corporate as Microsoft is naive. Napster is a huge company with funding, and right now they are saying that "sharing" music is okay, because that is what their business model is based on. If they found a foolproof way to make more money by enforcing copyright tomorrow, do you REALLY think they wouldn't do it? Seriously, think about it.
All this talk about whether what Napster does is moral or immoral misses the point: Hypocrisy and morality are not issues when it comes to a company, because it is an organization, not a person. Anyone who thinks that anyone at Napster will go "mm yeah , that article makes me realize, we are sort of wrong" and do anything at all differently than how they have been is, frankly, just stupid.
What does duh mean? Is Rob saying duh as in "duh, didn't you realize that all the stories we post that are just totally totally half-baked and wrong and stupid, we KNOW are false"?
I'm not saying there isn't a strong anti-MS sentiment around here, but there's a pretty strong anti-AOL one too. I for one dislike each company equally (along with Apple, whose computers I use). I really think this is NOT a case where people would bash MS though if the shoe was on the other foot. I think everyone here is sort of struck by how unfair this whole case seems to be. Like when all the companies were tryin to get legislators to FORCE AOL to open their spec.. HUH? Imagine if you came up with some great product and it got so popular that some of your competitors lobbied politicians to force you to give away the one thing that let you keep control of it?
And, any references to the MS anti-trust case are not valid here either, because MS weren't convicted of having a monopoly, they were convicted of using unfair business practices to quash competition unfairly. AOL haven't done any such thing, they've just created a product that everyone ended up using, for various reasons. It's a monopoly MAYBE, but monopolies are not illegal.
How did this get modded as funny? I don't think it was meant to be, and I am pretty sure it is dead on what would happen if this IMUnified thing "worked".
Mmm yeah, encryption would rule for IM clients, totally, they're so insecure!
Anyway though, I think the original post really was getting at the way that MS "embraced and extended" the kerberos spec itself, and they just mean that MS would do the same thing with the IM spec if one standard becomes prevalent. ie. they'd change it slightly in a way that meant they'd have an advantage. Which they would I bet too!
Pretty sure it can't be his though, since they wouldn't give him cron access. And from what I saw, he only had one login that he gave everyone, which was just HIS login basically, you know? I wish the page were accessible to get more info.
From what I can see, this site was hosted just on some hosting provider and then this guy gave away the password to a billion people right? That is pretty retarded, just asking for trouble, unless he worked for them or had permission or something.
I am guessing this webhost will be extremely angry at this for having their machine broken into (by some accounts people who sshed in got root, yes?) and possibly try to burn him for violating their terms if they included anything to cover this.
I am not sure if he did it intentionally, but if you were some guy who was mad at you host cause they didn't let you use cron, what better way to get back at them than just running a shell account guaranteed to attract crackers and script kiddies?
So, basically I don't feel sorry for this guy at all. He didn't have any important files he lost or anything, but the workers at his webhost are now going to have to clean up a box because some jackass gave shell access to the readership of slashdot. I would imagine that would be any security team's nightmare, no matter how well they had applied all the latest security patches.
yeah, i'm sure the FBI has just been waiting for someone to come up with a search engine like this so they can finally monitor what's going on. They couldn't possibly do this themselves right? Uhhh
I would say that the legality is: If you're an ISP, probably just if you nullroute something, your customers might get mad but can't really sue you. Unless maybe you intentionally messed with a site's DNS so that your customers went to a fake site that seemed to be the real thing? Ha, sort of like what paypai.com did, but on a DNS level.
Really though, I doubt you'd ever see this taken to court. Even the RBL is only just now being (possibly) challenged in court, and that's much more likely to ever see legal action than some private nullroute you implement on your own network.
Please make your own browser. NOW. Wait, that's not fast enough! I think I'll write you a letter complaining!
God, the nerve. All that they're doing is burying any respect Netscape had for standards to begin with. If I was on the Netscape team right now I'd just be like "Why do they think they have any right to slap my wrists?" and ignore them from now on. The WSP are self-righteous publicity whores who have accomplished absolutely nothing. Ever.
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This is probably covered under existing laws, but they aren't going to stop scam artists like this guy. I am not saying Paypal should have anticipated this at all, that would be hard, but imagine if they HAD anticipated it, they would have saved so much hassle by spending an extra few bucks.
Although they wouldn't get all this publicity...
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In the recent domain hijackings that I think Slashdot linked, the actual trail of countries involved was pretty crazy and widespread. These guys know how to conceal themselves pretty well, they're not dumb enough to actually give their real country, etc, to netsol. If I was them I'd for sure give Romania or somewhere like that, cause some people will just go "oh well they're operating out of there because it's hard to catch them" and give up, which may be just what they want. The people could really be hoveled up in new jersey or whatever.
On the other hand, Russia is definitely ground zero for credit card scams right now.
Is anyone scared of how many links to Transmeta there will be after they've actually been around a while and have a bunch of products out? Me too. I think the entire slashdot index page will just be links to Transmeta. Stories about microsoft, Corel, Star Wars, Lego, they'll all link to transmeta.com exclusively.
Well, until the story leaks that the whole time Linus has been working there he's been playing Tetris and they just hired him to get huge amounts of free publicity from slashdot.
Does anyone really get excited about this? This seems like a really blah, boring thing. Are Palms going to wind up like Gameboys, where the actual processor power of the thing never goes up that much? The Gameboy has had the same slightly altered Z-80 processor for about 10 years and won't get an upgrade until early next year (When they stick in a nice 32-bit ARM processor). The Z-80 is of course famous for being in the atari2600s and timex-sinclair boxes.
I mean ok, 8 megs of RAM instead of 2 is nice (just like how Gameboy games got bigger size-wise with the advent of cartridges that hold more memory), but is the processor any beefier? Is there some correlation between hand-held devices and a power increase that is more sluggish than Moore's law would predict? I had it in my head that it should actually grow faster on new kinds of devices, but copmpact devices (Palms, mp3 players, videogame systems) seem to not get beefy as fast as they should. Am I crazy?
I think you just proved his point! You are saying "I don't even know what I am doing, but I will figure out some way to open source my book and do it". If you don't know what it means, why do it? Is there a practical reason or do you just walk around all day saying things like "Hmm, how can I open source my breakfast?"
oh i know. the problem is the lame plug-in they use on the page doesn't even work for their stock computers supposedly? i don't really care that much, it's just sort of lame.
How sad is it that I'm on a G3 powerbook with all the normal quicktime it comes with and I can't see apple's main page because of a broken-quicktime-plug-in icon?
But he's not complaining. He is making a joke. HA HA. FUNNY. It's like me asking why did the chicken cross the road and you going "SHUTUP, THAT IS MEAN, WHY WOULD A CHICKEN CROSS THE ROAD, IT'D OBVIOUSLY GET HIT BY A CAR! WHY DO YOU THINK ROB MALDA WANTS CHICKENS TOGET HIT BY A CAR OMG U R SO MEAN!!"
Could the people moderating this comment please read the onie it is in reply to. It is here. While I am sure by just reading this comment you think "wow, that's right!" you doni't know that the original comment was a JOKE, it was so blatantly jokey, and for this Arthur Dent to not notice it was a joke is crazy. For him to go off the rails about it is crazy. For him to get modded up for a comment that just doesn't make any sense when you look at what it's replying to.. well that's just slashdot.
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Okay, so are you goin to ask what part is illegal now? Since last time you asked right after I explained it.
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Anyone who thinks that Napster isn't as intrinsically impersonal and corporate as Microsoft is naive. Napster is a huge company with funding, and right now they are saying that "sharing" music is okay, because that is what their business model is based on. If they found a foolproof way to make more money by enforcing copyright tomorrow, do you REALLY think they wouldn't do it? Seriously, think about it.
All this talk about whether what Napster does is moral or immoral misses the point: Hypocrisy and morality are not issues when it comes to a company, because it is an organization, not a person. Anyone who thinks that anyone at Napster will go "mm yeah , that article makes me realize, we are sort of wrong" and do anything at all differently than how they have been is, frankly, just stupid.
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And, any references to the MS anti-trust case are not valid here either, because MS weren't convicted of having a monopoly, they were convicted of using unfair business practices to quash competition unfairly. AOL haven't done any such thing, they've just created a product that everyone ended up using, for various reasons. It's a monopoly MAYBE, but monopolies are not illegal.
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Anyway though, I think the original post really was getting at the way that MS "embraced and extended" the kerberos spec itself, and they just mean that MS would do the same thing with the IM spec if one standard becomes prevalent. ie. they'd change it slightly in a way that meant they'd have an advantage. Which they would I bet too!
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I am guessing this webhost will be extremely angry at this for having their machine broken into (by some accounts people who sshed in got root, yes?) and possibly try to burn him for violating their terms if they included anything to cover this.
I am not sure if he did it intentionally, but if you were some guy who was mad at you host cause they didn't let you use cron, what better way to get back at them than just running a shell account guaranteed to attract crackers and script kiddies?
So, basically I don't feel sorry for this guy at all. He didn't have any important files he lost or anything, but the workers at his webhost are now going to have to clean up a box because some jackass gave shell access to the readership of slashdot. I would imagine that would be any security team's nightmare, no matter how well they had applied all the latest security patches.
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Really though, I doubt you'd ever see this taken to court. Even the RBL is only just now being (possibly) challenged in court, and that's much more likely to ever see legal action than some private nullroute you implement on your own network.
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God, the nerve. All that they're doing is burying any respect Netscape had for standards to begin with. If I was on the Netscape team right now I'd just be like "Why do they think they have any right to slap my wrists?" and ignore them from now on. The WSP are self-righteous publicity whores who have accomplished absolutely nothing. Ever.
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Although they wouldn't get all this publicity...
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On the other hand, Russia is definitely ground zero for credit card scams right now.
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Definitely not something to inspire general confidence in interent commerce either. You decide if that's a bad thing:)
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Well, until the story leaks that the whole time Linus has been working there he's been playing Tetris and they just hired him to get huge amounts of free publicity from slashdot.
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I mean ok, 8 megs of RAM instead of 2 is nice (just like how Gameboy games got bigger size-wise with the advent of cartridges that hold more memory), but is the processor any beefier? Is there some correlation between hand-held devices and a power increase that is more sluggish than Moore's law would predict? I had it in my head that it should actually grow faster on new kinds of devices, but copmpact devices (Palms, mp3 players, videogame systems) seem to not get beefy as fast as they should. Am I crazy?
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oh i know. the problem is the lame plug-in they use on the page doesn't even work for their stock computers supposedly? i don't really care that much, it's just sort of lame.
How sad is it that I'm on a G3 powerbook with all the normal quicktime it comes with and I can't see apple's main page because of a broken-quicktime-plug-in icon?
chill baby, chill.
Could the people moderating this comment please read the onie it is in reply to. It is here. While I am sure by just reading this comment you think "wow, that's right!" you doni't know that the original comment was a JOKE, it was so blatantly jokey, and for this Arthur Dent to not notice it was a joke is crazy. For him to go off the rails about it is crazy. For him to get modded up for a comment that just doesn't make any sense when you look at what it's replying to.. well that's just slashdot.