Of perhaps they're motivation is to thwart some crime. Why is it hard to believe that Gold-Age might be committing a crime? Why not wait at least till charges are brought before judging the actions of the Secret Service? Remember, the article only told one side of the story.
If every child in this situation that the media has covered has complained, often endlessly, about bullying and harassment, it doesn't take a genius to see the strong connection. So why can't you see it?
The same argument could be made about video games, though. If they all played video games, according to your logic, that must be the cause. Sorry, but I can't continue to debate with someone whose logic is so flawed.
what do you say is the likely cause when someone seeks, in their own word, vengance against the bullies... tv perhaps? Maybe NAFTA? Or, perhaps, bullies and harassment?
Or perhaps something else entirely. Do you know even one thing about psychology?
Bullies know the effects they can have, they see the news too. If they bully someone, they deserve everything they get. My only regret is that kids wait so long to retaliate that they end up taking out bystanders. A little bully killing isn't necessarily a bad thing; the bully intends to hurt you as much as possible...
Great, an eye for an eye. So much for being civilized. Killing is always a bad thing and I feel bad for you that you're too ignorant to realize that.
Don't you think there might be psychological problem that's a bigger cause? If they think the proper way of handling the situation is to open fire on people, I'd certainly argue that there's something not quite right with that person mentally.
It is completely relevent. And you have yet to show any proof that they are symptoms of the same problem, despite the overwhelming statistics showing that they aren't.
You're not listening... I'm not saying that they aren't related. I'm saying that you're narrow line isn't so narrow. People who commit suicide do not, necessarily, stop knowing right from wrong. Besides, if you look at the figures (which you obviously haven't), you'll see that only a very miniscule percentage of people who commit suicide decide to take others out with them. Just because you would take out your tormentors doesn't mean others would.
ALL of the shooters in the recent school "massacres" complained of being harassed at school. ALL teen suicides complain of ostracism and harassment at school. How is it that you do not see that there must be a common denominator here?
Of course there's a common denominator. I never said there wasn't. However, being ostracized and harassed does not turn one into a killer. Nor does it turn one suicidal. Witness the thousands, millions even, of kids who were/are osctracised and harassed but didn't turn into killers or kill themselves? How is it that you don't see something else at work? Yes, perhaps the harassment played a role in sparking the incident, but it wasn't the harassment that allowed them to abandon right and wrong, give into their urges, and plan the horredous acts they committed.
But if they're suicidal because of constant humiliation, physical violence, taunting, and general bullying, I think it's fairly likely for them to try to hurt the attacker. If the
attacker is making them feel they're ready to die, they'll probably be ready to kill.
Again, baseless assumptions. Study the figures and you'll see that's not true.
I was bullied in HS. I was depressed in HS. Hell, I was physically attacked in HS. Thousands of others were as well. We didn't turn into homicidal killers.
--I'm no BeOS zealot, I use Linux for most of my work and Triple Boot into BeOS for a few things.
Sorry, I certainly didn't mean to imply you were. But there are some out there in the world:-)
Linux is Okay for multimedia stuff but I've had a much better time under BeOS and a better time under Windows with Multimedia....
And I still have to disagree, particularly with the examples I've given. Now, Linux may be more of a PIA to get configured and running properly, but after that point I don't see any distinct advantages to BeOS.
I really don't see the need to bend Linux (or any OS for that matter) into things it was never meant to be... Linux was never meant to be easy to use or for multimedia.
Linux wasn't designed from the ground up for anything. That doesn't mean that it's not capable of doing anything.
BeOS was designed from the ground up for multimedia. It was a great design. It was poorly implemented. BeOS has a buggy MediaKit. There is no denying that fact (in fact, Be Inc. doesn't deny that fact). A great Media design does not make BeOS a great Media OS.
I never said it was perfect (though I've never had any problems with Media under BeOS....) If you give anything a 4GB.Mpg it'll choke. Heck Windows Blue Screens (big suprise) when I try to open anything remotley big....
To play back even a 60 meg mpeg file under BeOS, I needed to download smpeg from BeBits.
Anyway if you can find any OS better for Multimedia than BeOS I'll use it in a heartbeat, but it'll have to be pretty darn good to even get close to the Awsomeness of BeOS....
There's nothing I can do with multimedia under Beos that I can't do under Linux (usually easier): play back 5 mp3s at the same time (I stopped counting after 5), play back all the same video types (mpg, and various avi and quicktime codecs, real, etc.), record video clips off my WinTV card, edit video and audio tracks, stream live video (which I can't do at all under BeOS), etc...
Alot of BeOS zealots shout and scream about how BeOS was built from the ground up to handle Media, and how it has a great architecture for it. Linux just goes to show that you don't have to be built from the ground up for multimedia to be able to handle multimedia properly.
And that's a load of crap. Take a look at the percentage of people who commit suicide. Now take a look at the number of people who commit murder. Finally, take a look at the number of people who commit murder and commit suicide.
There's nothing to back up your baseless assumption.
Sure... It rocks till you try to play back a large mpeg (which MediaPlayer will take forever to open and then stutter on).
It rocks till you try to record and export video using any of the codecs built into the MediaKit. Then you end up with clips that have audio/video sync problems and, using some combinations of codecs, clips that don't play back under any OS but BeOS.
If that's your definition of "rocks on multimedia," fine. I have higher standards.
However, Katz starts out talking about kids turning other kids into killers. Instead of giving any substantiation to that claim, he goes on to give examples of kids committing suicide. The only common thread between kids killing other kids, and kids committing suicide, is the taunting and teasing. That's hardly a strong connection.
This is really a case where Mr. Katz is preaching to the converted (again).
I take serious disagreement with this statement. I'd like to think that the Slashdot community isn't naive enough to buy this tripe Katz crap.
First he claims that kids are turning other kids into killers. What's his proof? Stats showing suicide rates. What's up with that? Being suicidal does not make one a homicidal maniac!
Yeah, yeah. We all had rough teenage years. We all got picked on for being geeks, nerds, dorks, band fags, etc. We didn't all turn into killers, now did we? There's something else going on here. Something far beyond Katz' simple understanding; Far beyond what can be discovered explained in an 11 paragraph essay (if you can call it that).
1. To strive to equal or excel, especially through imitation: an older pupil whose accomplishments and style I emulated.
2. To compete with successfully; approach or attain equality with. See Synonyms at rival.
3. Computer Science. To imitate the function of (another system), as by modifications to hardware or software that allow the imitating system to accept the same data, execute the same programs, and achieve the same results as the imitated system.
cdrecord and mkisofs were both installed out of the box... And something tells me that there are linux distro's out there that install Videolan out of the box.
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It wouldn't be modded down if it asked "Should I use Linux instead of Windows for a NAT server"
It should be... And since that isn't what was asked, how the Hell do you know if it would or wouldn't have been modded down?
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Or perhaps Gold-Age really is doing something illegal. We've only heard their side of the story.
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Of perhaps they're motivation is to thwart some crime. Why is it hard to believe that Gold-Age might be committing a crime? Why not wait at least till charges are brought before judging the actions of the Secret Service? Remember, the article only told one side of the story.
Ranessin
If every child in this situation that the media has covered has complained, often endlessly, about bullying and harassment, it doesn't take a genius to see the strong connection. So why can't you see it?
The same argument could be made about video games, though. If they all played video games, according to your logic, that must be the cause. Sorry, but I can't continue to debate with someone whose logic is so flawed.
Ranessin
what do you say is the likely cause when someone seeks, in their own word, vengance against the bullies... tv perhaps? Maybe NAFTA? Or, perhaps, bullies and harassment?
Or perhaps something else entirely. Do you know even one thing about psychology?
Bullies know the effects they can have, they see the news too. If they bully someone, they deserve everything they get. My only regret is that kids wait so long to retaliate that they end up taking out bystanders. A little bully killing isn't necessarily a bad thing; the bully intends to hurt you as much as possible...
Great, an eye for an eye. So much for being civilized. Killing is always a bad thing and I feel bad for you that you're too ignorant to realize that.
Ranessin
Don't you think there might be psychological problem that's a bigger cause? If they think the proper way of handling the situation is to open fire on people, I'd certainly argue that there's something not quite right with that person mentally.
Ranessin
It is completely relevent. And you have yet to show any proof that they are symptoms of the same problem, despite the overwhelming statistics showing that they aren't.
Ranessin
Despite the fact that you're comparing apples to oranges... I even admit that the harassment played a role.
However, it's obviously not the primary cause or millions of kids would be doing it.
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You're not listening... I'm not saying that they aren't related. I'm saying that you're narrow line isn't so narrow. People who commit suicide do not, necessarily, stop knowing right from wrong. Besides, if you look at the figures (which you obviously haven't), you'll see that only a very miniscule percentage of people who commit suicide decide to take others out with them. Just because you would take out your tormentors doesn't mean others would.
Ranessin
ALL of the shooters in the recent school "massacres" complained of being harassed at school. ALL teen suicides complain of ostracism and harassment at school. How is it that you do not see that there must be a common denominator here?
Of course there's a common denominator. I never said there wasn't. However, being ostracized and harassed does not turn one into a killer. Nor does it turn one suicidal. Witness the thousands, millions even, of kids who were/are osctracised and harassed but didn't turn into killers or kill themselves? How is it that you don't see something else at work? Yes, perhaps the harassment played a role in sparking the incident, but it wasn't the harassment that allowed them to abandon right and wrong, give into their urges, and plan the horredous acts they committed.
Ranessin
But if they're suicidal because of constant humiliation, physical violence, taunting, and general bullying, I think it's fairly likely for them to try to hurt the attacker. If the attacker is making them feel they're ready to die, they'll probably be ready to kill.
Again, baseless assumptions. Study the figures and you'll see that's not true.
I was bullied in HS. I was depressed in HS. Hell, I was physically attacked in HS. Thousands of others were as well. We didn't turn into homicidal killers.
Ranessin
--I'm no BeOS zealot, I use Linux for most of my work and Triple Boot into BeOS for a few things.
:-)
Sorry, I certainly didn't mean to imply you were. But there are some out there in the world
Linux is Okay for multimedia stuff but I've had a much better time under BeOS and a better time under Windows with Multimedia....
And I still have to disagree, particularly with the examples I've given. Now, Linux may be more of a PIA to get configured and running properly, but after that point I don't see any distinct advantages to BeOS.
I really don't see the need to bend Linux (or any OS for that matter) into things it was never meant to be... Linux was never meant to be easy to use or for multimedia.
Linux wasn't designed from the ground up for anything. That doesn't mean that it's not capable of doing anything.
BeOS was designed from the ground up for multimedia. It was a great design. It was poorly implemented. BeOS has a buggy MediaKit. There is no denying that fact (in fact, Be Inc. doesn't deny that fact). A great Media design does not make BeOS a great Media OS.
Ranessin
I never said it was perfect (though I've never had any problems with Media under BeOS....) If you give anything a 4GB .Mpg it'll choke. Heck Windows Blue Screens (big suprise) when I try to open anything remotley big....
To play back even a 60 meg mpeg file under BeOS, I needed to download smpeg from BeBits.
Anyway if you can find any OS better for Multimedia than BeOS I'll use it in a heartbeat, but it'll have to be pretty darn good to even get close to the Awsomeness of BeOS....
There's nothing I can do with multimedia under Beos that I can't do under Linux (usually easier): play back 5 mp3s at the same time (I stopped counting after 5), play back all the same video types (mpg, and various avi and quicktime codecs, real, etc.), record video clips off my WinTV card, edit video and audio tracks, stream live video (which I can't do at all under BeOS), etc...
Alot of BeOS zealots shout and scream about how BeOS was built from the ground up to handle Media, and how it has a great architecture for it. Linux just goes to show that you don't have to be built from the ground up for multimedia to be able to handle multimedia properly.
Ranessin
And that's a load of crap. Take a look at the percentage of people who commit suicide. Now take a look at the number of people who commit murder. Finally, take a look at the number of people who commit murder and commit suicide.
There's nothing to back up your baseless assumption.
Ranessin
Sure... It rocks till you try to play back a large mpeg (which MediaPlayer will take forever to open and then stutter on).
It rocks till you try to record and export video using any of the codecs built into the MediaKit. Then you end up with clips that have audio/video sync problems and, using some combinations of codecs, clips that don't play back under any OS but BeOS.
If that's your definition of "rocks on multimedia," fine. I have higher standards.
Now Broadcast 2000 Rocks.
Ranessin
However, Katz starts out talking about kids turning other kids into killers. Instead of giving any substantiation to that claim, he goes on to give examples of kids committing suicide. The only common thread between kids killing other kids, and kids committing suicide, is the taunting and teasing. That's hardly a strong connection.
Ranessin
This is really a case where Mr. Katz is preaching to the converted (again).
I take serious disagreement with this statement. I'd like to think that the Slashdot community isn't naive enough to buy this tripe Katz crap.
First he claims that kids are turning other kids into killers. What's his proof? Stats showing suicide rates. What's up with that? Being suicidal does not make one a homicidal maniac!
Yeah, yeah. We all had rough teenage years. We all got picked on for being geeks, nerds, dorks, band fags, etc. We didn't all turn into killers, now did we? There's something else going on here. Something far beyond Katz' simple understanding; Far beyond what can be discovered explained in an 11 paragraph essay (if you can call it that).
Ranessin
Very strictly, yes.
Very correctly, yes.
Besides, as the title says, "Wine Is Not Emulation".
I believe that's "Wine Is Not an Emulator". In either case, it's wrong.
Ranessin
Emulate:
1. To strive to equal or excel, especially through imitation: an older pupil whose accomplishments and style I emulated.
2. To compete with successfully; approach or attain equality with. See Synonyms at rival.
3. Computer Science. To imitate the function of (another system), as by modifications to hardware or software that allow the imitating system to accept the same data, execute the same programs, and achieve the same results as the imitated system.
WINE sure sounds like emulation to me.
Ranessin
cdrecord and mkisofs were both installed out of the box... And something tells me that there are linux distro's out there that install Videolan out of the box.
Ranessin
It wouldn't be modded down if it asked "Should I use Linux instead of Windows for a NAT server"
It should be... And since that isn't what was asked, how the Hell do you know if it would or wouldn't have been modded down?
Ranessin
It's called The Direct Rendering Infrastructure.
http://dri.sourceforge.net
Ranessin
Why would anyone want to watch that? Now two men... That'd be interesting.
Ranessin
And what happens if it doesn't work with the next release?
Then you either wait for nVidia to update their drivers or you go back to the open source XFree drivers.
Ranessin
Not according to the release notes for XFree86 4.0.*. All nVidia cards (including the GeForce3) are supported under XFree86 4.0.3.
Ranessin
So If U want 3d support with 4.0.2, or 4.0.3. heh. Too bad.
Or you can go to nVidia's site and download their drivers which do work with 4.0.2 and 4.0.3.
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