tech support geeks? do you mean "fellow tech support colleagues" or "fellow geeks". I thought that "tech support" and "geek" were incompatible words...
I think you're right, and I really think it's too bad... Problem is that I got absolutely no idea about how to change that fact...
Offtopic Side note: The advantage of having karma to burn is that you don't have to be afraid to express your opinion for fear that some moderator who doesn't AGREE with what you say mod you down (happens too much nowadays), instead of modding you down because you're trolling/flaming/offtopic.
Ressource of US = 5* ressource of France too... Considering there's an overhead to everything, it'd actually be easier for the USA than for france. If you want excuses, blame your government to spend money on... Well... on stuffing their pockets.
And France has nothing like states' rights that the US has to cope with that makes us a patchwork of sometimes conflicting laws.
Who's voting? Me? No... You are... Blame it on yourselves...
I got karma to burn, mod me down into oblivion if you want, but you(collectively) are still responsible for what's bad (as well as what's good) so don't start saying "yeah, but others have an easier time" and move your arse.
How uncommon it is to see a fair "ruling" regarding domain name disputes involving a company and someone who's not representing a company.
The internet is starting to look more and more like real life, you got more money, you win.
Come on, since when does claiming "I'm not making money off the site" mean "I want to sell the site and you're not giving me enough money"?? If I am to believe John Gray's book, the judge has to be a female, this is too far fetched an understanding of a simple sentence. (no offense intended to the so-called "weak sex" audience)
If you see this as a problem, then it is a problem with your society. Unless they illegally stuffed the ballot box, or held guns to people's heads forcing them to vote for them, then there are a fairly large number of people in your country who *want* those people in office.
Actually, no. What happens is that people who are not happy with the system as it is now for various reasons, vote for these people to show they're not happy. Who in their right mind could believe what they say "Economy is bad, it's because of the blacks", "Arabs in our country causes an increase in murder, robberies, etc.". I don't think they're right, but that's not the point. The point is that although people voted for them, Having them in the government is not a good idea. Hitler too had great ideas, work for everyone. A car for everyone, highways for everyone. Sure... That costs money that could only be gotten through war. Sure a great idea to have these people in the govt. But I guess you have a point there, we can't protect people against themselves. They're elected, they have a say. If nobody wants to deal with them, then they'll be really heard only if they represent the majority, at least on those topics nobody else want to agree with. For the rest of the laws to be passed, they have a vote just like everyone else.
The problems in this are many. In the first place, the other members of the government are declaring their intent to be prejudiced against other legally elected members of the government because they are prejudiced. They are taking a moral stand by espousing the same bad morality they are claiming to be against. That is ignorant and ridiculous
Well, I wouldn't say ridiculous and ignorant... These people are taking a stand against right wing extremists. I would take it very badly were they to deal with these people, as would many of the people who voted for them. They make a stand and I find this extremely nice of them. Were they (right wing people) to be allowed to do what they want, they'd kick blacks, jews, italians, americans out of the country, and that's bad IMNSHO.
They need to be treated with the same fairness as any other legally elected official. If the majority of the representatives of the people don't believe in laws restricting the rights of citizens based on race or whatever, then no such laws will be passed.
Actually, it's better than that. The majority of representative believed so strongly that racial hatred is bad that they outlawed open expression of racial hatred. Now, just like you mentionned earlier. That law exists, if someone feels it's unjust, then they can go to our equivalent of the supreme court and rule it unconstitutional, but I doubt that's ever going to happen.
Because you are right and they are wrong.
It really is that simple. You need to realise that that is *exactly* what you are saying.
There are some basic things. I think racial hatred or religion hatred should not be allowed. Just like I think murder and corruption is bad. USA believes in free speech (well, used to at least, until your govt restricted it in many ways, but that's another matter) and I think that's a great thing to have, I really do. But I'm happy to have these basic laws all the same. By the way, there are things you can't do in the USA with your freedom of speech. Can you tell someone to go kill someone else and say "I can say what I want, he did it, not me?". Can you harass people on the phone? There are lots of example on restriction on your speech. We restricted some things you don't restrict, why is that bad? Do you have the right to prone child molesting on TV? I doubt it... Different restrictions... If it bothered people so much, the right wing people would have so many people in the govt that it wouldn't be possible to ostracise them.
As far as *my* elected representative goes, It doesn't work the way it does in the USA here, I don't vote for a single person, but for more than one or a whole party. And I vote for people at the sentate, the "chamber", the european parliament.... Lots of representative of mine. And I accept that my ideas be rejected if they represent the views of a minority. That's what democracy is about. Everyone can have ideas, only that of the majority will get implemented...
That is sickening.
The government arbitrarily chooses to ignore the will of the people.
Fascism is fascism.
So if they chose to not allow *your* chosen representative to represent you then that would be ok?
The sickening thing is that racist people manage to get elected...
Now, if the rest of the government doesn't want to deal with them, that's perfectly right... They are elected, the 2 representative have the right to vote and express their opinions. If they're not heard by the others, what's the problem?
How good it must feel to be on the "right" side.
This time.
Actually, I don't consider I'm on the right side, it's just that I don't think people like these have anything to do in the government. If we had a facist government, these people would be in jail. They are allowed to express themselves if they want, simply not inciting people to racial hatred, among other things.
If anything, you'll add to the feeling of persecution and solidarity against attack
Thank you for your solicitude but, as a belgian, I've been living with these laws for quite some time and I can assure you that I'm not feeling any prosecution. And I think these people deserve being censored.
One more thing. There's been an increase in numbers of people who voted for right wing parties (extremist ones). They were thus given the right to have 2 seats at the senate. One thing that made me happy is that all the other parties signed a (morally only, but better than nothing) a pact/treaty/paper saying that they would not deal with the representant of such parties.
In france, there are a couple of cities ruled by right-wing parties, in one of these, ONLY people of the party can join the local police. Great...
That's what the whole thing is about. I can't vote in the USA and am thus dependant on the US population to do things the right way. Which it unfortunately doesn't...
Just one extra word about your comment. I seem to see the USA as a big "God" country. Every important speech or during election campaigns, politicians seem to play on that "I believe in God too" thing. Being a chiristian myself, I am disgusted to see what they do "in the name of God". Such things as death penalty and retaliation are totally inconsistent with the Bible ("You shall not murder" or later, "If you are slapped on the left cheeck, present the right one", or again "love your ennemy"). abortion is another thing, but I can understand that is more a "me vs myself" issue more than the govt deciding things. Well, believing in God is a good thing to do IMHO, but posing as a believer and do things like that is just not correct...
This is nice to see that french laws can't affect a US company on the net. Now I hope that the same will apply with US laws and EU companies (or individuals).
Who will take the bet with me that USA will go to great length to make it possible to extend THEIR laws to other counries in a purely unjust way for the rest of the world.
They already sue EU people for creating and publishing the DeCSS, try to have EU pass "anti-terrorism" wiretaping laws... What else?
I am a european citizen and the last thing I want is see those corporate bought US laws apply to me.... Hey, who wants to pay for other people's lack of action?
7) Microsoft may not meddle in the the legislative processes of Fderal, State or local governemnts or bodies that make recommendations to them, with their work on UCITA being a prime model of behaviour that is prohibited to them as a monopoly.
This is simply the prohibition of free speech. I can't support this remedy. Microsoft, and especially the people who make up Microsoft, have the right to speek their mind, and lobby for ligislation. Free speech is a constitutional right, and our government shouldn't even attempt to take that right away from anyone as a condition of a settlement in a civil case.
One part of sentence that really ticks me off is "the right to lobby for registration". You know how that is called? Corruption... I think NOBODY should have the right to lobby. And if you think donations should be allowed, then restrict it to persons, not organisations, no corporations.
Corruption runs rampant in many countries, but the USA is the only one I know where it is legal. What good did it do to the USA? The only benefit is in the pockets of the politicians [and the corporations], certainly not the general public...
I've been reading slashdot for several years now, and one thing I can see is that most people (who get modded up to at least 2) are privacy freaks
Having a national id card that allows for one to say you're you through a picture on a card and fingerprints is not a bad thing at all. At least it can make everyone certain you're who you pretend to be.
I've been living with an ID card for my whole life now (in belgium), there are no fingerprints on it, but there are my pictures, address, etc... and I don't have any problem with that. I have to show my ID card only to governement people, I can show it to anyone though, but am not legally bound to do so. tons of people have already seen my id card, address etc, do you think I get a pizza van in accross the street with 15 cops xraying my house? There are few things I need to use my ID card for: dealing with the administration, banking, crossing boundaries of Europe, when a cop wants to verify that I have everything all right with my car (taxes paid, car passed the yearly security test,...) among others. What's bad with that? Do you think they enter everything I do in a database?
To go on with the privacy stuff, if you guys (and ladies) don't trust your goverment with your personal information then ELECT PEOPLE YOU TRUST. If you're tired of corrupted congressman/president/parties then vote for someone else!.
I don't see a single reason you'd want to hide things from your government, if you're a lawful citizen, then the cops/fbi/cia/nsa/whatever have absolutely no reason to get [extra] data about you, right? If that's not the case, then it's a sign you don't have the right people in the key positions in your governement.
I'm not saying there's no corrupted people in my country government, far from that, but if they decided to go for an electronic version of my ID card with more data on it that allows for tracking things I do with that card, then I say "no problem, go ahead", if it can simplify things when dealing with day-to-day matters, then they get a high five from me.
I think that those who want to hide things are those who should not be allowed to hide them. Yuo want to hide you have an affair with your secretary, fine with me, the governement is not interested in that anyway. You want to hide you're growing marijuana in your garden then you have a problem... If you want to be allowed to smoke pot, then make it lawful to do so instead of hide it. it seems like you're doing thinks backward. Make things legal instead of hiding the fact you're doing these things. If the people you have elected don't want to vote these laws, then vote for other people.
Big companies give money to politicians to get the laws they want, that's called 'corruption' and is illegal.
Corruption has always been there but it seems to me that USA got it to a point where people have absolutely no control over how things work now. Politicians will vote laws that favour big companies anyway, because having flourishing businesses in your country is good for the people, but with corruption/bribes/lobbies as they are, politicians don't vote these laws for the people but for THEM. Solution: make parties open their finance books, enforce anti-corruption laws, ban lobbying, make politicians have to say what they own when they enter a function and have they declare what they own when the leave that function and create something to control that. Sue the corrupted guys,....
So next time you have to vote again, vote for people you trust, I think it's high time the USA have a decent uncorrupted government and remember also that whatever government is in place in your country also has an influence on my country, whether I want it or not.
I don't know much about meteorology, but isn't predicting the wheather a tad difficult?
Besides, to be able to precisely model the earth's climate, they would need to have measures for about every (mathematical) point of the earth at a given time, which is not possible... Unless they go for an approximation, and then chaos theory kicks in and their 'thousands of years in advance' prediction is worth nothing. (the butterfly - hurricane thing anyone?)
You call that to (quote)help you improve your code(unquote)?
Not going to start a war BSD vs GPL all over again, but it seems fair to me that if you want to use the work others have done, you contribute. BSD license does not provide that IMNSHO.
Is that all those so called "christians" in the USA are shouting for revenge.
The ancient testament says "You shall not murder" and that applies to everyone, it does say "you shall not murder people who didn't kill other people". No, it simply says "you shall not murder".
Jesus said "if you are slapped on the right cheek, present the left one" (sorry, don't know the exact english words). But what it comes down to is that for a christian who believes in Jesus (definition of a christian), retaliation is NOT a right thing to do....
You're going to buy Windows anyway... why should they sell you what you want for $30 when they can sell you that + a bunch of crap you don't want for $200?
Because I won't shell out $200 for windows, I'll just 'borrow it', I might shell out $30 though...
The only winners in a system like that are the bigwigs that own the company. They probably drive around in BMWs and Mercedes while paying the people doing the work under $6/hour.
No, the russian programmers are the winners too...
it's just a ploy so that companies can keep costs down
It might very well be, but I think that the costs companies pay for a programmer/engineer nowadays are WAYS higher than they should (could) be. Don't get me wrong, I am working for an american company (telecommuting from belgium) and paid according to US standards -maybe a bit less than what they'd have had to shell out for a US programmer, but not much less - so I'm benefitting from this too.
The demand for skilled programmers has brought the prices up and up and to some degree, I don't find it normal that I earned more money at 20 than my mother did at 45.
Maybe I'm talking nonsense and a decrease in costs will only put more money in the pockets of those guys running the company (like you mentionned) but maybe will it also lead to more russian programmers being hired and/or US ones. If you had seen, like I have, what the situation is like in russia, I think you'd be happy for the guys. Besides, if they had to pay them US wages, what would be the benefit for the company?
Why should I be happy when 60 jobs in my area are unavailable to me because the firm has decided to only hire young, Russian, male programmers for slave wages?
Because if they had to hire US programmers, those 60 positions wouldn't probably exist in the first place. And what you consider "slave wages" are not low for the guys who receive it (like I already mentionned). It's not like you can't find job as an engineer/programmer in the USA and if it comes to that, maybe will it drive all those incompetent morons who are in it for the money and do not like what they do and leave interesting jobs to those really interested in it...
I'm not trolling, you know. I (think I) understand you, but there can be good reasons not to be pissed at this... I myself would rather see everyone be paid the same amount of money for whatever job whereever in the world, but that's another topic...
You sound pissed those jobs didn't go to US programmers/enginners... Well, get a look around you. US is not the centre of the universe, there are qualified people outside...
Why not be happy for the russian programmers instead of flaming the company that hired them? I can tell you that when some surgeons there earn USD 50/month, these guys must be pretty happy of they pay. I wouldn't say they're taking advantage of the situation there either, as they pay them very well. What matters is that they get paid 23000 breads per month, how much would that be in the US?
how can the same system of education that produced all those talented writers also have produced all that abominable Slashdot grammar?
Because quite often it's not the same education system. What I'm saying here is that there are a lot of people around here whose mother tongue is NOT english...
I'm bickering, I admit, what you say is true. It's just that the "bad slashdot grammar" has other reasons than the educational system of the United States of America.
While I fully agree with the points you make, there's also something else...
I have contemplated for a couple of years becoming a teacher... Nothing bad about this, I like teaching people things. What held (and holds) me back though, is not really the salary, but really the lack of respect. Unlike you, it's not mainly respect from principals or parents, but respect from the children (or teenagers) themselves.
It seems that the current generation of children have no respect whatsoever for teachers, thanks to their parents and the way the society as a whole looks at teacher. Teaching things to a group of kids who don't give a damn about me nor what I have to teach them is not really appealing to me...
So instead, I'm a programmer, I love my job, but I'd rather have children getting a better education because, like others have pointed out, the lack of proper respect from the parents, society (salary) and children lowers the quality of the teachers... Hence leading to the somwhat true proverb: "Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach"...
Slashdot Mirror
Return to castle wolfenstein, that's my pick... It's a really great game...
Because it's basically the truth, some exceptions aside? I personally fit in that description and have no problem with it
Yes, it's a joke...
Offtopic Side note: The advantage of having karma to burn is that you don't have to be afraid to express your opinion for fear that some moderator who doesn't AGREE with what you say mod you down (happens too much nowadays), instead of modding you down because you're trolling/flaming/offtopic.
Considering there's an overhead to everything, it'd actually be easier for the USA than for france. If you want excuses, blame your government to spend money on... Well... on stuffing their pockets.
Who's voting? Me? No... You are... Blame it on yourselves...
I got karma to burn, mod me down into oblivion if you want, but you(collectively) are still responsible for what's bad (as well as what's good) so don't start saying "yeah, but others have an easier time" and move your arse.
How uncommon it is to see a fair "ruling" regarding domain name disputes involving a company and someone who's not representing a company.
The internet is starting to look more and more like real life, you got more money, you win.
Come on, since when does claiming "I'm not making money off the site" mean "I want to sell the site and you're not giving me enough money"??
If I am to believe John Gray's book, the judge has to be a female, this is too far fetched an understanding of a simple sentence. (no offense intended to the so-called "weak sex" audience)
Actually, no. What happens is that people who are not happy with the system as it is now for various reasons, vote for these people to show they're not happy. Who in their right mind could believe what they say "Economy is bad, it's because of the blacks", "Arabs in our country causes an increase in murder, robberies, etc.". I don't think they're right, but that's not the point. The point is that although people voted for them, Having them in the government is not a good idea. Hitler too had great ideas, work for everyone. A car for everyone, highways for everyone. Sure... That costs money that could only be gotten through war. Sure a great idea to have these people in the govt. But I guess you have a point there, we can't protect people against themselves. They're elected, they have a say. If nobody wants to deal with them, then they'll be really heard only if they represent the majority, at least on those topics nobody else want to agree with. For the rest of the laws to be passed, they have a vote just like everyone else.
The problems in this are many. In the first place, the other members of the government are declaring their intent to be prejudiced against other legally elected members of the government because they are prejudiced. They are taking a moral stand by espousing the same bad morality they are claiming to be against. That is ignorant and ridiculous
Well, I wouldn't say ridiculous and ignorant... These people are taking a stand against right wing extremists. I would take it very badly were they to deal with these people, as would many of the people who voted for them. They make a stand and I find this extremely nice of them. Were they (right wing people) to be allowed to do what they want, they'd kick blacks, jews, italians, americans out of the country, and that's bad IMNSHO.
They need to be treated with the same fairness as any other legally elected official. If the majority of the representatives of the people don't believe in laws restricting the rights of citizens based on race or whatever, then no such laws will be passed.
Actually, it's better than that. The majority of representative believed so strongly that racial hatred is bad that they outlawed open expression of racial hatred. Now, just like you mentionned earlier. That law exists, if someone feels it's unjust, then they can go to our equivalent of the supreme court and rule it unconstitutional, but I doubt that's ever going to happen.
Because you are right and they are wrong. It really is that simple. You need to realise that that is *exactly* what you are saying.
There are some basic things. I think racial hatred or religion hatred should not be allowed. Just like I think murder and corruption is bad. USA believes in free speech (well, used to at least, until your govt restricted it in many ways, but that's another matter) and I think that's a great thing to have, I really do. But I'm happy to have these basic laws all the same. By the way, there are things you can't do in the USA with your freedom of speech. Can you tell someone to go kill someone else and say "I can say what I want, he did it, not me?". Can you harass people on the phone? There are lots of example on restriction on your speech. We restricted some things you don't restrict, why is that bad? Do you have the right to prone child molesting on TV? I doubt it... Different restrictions... If it bothered people so much, the right wing people would have so many people in the govt that it wouldn't be possible to ostracise them.
As far as *my* elected representative goes, It doesn't work the way it does in the USA here, I don't vote for a single person, but for more than one or a whole party. And I vote for people at the sentate, the "chamber", the european parliament.... Lots of representative of mine. And I accept that my ideas be rejected if they represent the views of a minority. That's what democracy is about. Everyone can have ideas, only that of the majority will get implemented...
The sickening thing is that racist people manage to get elected...
Now, if the rest of the government doesn't want to deal with them, that's perfectly right... They are elected, the 2 representative have the right to vote and express their opinions. If they're not heard by the others, what's the problem?
Actually, I don't consider I'm on the right side, it's just that I don't think people like these have anything to do in the government. If we had a facist government, these people would be in jail. They are allowed to express themselves if they want, simply not inciting people to racial hatred, among other things.Thank you for your solicitude but, as a belgian, I've been living with these laws for quite some time and I can assure you that I'm not feeling any prosecution. And I think these people deserve being censored.
One more thing. There's been an increase in numbers of people who voted for right wing parties (extremist ones). They were thus given the right to have 2 seats at the senate. One thing that made me happy is that all the other parties signed a (morally only, but better than nothing) a pact/treaty/paper saying that they would not deal with the representant of such parties.
In france, there are a couple of cities ruled by right-wing parties, in one of these, ONLY people of the party can join the local police. Great...
Just my 0.2 Eurocents
Just one extra word about your comment. I seem to see the USA as a big "God" country. Every important speech or during election campaigns, politicians seem to play on that "I believe in God too" thing. Being a chiristian myself, I am disgusted to see what they do "in the name of God". Such things as death penalty and retaliation are totally inconsistent with the Bible ("You shall not murder" or later, "If you are slapped on the left cheeck, present the right one", or again "love your ennemy"). abortion is another thing, but I can understand that is more a "me vs myself" issue more than the govt deciding things. Well, believing in God is a good thing to do IMHO, but posing as a believer and do things like that is just not correct...
but I wouldn't trust a snare... we keep reproaching MS to entangle us. I don't want this to happen to linux. no snare for me :-)
Who will take the bet with me that USA will go to great length to make it possible to extend THEIR laws to other counries in a purely unjust way for the rest of the world.
They already sue EU people for creating and publishing the DeCSS, try to have EU pass "anti-terrorism" wiretaping laws... What else?
I am a european citizen and the last thing I want is see those corporate bought US laws apply to me.... Hey, who wants to pay for other people's lack of action?
is that, when we're out of fossil fuel to burn, it will decrease the polution levels drastically ;-)
Having a national id card that allows for one to say you're you through a picture on a card and fingerprints is not a bad thing at all. At least it can make everyone certain you're who you pretend to be.
I've been living with an ID card for my whole life now (in belgium), there are no fingerprints on it, but there are my pictures, address, etc... and I don't have any problem with that. I have to show my ID card only to governement people, I can show it to anyone though, but am not legally bound to do so. tons of people have already seen my id card, address etc, do you think I get a pizza van in accross the street with 15 cops xraying my house? There are few things I need to use my ID card for: dealing with the administration, banking, crossing boundaries of Europe, when a cop wants to verify that I have everything all right with my car (taxes paid, car passed the yearly security test, ...) among others. What's bad with that? Do you think they enter everything I do in a database?
To go on with the privacy stuff, if you guys (and ladies) don't trust your goverment with your personal information then ELECT PEOPLE YOU TRUST. If you're tired of corrupted congressman/president/parties then vote for someone else!.
I don't see a single reason you'd want to hide things from your government, if you're a lawful citizen, then the cops/fbi/cia/nsa/whatever have absolutely no reason to get [extra] data about you, right? If that's not the case, then it's a sign you don't have the right people in the key positions in your governement.
I'm not saying there's no corrupted people in my country government, far from that, but if they decided to go for an electronic version of my ID card with more data on it that allows for tracking things I do with that card, then I say "no problem, go ahead", if it can simplify things when dealing with day-to-day matters, then they get a high five from me.
I think that those who want to hide things are those who should not be allowed to hide them. Yuo want to hide you have an affair with your secretary, fine with me, the governement is not interested in that anyway. You want to hide you're growing marijuana in your garden then you have a problem... If you want to be allowed to smoke pot, then make it lawful to do so instead of hide it. it seems like you're doing thinks backward. Make things legal instead of hiding the fact you're doing these things. If the people you have elected don't want to vote these laws, then vote for other people.
Big companies give money to politicians to get the laws they want, that's called 'corruption' and is illegal. Corruption has always been there but it seems to me that USA got it to a point where people have absolutely no control over how things work now. Politicians will vote laws that favour big companies anyway, because having flourishing businesses in your country is good for the people, but with corruption/bribes/lobbies as they are, politicians don't vote these laws for the people but for THEM. Solution: make parties open their finance books, enforce anti-corruption laws, ban lobbying, make politicians have to say what they own when they enter a function and have they declare what they own when the leave that function and create something to control that. Sue the corrupted guys, ....
So next time you have to vote again, vote for people you trust, I think it's high time the USA have a decent uncorrupted government and remember also that whatever government is in place in your country also has an influence on my country, whether I want it or not.
Besides, to be able to precisely model the earth's climate, they would need to have measures for about every (mathematical) point of the earth at a given time, which is not possible... Unless they go for an approximation, and then chaos theory kicks in and their 'thousands of years in advance' prediction is worth nothing. (the butterfly - hurricane thing anyone?)
Am I missing something there?
You call that to (quote)help you improve your code(unquote)?
Not going to start a war BSD vs GPL all over again, but it seems fair to me that if you want to use the work others have done, you contribute. BSD license does not provide that IMNSHO.
The ancient testament says "You shall not murder" and that applies to everyone, it does say "you shall not murder people who didn't kill other people". No, it simply says "you shall not murder".
Jesus said "if you are slapped on the right cheek, present the left one" (sorry, don't know the exact english words). But what it comes down to is that for a christian who believes in Jesus (definition of a christian), retaliation is NOT a right thing to do....
That's what amazes me the most....
I lack the words to express how bad I feel about the issue. This is fucking disgusting... Where is Justice, I wonder...
I wouldn't attribute thoughts to Bush ;-)
Because I won't shell out $200 for windows, I'll just 'borrow it', I might shell out $30 though...
Just my (scarce) $.02
No, the russian programmers are the winners too...
It might very well be, but I think that the costs companies pay for a programmer/engineer nowadays are WAYS higher than they should (could) be.
Don't get me wrong, I am working for an american company (telecommuting from belgium) and paid according to US standards -maybe a bit less than what they'd have had to shell out for a US programmer, but not much less - so I'm benefitting from this too.
The demand for skilled programmers has brought the prices up and up and to some degree, I don't find it normal that I earned more money at 20 than my mother did at 45.
Maybe I'm talking nonsense and a decrease in costs will only put more money in the pockets of those guys running the company (like you mentionned) but maybe will it also lead to more russian programmers being hired and/or US ones. If you had seen, like I have, what the situation is like in russia, I think you'd be happy for the guys. Besides, if they had to pay them US wages, what would be the benefit for the company?
Because if they had to hire US programmers, those 60 positions wouldn't probably exist in the first place. And what you consider "slave wages" are not low for the guys who receive it (like I already mentionned).
It's not like you can't find job as an engineer/programmer in the USA and if it comes to that, maybe will it drive all those incompetent morons who are in it for the money and do not like what they do and leave interesting jobs to those really interested in it...
I'm not trolling, you know. I (think I) understand you, but there can be good reasons not to be pissed at this... I myself would rather see everyone be paid the same amount of money for whatever job whereever in the world, but that's another topic...
You sound pissed those jobs didn't go to US programmers/enginners... Well, get a look around you. US is not the centre of the universe, there are qualified people outside...
Why not be happy for the russian programmers instead of flaming the company that hired them?
I can tell you that when some surgeons there earn USD 50/month, these guys must be pretty happy of they pay. I wouldn't say they're taking advantage of the situation there either, as they pay them very well. What matters is that they get paid 23000 breads per month, how much would that be in the US?
Compare what is comparable...
Just my 2000 Kopeks.
Because quite often it's not the same education system. What I'm saying here is that there are a lot of people around here whose mother tongue is NOT english...
I'm bickering, I admit, what you say is true. It's just that the "bad slashdot grammar" has other reasons than the educational system of the United States of America.
I have contemplated for a couple of years becoming a teacher... Nothing bad about this, I like teaching people things. What held (and holds) me back though, is not really the salary, but really the lack of respect. Unlike you, it's not mainly respect from principals or parents, but respect from the children (or teenagers) themselves.
It seems that the current generation of children have no respect whatsoever for teachers, thanks to their parents and the way the society as a whole looks at teacher. Teaching things to a group of kids who don't give a damn about me nor what I have to teach them is not really appealing to me...
So instead, I'm a programmer, I love my job, but I'd rather have children getting a better education because, like others have pointed out, the lack of proper respect from the parents, society (salary) and children lowers the quality of the teachers... Hence leading to the somwhat true proverb: "Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach"...
Just my 0.02 Euros.