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KDE 2.0 Final Released
Well, as the title says - KDE 2.0 final is out! You can download it here or here or you can look at the mirrors (mirrors please!) Note: RH 6.2, FreeBSD and Solaris packages will be available soon. While you're downloading it, you may want to look at Kivio (a nice diagramming and flowcharting tool for Linux/KDE), or look for some applications for your KDE2 here. I've been using lately KDE 2.0 for a while and I must say - great work KDE team.
Now would be a great time to join the celebrations on the #kde channel at irc.kde.org. That is, if you manage to get a connection -- the server seems pretty swamped right now...
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- KDE 2 Might have been released later than they said look at the 2.4 kernel and other projects.
- Theres more than one component in a distribution do you wait for the new gnome, the new apache, the new mozilla...
- It needs testing. While release point zero might have great features it usually had bugs, and kde2 does. Yes its good, but I suspect the 2.1 (or 2.0.1) release will be more stable than kde 1.
Regards the making computers easy to use, yes its true windows isn't easy it has GUIs for everything but you still need to know what to but in the each configuration box. BUT, there is a big difference between the computer and the car, the car does one thing, no latest feature upgrades and so on. The car is much simpler. The car is one kind of hardware, the computer can have thousands of different options for hardware, just look at all the video cards, sound cards, network cards, and so on.We need to move towards the target you talk about and this is getting there for most software people use. The latest, specialised, technical kinds of software will be outside the understanding of most users. So what! Do you expect users to know how to install a new air conditioning system in their car? No. Infact the user doesn't install bits in their car that's the difference.
Speak for yourself, please.
"It's human nature" could also be applied to, say, tax fraud and spousal abuse.
the top three religions seem to have a large preoccupation with the "BIG TWO": sex and death.
Well, the afterlife, anyway. Which, last time I checked is closely associated with one of the two subjects you mentioned (I'll leave it as an excercise to the reader to determine which :-)).
A curious child might decry his parents' preoccupation with hot stoves. Perhaps religion's pre-occupation with sex merely reflects "human nature"'s preoccupation with its abuse. Though, as a practicing adherent of one of the "big three", I'd have to say I can't remember the last time sex came up in any of my religious discussions.
Lee Kai Wen - Taiwan, ROC
Install the KasBar panel applet and you can have the separated again. Currently non-embedded applets like this are not part of the release API however because we want to clean this part of the code up first.
My dad isn't ignorant, he isn't and idiot. He could talk the hell out of you in politics or sociology any day.
Hammer smashes nail on head. It's a mixing of categories and labels,
"Doesn't know unix" --> "ignorant of unix" --> "ignorant person".
Likewise for the category "stupid". But hell, it's even in the school system...
"logic/math/word thinking" --> "intelligent"
Which 'ignores' spacial/mechanical/musical and visual thinking.
And I hope that it is around for a while. I hope that it becomes more lightweight like Gnome is though. KDE takes twice as long, at least, to load on my machine over Gnome with no real advantages that I can see, other than pure ease of use. But once configured to my liking, Gnome is far better and easier. When I get my GF running a Linux box (after the Linux AOL client is availible) I'll probably set it up with KDE for her.
This is what is wonderful about freesoftware. I have a choice and can try things out cheaply:)
P.S. This is not a troll post. Just my personal feelings.
One thing about kmail is that you can't have a ~/Mail directory, say, from other mail programs as it will silently hang while reading it.
Is Kpackage included in this release? I noticed it was missing in the version included with Redhat 7 and also in RC2. I am kind of new at this so if it ins't there how do I get it back?
I read on the Maximum Linux site that it will be out Oct 28th.
Duh! Apple thinks more than one button on a mouse is too complex. You must be pretty simple too?
Does anyone have the MD5 check sums for the kde 2.0 rpm's? I can't find them anywhere.
What about KDE 2 email client? I need a client with filters and multiple personalities.
Shure KDE2 looks Great, but just like KDE it will probably be much slower than other windows managers, say FVWM95. I recently switched from kde to 95 a few months ago and I noticed a BIG speed difference. Also, All those problems with Netscape locking up went away. And overall everything ran much faster. People like Bloatware but a slow Windows Manager will always suck.
There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence.
Corel is porting .Net to Linux. In two to three years the most stable GUI on the planet will be available for Linux.
I find it interesting how people get really weird when the topic deals with their begining (sex) and their end (death). In fact, the top three religions seem to have a large preoccupation with the "BIG TWO": sex and death.
Anyway, Linux has been displaying full frontal nudity for quite some time now, with their naked mascot... the mascot even has his legs spread wide in most pictures.
What are you talking about?
Happy Birthday RPoet.
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Anyway, it's awesomely nice to have a beautiful browser that doesn't crash as much as Netscape or Mozilla. And that is lighter, too.
But I don't know why, some feelings inside me make me still prefer Helix Gnome.
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true it still occurs... i guess what i was trying to say is if it's bad for society or not and same with the video game example.. as long as the viewer knows how to diffrentiate fantasy from reality... or something like that
I believe sex is highly over rated... unless it involves me
Take a look at apt-zip.
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I just downloaded beta2 just this morning.... good thing I haven't had the chance to compile anything, otherwise, I'd be PISSED!!!!
-- "Perceptions create reality. By changing your perceptions you change your reality."
Judgement call. It wasn't moderated yet when I read it. I have read several of these same type posts previously that were "authentic", so I took a gamble on this one.
Anyway, you have to believe somebody sometimes.
- I like pudding.
here
There are update software like that. For example teh Mandrake manreakeUpdate and its rpm manager rpmdrake both fetch the dpendancies needed. It's very automatic, very easy. Just what you're looking for.
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[Science] is one of the very few things that raises human life a little above farce and gives it the grace of tragedy.
So please let people speak for themselves instead of playing the victim and throwing a pitty party.
/. is like that, I'm just saying that I've seen a lot of flames against KDE. Imho KDE hasn't been treated very well here at /. - just look at the amount of stories that are Gnome related versus KDE related. /. is "Gnome-country" and if you use KDE, you suck.
I, of course, don't think that all people on
I'm glad to see that you at least isn't that way - thanks!
and, if you've already installed one of the beta's or rc's you can do rpm -Fvh *
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[Science] is one of the very few things that raises human life a little above farce and gives it the grace of tragedy.
Really? The seperate taskbar was the whole reason I ditched KDE1! Those huge button bars at the bottom must be the most useless things ever invented. They take up screen space and the auto-popup never works correctly. What's I'd really like to see is something along the lines of LnLauncher (a BeOS shortcut program) It stays in the corner of the screen, and it never interferes unles you bring your mouse over a little rectangle in corner. Since mine's on the left, I almost never hit it by accident. (Unlike every other auto-hide menu I've ever used.) Of course, they should have an option for the big-ass buttons, if you're so inclined.
A deep unwavering belief is a sure sign you're missing something...
I know I shouldn't comment on this (AC) post, but oh well...
Have you even tried KDE2.0 or one of the beta versions?
My guess is that you haven't - then how can you say that he is a karma whore? I think he might be right (I'm not saying he is)! KDE2 really is *that* much better than KDE1.x - it is highly modular integrates a lot of new features, "bells and whistles" without being slower than the previous versions!
Disclaimer: I use Helix Gnome right now, but I'm sure going to try out KDE2.
Well, I must say, if this is what they call "final", then there's some mad forces at work. I'd say they've finally reached Beta. Konqueror still has problems with formatting tables, java applets, fonts. There's MANY places where they've ignored the drag and drop paradym. Drag an image from a konquerer to kword, why doesn't it insert the picture? I can't get the "drag an image onto desktop to set background" tip to work. It's a shame that a project had so much potential, but they call "this" finished. Sorry guys, but linux still isn't ready for the desktop.
Pity, 'cause I just wasted my mod. points elsewhere.... hate it when that happens...
if (!signature) { throw std::runtime_error("No sig!"); }
LM 7.2 will include KDE2-final.
KDE is a truly professional piece of work. I expect to see it on all corporate desktops by... tomorrow ! Ok, maybe Friday.
The first tip I got when KDE2 started said:
KDE does not contain any GNU software that is licensed by the Free Software Foundation.
I'm I the only one that thinks, they didn't have to say this??
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"Fighting terrorists with millitary might is like killing a mosquitor on your Dad's forehead with a rifle."
I don't know about you, but I'd rather the 10 or so packages required for a fully functional KDE dekstop (KOffice, network stuff, multimedia etc), as opposed to the plethora of packages required to get the same functionality out of GNOME.
The KDE team have done a wonderful job keeping KDE together. I salute you!
You make me feel sad. Relax.
If this type of contribution is representative of the female slashdot readers I don't want it to be more inviting to them. I'm suprised you weren't marked off topic or flamebait.
If there was some jackass man that wrote some diatribe everytime someone said "dick" or "bastard", they would get marked down as flamebait instantly.
I don't know how long you have been on slashdot, but it is full of insults, interesting comments, stupid jokes, righteous indignation, a shitload of trolls, and badass 13 year old suburban gangsta's. I have been insulted many times here but I don't get upset. This wasn't even directed at you and you're all strung out about it. People are allowed to have different opinions from you. They can hate women, blacks, dogs, kittens, it is not against the law.
Now if you can intellegently point out why they are idiots and knock them down a notch or two with some biting remark, everyone will like to read it, you'll get some karma, and good mojo from the other readers who think your funny.
You need to pick your battles. This one was really pointless.
- I like pudding.
You can use Xinerama (well, thats what I heard from users who used it) but this will take 30% of your CPU..
:(
A better solution will be dual head support for Matrox, but no one done have it yet
Hetz (Heunique)
I saw the announcement for Kivio on freshmeat yesterday, and i eagerly went to download it from their site. Since i use linuxppc, i look for the source or an srpm. Failing to find an srpm i downloaded the tarball thinking it was the source, it wasn't.
I emailed them about the source or a ppc rpm, and they said "the source will be released with our next version in the next couple weeks"
oh well, i dont get to play
cristiana
Funny, I do the same and wonder why there aren't more gays in the world.... :P
-- We should kill all the intolerant people in the world.
Hrm, if the European developers are so equitable, where is the topless man?
"Can of worms? The can is open... the worms are everywhere."
KConfig, the KDE 2 config file cache thing used to read way to many files when starting apps. In general it has been improved quite a bit from older version, but it still has room for improvement. But hey, it's a .0 release.
The KDE 2.0 RPMS from the main site crash in gdm, but I can use stuff like konqueror in Gnome. In fact, I'm using it now and it looks pretty good. It still doesn't do a:hover { text-decoration: underline; } yet - quel horror!
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So, by "topless", you mean "annoying KDE window covering the breasts"? :)
oops, I was a litttle whacked out there. It IS ok, and even apropriate to define -fno-exceptions. khtml correctly overrides this. It probably won't make a difference, but it made me feel better :)
Half that stuff there won't compile though.
Unless you have "redhat" or somthing.
im on a Slack 7 box. I hate the fact
that KDE has a 'fixed prefix' that everything
has to go into. It is really quite annoying.
unlike gnome, or windowmaker that ive been using
for years.
Ignore the Anonymous Pissant trolls !!!
O.K, so they'll be RH6.2 packages, but does anyone know if they'll work on RH6.1 without screwing up kdm etc?
:/
Last time i tried KDE2.0 it nuked KDE1.x and screwed up my X login, so i don't want to mess about with it all again.
Funny, that is the thing that I miss about KDE is the integration of the palm dates into the calender and have it run in the taskbar. I have not found anything similar in Gnome.
I also cannot find good integration into an email app either; just waiting for a stable version of Evolution. Zander
Slashdot Beta should die a painful death.
Does anyone realize that this babe INCLUDES KOffice?! What are you waiting for!
(Please browse at -1 to read this comment.)
Take, for example, resolution and refresh rate. You do realize, don't you, that 90% of home users without at least an intermediate computer knowledge (or a sysadmin) are sitting there running there 19" moniter at 640x480 @60hz.
That's one of my pet peeves. There's some jackass here at work (I don't mean that in a defamatory sense :) that has a 21" monitor running at maybe 800x600. To use outlook and word and project.
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I am a karma whore. I say so in my profile. :-)
Understood. But I think we need to ask what it does to the individual -- particularly his attitude toward women in general. The more one immerses oneself in porn -- the more one's interaction with females becomes interaction with female objects rather than the real thing -- the more one begins to view women as sex objects, and the less one begins to see them as people. In its extreme forms, this leads to a view of women as nothing BUT objects for sexual gratification. The more one is exposed to images of women as willing sexual participants -- e.g., in the form of hard core pornography -- the more one begins to expect this behavior of all women.
Even if the effects are subtle and difficult to quantify, I have to wonder whether pornography provides any redeeming values to society to offset even such subtle losses due to its inherent objectification of women.
Granted, this is an extreme picture, and, in its extreme form, only applies to a small minority of men who tend to be relatively isolated in their cross-gender social relationships. But in its less extreme and more subtle forms, my concern is that this kind of attitude tints (or taints) most men's views of women.
same with the video game example.. as long as the viewer knows how to diffrentiate fantasy from reality
I know this argument is commonly used to justify violence in video games: Yeah it's violent, but most people can separate fantasy from reality.
But let's try modifying the violence just a little and see what we think of the argument.
Instead of killing, slashing and maiming, I propose a game built around sexual violence, specifically forced sexual relations. And -- since teenagers make up such a large portion of the video game market -- I'm going to make the target of our attacks teenage girls.
Yes, what I have is a video game whose object is to force yourself sexually on as many teenage girls as you can. The more 12- and 13-year old girls you rape, the higher your score. And to defend my concept I argue that it's just a game and, after all, most people can separate fantasy from reality.
How far do you think I'd get trying to market such a game? Before I'd so much as proposed the concept to my manager, I'd be lynched by everyone from the Posse Commatatus to the Traditional Values Coalition to the NOW and the Eagle Forum. And deservedly so. It's a vile concept that should never see the light of day, period.
So if we don't accept the "fantasy-from-reality" argument in this case, what makes it legitimate in the case of more "mainstream" forms of violence? I'd argue that violence in and of itself is a repugnant concept -- just as the sexual molestation of children is -- and should not be celebrated or glorified, and which has, or ought not to have, no greater entertainment value than the concept of committing acts of sexual violence against children.
Lee Kai Wen - Taiwan, ROC
I photographed it ;)
ftp://derkarl.org/pub/incoming/kde2_out.jpg
Come and join our release-party on
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i think we seem to be at some agreement that the danger is mostly in certain extreme individuals... i for one watch alot of porn regularly and don't see myself a objectifing women i know on the contrary in my case atleast i find a healty open attitude about sex has had no negative affects in how i view women as people as far a a game that your object is to rape and molest children... i'd just like to say that anything that portrays real children or exposes children to or in sexual sitation i would disagree to... then you open the whole when is a person considered an adult issue which i won't touch... now on the other hand adults dressed up as "school girls" or videos depicting females in simulated rape enviornments do exists and i don't mind their existence as long as children are not involed in any part of it(not that i'd go out and buy them) also when i said the video game example i meant that post where i mentioned carmageddon as an example wher eyou get points for runnning over innocent bystandards... your hypothetical adolecent rape game i would put into the same catagory and worse because i do consider rape a violent crime just like murder or assault
I believe sex is highly over rated... unless it involves me
Yeah, I always wonder about the fact that there are people at all who love men...
;-)
Luckily, my wife does
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"Multiple exclamation marks are a sure sign of a sick mind." (Terry Pratchett)
Actually, I pitty the phool who sits there
posting without an account. How lame.
Ignore the Anonymous Pissant trolls !!!
OH my god, your talking to yourself.
I wonder if your one of those who can
actually carry on a conversation with
yourself!
Ignore the Anonymous Pissant trolls !!!
I don't understand why nobody here seems to recognize Konqueror... Java, Javascript, NS-Plugins, CSS...WOW! To me Konqueror is the best thing happening in Linux Software at the moment. It's simply amazing how well it competes with IE (not to mention Netscape, Mozilla, Opera et al) Try it! [this posted with Konqueror - of course...]
Being that person, I think I can answer that one.
That wallpaper simply happened to be one of the wallpapers I was using at the time I compiled the screenshots. That's basically the whole story.
No need to make a big fuzz about it.. I've seen many software screenshots with models/actresses on it. Gail Porter doesn't seem to mind having pictures taken where some off her clothes tend to fall off, so why should we?
This is just objectification of women.
I doubt she reads Slashdot, but shouldn't it really be up to Miss Porter herself whether she objects her pictures being looked at in/on magazines, sites and wallpapers?
I find it unprofessional to have it on the main KDE site.
I'll take this view under consideration when preparing new screenshots. Chances are I will create some new ones showing off 2.0 Final.
Is it network-transparent?
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Then get Debian. Two commands run as root:
apt-get update
apt-get install task-kde
That downloads and installs all the KDE packages. If you managed to install the OS, you'll be able to do this.
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I'd really love it if someone would post an installation procedure for RH 7. I tried installing it last night and it gave me hell. I downloaded libmng, and then it wanted the new qt-devel and I just quit after it failed to install when I updated qt.
Are you an open source warrior?
i had a look at kvisio there and it looks like a great flowcharting tool, it even looked/felt like visio (wich is still a good product, microsoft hasent wrecked it yet) wich is good, because that what i know, but i am currious, are there any good network diagraming packages out there? for net diagrams visio cant be beat, or can it...
You should have said "Yes! I'll do it," then waited a day, then said "here you are, now where's my vouchers?" :-)
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These people aren't your close buddies and they don't tell you what is appropriate WASP-male terminology, so I would suggest in mixed company you avoid the Archie-Bunkerism and show some respect.
Well that should tell you something about people who belong to a majority that completely mowed-down everyone else with their rules. When the disenfranchised demand control over their own self-image, guess who panics? "They're making rules!"sourceforge sucks - It really pisses me off that people are still using them -they are slow as fuck!
And, simplified, it would be
GNU/LinuxKDE
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Actually, it should be "KDE/Linux". Think division; It's pronounced "KDE over Linux" or "KDE on top of Linux".
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4Dwm
It's got that lightweight characteristic, and the "desktop environment" thingie!
Is it just me, or is does Win2K's vaunted stability totally break down when you do anything network related? I can run 3D Studio, Visual Studio, and Photoshop all at the same time with no problems, but the minute I try to browse my other computer of TCP/IP the bloody thing freezes hard. Funny thing, NT4 never used to have this problem, but Win98 did.
A deep unwavering belief is a sure sign you're missing something...
Gail wouldn't take kindly to such talk. She isn't topless, netpixie is correct.
...She has a top on after all. (PIC 2 from left on top row, Fortunecity filter direct links to images. Click to enlarge.)
3rd pic, seems a tad rude... but whats this
I agree that the top in question is very slight and may get you arrested in the land of the free, but thats beside the point.
Time to grow up and stop gaulking I'm afraid, even your mother had them.
Just wait until you see the picture of her arse (PIC 2 from left, bottom row. Click to enlarge.) the gnome boys have lined up for the login dialog on the next killer release...
0daymeme.com: Great stuff.
Imagine, releasing their 7.0 a week before KDE2 final. He he. You realize what the problem is, don't you? All the desktop users who aren't UNIX gurus (you know, the guys still running the stock kernel) will be using RC1 (or whatever KDE2 Suse comes with) for the rest of their lives. I don't care what all the blowhard UNIX gurus say, KDE is too hard to install. Helix has the right idea with Helix GNOME and its about time that KDE (and the rest of Linux) gets with the program. Believe it or not, Storm and Corel are doing a great thing by mixing the GUI and apt-get, but
A) It still isn't pervasive enough, and
B) It still isn't automatic enough.
Windows Update is a very cool thing for the mass of users. The system takes care of itself, not the user. That's the way it should be.
PS> It's incredible how nearsighted the bulk of the Linux community is. They look at Windows and think, "oh, its ridiculously easy." That's just not true. No computers are yet to the ease of use of every other damn consumer product. Take, for example, resolution and refresh rate. You do realize, don't you, that 90% of home users without at least an intermediate computer knowledge (or a sysadmin) are sitting there running there 19" moniter at 640x480 @60hz. The computer should detect he monitor type, and configure itself. Then you have networking. What the hell is an IP? Your telco's equiptment (assuming DSL) should automatically configure your modem and your computer for you. Think of the present day cars. They do so much behind the scenes so the user doesn't have to bother with it. For example, our car automatically runs the AC fan on a hot day to evaporate the condensed water. Without features like that you end up with thousands of people with corroded radiators.
Sorry for the OT, but I had to vent. Moderate away!
A deep unwavering belief is a sure sign you're missing something...
It's called humor. See that moderation option marked "Funny"? FUCKING USE IT!
A sense of humor is a valuable thing, especially when dealing with geeks. For the love of god, please develop one.
Anybody put out some mirrors for this poor fella ?
Postt ot on slashdot
btw..THIS IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR !!
While checking out the 2.x screenshots I couldn't help but notice that the 3rd one down has a topless woman. I don't have any problems with it, but it does beg the "subliminal message" selling point: "if you like topless women, you'll love KDE!"
http://openprojects.nu/services/irc.html
There are plenty of irc servers on opn. irc.kde.org is one of them. irc.linux.com is another one. Many listed above. Visit #kde and #slashdot. The opn version of #slashdot is better then the slashnet version!
http://www.freebsd.org
First, I'd ask you to find even half a dozen feminists on slashdot.
Second, I ask why you even bother to write stuff like that, much post it with your +1 bonus. Does it contribute to the collective intelligence of slashdot? Does it make this a more inviting community for people already grossly unrepresented in slashdot's readership? Does it actually help anyone? Do you just find some kind of vicarious pleasure in being "politically incorrect", some sense of freedom in having complete unabashed disregard for the impact and consequences of your words on others?
I don't have the energy to be pissed off by people like you. You just make me sad.
-- Anne Marie
I'd try it, but I've only got a POWERstation 350. I don't have all week ;) Besides, sticking to CDE is fine for the casual xterm usage I get out of the machine.
On the otherhand, KDE2 (well the RC, anyways) builds rather cleanly under IRIX. I'm back to 4Dwm now, though, as it's better tweaked for the system. I'm gonna try building Qt and KDE2 with exception handling off now (for performance) that I figured out the MIPSpro compiler flag "-LANG:exceptions=OFF". (as opposed to "-fno-exceptions" or whatever gcc uses)
I just cleared a virus infection on a win 98/nt server network
certain clients were doin the same thing it was a leftover file from
a virus I removed can't remember the virus name but it is new
It was detected in july the file was c:\windows\system\winit.exe
not c:\windows\winit.exe
and a reference in the registry about quasi.hqx(thats not spelled right)
but I don't know a thing about win2k so this might not mean shit
http://Lenny.com
Apple didn't steal anything. They made an agreement with Parc and Xerox received Apple shares in return. Microsoft... now that's another story.
Please tell me you do not really want to see a topless man...
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If you think big enough, you'll never have to do it.
Notice the animated "order products" button inviting us to buy their products?
Happy now?
Windows is a pony built out of spit and glue and it can't even neehaw.
The message on the other side of this sig is false.
Are we talking about the same software here? I've been running KDE 2.0RC2 on an old P-100 laptop with no L2 Cache and 48MB of RAM, where it's performance (for what I do with it, at least) is "adequate". It also runs quite nicely on my old K6-2/350 at home.
Certainly, the older KDE 1.9x beta's of KDE2 were rather slow, but recent builds are much improved.
On a side note, someone mentioned in a previous story that compiling qt-2.2.1 with "-fno-exceptions" improves the speed still further. It seems to work for me, at least.
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I remember someone else saying it would be out sometime before christmas.
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This isn't just the continuation of some flamewar. The FSF believes that it would be a licensing violation for KDE developers to link and GNU-developed software to a QPL'ed version of Qt. They asked that anyone trying to link GPL'ed code with Qt get a special exception in writing from the copyleft holder (this came up with the apt libraries and Corel Linux, for instance). Now that Qt is dual-licensed, it might not be an issue. But the team is just trying to steer clear of legal difficulties, so we shouldn't mix that up with pure flaming.
No matter how much insanely, um, Kooler, the wizard and the dragon are than the Insane Pervert Paperclip... I still experience a sort of post-traumatic stress reaction whenever I see them in some sort of helpful dialog box.
I do not have a signature
I know what you mean.
I can't count the number of fingers I've lost because of my dislike for dry toast.
Maybe if I use my toes...
took about 15 minutes on my RS/6000. Mayve you should become more technically competent.
oh wait... I'm running win2K...
too bad.
Yes, it would be nice if you provided some kind of link or general direction in order to find this applet you speak of. Oh, and if this part of the code is not cleaned up, then why is it being released? :)
_joshua_
Eh lady. If you care so much about the intelligence of this culture, why do you repond to the likes of him (/me goes to read the guy's post)?
I haven't read his post yet, the bit about political incorrectness distracted me. Be sure I will repond after fully reviewing the facts, ma'am.
The message on the other side of this sig is false.
Long winded sentences. Cut it out. I dislike crusades. I'll have to put my support with be-fan though I have to disagree with him on the use of "babe".
I consider the gcc source code a misshapen amorphous difficult to follow incredibly useful wise "babe".
The bit about the italics was a nice try. But I find the small penis bit lame. Too easy, overused, cliched, lame.
The message on the other side of this sig is false.
I didn't use dictionary.com, I used a real dictionary. Thanks for the reference though.
Your obsession with the size of my penis can mean only one thing: penis envy.
Maybe you'll get lucky, and be born male next lifetime...
; -- the corruption of government starts with its secrets. a truly free people keep no secrets. --
I take that back, I dont want a link. I saw a picture of the kasbar in action and it just looked like windowmaker icons! I dont want square icons taking up my space. I want the taskbar seperate, and to have the option greyed out in an official release seems kinda silly.
_joshua_
Where did you get QT 2.2.1 RPMs? They're a dependency for KDE2 on RH7 and I can't find the damned file anywhere. Thanks
Oh give me a break. If the person who put together those screenshots is so concerned about displaying "the human form", why aren't there any pics of some guy with his ass hanging out? In Europe, nudity *is* used in ads - for shampoo, soap, etc. Not for software. This is just objectification of women. I find it unprofessional to have it on the main KDE site.
I agree 110% with sister Anne Marie! How could you so blatantly disregard the female gender in such an objectifying fashion? Have you no shame for your actions? You are a heartless, cold, insensitive, sexist, mindless, sex-obsessed, small-dicked, immature, blah, blah, rant, flame, piss, moan, cry, bitch sorry man who must not have gotten enough attention from his father as a child and now disguises it with woman-bashing. As a fellow femi-nazi who seeks out woman-discrimination in all its awful forms even those that didn't realize they were discriminating, I'm offended by your sexism you small-brained and altogether inferior man! I feel that ALL slashdotters should forevermore respect the fact that woman are people just like anyone else, and they should accomplish this by treating them extra-special and police their thoughts ... or else we will!
You have been warned by the movement of People Undoing Sanity and Sensibility for You (P.U.S.S.Y.)!!
where'd my typewriter go?
Why not make that available for the rest of us newbies? Or is there someone out there who can point us to a 'correctly built' RPM? cheers!
There are 10 kinds of people; those who know ternary, those who don't, and those now hunting for a dictionary.
- qt
- kdebase
- kdelibs
- kdesupport
And a smattering of other packages... then a simple apt-get install task-kdenetwork for internet apps... ta da!--------- The 'gui' in 'penguin' is pronounced K-D-E .
You'd have seen that when Stallman behaves like Stallman he gets villified on Slashdot too so there's no great irony here at all.
Boffoonery - downloadable Comedy Benefit for Bletchley Park
Well, if your compiling kde from scratch I wrote a simple script to compile the whole ball-of-wax and install it for you. Don't email me with problems, but you can find it here
-Brandon_Z
I guess the one big thing that bothers me most about kde 1.x is that the task bar or 'start' bar never seemed to get hidden. It apeared in the top left corner of my desktop and covered my icons. The other thing I was botherd by, but not as much was the fact that the icons did not take to 'random placement'. They were to ordered and inline. GNOME's does not do that nether does windows.
It will be nice though to have 2.0 if they use gtk themes as well, then all the kde and gnome apps can finally start to look like they belong on the same desktop.
My final wish is that the two adopted API's into each other. I.E. a user could write a program in QT/kde libs and then another user could add to it in GTK/GNOME libs. Or call functions from the differnet libs more easily. It would be nice if there were interfaces into QT/kdelibs from gtk/GNOME and visaversa. It may reduce some of the overlap in software.
I don't want a lot, I just want it all!
Flame away, I have a hose!
Only 'flamers' flame!
apt-get install kdebase that's even better than your helixgnome install ;)
Were you using gcc 2.95.*, 2.96 or 2.97 on Alpha? This smells like the bug I've recently fixed where vtable thunks were not reloading $gp on Alpha. This should be fixed e.g. in gcc-2.96-60 rpms in Red Hat rawhide. egcs 1.1.2 and earlier were not using vtable thunks I think (and thus should not segfault). jakub@redhat.com (too lazy to create /. account
right now)
KDE's features are so powerful, slick, and incredibly accessable. I've configured it such for some users that they couldn't tell the difference between KDE2 and the Windows UI (other than the fact that it's look *so* much better!) - which is important because it gives such a seamless transition between Windows and Linux.
KDE's internal model is also great. Unlike those *other* desktop environments, it's written in a language that supports objects directly - rather than using something hacked together. (Sorry for the jab - I love KDE! :-) I foresee it as being incredibly extensible and incredibly powerful for rapid application development (which is really good for commercial applications to take hold on the platform).
If you're using GNOME or haven't switched over from 1.1.2 yet, I *highly* recommend doing so. KDE2 is definitely worth it and a HUGE milestone for Linux on the desktop.
Props and thanks to the KDE2 teams! :-)
The last KDE beta had some weird filesystem traffic going on. My home directory lives on an nfs export on a central fileserver, and kde was trolling through the .kde subdirectory often enough to be generating about 500 nfs packets a second. It's an annoyance rather than a real critical issue, so I haven't bothered to do any more research to see what program is causing it, but I suspect kicker.
Has anyone noticed this behaviour, and does anyone know if it is fixed/reduced in the final version?
Also, the choice to not allow a running program in the root menu is annoying as well. I liked having a scrolly running in my root window telling me what song I was currently playing from my mp3 database. The new kdesktop thing in the betas had a maximum refresh rate of once every five minutes. Not often enough when an average song is 3.5 minutes long.
Be-fan criticized someone's use of "babe", saying it should be reserved for referring to women and not to software. If you disagree with his conception of "babe", then take it up with him, not me.
Your swift, misled, unthinking, and ad-hominem attacks against me, combined with a knee-jerk resort to dictionary.com and the inability to format your italics tags correctly, are consistent with possessing a small penis. In fact, the possibility isn't excluded one bit. Tut tut tut.
-- Anne Marie
Why would you moderate this comment down as flamebait? It's OBVIOUSLY a joke. If you don't find it funny, fine, but why in the hell would you moderate it down as flamebait? Only a complete moron would actually reply to a comment like this and say... Oh I think (GNOME | KDE) is better because of X, Y, or Z.
Please spend more of your moderator points burying this comment so you'll be less able to screw anyone else.
First of all, KDE 2.0 is great, this is what I've been waiting for. According to my 10 minutes experience with Konqueror, it seems to be the best browser for linux ever. Goodbye Netscape! However, I had some problems installing KDE 2.0 over freshly installed RedHat 7.0. It seems that the packages are missing the required library libmng.so.0, and KDE won't start without it! If this is problem also for someone other than me, get it first from rpmfind.net!
Not to be nitpicky, but you don't have to go through a menu under MacOS to switch apps or kill apps.
In MacOS >= 8.5, Open Apple-Tab lets you cycle through or quit all running applications, a la Windows.
For Mac OS 8.5, you can download the extension "Switch-It" to do the same thing.
There's three extra files you need which aren't on any of the mirrors:
/ RPMS/libmng-0.9.2-1.i386.rpm
/ RPMS/qt-2.2.1-4.i386.rpm
/ RPMS/qt-devel-2.2.1-4.i386.rpm
ftp://rpmfind.net/linux/rawhide/1.0/i386/RedHat
ftp://rpmfind.net/linux/rawhide/1.0/i386/RedHat
ftp://rpmfind.net/linux/rawhide/1.0/i386/RedHat
Cheers,
Mike
Well, it seems someone who modded this down is a little insecure in their own sexuality...
Ranessin
Are ANY of the mirrors going to be accessable, or updated? What's the purpose or mirrors if they don't work? Also if mirrors DONT work, how about updading the www.kde.org/mirror.html page? Sept 15? common you just released version 2!!!
"I do not go believe comes out therefrom that I will concentrate on always more special zones."
"I do not go believe comes out therefrom that I will concentrate on always more special zones."
--Linus To
...flowcharting tool for Linux/KDE),
Thats GNU/Linux/KDE i think you'll find!
Oh, when will the acronyms end!
Anyone ever notice that if you started doing the "GNU/Linux" type thing with KDE it would end up sounding something like "Nuked"?
Seriously, this is a good thing for those of us who are still using GUI's (yeah, yeah yeah, I plan on upgrading to nothing but BASH... someday.)
I am greatly looking forward to having the task list integrated with the bottom panel (a feature that I have always wanted with KDE.)
Anyway. I'm ready to upgrade (in a few weeks when I have the time and the mirrors cool down.)
As root, edit the file /etc/sysconfig/desktop to read KDE instead of GNOME, to use KDM.
Then reboot [or init 3 then init 5] for the change to take effect
I used KDE 1 for along time, it was fast, stable and easy to use. But KDE 2 took out one of my favorite features, the taskbar being separate from the launch bar. It was in the early betas, and even had a configuration option for it even after they removed it. I loved that part of kde, but its gone now. I moved to gnome awhile ago, to see if I could get my separate taskbar. I got it there but stayed because of the nice intergration of the palm pilot. That being said, KDE is a nice environment, and kudos for them for releasing it.
"My head hurts, My feet stink, and I dont love Jesus." -Jimmy Buffett
As far as I can tell, the gold version was produced about a week ago.
Now there can be a stable competition with the other main guis...like Gnome and windowmaker...I know that a major reason gnome has been more popular is because of the amount of time people have had to wait for KDE 2...
How Jaded Are You?
http://www.kde.org/announceme nts /announce-2.0.html
(Please browse at -1 to read this comment.)
In all honesty and objectivity as an artist wanna be... i look at a naked woman and a naked man and seriously wonder why there aren't more lesbians in this world....
I believe sex is highly over rated... unless it involves me
I dunno about fixed rpms, but just to brag a little ... debian fixed this bug in qt2.2 at least 2 weeks ago(in woody).
objectivication of women? if the woman in question does not mind being objectified.. or even likes it.. is it wrong? i find games like "carmageddon" more disturbing than a tiny screen shot of a topless woman. and even that is not too bad as long as people can seperate fantasy from reality(hmm... wait.. er.. yeah)
I believe sex is highly over rated... unless it involves me
first, I CVS co'd off the KDE_2_0_BRANCH. Check out qt-copy,kdesupport,kdelibs, and kdebase at a minimum. Do try out other packages, though...
In qt-copy, edit the /configs/your-architecture file to include the -fno-exceptions option in teh CXXFLAGS variable. Optionally, change the compiler to pg++/pgcc if you have them. If you're feeling lucky, kick the -O2 up to -O3 or even -O6. Then define -mpentiumpro (for portable objects) or -march=pentiumpro (for Pentiumpro+ only objects). Then configure and build the sucker.
Before building kde, define in the shell:
CXXFLAGS="-fno-exceptions [-O6][-march=pentiumpro | -mpentiumpro]"
and
CXX=pg++
CC=pgcc
if you have them. Do NOT define -fno-exceptions, as this may jack up khtml, and each module already correctly determines it's prefrence on this option. Then build as per normal instructions.
This gave me a %100 startup speed improvement (mostly due to turning of exceptions where not needed). It also gave me a noticable runtime speed boost and improved app 'feel'.
Major distro packagers, if you're out there, PLEASE DO THIS! It's unfair to give KDE a reputation for slowness just because you chose to use poor compiler options!
Our release manager matthias just announced that every visitor can download a free copy of KDE2.
If somebody out there does not know what to do for the next two weeks, I suggest he tries to compile KDE 2.0 on AIX... I'll send him Pizza vouchers if he succeeds!
I'll add my greetings as well. Happy Birthday! Enjoy KDE 2! :)
You appear to have a weird definition of "not topless"... background control module, the third photo. Huh? Huh...
Obviously written by somebody in the Western Hemisphere, where we have a weird obsession/denial thing going when it comes to the human form. Remember that most of the KDE team is in Europe, a region that seems to have misplaced that particular cultural artifact. Lucky them.
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I cant speak to how well or stable KDE will be for long term use -- but I cant stand the feel of it.
KDE violates most of the Human Interface Guidlines for good GUI design (which, of course, were written by Apple -- after years of painstaking study).
The icons are too slippery, the fonts look awful and are too small, the toolbar is idiotic. The window sliders have a mind of their own. Might as well be pulling the shortcut keys out of a hat -- they're that random. Dialog boxes are not straightforward and appear at seemingly random positions on the screen, unrelated to the parent app. Window sizing is not consistent. Overall, even within the KDE project, the behavior and appearance of apps isnt even consistent...much less with other non-KDE apps.
Awful, awful GUI. But better than nothing, I suppose. No one who's used a Macintosh for any length of time could stand it though.
I mean, gee whiz...my Grandma just wants to write an e-mail! Why do you have to make things a million times harder than they need to be!
Happy Birthday to you and to your new desktop!
I just downloaded all the packages into one directory and...
Anyway for RedHat and derivitaves try
rpm -Uvh q*
rpm -Uvh k*
And for Slackware, after I aliened the rpms for the release Candidate 2 packages
upgradepkg *.tgz
Couldn't be simpler. Please note that the rpm command will upgrade existing KDE packages. Please consult your documentation (man rpm) for further details.
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I'm writing this on Mandrake 7.2beta - its sweet. XFree86 4.0.1, KDE 2, Gnome 1.2
All of it is working now why wait for the end of the month when all the mirrors are hammered. Get it now and update to stable after things quiet down.
linux0.cs.uaf.edu
All generalizations are false, including this one. Mark Twain
Find it at ftp://metaverse.wuh.wustl.edu
Enjoy...
KDE 2 Might have been released later than they said look at the 2.4 kernel and other projects.
Theres more than one component in a distribution do you wait for the new gnome, the new apache, the new mozilla...
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For a desktop, Apache is one thing, the main DE is another. If you're going to release a desktop OS, wait for the latest XFree, the latest kernel, and the latest DE. If you're releasing a server, use a mature kernel, and wait for a couple of point releases of Apache.
Regards the making computers easy to use, yes its true windows isn't easy it has GUIs for everything but you still need to know what to but in the each
configuration box. BUT, there is a big difference between the computer and the car, the car does one thing, no latest feature upgrades and so on.
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No there is not. That's the kind of thinking that gets you in trouble. Who says computers have to do many different things? Most people use their computers for one set of tasks anyway, right? The computer should mold itself to fit those tasks. Its high talk, but I'm not looking for YADE (Yet Another DE) here, I'm looking for a user-interface revolution.
The car is
much simpler. The car is one kind of hardware, the computer can have thousands of different options for hardware, just look at all the video cards, sound
cards, network cards, and so on.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Ummm, last time I checked, there are more types of tires than graphics cards. Cars are made up of thousands of different, interchangable parts. Sure computer parts aren't interchangable, but maybe they SHOULD be?
We need to move towards the target you talk about and this is getting there for most software people use.
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Uh, no. Sorry. But you still get the consolation prize. Take, for example, CD burning. On a dedicated copier, you plug in a disc, and hit copy. Then take a look at Adaptec's software. You've got dozens of different options. Multi-mode, Disc at once, image types, speed, etc. That is simply unacceptable for consumer level software. To make a disc, all I should have to do is put in a CD, and drag files into it (which DirectCD does, but it adds it's own set of problems) Some software makers do the Beginner/Advanced interface scheme. Wrong again. The software should grow as the user grows. Its a dumb idea to hem an intermedia user into a beginner interface, or drop them into an advanced one.
A deep unwavering belief is a sure sign you're missing something...
Two years I've waited for KDE 2.0. And when it's finally released, it happens to be my birthday as well :) Wohooo! :)
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"Oppression and harassment is a small price to pay to live in the land of the free." -- Montgomery Burns.
Does anyone know of a install that can do the whole thing in one swoop like Gnome had? I haven't seen one.
Or at least, that's the impression I get. The beta RPMs that bero@redhat.com was putting together were set up to install alongside KDE 1, but I gather the attitude for the release candidates and final is "why would you want to have both installed at the same time?"
That's not a horrible policy, I guess, but it seems unnecessary. One of the things I always liked about Linux was the ability to have, say, libc5 and glibc, or ncurses 3,4, and 5, all installed at the same time to support old binaries.
Alright, perhaps that was a little offtopic, but when you see all this great stuff, and can't use it because of $%#$^@ 32-bit only users, it makes you a little mad.
Will they release a new GNUDE-desktop environment?
Not without flaw, but the second best around - the best being NeXT. The irony is that, in going to the NeXT derived OS 10, Apple has chosen to saddle their users with the abomination known as Aqua, a hideous GUI no better than what MS offers, and far inferior to the prior MAC guis, let alone NeXT.
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Friends don't let friends enable ecmascript.
KDE could get around this if they'd build a version on Qt Embedded instead of Qt for X. Qt Embedded has everything that windows has and X lacks: no context-switching sluggishness, anti-aliased fonts, etc.
couldn't agree more!
I really like this desktop system. Very Very Nice. These guys also understand programmers and end users the way gnu gnever will... Coolness.
no kidding!--I just spent the last 3 or 4 days trying to get rc2 to compile...cause their installation crap doesn't look in $QTDIR for qt--instead, it just looks in /usr/lib--took me forever to figure out I needed to delete the old stuff
Slackware: old school feel, new school gear.
A "man of experience" wouldn't be asking computer geeks for sex advice.
And if you don't know where your scrotum has been lately you have more problems than anyone could possibly answer.
The apps link should be http://www.kde.org/current.html instead of
http://apps.kde.com
Mario.
Thats Gail Porter, a diminutive and curvey Scottish women and former childrens saturday morning tv presenter whos ass was projected onto the English Houses of Parliament by a well known mens magazine. (most of the mens/lads mag's have American counterparts and im sure google can find "Gail Porter"if you want to look it).
:) )
I recognise those photos, and she is in fact wearing clothes, albeit rather skimpy tranparent ones. (You have to look really closely, be careful you dont go blind
I know that Linux Mandrake 7.2 is supposed to be released shortly. Will it include KDE2 or will it have one of the earlier versions ? I would prefer waiting a week or two or even a month longer for Mandrake 7.2 if it has KDE2 properly integrated into the distribution.
Sometimes yes - but there should be an option for speed where that transparency is lost.
Objectification occurs regardless of the consent of the woman in question. Even if she agrees to the uses made of her image, it's still objectification. The issue is less the consent of the woman, and more the attitude in the mind of the viewer.
This is where any ethical discussion of objectification should start.
Lee Kai Wen - Taiwan, ROC
before it was slashdotted, there's are rarity. After playing with the 1.93 RPMs from the Red Hat 7 previews, I am pretty excited. Although I did think it ate a little too much memory? But no worse than Helix Code.
To fail is human, to blue screen MS!