Very few people were, IMO, objecting to the idea behind the book. They were objecting to the way Katz and Hemos went about it, making only a token effort to get permission from people to include their posts in the book.
" I believe that I am correct when I say that most GNU/Linux users use bash (wasn't there a poll about this?"
Most linux systems are distributed with GNU utilities. I'm not talking about *most* GNU systems, or *most* Linux users. I'm talking about myself.
"You simply can't have a running Linux environment without GNU! *That's* my point. I do not count megabytes, I count the number of components that are GPLd."
The GPL isn't what makes something GNU, otherwise the Linux kernel would be GNU and we wouldn't be having this discussion.
I simply can't have a running Linux environment without the contributions of hundreds of individuals and groups... I'm not about to call Linux, GNU/AC/DB/AV/../../../../Linux, though.
"Each time you type ls or cd you execute GNU code. The bash shell is GNU code."
You do realize that there are BSD versions of ls and cd, don't you? If you were as familiar with my system as as you claim to be, you'd also realize that I use tcsh and not bash.
"KDE and XFree is just a tiny part of the whole system when compared to the GNU utilities and the amount of other GPLd applications. It might be the
part that shows most, but they're not essential to the system."
Again, they may not be essential to *your* system, but they certainly are to mine. Combined KDE and XFree take up more room than pretty much anything else on my system. So much for them being a "tiny part".
"Cool! I've never been any good at using kernels without any software on top."
Me either, but what makes you think I use predominantly (or any) GNU utilities? Quite frankly GNU/KDE/XFree/Linux is a little too bulky for me, so I'll just stick to calling it Linux.
Don't mean to sound rude, but till you can boot RTP from a SCSI drive, there are a lot of people left in the dark. I'll wait till I can try it out before I get excited and fall for ploy of this press release.
He said: "The service with @Home is ABSOLUTELY horrible." I disagree and have any right and reason to say so.
Second: For every person who bitches about the service there are probably hundreds, if not thousands, of people who have no problem. Just because brammp does, doesn't mean there is a problem, moron.
"Next time, try listening to what RMS has to say, not how he says it."
But how he says it is just as important as what he has to say, if not more so. No one wants to listen to an evangelical and arrogant man, no matter how important the message.
Come on now... Jorrit states in his frist e-mail that Crystal Space is licensed under the LGPL, this alone makes it fall into the category
of "Free Software"... Either RMS was aware of this after the first e-mail, or he's a complete moron (and I would *never* argue that). It becomes quite evident, then, that RMS knew what Jorrit was asking, just simply refused to answer till Jorrit used the terminology that RMS approved of, dragging out the conversation for an extended number of e-mails.
It's this very attitude that makes RMS a bad advocate for the FSF since it's this attitude that turns people away. RMS should stick with programming and let others do the advocacy.
It's nice to know how imprecise your idea of "EXACTLY" actually is. Read up on the word in a dictionary and then we can have this discussion.
Presumably this is because he doesn't want to waste his time describing the Free Software stance to people who are only interested in the weaker Open Source stance.
So instead he wastes even more time exchanging how many e-mails?
BTW, just because you don't like the "Open Source" stance does not make it "weaker".
If I had been him, I would have informed the person that I can't speak for anyone in the Open Source movement, being a spokesman for the "Free Software" movement, but this is my opinion from the FSF point of view: blah, blah, blah....
If you had taken the time to read, you would have noticed that I was responding to a guy promoting XINU, whose homepage has *not* been updated in 2 years.
" Keep this in mind, in the US there are only a few groups of people that trully vote regularly.... old people, gay/lesbians, religious zealots, feminazi's. Do you seriously think any of these people give a shit about the space program?.... how about embracing technology for what it is truly worth(remember... many of the groups mentioned believe the internet is a tool of the devil.... )?"
What kind of stereotypical crap is this? Why should any of those people *not* care any more than someone on this board?
Ranessin (gay man who gives shit about the space program).
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Very few people were, IMO, objecting to the idea behind the book. They were objecting to the way Katz and Hemos went about it, making only a token effort to get permission from people to include their posts in the book.
Ranessin
"I'll bet GNU code is run every time you type ls or cd, and when you run your shell, and...."
And I'll bet BSD code is run every time I do that, too... I'm not about to call it BSD/Linux, though...
" I believe that I am correct when I say that most GNU/Linux users use bash (wasn't there a poll about this?"
Most linux systems are distributed with GNU utilities. I'm not talking about *most* GNU systems, or *most* Linux users. I'm talking about myself.
"You simply can't have a running Linux environment without GNU! *That's* my point. I do not count megabytes, I count the number of components that are GPLd."
The GPL isn't what makes something GNU, otherwise the Linux kernel would be GNU and we wouldn't be having this discussion.
I simply can't have a running Linux environment without the contributions of hundreds of individuals and groups... I'm not about to call Linux, GNU/AC/DB/AV/../../../../Linux, though.
"Each time you type ls or cd you execute GNU code. The bash shell is GNU code." You do realize that there are BSD versions of ls and cd, don't you? If you were as familiar with my system as as you claim to be, you'd also realize that I use tcsh and not bash. "KDE and XFree is just a tiny part of the whole system when compared to the GNU utilities and the amount of other GPLd applications. It might be the part that shows most, but they're not essential to the system." Again, they may not be essential to *your* system, but they certainly are to mine. Combined KDE and XFree take up more room than pretty much anything else on my system. So much for them being a "tiny part".
"Cool! I've never been any good at using kernels without any software on top."
Me either, but what makes you think I use predominantly (or any) GNU utilities? Quite frankly GNU/KDE/XFree/Linux is a little too bulky for me, so I'll just stick to calling it Linux.
Except that the QNX RTP was released *weeks* ago, and was announced on Slashdot then... This is nothing but marketing crap.
Ranessin
Don't mean to sound rude, but till you can boot RTP from a SCSI drive, there are a lot of people left in the dark. I'll wait till I can try it out before I get excited and fall for ploy of this press release.
Ranessin
I'll just use Linux, thanks
Adam
"Do you use their POP3 and SMTP servers?"
All the time.
Ranessin
He said: "The service with @Home is ABSOLUTELY horrible." I disagree and have any right and reason to say so.
Second: For every person who bitches about the service there are probably hundreds, if not thousands, of people who have no problem. Just because brammp does, doesn't mean there is a problem, moron.
Adam
Then maybe you shoudl leave Slashdot and only post to usenet...
Ranessin
Speak for yourself. My service with @Home has been nearly flawless, except for a minor glitch on my end.
Ranessin
Well, it seems someone who modded this down is a little insecure in their own sexuality...
Ranessin
"Then this is where we disagree."
:-)
I guess so
Frankly, I don't like being preached to by anyone, even if I agree with their beliefs.
Ranessin
"Next time, try listening to what RMS has to say, not how he says it."
But how he says it is just as important as what he has to say, if not more so. No one wants to listen to an evangelical and arrogant man, no matter how important the message.
Ranessin
I consider e-mail to be a proper word... Remember, there are other (although not many) proper words out there that are hyphenated.
Ranessin
Come on now... Jorrit states in his frist e-mail that Crystal Space is licensed under the LGPL, this alone makes it fall into the category
of "Free Software"... Either RMS was aware of this after the first e-mail, or he's a complete moron (and I would *never* argue that). It becomes quite evident, then, that RMS knew what Jorrit was asking, just simply refused to answer till Jorrit used the terminology that RMS approved of, dragging out the conversation for an extended number of e-mails.
It's this very attitude that makes RMS a bad advocate for the FSF since it's this attitude that turns people away. RMS should stick with programming and let others do the advocacy.
Ranessin
It's nice to know how imprecise your idea of "EXACTLY" actually is. Read up on the word in a dictionary and then we can have this discussion.
Presumably this is because he doesn't want to waste his time describing the Free Software stance to people who are only interested in the weaker Open Source stance.
So instead he wastes even more time exchanging how many e-mails?
BTW, just because you don't like the "Open Source" stance does not make it "weaker".
Ranessin
If I had been him, I would have informed the person that I can't speak for anyone in the Open Source movement, being a spokesman for the "Free Software" movement, but this is my opinion from the FSF point of view: blah, blah, blah....
It's quite simple...
Ranessin
Sorry if we don't all follow the RMS standard of terminology.
Ranessin
If they've added new drivers, I think that's worthy of updating the homepage
Ranessin
If you had taken the time to read, you would have noticed that I was responding to a guy promoting XINU, whose homepage has *not* been updated in 2 years.
Ranessin
" Keep this in mind, in the US there are only a few groups of people that trully vote regularly .... old people, gay/lesbians, religious zealots, feminazi's. Do you seriously think any of these people give a shit about the space program? .... how about embracing technology for what it is truly worth(remember ... many of the groups mentioned believe the internet is a tool of the devil .... )?"
What kind of stereotypical crap is this? Why should any of those people *not* care any more than someone on this board?
Ranessin (gay man who gives shit about the space program).
Ranessin
And where in the Constitution does it say that?
Ranessin